Siding Wars: James Hardie® VS LP SmartSide® VS Mastic® Quest (Vinyl)
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- Siding Wars: James Hardie® VS LP SmartSide® VS Mastic® Quest (Vinyl)
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Did you know there is a siding war going in on in America? There are few companies making claims that there are the best choice, attacking each other and throwing punches at competitors reputation.
We have decided to put top three Siding Brands head to head to see who will win overall comparison in ten different test: durability, fire resistance, termite resistance, paint finish, maintenance, overall warranty, cost, installation, and safety.
We rated each product and positioned each other per their performance accordingly. In each category each siding product could become number 1, 2, or 3. The less points overall gets you to better overall score.
The results? Looks like we have a tie. Both James Hardie and Mastic Quest earned 17 points, and LP got 24 overall.
All three products have weaknesses and strong points, but we wanted to rate them from consumer perspective and we think results are where they needs to be. No one scored "1" in each category, and no one got "3" in each. Results are results, and numbers don't lie. The best options on the market are Most popular, cheaper and maintenance free Vinyl Siding as well as more expensive, better looking James Hardie siding.
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We had the older version of LP on our house. The 4x8 sheets and it all started to rot from the ground up about a foot. We painted about every 4 to 5 years but it didn't matter., they sent an LP guy out and the cut us a check based on the depreciated value. The whole process took about 9 months. They sent us $250, yeah that's it.
We ripped it all off, re covered our house with plywood, wrapped it in tyvek then installed 4x8 sheets of James hardie and installed batten strips for the board and batten look. We installed the shingles in the peaks and did wide trim around Windows, the top to seperate the sheets from the shingles as well as along the bottom. Then we used a 30 year paint from Rodda paints. We did the project ourselves, me and my husband and it looks great!
Owner Summit Remodeling, Co. , been in business 35 years , was involved with the LP removal and replace fiasco, most were done with James Hardie, Cedarmill planks , all still doing fine today ! Here in the NW , moisture is the big issue , fibre cement handles that problem and holds paint very well !
As you look around your area you will notice more multi family , single family and commercial buildings are finished with varying types of fibre cement siding products , people are learning !
Cheers
If you install James Hardie, buy a fiberboard shear tool for cutting, the dust from a circular saw is terrible (almost no dust from a shear). I've had Hardie Plank on my house for 15 years no problems whatsoever the neighbors have replaced their cheap vinyl several times due to hail damage.
1965ace that's what we did when we re-sided our house with James hardie. Day 1 we used the blade but I went back to town and purchased the shears. We used them for the entire project and didn't have any dust issues. Best money we ever spent
I'm having a hard time picturing in my mind what kind of tool you're talking about..Are you guys talking about shears as in..scissors? (Heavy duty obviously not regular household scissors haha) When ace said "Fiberboard shear tool"..maybe he means a tool I've never seen before ??(I haven't seen many tools lol) Sounds like a great tip! Just want to be clear on what to use.
Also if you decide to install James hardie invest in something called gecko gauge. It is a hands free tool that holds the board in place if you are doing the job yourself
Excellent video. Thanks for the overview of the three products. Very helpful to the consumer to see the different aspects of each choice discussed and rated.
Thanks for engagement
Thanks. I am a carpenter as well and I have vinyl on my house and try to steer customers that direction as well. Another plus is that if a piece of vinyl gets damaged, it is much easier to replace than the other 2 options.
Enjoyed your systematic breakdown of each product. I definitely feel better educated about each choice. To be fair,?though, I would have liked to hear more about the hardie warranty.
That and Diamond Kote added in a rigid spline to the back of their boards which allows a single person to install an entire board and as long as the start board is level every other piece will be as well
Thank you for posting video, video is informative and help making decisions.
Informative video. I was wondering if you could give your opinion on which product would be best only in regard to woodpeckers trying to make nesting holes. Which has been found to be least attractive to them, and which gives best resistance? We currently have areas of synthetic stucco and its been a nightmare. Its seems that the sound they get from the stucco is very attractive to them, and then they easily break through the outer layer (almost within minutes) , dig out the styrofoam and then nest. No sooner to we get rid of one and fix the hole and another comes along and makes more big holes. (I would highly discourage anyone from synthetic stucco after what we have been through!)
This was really helpful. Thanks
Terminates are enough reason for me to choose fiber board! Great video really helped me decide!
Very Good Video but you forgot that LP Has partnered with Diamond Kote for paint finish and now has a 30 Year no fade guarantee.
+Casey Wingate We didn't forget we just would like to see LP offering own finish warranty instead of walking away from that liability. If you have claim 25 years later on "50 year" product LP will send you to diamond kote. After 31 years you are simply out of luck. It's just very misleading life time warranty and not easy process to get it
Yes, you have a personal bias against LP. I can feel THAT connection very clearly. I don't think you gave an honest test at all. You are entitled to your opinion, and I cannot believe that you would say that concrete board is easier to install, even with painting cuts. Painting is EASY and doesn't take hardly any time, maybe you should try it. Also, Concrete fiber siding has ALOT of issues which you completely ignore. I agree, LP has quite a few "OUTS" in their warranty, and it is good that you bring those out, as most contractors and homeowners don't read the installation instructions or warranty, BUT to say that their warranty is worse is incorrect, that is the same for any product if you don't install it correctly it wont be covered.
LP doesn't sell a pre-finished product, so why would they give a finish warranty? Do you expect GM to warranty the sail on your pickup truck? Their warranty must suck, they dont warranty the sail!
Casey Wingate I agree with you big time Casey. The diamond Kote finish made LP a top of the line finish, plus they add the rigid stack fin too which makes hanging it much easier. The painting part, you should paint hardy board ends too so there's no difference there. Also cutting LP is just like doing old work which makes it almost kinda fun... well as fun as work can be haha
Great video! This is very helpful. You guys seem awesome.
Excellent video, from a consumers perspective. I would like to know more about your reasoning behind ranking the mastic board number one for safety. Thanks again guys!
+Jason Rauschelbach thanks!
Home come no one includes Seamless Steel in these comparisons?
and let me explain
Edco metal siding
ffw got me to the end dude
Nice. Video
I see that you didn't use wind damage, vinyl and Hardie are bad when they get hit by wind.
Also what about steel siding ? Diamond kote is way better than hardie even steel siding is better
Thank you
Which company has class action suits against its siding product...LP then went bankrupt and left homeowners holding the bag and paying 10's of thousands to replace their LP rotted siding. Will Never ever buy LP products again
That "Smartside" looked like waferboard to me and that's all I need to see. NADA !
Hardee is nice but could be a problem to repair without damage to surrounding pieces.
Vinyl is affordable and can be replaced where needed (if the style you have is still available.)
Brick has it's problems too but would be my number one choice.
I would not Give LP or Louisiana pacific a friken DIME. Because of the way they paid out on the failed crap still on my house today.
They were Rude and insulting t me on the phone. Why would I waste Paint on the garbage just to keep a worthless warranty for a product that did not meet up to standards.
te 4x9 sheets buckled and warped I doubt it has any sheer strength and the nails pulled out of the product. Its absolute crap.
The simple fact is they will not pay a warranty claim thy will alway find its somone elses fault.
I wished that shit would sucks up paint like it sucks up water. Then it might be worth somthing.
I don't like vinyl siding either and it does require maintenance, you have to spray it off or it get's moldy. It changes color shrinks cracks and loses it looks over time.No siding is perfect all of them have faults and no one wants to stand behind the warranty.
That so called "Smart Siding" brings back horrible memories of Masonite Siding.
Terrible video, should of called the video a LP Smart Side bashing. This goofball obviously sells Mastic vinyl and James Hardie and not the LP. No mention of the class action law suit against James Hardie
First of all we have installed LP and other two. What do you like so much about LP?
Who has the best warranty? LP sucks... LP will soak up water like a sponge, through nail holes, ends ect.... terrible stuff...
This is a great Hardie commercial.
1. Durability- LP wins, look up the NASA Smartside video on youtube. Hands down, debris flying LP wins. No hail warranty because hail should not damage it at all.
2. Fire-Fires start most of the time inside the home, so either way your screwed. If it is a grass fire approaching you, it doesnt matter much either, even brick homes have been lost to wild fires.
3. Termites-No mention of the chemical built into the resin of the material to prevent termites. Termites tend to each the substructure, so you should treat for termites with any home.
4-5. 5 year 100% parts and labor warranty backed up with a 50 year limited. Standard home maintenance check for caulk lines every so often, look for possible swelling/fatigue keep the home washed of debris/dirt/mold.
6. Installation. Who cares how difficult or easy the install is, your paying someone to do it right. You have a contract with the installer to do it right, if it fails because of install, sue the installer, you have it in writing dont you?
7. Looks, personal preference. Should not be on this list, but since it is give Hardie and LP a 1, and vinyl a 4.
8. Cost- Vinyl is cheap it should get a 1, LP a 2 and Hardie a 10. Homedepot 1 panel of LP smart is $40. 1 panel of Hardie is $130. same size.
9. Safety- A non-issue if you follow approved OSHA guidelines. Do the job right or don't do it at all. Vinyl can be dangerous if you are using a dull box knife and slice your wrist. Seen it happen.
Gotta tell you that your stressing warranty is meaningless. James Hardie just revoked their warranty in Alaska when people started using it for the complete failure of their product. Simple: brag about a warranty then just drop it after the purchase statewide! Hardie comes in primed and painted so if you get it primed you have to paint it. You will not get a "baked on finish" when you buy primed. In the real world it rains and snows which Hardie just can't handle. It disintegrates. Vinyl window drains dissolve the plank at each corner. Lower courses with snow on them dissolve. Paint won't last five years. I don't know about LP but I do know Hardie and it is a travesty. There are several other shortcomings but suffice it to say Hardie might be ok in Arizona but if you live in a climate with moisture you should avoid it at all costs! Take care. Doug