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Diocletian's vestibule, Temple of Jupiter, and hot springs
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In my first video on this palace, I promised details on the vestibule, Temple of Jupiter, and hot springs. Here they are.
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Diocletian's vestibule, temple of Jupiter, and hot springs
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I'm in Split right now, im gonna get drunk later and get to the top of that tower and shout LINDYBEEEEIGE!!
Did you do it?
Your comment about the coins reminded me of my army days. It was a tradition for conscripts to mark having less than ten days of service left by tossing small change on the parade ground during the roll call. I was one of the guys on the cleaning duty when the previous generation in our base reached that mark and I collected just enough money for a popsicle. The look on the face of the shop clerk when I paid was priceless.
Putting my bachelors degree in History to use: knowing what you're talking about and where you are. Thanks for the tour!
Vestibule could very well be used as a concert hall, there are groups of people singing traditional dalmatian songs there, and acoustics is phenomenal
I have to mention that when I spent 7 days of my vacation on Split and I did walk the Riva quite often, I did not smell a thing. I even ate once at the restaurant that you showed and nada.
I went last year and nada either
That statue of Zeus looks like he was smoking a pipe and it was removed.
Generality
It's not the original statue, but a recent addition. The hand is palm up,with fingers curved upwards, and it can look like he is giving the finger...
I think that’s a statue of St. John the Baptist because of the bowl in his other hand
Any brother from my fraternity would know that symbol. It's also known as a labarum. It's supposedly the symbol Constantine saw before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge.
I grew up in Rotorua, New Zealand. The place is one big geothermal hotspot, the entire city has the characteristic "egg" smell. It's so active that you're not allowed to have a basement, or it may slowly fill up with hydrogen sulphide and turn into a death trap.
Fascinating as always. I must say I have only a passing acquaintance with archaeology but it is fascinating to hear the discussion.
WELL DONE!! (got to admire a guy who pauses to flagellate himself with a mea culpa midway)
I can say that, as of my August 2020 visit to Split, the wooden framing at 1:04 is still there. It seems that is to be the permanent solution until it all entirely rots away.
I can say that, as of my September 2021 visit to Split, the wooden framing at 1:04 is still there. It seems that is to be the permanent solution until it all entirely rots away.
@@Sciller4 I can say that, as of my May 2023 visit to Split, the wooden framing at 1:04 is still there. It seems that is to be the permanent solution until it all entirely rots away.
Quite respectful of their anthropological places...
I went on youtube to get the history of Split rather than doing a walking tour. These videos have definitely answered a bunch of questions I've been thinking about and the low key roast has me cracking up!
You're absolutely right, Lindybeige.. speaking as a native who knows quite a bit of history of the town, I can confirm the tour guides spout utter nonsense more often than not.. At least they point out the buildings.
I live in a town that was famous for its sulphur springs, so sadly, yes, I am all too familiar with that smell.
If somebody from the UK says the stairs are narrow, you know they're right. There were buildings in Scotland that just are serious not safe.
Fun fact: fish market is right on top of sulfor springs and there are no flys there or any other bugs or maggots thanks to the sulfor.
Is there ANY connection (linguistic or otherwise) between the city, Cairo, and the CHI and the RHO symbol of the early Christians?
It's not as daft as it first appears, as, the city of Cairo was a Roman fort, and around it grew a small town of Coptic Christians.
Only that "Cairo" is based on the arabic name of the city al-Qāhirah, meaning "the Vanquisher". The coptic name of the city is Kashromi. There is no etymological link to the Chi-Roh letters and their use in christendom.
4:02 - CARTMAN!
+Darth Belal Respact mah athoriti !
The chi rho is also symbolic because of the chi forms a cross and the rho resembles a shepherd's crook.
Hahaha, you are funny. I don't like history. But I love watching your videos. The humor combined with history facts work great. keep going and I'll keep watching.
Thanks.
wonderful filming and the choice of items to film. really nice. If I were there, I would certainly be attracted to those same pieces, corners and topics. Amazing (you know Lindy, if you were borne American, your parents would ve braced your teeth at young age, and now they would be all straight. David Bowie did that much later in life, i remember)
voice from 4:08 sounds great
Yay, I was here today, too.
XPICTOC...
Not in midair, but in the background. ...
More of these!
I once found a modern toilet on the rooftop somewhere, which I dubbed "Diocletian's Latrina"
Would the cartoon face carved in stone not have been more detailed but through to weathering or tourist touching have lost it finer detailing?
3:39 from what i've been told, the choice to abandon idealized, realistic proportions and detailed features in art was a deliberate one. they were perfectly capable of making sculptures similar to their predecessors but they simply chose not to. I can't remember exactly why but I know for certain it wasn't due to a lack of talent or effort.
It's to do with the theology of icons; religious art should not be true to life, because that would make simple people think that it worships the flesh (which was the reason for the iconoclasm rumblings), whilst in reality it worships the abstract ideals; my guess would be that the simplification style just spread to secular art from there, simmilary how minimalst buddhist art 'removed' livlier art styles in Japan.
While true, one should always remember that it is an opinion, not a fact. Most art historians before WWI wouldn't completely agree with this hypothesis. So, Lindybeige is fair in giving this differing opinion.
British humor, I like it, couple of ice creams hahahhaha, thats a fact I live there
I don't know if it's the sulphur affecting him, but Lloyd sounds like he's doing some sort of gravel-voiced ASMR! xD
Yes, I know that smell, I've been to Iceland.
Lindybeige When are you going to start organizing tours? I would like to book my place right away, if possible ;)
That's a warrior nation,like small Croatian nation- 5 million (+ 5 mill in diaspora),having they own Roman Emperor -- who build the Palace during the life,he was so sure that he will get older,like he did--and made her-Palace in his born town,province of Dalmatia....he is 1 Dalmatian in 101 Dalmatians!Greetings from Croatia to all you good people,Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !!!
No, the people of the Late Roman period did not let their children do their artwork, it was simply a style that was popular at the time. This whole idea that realism should be the ultimate goal of any piece of art doesn't really make any sense, that's like saying Picasso was a rubbish painter because his works aren't nearly as realistic as those of Rembrandt. Both Picasso and the artist who did those carvings weren't aiming for absolute realism, but consciously went for a more stylised version of it. Well, I can't be entirely certain about these particular carvings, of course, but that style is so commonplace throughout late Antiquity and the early Middle Ages that it is fair to assume the artist who did it was simply following the ideas about art that were prevalent during his time.
It was a joke
MrHendrix17 Of course, but the underlying idea that it was somehow inferior to other, earlier Roman art seemed very serious indeed...
But, Picasso and his ilk WERE rubbish painters.
Todays modern "art" is infantile junk.
Jeff Lucky That's true.
Jeff Lucky
Oh, Picasso could paint quite well, when he wanted to (he did almost exclusively for private purposes only). His testament makes fun of the art critics that praised his stuff even those pieces he just made to bait them. I fully agree about many other 'modern' artists. I follow the Kishon* rule there: An artist has first to prove that he or she could do it the old-fashioned way before his/her 'modern' pieces should get any benefit of doubt.
*Ephraim Kishon, mainly known as a satirist today, was a classic sculptor by training and wrote two (scathing) books on modern art and a play satirising the modern art and art critic scene in Israel.
very nice.
Follow the Emperor's step..Hello from Split!
The wood supports need supports!
I believe Chi Rho stands for Christus Rex (Christ the King, in Latin), rather than just representing the first two letters of the word Christ?
Damn you at 4:00 I got my fizzy drink in my nose
Since I'm from Croatia and have a vacation house on the Island of Hvar, you can imagine I pass through the Split Riva (where you were filming) quite a number of times, and I don't remember this foul smell you speak of.
+19Anonymous33 Nor do I remember ever smelling it.
In split, by the waterfront there is definitely a smell. I noticed it when I was there 2 years ago.
I really couldn't smell it.
You know Lindy there was nothing Christians loved more that overwriting pagan temples and culture! ;)
too bad you did not do a video on some croatian historic heritage. thanks for video tho
4:07. Really? That's something from south park and it passes as an art.
+TheLittlestMig Well South Park is art! :P
+TheLittlestMig probably a Dalmatian defiling art works.
It's fitting cos in 305 Diocletian pulled a Cartman "screw you guys, I'm going home".
Oh my, Pagan versus Christian art! Thulean Perspective comment in 5, 4, 3, 2 .. :D
That particular restaurant at the end of the video is not that smelly. At least, I do not remember it being smelly. And I definitely was not paid by the owners of that particular restaurant to say this.
at the 3.30 mark you claim "thats not actualy much"... the red coppery ones.. ok.. the golden shiny ones are 10, 20 or 50 Cent, and there are plenty of them. And then there are also several Euros in it. Thats a LOT of Icecream inside!
Croatia wasn't in the Eurozone at time of filming. The brass coins (if local) were 5 or 10 lipa (apologies if that's not the correct plural), respectively worth about 1/2 and 1 euro cent. The lowest value coins would be 1 lipa, or about 1/10 euro cent.
If I was roman emperor, I would just whisper all the time. People wouldn't expect me to yell, and it'd go along great. Roose Bolton and the godfather handled it just fine.
Coin money used to be worth looting from fountains...
Wet or otherwise.
I don't know why carvings were so poor in this period was it supposed to be an unpretentious art of the people style? Perhaps echoing the earlier christian catacomb paintings?
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Good observation on the poor carvings done by the early christians. I thought that they were done by children too.
when live there you get used to the smell nad you wont even notice
isnt it a myth that english archers would show their drawing fingers as an insult to the french knights or something?
Okay
why is your voice so different in these trip videos?
The greek letter Chi isn't pernounced as a k... shame on you Loyd =P XD
Depends how Anglicised you want to be. There is a 'correct' English way to pronounce Latin that I was taught at one school, then when I changed school, they used a completely different Italian-style. 'Roo' still grates, though. I think chi pronounced like eye with a K at the front is the standard amongst mathematicians. You'd prefer something a bit more breathy, perhaps?
Lived a few years in greece, learned the language there. I do prefer the more breathy version of the letter, but to each his own... (=
The question is though, which chi is correct the greek throaty chi or the cypriot sounding more like a modern h...?
Btw thx for responding... up late aswell I guess. Doing youtube 4 in the morning isn't a good technique for going to sleep xD
ThuleanPerspective But the pernounciations have remained pretty much the same. The interesting this is though that Cypriot greek has the chi closest to the ancient pernaunciation...
Lindybeige
Looks like the phoneme for chi is absent in common English where ch is depending on context pronounced as either k or tsh. I think chi is correctly pronounced like what is transcribed in English as kh but formed not back in the throat but right behind the front teeth (at about the same location as sh).
Lindybeige We're British so correct in how we pronounce things. Even when we are wrong, we're right. ;)
**stares in annoyed modern polytheist** oh joy... >____>
2:45 Windows XP
Isn't christianity essentially a generalization of mostly hellenized judaism and the pagan religions of the time, by the roman empire in order to unite the empire religiously and socially???
At the time it largely was, yes, and there are still a lot of vestiges of that in the modern Catholic church. Only took 1200 more years after Diocletian for the Protestant Reformation to get rid of them... :p
yarpen800 You're quite right, but to be fair I was commenting more on Christianity being a political force that socially and politically united the Roman Empire. Those things we did get rid of, unlike the Pagan influences.
Robert Faber
??? We had political Catholicism till at least 1600's or so. And Protestant Christianity stepped right in and was often just as political, if on a smaller scale (kingdoms/nations, instead of world/empires).
ausguymac You write of "Churchianity", not actual Christianity.
Religion as cultural practice evolving into temple stucture were tribute is paid evolving into larger political philisophical thought/power?