How To Make Ethanol Free Gas - Pro Twin Performance - Kevin Baxter
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- Learn how to make ethanol free gas, how to test fuel for ethanol content, and about ethanol additives.
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When water and ethanol are added the resulting volume is less than the sum of the two volumes because of a change in the hydrogen bonding. So using graduated cylinders to measure the volume of ethanol extracted will show less than the actual amount.
No homework assignment tonight Mr. Baxter? Sweet! I love chemistry class 🔥 🥽
Lol. Not tonight sir. Lol
This is the best explanation I've come across. Thank you!
Very scientific and methodical, thank you so much, Kevin ! It answered a number of questions I still had after watching on-topic videos on other channels. Appreciation and greetings from Banks County, Georgia !
love the knowledge bomb ! ! ! I'm so glad I found your channel . . I will be visiting your video library and get an education like the ethanol vid i just watched . Can't wait to grab some retro shirts as well as pick your brain for parts needed for my 08 Anniversary Twin cam
Great Tip!
So I learnt something New again! 👍 Great Videos Mr. Baxter!
Awesome, thank you!
i learn something every time i watch your channel
Thank you sir
Excellent video! Crystal clear explanation and teaching. 🚙
Great demonstration! Thank you man. 😎
Very cool video Kevin sucks we even have to deal with this issue. Pretty much damned if we do or don’t. How the hell did we let all this crap happen?
what if you used the water to take out the ethanol then used a Mr Funnel that separates water from fuel? Would the ethanol stay with the water and the ethanol free gas pass throug the filter? If so that would be a great way to separate the ethanol free gas from the ethanol and water without siphoning off fuel etc. Please advise
Thanks for this information, Kevin. While traveling I ended fueling with either non ethanol or low ethanol gas at on fill-up in South Carolina....my bike ran way better on that fill-up, even though my bike is fuel injected.
not surprised at all. thanks!
Great explanation and easy to follow!
Glad you liked it thank you.
Hey Kevin, been doing this for about 3 years the I add the AMSOIL octane booster. Keep em’ coming! Love the videos!
Excellent. Thank you sir.
I realize this is an old thread but what or how do you decant the mixture to keep from mixing them again? Siphon?
Extremely informative information!!
Glad you liked it. Thank you sir!
Learn something new every day!
Glad you did Jim. Thank you.
Hi Keven, believe that the 12% ethanol you reported is likely to be 10% ethanol and an additional 2% water contamination. Therefore, your fuel sample already had water in it. Ethanol ships by rail and has a water content of about .32% and thru transfers and underground storage, it’s easy to see it climbing to 2% water contamination at the fuel pump.
Good point. However, wouldn't he have seen that 2% on the bottom of the cylinder?
Mike is referring to the fact that its possible 2% of that water could have been held in suspension in the fuel by the ethanol...by adding additional water, it was enough to pull the 2% suspended content from the emulsion. In either case...it further demonstrates the point. It's possible fuel can be contaminated by water held in suspension by ethanol which of course, is an issue in itself. As long as the water absorbed by the ethanol doesnt exceed its ability to remain in suspension, you cant tell it's contaminated. Only at which time the water content exceeds that ability, does it separate...which doesnt take much.
Great info thank you for the video
Glad it was helpful!
Been doing this for years , [ lawn mowers ] Carbs stay clean , no water damage , often start first pull after long winter . I like what you said ' open petcock , carb gets water first '
Motorcycle Gas Tanks are bare steel inside, many curves and welds . How about a video on mixing up special storage fuel ?
I am not worried about my lawn mowers so much. It is my generator and chainsaw since they get infrequent use so the likelihood of them collecting water is more and causing corrosion and gumming problems.
Great video. Thanks
Thank you sir
Here in my town I'm lucky we have 3 stations that has 90 octane non ethanol fuel and the next town over the sunoco station has 110 at the pump
Kevin love your video and I’m going to try to make this myself for my small engines. My question is after the ethanol and non ethanol gas is fully separated could I slowly pour the gas into a mr funnel because they take the water out of the fuel and they do work because I tried putting water in them and nothing came out. Or will that just mix the ethanol with the gas again??
thank you for info.
You're welcome
I have always brought ethanol free petrol for my 2007, but gone thru 7 pumps that had rusted up. I am aware that the gas stations are getting mixed gas in my area, it been a problem here in Australia, the last pump, the tank was nearly full and I couldn't work out why, now I know. my problem is I don't get the opportunity to ride it as often as needed , thank you for explaining it clearly.
Can you put a flexible plastic tube down into the corners of your tank and siphon- vacuum out the water?
I think I’m right, Stabil alone is not enough to stop phase separation. Still need to add something to protect against phase separation.
One extra point, check your local dollar store for food coloring. Add a few drops with the water and it makes it much easier to see the demarcation line and helps when seperating.
great idea.
Shell mid-grade 89 octane gas top tier Fuel and it's totally ethanol-free for anybody who wants to know thanks for the video Kevin you always have good content be good my brother
I heard there are only two tanks in the ground at the gas station. Lowest octane and the high octane stuff. Mid grade is just half of each. If the low grade is E10, then don't understand how the mid grade does not have ethanol in it.
@@chetmyers7041 you are correct sir,,,coming from somebody who did tank maintenance at many stations.
I have done the same thing when ethanol-free fuel wasn't available, but due to the cloudy water layer after settling I'm pretty sure you're losing some water-soluble additives as well as the ethanol. Best to start with the highest octane available ! FWIW avgas (LL100) runs terrible in my small gasoline engines, plus it's a lot more expensive. Get E-zero if at all possible !
Good points.
Thanks!
Then the right proportion of the saturated ethanol may have a positive effect similar to the "water injection" technology?
Great video bro,been separating gas for years for storage, Casey's gas stations moved in to our area(Cincinnati) they have 90 or 91 octane ethanol free gas,no more separating, lol
Have a good one
That is awesome! Thanks for following along.
Just changed them all out as of Sept 2020.. no mo
You might want to test the non-ethanol. Some places are showing up to 5% in the non-ethanol pumps.
Why would you senate for storage why not just drain the tank?
What about the running ethanal free 91 gas in a 88” built Evo? Recommend over the standard 93 pump gas?
We have a Casey’s here which carries such?
Thank you
How do you test the octane?
Should octane booster be added after removing the ethanol?
For less hassle, it's best to get the mid-grade or premium fuel to compensate the octane drop.
If you live where you can not get ethanol free fuel (California), go to your local airport and ask to fill up your can with "100LL" (low lead) gasoline which is ethanol free.
Pure friggin' genius.
Used to use a similar trick with the parts washer at one of the transmission shops I used to work.
That’s why the bottom of your steel gas tank rusts
That means you don't ride enough . . . .
you're my hero, I'll stay out of GA. lol, does it work in reverse in a hot dry climate, say the desert-so.-cal.or Arizona.
I had a 96 Ducati 900ss with the sight glass for a dip stick, you look through and see your oil level in the middle, it was all foggy, like moisture and wouldnt go away even after riding around 200 miles. I think it was two pieces of glass and .moisture stuck in between but i really dont know, Long story short, i rode around Lake Superior over 2000 miles and the sight glass was crystal clear. Im assuming your gas tank is a similar type thing, get out on the highway and run a few tanks right through it, maybe one road trip a year at least. Good video
yes. condensation will build in a crankcase. thats why engines should only be started if the intent is to run them to operating temp over time to evaporate all the moisture.
What do you do with the water you remove from the gas?
After the ethanol is removed how do you bring the octane rating back up?
Does doing this method make the gas safe for motorbikes , I've read that it's not meant to be used in motorbikes as it can create end knock on high compression engines because even tho we've taken out the ethanol it also takes some important parts too the motorbikes need, what's your thoughts on this and is it just for lawnmower and chainsaws etc
man good explanation. i noticed though the ethanol free gas her in florida is mostly i think 89 octane. i wonder how important is it to run 93.
thanks. depends on the tune....if it doesnt ping on 89, you should be able to run it safely.
interesting indeed , I think the loss of a few octane points is worth getting rid of the water .. gonna try it and see ...
Let us know how that works out. Agitate the tank well and Let the fuel sit overnight so all the water comes out of suspension. You'll notice the fuel will be clear when youre good to go.
Ethanol also will degrade the plastic fuel components in small engines like weed eaters , chainsaws, etc. this degradation will eventually necessitate replacement of those items such as fuel lines and primer bulbs.
What is your thoughts on adding octane booster after the separation of ethanol to the fuel. Thanks for any info. Great video
Not a bad idea if necessary. Most boosters will leave deposits behind on plugs, O2 sensors, etc.
@@KevinBaxter oh ok thanks, yeah here in LI newYork there’s no ethanol free fuel so making your own is the only cheap solution. But only really need it for small engines ( lawn mowers, weed wicker’s,etc..). So if due to the lose of octane from this process and adding some octane booster only effects the spark plug I’d rather have to change a spark plug then an ethanol’d up carburetor. 🙂
As always well done, still can’t get my baby going.
Hi from Australia, was their ever a follow up regarding the Twin Cam 117 build and how it performed etc. What would a build like that cost and could you apply it to a long range Bagger/Cruiser. Love your channel and l constantly recommend you to friends and fellow riders. T.I.A. Andrew from Adelaide, South Australia.
how do you raise octane, now that the octane is 88?
I run 87 non ethanol and add octane booster as per recommended
remember one thing when you remove the alcohol you lower the octane several points.
OK you remove the ethanol from the gasoline. Now how do you dispose of the ethanol/water byproduct?
Ok. Now that we've lowered the octane rating by removing the ethanol, what are your thoughts on octane boosters??
Great question. I only use octane boosters when necessary....when you have detonation issues and have no other option (on a trip, forced to get very low octane fuel, etc). If the bike is tuned correctly, you shouldnt have any need for octane boosters. Fuel can vary state by state. Some 93 octanes may have much less ethanol in it....5 to 6%. Which means the octane wouldn't be reduced as much. Maybe to 90 give or take. The idea behind this...if you dont have access to ethanol free fuel, one can utilize this little trick for long term storage only. When it comes out of storage, go back to running 10% ethanol and you shouldn't need the octane boosters riding conservatively on one tank full of lower octane ethanol free. You could add a little just for that tank. 10% 87 octane in my area is $1.89 gal. 90 octane ethanol free is $3.05 gal. For my classic cars and bikes, i pay the extra and buy the ethanol free. For my mowers...since its such a small amount, i use the trick. The lower octane really doesnt matter in my mower.
What about going down to my local general aviation airport and getting 100 low lead fuel used in piston airplanes, thoughts?
Good idea, Ken but Avgas is expensive ($5.00 - 6.00 per gal.) and the lead in the fuel will eventually eat up your plugs. Ask anybody with a general aviation aircraft !!
So the gas tanks in the gas station underground have pipes to the botton of the tank and some unlucky people are going to get more ethanol and water when the tanks are almost empty.He is right about ethanol treatments. I tried HEAT once and the vehicle ran so rough like it was coughing. After 50 miles it smoothed out. I never use that anymore.
In North Dakota we have 91 ethanol free at the pump. Be careful that you find a dedicated ethanol free pump other wise you’ll get the last guys 87 and the next guy will get your 91.
Excellent advice. thank you.
Kevin I thought the Harley-Davidson M8 Engines run the best on 93 octane. That being said I was down in Pa and I pulled in a Sunoco Station
they went from 89 octane to 90 Octane (non ethanol) What would of been the octane rating of that 90. I didn’t us3 it just drove to next station and used 93. Could you explain the difference between the 90 non ethanol versus 93 ethanol
They are 90 and 93 octane respectively. We can only get 90 octane non eth where i am as well, and thats what i run. Ethanol is ok to run as long as its not stored. I wont put it in anything that i dont expect to consume all the fuel within a couple weeks.
I just picked up a 99 harley fxr2. Is it ok to run 98 non ethanol in it. A guy mentioned to me he thinks that octane is too high for compression? Any info would be appreciated. I'm used to newer harleys but needed a bike that had an old school personality. Thanks for any info!
10.5:1 CR is safe for 93 octane tuned properly. have no idea what your comp ratio is. 98 non ethanol would be good at 11:1 CR give or take...provided ign timing is tuned for it. Very cool ride by the way. FXRs ROCK!
How long should we wait before we drain off the water ethanol crap?
Some people are saying to wait 24 hours.
Question: if water in fuel such a problem, why the water injectors for increased performance on WWII planes. When fighter planes were in trouble pilot activated water injection system for more emergency power.
So, what do you do with the ethanol water mix left over from this process?
Put it outside under a roof in a shallow pan and watch it evaporate. Best to put a screen over the top to keep wildlife out of it. Would hate for a bird to get into it.
Yep
So 87 ethonal free is premium gas?
How worth it is it to run ethonal free when bile is not sitting?
I was wondering about this. I have an Indian that's supposed to be premium only. If I get 85 Octane ethanol free, and add Lucas Octane booster, will it be safe? I just don't want to damage my bike.
What do you do with the Ethanol, what can it be used for?
It's not pure ethanol, though. It's a mixture of ethanol and water. I suppose you could distill it out if you really wanted to.
Graduated cylinders + “specific gravity” talk = #ScienceBoner
Lol.
Yep!
Fuel companies use the ethanol to raise the octane levels in lesser fuels. So removing the ethanol will leave substandard fuel.
I understand how to remove the ethanol, but you can't see the ethanol,water line in a red 5 gal. gas can. So what now? Transfer gas into a clear container? Sounds easy but not very practical. Is there an easier way?
Excellent I ride 20 miles to get ethanol free 90 octane for my ultra Which turns out I am there all the time LOL
It would be naïve to assume that the ethanol takes up the same volume when dissolved in water and in petrol.
Why would i fill up a tank with gas if I am going to let it sit for 6 months?
wanted to share a good tip....after you drain off water....pour gas thru an old FELT hat.....water will not go thru felt hat....
Can i run non ethonal gas all the time in my twin cam 2010
And will it hurt the valves
absolutely. thats all i ever run in all my bikes, mowers, collector cars, etc. If you can get non eth, I would. Wont hurt a thing and is actually better for it.
Thanks kevin here in MI we have it at the pumps they call it recreation fuel
Starting to be more popular here too...90 octane is all thats avail though.
Ethanol free gas? How "retro" can you get? What's your next big idea? Leather drive belts?
Not sure...indoor plumbing, running water, possibly even a device that will allow people to hear my voice transmitted over a wire, miles away? I'll tackle those projects next week. HAHAHA.
There are three ways water is in fuel. Free, entrained, and dissolved.
I run nonethanol fuel in my car even so I add some sea foam in the gas tank every so often. Keeps the injectors clean.
I make green goblin fuel in Augusta Georgia!
Can I bring you a sample?
Move to Oklahoma, we have real gas here.
Lol. True. And incredible views....but you also have the highest number of tornadoes. Trade offs I guess ;) Thanks for following sir. all the best.
Not for long! Then you will be looking like the rest of us.
The old saying if you have water in your tank add alcohol. Now you get it.
After removing the ethanol, can't you just add some octane booster to the fuel?
I see the alcohol and octane doing basically the same thing... Ethanol, as you say, contains water to some extent. (I've never hear they are adding 200 proof, (100%), pure alcohol to the fuel to start with.
And the additives keep the ethanol suspended... "With whatever water is in it."
And, as you know, water vapor, in the fuel or injected in the cylinder, will have the same basic effect... It will slow the fuel burn down... Which is what Octane does...
Removing all the ethanol, or getting fuel that never had it, can only improve the quality of the fuel, (make it more explosive). Then Octane can stabilize the fuel burn, without the worry of water in a fuel system...
booster seems to leave considerable deposits on plugs and o2 sensors. havent seen any that didnt anyway, that's commercially available.
@@KevinBaxter I can't offer any advice on that. Because I've never used booster...
I know it's there... Like rotgut liquor. But I'd rather pass it for something smoother...
Water + ethanol + gasoline have different densities when mixed so using volume may be miskeading. Weighing fractions is better way
Without alcohol to keep the water condensation dissolved in the fuel, wouldn't it be worse? For surely any little bit of water in the tank would end up at the bottom right away instead of being suspended in solution. Aren't we really just talking about how much water can be held in solution before separation occurs? Furthermore, the product, Heet, consists of alcohol, for dissolving separated water into solution. And so that remedy, involving adding more alcohol, presumably is the answer to water in the fuel system caused, so you say, but having alcohol in the fuel to begin with. We appear to have a problem understanding something here.
Airports have Aero fuels....it's against FAA regs to burn ethanol fuels....
British thermal units.
Which only Americans use!
I've been making crystal meth in my basement for the last decade just wondered if you guys are taking on any apprentices.
So be careful not fill your fuel tank with water. Got it.
If you have fuel that sits and absorbs water, just add more ethanol to absorb the extra moisture.
You should try water, then gas line antifreeze. In theory, this should remove both the water and ethanol.
Better yet go to a gas station and buy ethanol free gas or add and ethanol neutralizer. Save the risk of handling gasoline and not getting all the water out of the fuel that will damage your fuel system.
Actually isn’t the ethanol content of the fuel you tested 15%? The original fuel was 80 mil. The 20 mils of water were added to pull the ethanol out of the 80 mil of fuel, so your not looking at 100 mil of fuel.
12 mil of ethanol pulled out of 80 mil of fuel is 15% ethanol content.
actually, i started with 100 of fuel then added 20.
Ya, I watched it again and I don’t know why I thought you only had 80 mil of fuel. My bad. Anyway, thanks for all the great videos, they are informative and fun to watch.
This is great but need a 100 gallons a day to keep things running. Where I live, we've had 15% for a year now. IT SUCKS! You may have beaten it to death > but what's being done to ELIMINATE IT from the American gas stations permanently? Things were just fine then they screwed it ONCE AGAIN for a scam on the people. AVGAS is great for Harleys. I've used it countless times. No ethanol, burns Super clean, and always power on demand at the throttle grip. Used it in all of my muscle cars and the dirt track car.
...noq tell us what happens if we mix bleach & ammonia. 😂
What runs on 88 octane, farm machinery and Harley’s, ... sorry same thing ... 😂😂😂
Why not just buy regular gas and save the time and effort to get regular gas
Lmao 🤣 what about boiling it.
How To Make Ethanol Free Gas????????
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Number one is the gas stations that will pump non-ethanol gas without the moon shine in it to farmers because the humans on this planet still have to eat and the farmers sometimes are running farming implements that are over 100 years old You can't put that stuff in there unexpect the farmer to put up with it so you can get it if you don't live in a civilized city by taking a trip It's just a matter of money If you do the math If you drive 100 and 50 mi to get a couple cans of fuel and return it'll cost you more than the cans locally that contain 10 oz and $23 the arithmetic says $22.30 an ounce if you're just using it for a lawn mower or snowball maybe but then if you look at the research the fancy names for pure gas are not pure. Fuel and the other catch phrases me I am old and I still push my Sears and roebuck (RIP) 1992 MOWER AND I DID SEE THIS COMING POSSIBLY SO NOW THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY NO POSSIBILITY! 🤬☠️ AND BLAME ME BECAUSE I GATHERED UP SOME PARTS FOR MINE AND HOARDED THEM SO WHEN THEY MURDERED SEARS FOR THEIR NAME AND THEN WENT OFFSHORE TO MAKE COPIES OR CLONES CHOOSE THE WORD OF YOUR CHOICE AND NONE OF THAT FIT THE ORIGINAL SEARS AND ROEBUCK CRAFTSMAN EQUIPMENT AND REALLY YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH BUT WHEN THEY'RE OVER THERE OVER AND THE MACHINES ARE SELLING TODAY ARE OKAY TILL YOU GET THEM HOME AND THEN IF YOU DECIDE TO GO TO BED THE NIGHTMARES WILL BE THERE EVERY NIGHT THE OLD ONES WERE SIMPLE THEY USED TO HAVE GASOLINE YOU PUT THE GASOLINE IN THERE POOL A STRING OFF YOU GO BUT I CAN'T DO THAT WITH IT TOTAL SHOULDER REPLACEMENT TOTAL KNEE REPLACEMENT AND TOO MANY CANDLES ON TOO MANY CAKES SO I SWITCHED TO 100 LL AV GAS, WHEN I COULDN'T FIND $140 OR $190 BASED UP MAKING THAT AFTER THE WAR TO THE PUBLIC BUT IT'S GOT NOTHING IN IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT THEY CAN'T WRAP THEIR HEADS AROUND IT OF AIRPLANES FALLING OUT OF THE SKY BUT I DIGRESS AND PRETTY SOON DON'T MAKE ME LEGAL AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE SOLAR CELLS ON THE WINGS ELECTRIC MOTORS ON EVERY SURFACE OF THE AIRCRAFT AND YOU CAN ONLY FLY THEM IN PERFECT WEATHER CONDITIONS WHILE YOU WALK AROUND WITH AN ANKLE LENGTH RAINCOAT COVERED WITH SOLAR CELLS ON PROPELLER IN EACH HAND AND ONE ON YOUR HAT? 🇺🇸🥺
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Ethanol sucks almost as bad as Government mandates.