Thanks for talking about this! To clarify the guy did assault me and there was a whiteness, but the police didn't press charges. Another time they took a knife off him while he was on his way (drunk) to my house and let him go. Two men had to restrain him when he followed me into a shop and chased me. They took him in for one night and let him go. I can't have a gun because I have tourettes and it wouldn't be safe for me to use one. The police have just suggested that I quit my streaming career because they would rather I quit my job then have to actually do theirs. We have to fend for ourselves. I put my money into my mum's care needs so I could never afford 24 hour security guards. If I quit tomorrow none of these stalkers will forget me or stop, I will just have less money to spend protecting myself from them. I'm angry for all all the streamers who have to face this every day. We literally risk our lives to entertain people. 😞
They literally arrest people that can vaguely match a description for a minor crime, but refused to do anything in terms of stalking until the stalked is already physically violated. It’s exhausting.
They arrest people for a little weed in some states even give them prison time but stalkers dont even get sent to rehab in a straight jacket at the very least to keep him away from the general public
The stalker issue doesn't apply to streamers alone. I have been stalked by people I have met in bigger streamers chats, I'm sure you already know their name without me saying them. This was during a time on Twitch when chats were actually fun (not toxic) and offline chats were a nice way to pass the time when you weren't busy. In a bigger streamers chat I made some friends with quite a few people, mostly in offline chat. I ended up adding people on discord and we played games sometimes, it was fun for awhile. I started dating one guy from the group and when I realized how scary he was I broke it off with him. He ended up saying he'd hurt people for me, hurt himself, kill people, etc etc. All the while he had some really bad memory loss and some serious anger issues. He kept sending me gifts in the mail, one time I thought my current boyfriend had sent me it, but it was him. Completely ruined my day and I didn't know what to do so I hid it from my family. I called the company that the gift was sent from, asked if I could be put on a 'do not send' list (explained my situation) and they told me they don't do that because it will hurt their business. Well, he kept sending me the same gift over and over and over. I honest to god hope that company goes bankrupt. Not only was I sent weird gifts, I was being stalked online for years. To this day. This guy went through my friends, asking where i was, what i was doing, how i am, who im dating/friends with, etc. He still makes fake accounts to see my social media. It scares me to know that there are so many kids in these chats that can fall victim to stalking. I never called the police because after the company told me they wouldn't help me I just assumed without evidence they couldnt help me. I've done a lot of renaming, changing emails, everything you can think of to lose this guy but it never seems to work. I'm having to use an alternate account to even post this comment.
Update: Stalker arrested. When it comes to this behavior, the common advice is take it seriously, contact the authorities with it in mind that they aren't personal security and won't camp your home, arm and secure your home to include hiring personal security (get a dog), tell friends/family about it, and contact a local advocacy group such as a DV center or a a lawyer.
It is mildly amusing that if a kid threatens to shoot up a school, then he gets immediately arrested, with no questions asked. But when a stalker threatens to harm someone, cops don't do anything. So it seems to either be a problem of age (being an adult, the threatened person can defend themselves) or a problem of numbers (only the threatened person is harmed in the stalker case). Either way it's messed up
The police incompetence in stories like this remind me of that guy who got brutally stabbed on a subway in front of 2 officers who stood and did nothing (not even calling an ambulance). The guy luckily survived and tried to sue the police department for their lack of action, but he lost because the court ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens. Ghoulish
Law enforcement is absolute bs, they can’t just sit and wait until someone actually gets hurt THEN they act. They should at least provide protection for the victim or a means to capture the weirdo if someone calls out of concern. It should NOT be a waste of law enforcement’s time because YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
@@omniscientbarebones wasn't the whole bomb threat thing *in* Runescape and not irl? That's what I can remember from the story, and the guy got sentenced for years in jail (sorry if I recalled this story incorrectly)
Long before I was born, my mom was stalked by a cop. He would follow her around, pull her over in the middle of nowhere and make her get out of her car and walk back while he followed in his car, showing up at her job, etc. It all came to a head when my uncle visited my mom at her job (she was a bartender at the time) and the cop assaulted him and threatened him bc he didn’t know he was her brother. My biological father (who was my moms boyfriend at the time) knew one of the higher ups in the cops department but the BEST they could do was move him to a different area away from my mom. Like 6-8 months after this he pulled over a different woman in the middle of the night (who he had been stalking) in the middle of nowhere and raped her. Stalking isn’t considered a serious crime until they harm you.
Omg that’s one my worst fears is having a person with more authority like a cop with very bad intentions pull you over and being alone and defenceless.
My sister had a stalker. Dude drove over three hours to my dad's house trying to find her. He claimed he was her "teacher" and wanted to return her school books. Nobody has any idea who this old guy is, he definitely isnt one of her professors, and the cops didn't do anything about it because he "technically" didn't do anything wrong... Now she is always afraid, constantly looking over her shoulder, terrified that this guy is gonna kidnap her.
They never learn till bones are broken but Oh THATS when the cops wanna do they're jobs. Not for the guy that drove HOURS to do bad things given the chance but when they're handled EXACTLY how they Deserve to be handled to cops do their jobs.
Well james im gonna be honest with you, if i where you i would prepare to bury someone and do everything you can to make sure that it is not your sister. There has to be a guide online on what to do in a situation like this where lawenforcement doesnt do anything. Use decoys, get your sister to a safe place and switch cars, lure the stalker to her with orchestrated social media posts. A crime will be committed, its either you who does the crime or the stalker but it seems like its no longer a choice to do this lawful unless she doesnt mind moving. I wish you, your sister and your family the best and i hope i didnt offend you by saying this. Peace
Technically they didn't so the cops couldn't do anything. But doesn't impersonating as her teacher count as something? Maybe not unless he asked her to come with, if not then I don't think you can get him on anything unfortunately. Also how did you know about the 3 hour drive, if you don't mind me asking. If he didn't give you that info then you should have met him more than once at least.
I had a friend in high school who had a stalker, she was in a relationship and turned this guy down on numerous occasions. He was like 22 and she was 16, but he had enough of her rejecting him, got a gun and found where she lived. He attacked her once and the police were called and he wasn't caught, she also told them he had a weapon but nothing was done. A week later he broke into her house, killed her dad, her girlfriend, and then himself. I had to go to a funeral for a girl I had known since 5th grade and the other girl moved away. Because you're right, they don't take it seriously until someone ends up fucking dead.
This isn't limited to stalking Internet celebrities. Real people get stalked by exes or just someone they were nice to once. Nothing happens until a stalker goes too far.
Yeah that’s hella facts man, anyone can be stalked. Doesn’t matter on the gender, age or anything too- definitely more common for females to be stalked though.
@that guy Streamers are people, the main issue is the viewers who get the thought in their head that streamers are on a different level, or are exactly how they appear on streams. They arent different, theyre just like you and I, just a different career
@that guy Regular person here, hello. I just wanted to ask you real quick about what the FUCK is wrong with you. EXCUSE ME!? NO???? Nobody is fucking laughing at people getting stalked. You see, streamers might sometimes get a bit more visibility on the internet which makes the stories easier to find. Even if there are horrible tragedies that have happened to not-internet-people, those stories are usually found long after, and nobody wants to talk about shitty things unless they're at least relevant.
there was a girl whose boyfriend was stabbed to death in their home by her stalker (David Heiss), who met her online and obsessed about her to the point he travelled to the UK from Germany to arrive at her house unannounced after getting her address from her friends on the forum they met on. this shit can escalate so quickly so i really can't believe how lax law enforcement still is regarding stalking. i feel like this can be one of the scariest, most violating things that can happen to a person. so fucked up.
@@minzy093 people like that typically say something online. all the recent killings and shootings, the perpetrators typically post online how they’re going to kill someone… and then they do and everyone is surprised.
Stalking needs to be taken more seriously in the courts. Shit like this and the entire Papparazi thing needs to end. Like, the idea that being a public figure makes you lose your right to privacy is outrageous.
@@linusmlgtips2123 Agreed, same should go for "journalists" that snap pictures of celebs minding their own business. I don't care, I dont think anybody else cares, so why the fuck are they doing this. Its down right disturbing.
@@O49-b7d technically, that's just creepy, stalking is the repeated act of following someone around without their consent. Paparazzi is a huge problem for celebs.
I understand how it can be rocky because a crime 'hasnt yet been committed,' but honestly stalking in and of itself should be considered a violent crime, under the same logic as false bomb/shooting threats. (Actually) stalking someone, no matter the motive, makes them fear for their safety/life, and reasonably so. The amount of crippling and genuine fear that you can cause that person can be detrimental to their mental and even physical health. Stalking should absolutely be punishable without them having to commit another crime.
Right? Like, the amount of evidence that people have of being stalked with very clear threats to their health and safety, and the police just sitting back and shrugging is appalling
The police never want to enforce laws or do their job. I was stalked by a neighbor with proof and he even violated the court order. The police blamed me and said I needed to "just move'.
it really is, and the amount of evidence you need to actually realise you’re being stalked is genuinely insane, and the paranoia that follows is terrifying. i was stalked but thought i was overreacting until i stepped back and looked at the situation. a guy i talked to once or twice casually starts showing up more and more often at my usual cafe (on college campus), he constantly asked me ‘what does your timetable look like / what course do you do ?’. and stupidly i showed him my timetable and gave him all the info he needed to remember which one it was, that was how he knew where i was at all times…and i was completely innocent to it. worst of all he took the same bus as me, so he had a rough idea of where i lived. eventually i had to report him to the college, but that made him ask everyone who knows me for either my number so he could ‘apologise’ or to set up a ‘meeting’ so we could discuss the issue. and that’s only the summarised version, it was fucking terrifying man i didn’t (and still don’t) feel safe at all at college with him there
I had a man stalk me for four years. He was 40-50 something years old and I only met him once. I was still all dressed up for church because when we got back we realized my dog was missing and so I was looking for her. He showed me some picture of his “daughter” who turned out to be another girl he was stalking. He moved into and began renting the house right next door. We complained for two years and the only reason they came out and put him in cuffs was because he walked into my home and walked out with my underwear, my pillow, and a few of my clothes and stuffed animals. They said they couldn’t find anything. He went to jail for a night. When the trial eventually did roll around, we were only granted a restraining order for a year and he was sentenced to three years probation but only served about about 8-10 months I can’t exactly remember. I can’t exactly remember because I was 15 when this all started. He had a history, he’d done it to two other girls, about the same age, same he ght height, same looks-and still, the justice system failed me. He had some slight mental disorder and absolved him of his crimes apparently. After I came home from college, I didn’t have a car, so I was walking home from the store and I saw a familiar white truck pass me really slow and my heart sank. I watched him go by 7 times on my ride home. I jumped ship and moved in with some guy I met and he never found me again. I think he lost interest thankfully, (I guess, because I haven’t had any problems for about about 3 years now) but it also hurts to know he’s out there tormenting some other girl… I’ve been hurt a few times and the justice system has never once helped me.
He walked into your home? Like just came in through a door, took stuff your room and left? He also did the same to other people? Absolved because a mental disorder, bruh, this person needs therapy at least lol.
@@WildHorizon That was not long at all. Captivating, and tragic. I wish you the best, and men like him? I wish him the worst. The law truly needs examining for allowing this.
I’m so so so sorry to hear what you’ve been through. I know saying sorry does nothing to relieve your pain, but I can’t imagine how that felt for you as a little girl. I really hope youve found happiness despite that disgusting lunatic, and I hope you never have to deal with him or anyone like him again.
To the people saying things like "just move houses/cities/somewhere else", it doesn't always stop the stalking. Stalkers will often find a way, somehow, anyhow, to track their victim down, and find their new location. If the victim changes their number, they'll find out what the new number is. If the victim quits their job and starts a new one, the stalker will find out their new place of employment somehow. Stalkers will go to any length to get to their victim, they are extremely dangerous, and they are NOT to be underestimated.
Also, that puts the responsibility and blame on the victim when it's not their fault. They cannot control other people and also aren't responsible for someone else's decisions and actions. They didn't decide to be targeted, the stalker did. The victims are usually just living their lives like any other person and should be able to live in peace. They shouldn't have to uproot and destroy their life because some pathetic excuse of a person decided to target them. I know that actually holding the stalker responsible for their actions and focusing on them to stop (or even just be arrested for stalking) is unfortunately idealistic in many current societies though which is disturbing. It's ridiculous how many people think "just move somewhere else", "just don't go out", etc. are valid suggestions for the targets instead of focusing on stopping the stalkers. The stalkers should be the ones who suffer the consequences but it often ends up with the target suffering and losing the most. There needs to be significantly faster and harsher punishments for stalkers because at the moment, not much is being done and it's insane.
@@Alyakismydutchname I agree, we definitely live in a society that blames the victim of a crime way more often than the perpetrator. In the events of robberies, r*pes, assaults, and even murders, I always see people blaming the victim, saying they were "asking for it", or "must have done something to deserve it" or provoke the person. It's disgusting. There definitely needs to be more education on stalking, because there's still so much ignorance and mockery towards it.
It cannot be understated exactly how bad of an idea it is to move while you are being stalked. If you even have to move, that's very costly, and that alone deserves reparations should the law, by some ungodly circumstance, see this as the solution. But that's not even to say the risks and dangers of moving to a new place, leaving the place you're familiar with, leaving the home you're familiar with and have more control and stability. "No, you should move to a strange new place where you have no connections, no clue where anything is" What the fuck? Whatever new apartment or hotel you stay at isn't nearly as secure as an actual home or residence with family and loved ones. That's not to speak of your loved ones. This can easily become a hostage situation. They can try to blackmail you. Say you decide to move back to your hometown? That can put your own family and friends at risk. It's like...trying to cure a fever by applying a heat pack. Ridiculous. The guy moved from Europe after selling everything. I'm sure he can follow Amouranth to the ends of the earth.
well to be fair shes a sex worker that uploads pornographic content to only fans, so of course there will be some creeps that want more than just visual enticement. Considering she's uploading pornographic content on onlyfans and very sexual content on twitch, she should have been more careful with her privacy or invested in more security.
I lived with a stalker for a year, they really don't get punished at all. My roommate was female too, so they REALLY did not take it seriously. She sent over a hundred long deranged incel emails to this poor boy and finally had a psychotic break after getting nothing in return. She then spent every waking moment outside looking for him, I even had to hide all of our kitchen knives because she had become so unhinged. Law enforcement told us that we couldn't even legally force her out unless she actually hurt someone, I had to tell her to gtfo myself. It actually angers me how little law enforcement does with stalking until it's too late. This poor boy never felt safe and I know it's gonna take him quite a bit of time to feel normal again.
?? I was so confused when he said that stalking is no crime and people can't be arrested for it. In Austria it is a felony to stalk someone. It is ruled as a form of violence and you may very well go to prison. Yes, you can go to prison for stalking someone without ever laying your hands on them, breaking their stuff or intruding in their house. Which is good.
@@Levittchen4G Oh man I envy you. I think it actually is supposed to be illegal in the US but it just never gets taken seriously. I could be wrong though. Either way, many people suffer from the mismanagement of stalking cases in the US and it sucks.
@@poogissploogis I can see that! I wish y'all US folks all the best and you to recieve some legislation that actually protects and serves the common people!
@@xiiir838 Bro u speak for yourself Like ever heard of someone writing "first"? This is no different. Some comments get more traction than others, doesn't mean they are better.
It's pathetic that people blame Amouranth for her stalker when 99% of women with stalkers are not even online and they still get stalked for just existing. I have known several people who were stalked to their home or through public transport, women both big and skinny. It doesn't matter how baggy you dress, how much makeup you put on or how pretty you are, sometimes you just get chosen randomly and living with this reality is utterly terrifying enough, now imagine being a public figure who is beautiful and openly sexy on the Internet, it's a hundred times worse.
I had a coworker who had a stalker that was banned from the restaurant we worked at. This was just an old creepy man that was served by her once. She was DOING HER JOB AS A SERVER and she got a stalker. It happens out of the blue regardless of what the victim is doing or has done.
@@getbogged dude, I’m a server and I’m glad I never went through that. However, a friend of mine who was also a server at the time as me (she introduced me to the place), she was somewhat-harassed by this customer who only requested women. Weird, but whatever. She served him like once or twice, and all of a sudden he only wanted to be served by her. There are regulars who request certain severs, so it wasn’t a big deal. Everyone who worked there always thought he was odd, but we didn’t think anything of it because we thought he was just a weirdly nice person. Then after that, he kept on coming back only on the days *she* worked, and if she didn’t work that day for some reason or was busy, he would just leave or would wait until she could serve him. After awhile, it started to get out of hand, and she refused to serve him anymore. He would always comment about how beautiful or smart she is, and constantly ask her for a drink or dinner after she got off - even after she told him that she had a fiancé. She would politely decline his offer everytime, but when he told her that her relationship with her fiancé wouldn’t work out for many reasons he *listed,* that’s when she stopped serving him. She got a new job in another city, so she sadly doesn’t work there anymore, for other reasons, but that was the main one. But almost everytime we talk about our jobs, she asks if that guy has come back. The weird part is he only came back once, and one of the servers told him she doesn’t work there anymore, he never came back. It’s honestly weirdly concerning.
I never had a stalker but I had people cat called me multiple times and stared at me when I’m in the store. I had a guy just came up behind me (remind you I was a little girl) but I didn’t know because I had my headset on. My parents grabbed me and pulled me to them to get me away from the guy. I wear baggy clothes and never wear makeup. This is disgusting. Even on a hot day I’m scared that I wi get cat called or even worse. I can’t love what I wear :(
Once i was walking home from school and i had an older guy in a car follow me along for like a mile, asking me about the weather, the hour, where i lived and whatever he could think of to try to talk to me. I just ignored him and started walking faster, but he also drove faster and told me to hop on so he would drive me home, and when i didn't answer he began insulting me. That's where i panicked and started running as fast as i could, he tried to block my way with his car and he almost ran me over on the sidewalk, but i made it into a convenience store where i asked the clerk for help and i phoned my parents to please come get me. The guy was out there for like 10 more minutes, waiting and honking until he eventually left. I was 14. For the rest of my high school years, my parents came to pick me daily because the same guy was spotted a few more times in the area, doing the same to other girls.
So let me get this straight, the guy was stalking her had been personally streaming that shit live and even took notes on where and when he was and then tried to break into her house....and the cops didn't do shit until the break-in attempt despite the fact she probably told the cops he was streaming, they looked at it but said, "nah let's just wait till he tries breaking the door"
@@Dietrich_KaufmannHe did commit a crime... stalking is a crime my guy, and the police has sufficient evidence of it, considering he documented everything he was doing online.
My fiancé used to work at a grocery store when we first started dating in college. She was stalked all of the time. I can confirm, the police do not do anything. If it wasn’t because I had friends who were cops in the various local jurisdictions, we would have never gotten a restraining order. For those who don’t know much about stalking, the stalker rarely even understands that what they’re doing is wrong. We ended up taking this one stalker in particular to court for a restraining order. When confessing to the judge, he clearly had no remorse for the things he did or said to my fiancé. And he said some nasty, creepy stuff. Even wrote it down in letters and had them delivered anonymously while she was working. We ended up getting the restraining order from the judge no problem after the judge read the notes but restraining orders are only valid for one year. My fiancé quit her job 364 days later to avoid the stalker entirely.
that's terrible, why do restraining orders last for so little time? Do they just assume the person will get bored after a year or something? Why not make it like 5 years and see how they behave...this needs to be looked at esp. since we're in an age where it's so easy to get information about people off the internet. There needs to be harsher laws on this kind of stuff for sure.
Tbh though a restraining order is only a piece of paper. If a crazy person wants to do crazy things, a restraining order in the form of a piece of paper isn't going to stop them, I'm sorry to say. This is sadly why I would encourage every woman to at the very least take a self defense class and carry some form of bear mace. Ideally, take a firearm safety and personal protection class and get comfortable carrying a small caliber pistol in their purse. Sadly bad things happen to women all the time in case's such as your fiancé's.
There is so many cases where stalkers kill their victims. It is appalling how badly the law enforcement act on these cases. Stalkers need to be properly punished, nothing else will stop them.
well, the police is literally not there to protect anyone except themselves. The courts have established this fact time and time again. If something needs changed is a complete legal reform
This reminds me of when Meg Turney had a stalker show up to her and Gavins house with a gun intending to kill them and was shot down in their driveway. Stalkers need to be treated like the dangers they actually are. I feel so bad for her.
@@Not-Batman the police Edit: there's news articles on it if you want to read more, but Meg and Gavin prefer to not talk about it naturally; so I dont want to really go into it out of respect
@@Not-Batman Either self-inflicted or by the police when they got there, when they had a confrontation, it's a conflicting report. The stalker broke into their house with the intent to kill Gavin and take Meg, he shot their glass door to get in alerting gavin and meg who hid in a closet while he searched the house for them while they called 911
but tell me this. youre a cop. you get called and they say theirs a stalker doing whatever, you arent gonna know exactly what to do. probs why they dont take it so sreiously and then its too late. makes no sense, but dont think cops treat that crime as seriously as other crimes coz its so gradual
What's even more sad about stalking is that, in most underdeveloped and developing countries, stalking is not even viewed as a major crime. People who participate in such disgusting acts get away with doing so as many times as they please because the law allows them to do so. And even more developed countries such as South Korea only views stalking as a minor misdemeanor as recent as 2021. Laws against stalking specifically in South Korea were only implemented last year, and most speculates that it was only brought to the table after decades of postponing because of a highly publicized stalking case that was on the national news.
But how would you establish if that stalker is a dangerous one or a cowardly one? And what is the punishment that you would give them? I think there are already laws against threatening a person, what else do we need? Amoranth is a thot sucking money out of gulliable loners, so its not that i feel bad that this happened to her. I do feel bad for the other innocent women.
A victim isn't to blame but these things don't fall out of the sky either, the police should just do their fucking job. I do think that becoming an internet persona comes with risks that are simply inherent to the job, that being exposing yourself to some of the most deranged individuals in our society that you normally would never interact with or would be exposed to. It's horrible that this happens but there's risks involved with everything, busdrivers don't deserve fear of violence that is often used against them while on the job; but it's simply reality and we have to accept these risks with any line of work. Especially if you're catering on a platform filled with the lonely, socially rejected outcasts.
Its disturbing how someone can be so obsessed with another person. Especially someone you literally have no personal connection to Y'all i know what a parasocial relationship is and i know _why/how_ someone would go this far. I just find it weird lmao
My sister is currently dealing with being stalked by her abusive ex-boyfriend and the cops dont do shit and are very dismissive. The dude took a car for the dealership he worked at and sat outside my parents house for 2 days waiting for my sister when she was out of state(thankfully). The way the law handles stalking is fucking awful.
@@itsTigereye ah yes, of course. Of course they would say that. These must be the kind of people who think women owe them their bodies because they're hot and "expose" themselves. I would be very much curious to hear what these people would say if it was them, who were harassed.
My mother also had a stalker a couple of years ago. I'm not gonna explain the full story because honestly it's pretty tedious but it definitely wasn't as bad as Anita's or Amouranth's. He'd still follow her everywhere and try to talk to her, he also found out where she lives and would ring her door every other day. She went to the police 3 times and they pretty much ignored her, claiming there was nothing they could do. 3 weeks after all this started he rang the door when I was alone at her house, so I grabbed a bat and handled the situation by myself. It's been a couple years and had no more news of him. To this day, I can't think of any other way any of us could've handled the situation better, and yet, if he pressed charges against me I'd get in trouble. Victims of stalking are extremely vulnerable and I believe it's a legal problem, instead of a police one.
To be honest...i whould do the same but in an instant! Same for family member's or whould i know someone who is salking another person i whould be*t him up...and that even for free...masked ofc too... Whould do the same for random people... Ofc i could get in trouble for that but if it makes one person less horrible, self justice is sometimes the only way becouse police is oftentimes a f*cking joke! And are still paid with OUR taxes...
I am so sorry that she and you had to go through that. It’s an AWFUL experience, sometimes..direct contact is *the* only way unfortunately. If they won’t get the message, you have to show them the message.
The fact she needs armed guards to feel safe is so incredibly sad... we need better laws around these kinds of people they need to be comitted and treated for their clear mental illness wether they want to be or not
My mum was a victim of stalking for quite a while. This was the late 90s/early 2000s, so the internet was different then. But my mum's ex-husband's wife was a crazy stalker. Apparently, when my mum was in labor with me, this lady hjacked my mum's business website. She changed it to be a bunch of photoshopped nudes of my mum. This whole website was changed and trashed while my mum was in the hospital having me. Stalkers are lifeless individuals and I will never treat them as human beings. Not after what I've seen and experienced. My mum spent the past decade protecting me from internet stalkers and other dangers. I'm glad she did because this is horrifying.
I appreciate that Charlie does point out how difficult it is for law enforcement to act in situations like stalking where there's technically no "crime" yet. But when the evidence is clear and available, police NEED to step in. It's this kind of crap that makes people less likely to call police when they need to. Police should be able to be trusted as protectors, but when they fail to act, it can end tragically.
This is where the concept of "community policing" should apply. Police may not be able to arrest them, but they really should at least confront them and advise them that it's going to end badly for them if they act. It's such a weird grey area.
@@froststar2794 I'm not saying she deserves to be stalked, I'm making the argument that she is at fault for it. You have to take into account her line of work, she is a sex worker that uploads images and videos on only fans, and also streams herself with very little clothing on a gaming platform called twitch. This platform is full of tweens and also more vulnerable people whom seek to watch footage of gameplay. Twitch is strictly anti sexual content, and has even banned this person before from their platform, and changed their rules because of them and a few other "streamers" like her, making it so you're only allowed to wear bikinis in a pool or a beach. She went as far as to buy an inflatable pool and use it in her room to continue her "work". She gives more attention to the men that donate the most, often giving them the delusion that they might one day be with her. Some of these men are very sexually neglected and desperate. Whether this is moral or immoral, that's subjective, the question is, is it her fault that she's getting stalkers? Knowing what her work entails, having millions of male viewers and exploiting their sexual desires, she could have used the millions of dollars she makes from her twitch streams to buy a home with better security, or better security measures in her current house, or at the very least avoid exposing her real location to online strangers.
Questions I still have: How fucking cold hearted and careless do you have to be to not help a TEENAGER calling for help against a stalker, fine them, and still not help until the stalker’s work is done? (The stalker killed this teenager.) I do get that specific acts of events that can be considered stalking can’t be acted upon. But it begs the question, what is considered to be an act of stalking that can be acted upon? Because (According to the video) the stalker had weapons on him while streaming himself stalking her and was even caught with weapons when arrested, but was only released A DAY after this? This was after ignoring her and saying that she was wasting police time, and when they sent someone, it took over half an hour. If this stalker had major intentions to kill her, or even had a firearm, she would’ve definitely been killed in that time if the stalker wanted to. But this was still not enough to send concern to the authorities. Does the stalker have to shoot guns at them for police to respond? Even then, it would be converted to attempted murder, not stalking. Just judging by the stories mentioned, the people getting stalked and telling police about it seem to get punished instead of the stalker, you know, THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY CONTACTED AUTHORITIES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
@@scazab6408 I only say that because I had a shitty gf one time that would disappear for days at a time and when I finally showed up and caught her at my buddies house(came home early from work) she freaked out and called the police saying I was following her and was trying to hurt her. In reality she was living with me and was texting me all day at work as normal. Because of these one sided laws I had to go to court and it was only in court that the details came out and the judge literally got mad at my ex for lying and using laws made to protect her to hurt someone else and dismissed the whole thing. So it is very easy for a woman to use these laws against someone just because they are caught in a lie or want revenge.
@@scazab6408 no it got threw out so I never got in any trouble or anything. There was literally texts from her that day were we talked about what to eat for supper that night. So I literally couldn't have been stalking her cause I thought she was at my house at the time. I just decided to come home early cause I just had a feeling and noticed she wasn't home.
@@scazab6408 but really my point is that these laws need to be carefully thought out as not to victimize men because I was almost victimized by a POS cheating woman who was mad because she knew her source of income( me) was leaving forever .
The fact that stalking is rarely punished breeds more stalkers. Why would someone not stalk when the worst that usually happens is a slap on the wrist by the cops then you're set free?
@@kidmosey What? That reasoning is so stupid, I honestly have no words. While what you said, unfortunately, is true when it comes to what actually happens in today's world, it should not be the norm. Law enforcement is literally there to not only punish people who break the law, but also prevent that. If what you said was the norm, people would just do whatever the fuck they want (as they do nowadays), and then they suffer the consequences, sure, but people may have died for example in the meantime. Try to imagine a situation with a mass shooter. If the cops waited for said shooter to shoot at someone in order to arrest him, they'd enforce the law, but they'd let a person die. You see how stupid that is? Also, stalking itself is a crime, so the police wasn't even punishing the criminal in this case.
This shit is downright horrifying. If you look at the type of thing that happened to Christina Grimmie (and others) these stalkers are no fucking joke. They need to be arrested and taken into custody for psyche eval.
@@ahardworker2154 she was a viral youtuber who made really great music and she had like a fan meet up or something and someone showed up with a gun and killed her and was stopped by her brother and someone else, and then the shooter killed himself ill edit this if i got anything wrong
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 either extremely obvious bait or needing of therapy if you truly think being a pedophile is ok i suggest you get therapy before you violate a child
It boggles my mind that law enforcement act exactly like teachers when it comes to bullies in school it seems when it comes to stalkers. Ridiculous that there's nothing that can be done in cases like these.
@@aaronnbothner3714 because literally no human being deserves to fear being raped and murdered in their own homes? And that's literally the most basic of the reasons
I had a teacher in high school who was stalked and almost raped and killed. Thankfully she was able to fight him off and he was later arrested. It's scary and sad that we live in a world where shit like this happens.
Stalking needs to be taken more seriously. I had a stalker for 4 years in college. Wherever I went I could never feel safe or let my guard down. I informed the school of this but they did nothing. In his fourth year of the college he ended up r*ping another girl after a night where I told him off again. He still continued to go to the school after that and still graduated with me. It’s not just a streamer issue but an issue that needs to be taken more seriously all around.
You said had, so I'm assuming you got out of that situation, but I'm wondering, is the r@ped girl still... alive? And even after doing that, no one stopped him? I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I went to the police after being sexually assaulted by my friend/roommate in my sleep... TWICE and nothing happened.
Hold on a minute, so you are saying this person did what you said, as an adult, with it being, apparently, publicly known, and they didn't get thrown in jail?
Even before the internet, they've never done anything about stalking. "We can't do anything until an actual crime is committed." Except then when a crime is committed it's a lot of victim blaming or "If only we'd known maybe we could have done something to stop the stalker." It's a classic case of law enforcement refusing to actually help people because they aren't constitutionally required to protect anyone.
To me when it comes to police not intervening with stalkers, it's similar to how shooters have a history of being a nuisance and exhibiting dangerous behavior, but yet no one in power that can stop it or curtail it does anything, so the issue gets worse and worse and worse until an explosion happens.
You're absolutely right. Law enforcement doesn't actually care about protecting their communities they get paid either way edit: I'm not talking about individual workers. There's only so much a single person can do
The most chilling part is "liar liar fiancée" Jesus. Christ. This guy has ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED himself that this streamer who has actively denounced him and asked him to stop that somehow he and her are in a relationship. This is such a disgusting "can't take no for an answer" kind of mentality that is so unstable and can't be reasoned with and that's so scary
Mental illness is serious business. He needs gratuitous amounts of therapy. Whether or not that includes getting his ass beat once or twice is up for discussion.
The best advice I got from a dispatcher (who actually cared) was don't go home, go to the closest police station. I was stalked for a while by a man, while I was bartending at a club. He would try to follow me home and the cops were no help and thought I was asking for it because of my job. But the dispatcher would stay on the phone with me until I got to the station and walked in. It became such a routine to stop at that station, that who ever was working the night desk would have coffee waiting.
This is so sad🥺the fact that it had to become a routine, to the point where coffee was waiting for you. Thats a nice gesture in such a shitty situation. I hope youre well♡ sending love
@@whoisrune That was in the late '90s, shortly after I left the military. People were just waking up to how bad stalking could be, even though it had been a problem for decades. What is sad to me that this still isn't taken as seriously as it should be. Oh, and my stalker thought I was married to a cop, so eventually vanished. LOL
It's basically the equivalent of the FNAF games. They are in these incredibly dangerous situations and they don't do anything to help except leave you at the hands of the tools you can use to keep them out.
Honestly, the police get so up in arms when people pursue vigilante justice, but refuse to do anything in this sort of situation. It might be the police, it might be the failure of legislation to properly cover these crimes, I don't know enough about the laws in the US to say. But this is disgusting and I hope the streamers being targeted can find some way to protect themselves properly.
There's always going to be some bad cops however this is mostly a laws issue. They can't really arrest someone on the idea they might do something. There has to be a law broken and I lot of people don't understand that so they blame the cops. Officers are in a tight spot most of the time. Simply trying to do their job while also being hated by people, lied to and harassed themselves. There needs to be a universal stalking law in place that makes this kind of behavior an escalating issue. Initially being treated as someone just going too far for a minute then escalating very quickly after. Keeps people from bothering them again who are just weird and actually don't mean harm in the end while also pinning out dangerous people by allowing them to do something.
Charlie mentioned the attempted break in happened in Houston. Since the pandemic and even alittle before, emergency response has been so fucked up. Had to call 911 about a year ago and it was for my grandmother who fell and split her head. I was able to stop the bleeding but i was on hold for 15 mins and it took ems another 15 mins to get to the house. Literally if she didnt teach me how to react, ahe used to be a nurse for 40 yrs, she wouldve needed more than just a few stitches. Its a big problem with legislature and the organization of the emergency response department
@@Bannith Yeah agreed. I didn’t mean this to come off as an attack on the police in general, and it’s interesting that you have said it’s more about the coverage of laws in this area. I guess him shocked there aren’t more laws in place to protect people from escalating stalking issues.
Someone please tell "Sweet Anita" that she can hire an attorney that does victim's rights advocacy. Most people don't even know that this is an option. She doesn't need to quit her job.
I've really wanted to stream for years now but this is exactly what makes my anxiety skyrocket. I have a stalker from just walking my dog around, just saw me at the local parks and now I spot him everywhere taking pics and trying to figure out my dog walking routes. I've caught multiple strangers also taking pics and vids of me just walking my dog. I don't show my face on the internet because of this. It's saddens me and disturbs me, no one asks for permission or even approaches me to try to be nice or say hello. Just hide, follow, record and hide.
Tbh, get some friends with you. Try to confuse them by taking random dog walking routes and paths. I don’t know much about avoiding stalkers n such, but I believe that there are 3 options to this. 1. Bring friends or tell people you trust about it. 2. Get authorities involved, but tbh they prob won’t do much unless they confront the stalker taking pics of u. 3. Get your friends or go yourself, and when you see the stalker in the park, confront them and make sure people around you see. Although I prob wouldn’t if u believe the stalker is armed or will use violence. But this is just my opinion, which tbh, might be dumb stuff I’m telling you. But if your being stalked and you don’t trust what I’m saying which is understandable since I’m just a random guy saying my opinion, get a professional’s advice about dealing with stalkers.
@@nic_aya did you read the original comment? they were worried about being stalked and i gave them advice on how to avoid stalking on the internet. its not victim blaming, read the dang comment
All the incels in the comments saying that she should “just move” or “needs to stop initiating parasocial relationships” are legitimately insane. Like…. y’all need to do some self reflection and ask yourself if you really want to be that kind of guy.
its really sad too, because you can tell these types are just deeply unhappy and lonely but then all sympathy i could have had for them dries up like Cali as soon as they open their mouths.
This reminds me of the Cindy James murder. Cindy was living alone and some dude who she never even saw began harassing her and eventually began cutting her phone lines, breaking windows, breaking IN, and eventually killing her while she was hog tied, partially strangled and shot up on drugs. She called the police several times and they eventually just ignored her. She also moved cities over and over
@@sadiethegreat the whole case makes me upset. The police claims she was lying about the whole thing for attention. And when she's finally murdered, it's still her trying to get attention. Their whole attitude concerning the case is disgusting.
My mom had a stalker for five years back in the 80s. Following her to work, lurking outside her house, confronting her in parking lots, the works. The cops say they can’t do anything for her. So the cops solution? They literally told her next time he shows up at your house, shoot him and drag his body into the house, then call us so it will seem like he broke in. That way the cops would be able to say it was self defense and she wouldn’t be arrested. They did NOTHING. They told my terrified mom she had to MURDER her stalker herself and drag his body into her home, and then the police would do her a favor by not arresting her for it. I was beyond shocked hearing that. I just can’t believe that nearly half a century later the police are still so completely useless when it comes to PROTECTING PEOPLE
Funny, I was just about to make a comment about almost the same situation about my grandma in the 70's. Her drunk ex would break in the door and had to be beat back and they'd only arrest him for drunk and disorderly. He'd be out on bail and back at the house within hours. They gave her the same bad advise, almost verbatim. It's almost like it's in the manual somewhere to direct victims to become vigilantes to avoid the work on their end.
So she could have shot him and dragged his body in? What's the problem in my country they'd laugh at you and if you actually killed the stalker they'd put you in prison.
@@impyrobot oh they will here too, just depends on the case/cops/investigators/how they feel that day/etc. I think OP’s scenario was more easy to get away with back in the day, but nowadays i wouldn’t be so sure... the American criminal justice system is more than a little lacking in the ‘justice’ department 🫤
This reminds me of how the Texas government said during the infamous deep freeze a couple years ago "the government and police does not exist to help you" like what the fuck does it exist for then?????
As a woman who was stalked for 13 years and I really thought when he came after me with the knife that it was over for my son and me, I can tell you there is not much help out there from authorities. A restraining order is a piece of paper and that is it. Cops don't even have to enforce it btw which is a bunch of BS. The laws have gotten a little better because now the officer can choose to press charges himself and not the victim. Before the woman had to do it and face the assailant later when they got out. Things need to change even further so less people end up murdered.
@@ittybits Its a two edged sword. On the one hand, yes it would reduce victims ability to defend themselves, on the other hand it would also significantly reduce the risk of stalkers owning guns. And if I had to make a choice I would much rather want a stalker with a knife on them than a stalker with a gun on them, although of course I'd much rather have neither which is why the police have to do their fucking jobs.
@@TheLegalPlayer “To protect and serve” was always in reference to the Law. Not the people, that is a misconception. Tell me this, if the stalker had the choice to have a gun on him, you also have that choice to have a gun on you. Wouldn’t you rather the fight be equal than your fist vs his/her knife when they break into your house?
@@TheLegalPlayer I wish cops would save people more too. I don’t defend any of their actions. It’s just the reality is nobody is going to save you like you would save yourself. Point blank period.
Victim: “Help, this person has been camping outside my house for 4 months, stalks me every time I leave, stuffing letters in my mailbox of threats, and even tried assaulting me on multiple accounts!” Cops: Yeah, but are you dead yet? That’s what I thought, suck it up.” (*victim gets murdered by stalker*) Cops (addressing the public): this death was such a shame. If only there were signs that this person was dangerous to them.
Police on LA are so useless for stalkers. It has been a problem for decades, They say "we're not here to prevent crimes, we catch people who commit them" and it's such a scummy thing
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I find it EXTREMELY concerning that Twitch took down the stalkers stream (multiple times I am assuming based on the wording) and didn't feel the need to pass the information along to local authorities? Amazon has always had an issue of being so massive and trying to be in every market that they ALWAYS end up under delivering where it matters most. Amazon, and Twitch need to make sweeping changes to their services.
Amazon just owns twitch to avoid taxes, Twitch is just 3rd party company running on its own trying to not get shut down by amazon if they don't pull out their weight. If it was not founded by Amazon, they only care what they report to their stockholders.
@@Maelstromme I guess you never knew twitch before amazon. It was down all the time and was unwatchable, at least it works now and doesn't drop frames every 2 seconds.
I love how cops complain about everyone hating on cops now, yet you got these cases where police just actively let people get hurt. In my eyes those cops are morally complicit to the crimes the stalkers commit. Dudes can profile people from their skin colour, yet can't piece together the clues that the dude who repeatedly wanders around a girls house with a knife might be dangerous?
listen I think the situation is really fucked, but its not the cops fault, or americas fault, or the worlds fault. Its the stalkers fault. There are so many stalker cases if the police followed every single one of them they wouldnt be able to do anything else. You need to understand that you cant blame everything in one entity and thats it. We just dont have enough resources. What I think would be a solution is a law that allows people to either shoot or kill or assault stalkers without repercussions as long as they have evidence they were being stalked, if they were really being stalked they would have more than enough proof.
One thing I heard that sticks with me, "police are here to respond to a crime that's ALREADY happened." This is why I got licensed to carry a gun and actively carry everywhere I go.
My stalker sent a 50lbs package to me through the local police station. The same police station where I had them call and give her two no contact warnings. They said because she sent it to me through the police station and not my home address she technically didn’t break the order. Two months later she lied about who she was to my university, got my address, and showed up at my door with flowers. The police said they couldn’t arrest her because I don’t have a formal protection order and they wouldn’t issue a protection order because I don’t have her current address. The only way I can maybe get a restraining order is by reporting every incident, going to the courthouse, and filing a formal charge. THEN the police can retrieve her current address and serve her...then she can counter the charge and end up costing me thousands in court. What’s worse is I’m afraid to go forward with any of it because I’m worried it will piss her off enough to deliberately break the order, something she’s likely to try doing. Not only that, she’s from out of state and the order would only be good for the state I currently live in. I want to move after college and will probably have to go through it all again wherever I go. The advice the police gave me was to get a ring doorbell and a lock off of Amazon. To give you an indication of the kind of police I’m dealing with, I should mention I don’t live far from Akron, Ohio.
Maaaan police in Ohio don’t give a fuck. Last year my sisters friend had a dude over and he ended up staying the night and leaving early asf. Come to find out he took her new custom hand gun that she was about to sign for THAT DAY. She wasn’t too worried, she figured he would’ve just sold it cuz the night before he was tryna see it and apparently didn’t know shit about shit, anyway, her my sister and I are tryna call the police and at the very least get a report going and instead of “911 what’s your emergency?” We get an IMMEDIATE interruption like “if it’s an immediate emergency please hold” and we sat there for a good 5-10 minutes like god forbid somebody was getting killed
I completely agree with what you said about the “nothing left to lose” mentality. Making final arrangements like that takes a good amount of time, yet he didn’t waver. She’s very fortunate, I think this easily could have been a tragedy. It’s disagraceful how lightly law enforcement takes these cases.
@@catsinburg8626 Eh, I don't normally reply to them but the fact that either someone is manually copy/pasting this type of shit or they made a bot promoting sexualizing underage children is absolute disgusting. I've never seen one of these TH-cam mass commenter promoting and supporting child abuse so I decided to make fun of them before reporting them. I can ignore those bots promoting their TH-cam account, but it's hard to ignore someone advocating for this type of shit.
just makes a even BETTER argument for the right to self defense....."nO oNe NeEdS a GuN" woman being actively stalked for months calls 911 because the guy is trying to break into her residence - gets put on hold and cops arrive 33 mins later. imagine what could have happened in 33 mins......
I just want to say, I love all these comments not blaming the streamer for "creating" these environments. My heart also goes out to anyone who has or are dealing with stalkers and similar situations. It's not a joke, it's such a serious issue that needs to be taken as such. No one should have to live their life in fear or stop it all together because someone is clearly a threat and not being stopped. Absolutely disheartening.
In her case, she does indeed facilitate a "community" of deprived, mentally unstable pathetic men. Does that make the issue any less serious? Of course not. But don't act surprised if you do something every day that jeopardizes your wellbeing and safety and act dumbfounded as to why it happens. She would do amazing if she stuck to only fans, yet she chooses to lick mics on stream for hours on end where there's insane foot traffic, bringing in these sick demented men.
Saw Philly D talk about this and those tweets annoyed me to my core. Just because someone shows their body does not mean they should have to deal with a stalker. Nobody should have to deal with a stalker. Hopefully this situation is done and over with now
Well to be fair, if you're a sex worker like this person that uploads pornographic content to onlyfans and very sexual content to twitch, of course there will be some incel creeps that will want more than just visual satisfaction, she should have taken more steps to protect her privacy or invested in a house with more security (she makes a lot of money), I'm not justifying what her stalker is doing but it doesn't seem like it would be uncommon to have stalkers as a popular sex worker
Someone needs to tell her that she can hire an attorney that does victim's rights advocacy. I recently hired a law firm and I'm finally being taken seriously after 4 years of suffering. I'm reposting this because I want to help this girl.
The scariest thing about stalkers is that the situation WILL escalate if nothing is done. I've seen this happen time and time again. Even if the victim doesn't end up dead, it still leaves you with trauma and feeling unsafe in your own home. Absolutely ridiculous.
@Redimere Payne Yeah its pretty crazy tbh, glad your case panned out alright for the most part, but some people don't know how to stop and that is when they become most dangerous. And in many cases, the only thing that stopped them was personal defense or another person stepping in and forcing the stalker by physical force. Disturbing.
Omfg I watched this video yesterday Night and I swear to God I got a package from somone in Africa who messaged me on Xbox, I literally just told then that I didn't know them and to please not message me. The swore that they were 12 and really nice but also asked if I had a mic so we could talk. I do have a mic but didn't want to talk and he deleted all his messages when I told him to leave me alone. That was like 3 days ago, the package went through customs and was addressed to me by my name. My uncle is a police officer and he told me that he most likely was trying to groom me by sending me gifts and sending me a mic so we could talk and I could warm up to him. I NEVER thought that this would happen to me but it's fking terrifying. This man knows where I live and what my name is, he clearly has money for an Xbox and can easily sell that stuff just like how Charlie describes in the video and get a plane ticket and fly to my house, town, state and find me. It's highly unlikely but also very possible.
@Redimere Payne yes, I'm under the age of 18 and my account of Xbox looks like a 5 year olds account (I made the account when I was 7 and so the pfp and name just look childish) I have thought about changing my pfp but I like my name but now idk what to do
BrookeAB is another streamer who has her life ruined by multiple stalkers continuing to issue death threats against her. She's in a relationship all her stalkers try to ruin (boyfriend get as many death threats as she does), can't ever go out without heavy protection and always has to make sure no one knows where she is / will be. When she's on streams with other creators they always have to make sure that 1. their location isn't leaked and 2. they're out of there the second stream ends, just in case one of the stalkers knows where they are. Public appearances like TwitchCon are impossible for her. Just imagine how horrible that must be. Just because she's a woman on the internet and some deranged guys find her stream. And while police have acted in Brooke's case, it obviously wasn't enough as her situation isn't getting any better.
oh shit, Brooke is super sweet, I had no idea her situation was this bad. This is so unbelievably fucked up, it's insane that someone's situation can get this bad and still nothing is done.
This is disturbing. Stalking is a bigger problem than ever, particularly due to parasocial relationships. Most streamers have their bread and butter on parasocial relationships, and when you have thousands or tens of thousands of viewers there's bound to be some with issues, some who don't understand boundaries, some with mental health problems, et cetera.
Honestly, you can control parasocial relationships easily if you are smart. The reason twitch streamers and shit are targeted is because there brain dead thots unable to decern the audience they are attracting.
My gf had a stalker when i met her, after we started dating i basically told the guy to fuck off or else... Fortunately this person turned out to be a coward because they did fuck off. Also sorry when you mentioned Amouranth had armed guards and the guy still tried to break in i just had that one song that goes like: "Ain't nothing gonna break my stride, ain't nothing gonna hold me down, oh no." On a loop in my head, i pictured this dude walking up to the place with that tune until it suddenly stops when he gets some hot lead to the dome(head). That's rather dark but i thought it was funny.
Yeah that's basically all you can do is take it into your own hands cuz police don't give a shit. It's the equivalent of the FNAF games. Just leaving a guy in an obviously bad situation that could kill him and all he has to defend himself is what he can use.
This is what happens when people get so attached to their favorite streamer. Even Charlie has some weirdos that Unironically think he’s the greatest human on the planet and they quiver when he uploads and shit. It’s what happens when the streamer treats the audience like they are all very close personal friends, instead of an audience. Twitch is basically the best place for parasocial relationships to form. Remember y’all, you don’t know the streamer. Y’all aren’t friends.
Stuff like this is what turned my friend into a pro-gun advocate. A psycho was banging on her door and cops would not come. She's a 5 foot girl who lives in a ghetto area. Thing is, they constitutionally do not have obligation to "Save you" from murder. Supreme Court has ruled that multiple times. For some reason, people still think cops are there to save you. No. They just have responsibility to capture criminals after the fact, when it's safe and convenient to do so. SWAT will deal with armed criminals but if you really want to be safe you're gonna just have to arm yourself and/or live with someone who knows how to defend the household. They'll come over and draw chalk around your dead body though.
From what I've been told. Unless there's extremely red hand evidence with threats and stalking, it's extremely hard to make legitimate arrests on stalkers. The best defense is a good offense in this case.
@@chaffeecityusa1129 That’ll just make it worse 😂😂😂 fund the police and give them programs and staff so they can combat stalkers without having to just toss it aside and move onto the next serious crime
I can’t even imagine what goes through the minds of these people. Like even if you, god forbid, actually meet the person you’re stalking, what the hell are you expecting will happen? What the fuck?
I think for them it’s like an episode. I don’t believe they’re in their right mind when they’re doing this and it probably stems from a traumatic event like the loss of a loved one or financial stress.
They're delusional. They believe one of two things will happen: A. the streamer they're stalking will suddenly fall in love with them and they'll live happily ever after or B. They'll finally get their chance to enact whatever violent fantasies they have (like in the case of Sweet Anita.) It's literally something that's near-impossible to comprehend as a sane individual.
I think the "point" of the stalking and the violation of boundaries is that it's a cheap way to get attention and acknowledgement from the person they are obsessing over. It's not necessarily about having an end goal. By constantly harassing the streamer, they insert themselves without that person's life. They become an active subject of discussion and may even push the streamer into taking certain life decisions (e.g. living alone, gated community, etc)
@@randomnpc445 Yeah I do behavioural science and you're exactly right. You can't think of stalkers as rational decision-makers. They become more dangerous the more their delusion is threatened. It's also one of the most paradoxical experiences as trying to get away from a stalker is when they're most dangerous, but doing nothing won't deter their behaviour either.
restraining orders are bad too, because you have to inform your stalker where they can't be... which they obviously won't listen to. It's basically a game of "I'm over here but don't touch me teehee". Stalking should be a crime. It's amazing to me how deranged shit like this gets no attention from law enforcement
Amouranth should have said "I will shoot the stalker if you do not come" when she called police. That would have got them to come since they seem to care more about protecting the criminal than the victim nowadays.
@@imdonemakingnewaccounts7311 thats not how the castle doctrine works. You cant go around shooting people in your house for no reason. Simply stalking is not a lethal threat.
@@generalspaz3668 YES YOU CAN IF THEYRE IN YOURE HOUSE ”just go around you’re house shooting” What the fuck are you talking about “just go around” like they’re in YOURE house uninvited so theyre intruders and even IF she got arrested you’re pure delusional if you think she doesn’t have a good chance of winning in court
“To protect and serve”, hits a little different when you know they aren’t gonna do anything. Police want the public to like them and yet they continue to show they’re inability to protect or serve
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She should've said that the man has a camera. They would've scrambled all forces. Apparently, a camera is bigger threat to national security and the people than a guy shooting up a school.
"to protect and serve" is actually not part of their oath at all. They have no legal obligation to protect you. You pay them with your taxes and they repay you by protecting their own interests over anything else. They're there for the paycheck and a power trip. Don't trust them.
Their job isn't to "protect and serve" how most bootlickers think it is. Their job is to uphold the law, and that's it. If no laws have been broken, their hands are clean. They are not here to protect you, they are here to make money for the state. The end. The supreme court has ruled a hundred times over that if you get hurt, they aren't to blame. Unless you are in their custody.
It's crazy how Stalkers even exist. How can someone be so obsessed with another person that they would be willing to haunt their victims every waking moment? to make them afraid for their lives?
This is why I'm so scared of the world I'm only 17 and already dealt with a couple stalkers. I mean my first job I ever got a 30 year old man was creeping on me and saying he couldn't wait till I was 18 and asking what my taste in men was like wtf! I immediately quit my job after that. Ever since I've been scared! Not to mention the horror stories my mom tells me about that happens to her everyday at work!
Carry lead rounds, take some handgun classes and get your CCW permit. Better to have it and not need it vs need it and not have it when officers aren't willing to intervene until his hands are on you. Stay safe.
that is sooooo weird, hope nothing happens to you. I am a 31 woman and old and all still have creeps around. I learnt krav maga and how to shoot, also how to fight with knives. ITS THEM OR US
Yeah, and it probably gets worse if one is in a smaller town where the can more easily find you going about day-to-day lives. It's really concerning that this is an issue, and it should be far more strongly punished than it actually is in more places.
I was stalked in high school by this really tall guy, he literally stood outside classrooms and shit. I eventually had to tell him off, but it went on for a month before it actually happened because I had no idea what to do. They always tell students what to do when dealing with bullying, or any action that has already happened, yet never explain how to prevent it such as stalking.
That is a terrible situation, and I know you probably have some more trust issues now, but hang in there, I don’t know what else to say, I’m just some guy on the internet. Hope you are doing well 🙂
My story isn’t as severe, but my online friends and I started crew and we recruited a guy named Zach. He had some anger and mental issues and the problems that he would cause in our crew led to his removal. Since then, he stalked us online by joining any game we’d play and this continued for 4 months. He was just a nuisance really and not much of a threat but the fact that he would constantly join our game sessions for months on end was kinda ridiculous
But most games you need to friend/party/lobby password or blocking them. I can only imagine games with something like 64player servers being an issue but how would he even know you are online
I had a minor case a while back too. One of my peers in college became fixated on my senior animation project, but was kinda an unpleasant person to be around. After graduation I cut off contact. He proceeded to evade my blocks and continuously try to contact me and draw me things for months. He also became fixated on my friend, through sheer association with me, found her place of work, and showed up looking for her multiple times. Luckily her workplace is a government-owned building, so they're taking things seriously enough to ban him from the premises. But it's just been really stressful, a lot of little things that build up. Just when you start getting comfortable enough to forget it ever happened, he pops up again trying to insert himself into your life. Thankfully I've moved away so I'm at least a little safer from dealing with that creep, but my friend is still living and working in the same place. It's been a year and we're still having incidents. It sucks, I feel you my man
So I know these streamers aren't sex workers, but I noticed the police reacted (or rather, failed to react) in the same way they fail to react if a sex worker is stalked or harassed or even attacked. It's honestly...a lot, when the cops don't see you as worthy of protecting.
This kind of bs is so intolerable. I'm not a streamer, but I am a female gamer. I had a stalker from a guild in game, who I tried to tell politely that I had a bf (who played the same game, in the same guild, who he knew and saw me spend every moment of my time with - no f'ing confusion should've been there) and our 'friendship' had to end because things were getting really weird. He proceeded to "ghost" in my boyfriend/my private discord channel, wherein we were the only members. We were telling each other how much we loved each other one night in voice, suddenly a familiar voice from our guild YELLS and starts screaming and crying... we both knew it was him by his voice. He didn't show up as "in the chat" though. Who knows how long he was in there creeping before he revealed himself. Within 48 hours I was hacked and a discord smurf posted photos of me, my family, etc. that were nowhere online, just on my computer, and had all my personal info. Even a photo of me by a dying loved one's side in their final days in the hospital. Then the threatening messages came. I called the police as soon as I was hacked and they acted soooooo concerned, I also contacted discord about the situation. Guess what... nothing done at all. This sicko posted photos and all my info in multiple discord channels with over 20k members... and made me scared to game or talk to anyone online for years. It took ages to overcome the trauma, and the police didn't do anything... though they pretended to care (even had a cybercrime investigator talk to me). It was so traumatic and in the end, nothing happened to him. My life just was turned upside down with no repercussions.
@@kyokotakoya7257 Well the pay is irellevant when people arent doing their jobs. Especially when that job can have life threatening consequences or lead to ptsd, obviously there is something wrong with the system in which they solve certain crimes or focus on certain crimes, but to say the same people that you would call during say...a mass shooting are overpaid because some are incompetent is just tribalist at that point. Think of it this way, a politician doesnt get paid what THEY believe is worth 'running a country', what do they do? Change the laws so that they could launder in money somehow, so we reduce the pay and it encourages the politicians to be even more corrupt. When it comes to these public service jobs that are quite high intensity and extremely necessary, its not as simple as firing a goddamn walmart worker, its an odd balance, incentivizing people to want to serve the public while having them do their job correctly. We dont do it completely right, but the whole defunding bullshit definitely is part of the wrong and solves none of the issues that caue people justify defunding.
From the time she called the police to the time that they got there, she could've been killed 3 times over. It's ridiculous and terrifying how little law enforcement does in cases of stalking.
I was a small time streamer, living in the uk. I’m male, so this is one of those rare cases. Was streaming one night when some woman (I didn’t know it at the time, but she was around my age) subbed to me and said hi, so I said hi back and continued with my stream. I noticed that she’d join my stream, and donate to me a lot more often after I said hi. She told me my face looked beautiful and how she’d date me, so I was getting pretty weirded out. Skip a few months and this random 14 year old girl is at my door, I ask her what’s up and she asks me if I’m (insert my old twitch user) so I said yes and her face Lit up. Bear in mind she was American so I’m assuming she travelled here from there. After that she’d continue coming to my house, I told her to stop but she didn’t, it got bad to the point where she’d try to drag me out and kiss me. She got taken away in the end but I still don’t feel safe today.
This is insane. The fact she has armed guards already is concerning. I'm guessing she deals with something like this a lot. People are so fucked up sometimes. I feel bad for people in these situations, especially when law enforcement seems to do jack shit. So much for protect and serve.
she is a sex worker, she sells pornographic content on only fans and does very sexual asmr videos on twitch, and she's very popular so she has a lot of horny male viewers. (she has even been temporarily banned on twitch for revealing too much skin/licking the microphone almost naked). She has the right to do what she wants of course but she should consider that making these kinds of content for millions of horny males could get her stalkers, but she's not privacy conscious at all (livestreaming near her home, etc) of course the stalkers are to blame but she should also take some precautions, if not investing in a more secure home at least being more privacy conscious like some youtubers such as pewdiepie do
this is fucking terrifying to think about experiencing. Charlie, the main reason cops don’t prevent this kind of violence is because they’re only obligated to punish crime, not to prevent it
Oh right. Arrest people with vague evidence for years in death row to find out when they’re in their 80s that they didn’t do the crime, instead of arresting people with CLEAR as water evidence and waiting till the person is dead to do something. And guess what? They don’t even stay longer than 25 years. Sometimes I think people are actual trolls even irl. Absolute madness.
At least in the US it's how the law works, apparently. The police legally can refuse to help individuals even when there's a million red flags or if they're in actual danger. There's many horror stories about how social workers couldn't get law enforcement to remove children from parents and the kids getting killed by them shortly after, or them not doing anything about kidnapping cases, or the recent shooting in Texas even. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that by extension the same thing happens with stalking.
In nearly all cases that anyone cares about, the police have no legal requirement to do anything. You can call them and tell them someone is threatening you with a knife, and it is legal for them to say "fuck that, I ain't getting stabbed" and nope out. They have more legal duty to protect actual prisoners than normal people.
currently being stalked by my ex boyfriend, this stuff is really scary, he has made multiple alternative accounts on social media in attempts to speak to me, but whenever i block a new account just pops up. im terrified of how it affected my relationships with my friends, family and current boyfriend (at one point i was worried that having a stalker would scare him away). im in the process of getting a restraining order because this is absolutely unacceptable.
I went through that too, stalker wouldn’t leave me alone for almost three years afterwards making new accounts and leaving scary voicemails and endless new numbers. It’s so horrifying. I’m so sorry this is happening to you and I hope everything works out and you are safe!!
LegalEagle just covered this on a separate topic but, as awful as it is, the police are under no obligation to actually protect you. They are only there to enforce the law when it is broken.
@@joeyatkin9984 isn't the point of government to protect the citizens? The US constitution is based on enlightenment ideals in France at the time, of which the social contract seemed to directly inspire some of it. Where the government, in exchange for the citizen's rights and freedoms, offers protection for them and their property. Something like that. If nobody can/should rely on the government for safety, why have a government at all? At least theoretically.
And they only protect the assets/capital of the ruling class/elite so they'll happily beat you if you touch the windows of a bank for example. Always has been this way, even before democracy and capitalism.
I have a friend who is very well known in cosplay circles. She has had the same stalker for over 10 years now. They've assumed her identity on social media pages and lewd sites, and have sold chat/phone sessions with themselves playing her. They've lost her jobs because of accusing her of the crime he committed against *her* and other defamatory statements made publicly. Law enforcement doesn't do a damn thing. They don't care.
I have friends that this has happened to. It’s genuinely terrifying, and I still can’t comprehend how stalkers can justify their behavior. They genuinely need help.
Same thing applied to the law enforcement in Japan. They won’t do shit until someone gets either murdered/assaulted. Even if they call the cops when someone is stalking/groping them, they would occasionally say “Are you hurt? Do you get physically assaulted? No? Then grow tf up.” Edit: Despite Amouranth earn a huge ton of money. That kind of career will always draw risk of attention from stalkers whether they hate it or not
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Makes me remember the absolutely disgusting junko situation. The fact that the perpetrators are free right now, and even the mother of one of the abusers defiled junko's memorial because she "ruined my child's life". Actual monsters
My fiance is a police dispatcher and he actually gets pissed off and demands officers go back to stalker calls and take them seriously. The police do not take these calls seriously at all. I have a stalker problem myself that has left me with a lot of mental problems, and the only advice I can give anyone is to never leave the house alone. It will cripple you and hinder your ability to enjoy life, but that's the only thing I've been able to do to maintain my safety.
your husband is doing amazing work, i cannot begin to imagine how terrifying having a stalker is, and then to have police fucking ignore me about it? id go insane, buy a gun and probably get arrested bc of paranoia induced gun mis-use
It really sucks in Houston, where charlie mentioned this was happening, since there was an incident when my gf had to call the police for someone being disruptive and harassing other people at her job. She works in between two nightclubs at a gas station and there are alot of creeps that try to get all up in some woman's bussiness. She used to call the cops, but they avg took about an hour to come by when her and her coworkers wouldve already had handled the situation. Emergency response has been so fucked in texas these past few years
Law enforcement doesn't respond to stalked streamers, even with their stalker trying to break into their house. But swatting? they love swatting!. They will swat a streamer based on any anonymous calls, no questions asked.
I keep saying that SWAT calls should have to have identity confirmation. If you really believe there are people with guns and trying to go hurt people, you should be just fine with giving the police your name when you call for their help. If you can’t give your name then it’s obviously not that important. The police can simply just not release your name if you’re for real.
SWAT is different than the police you see driving around. A completely different branch and team of police. Generalizing the obviously two different branches make no sense. Civil force police officers do not respond to swatting calls. A specific SWAT force is sent. Civil force police officers are the ones who are sent for stalking cases. What this tells you, these civil force officers need reform. SWAT are responsible and accountable for their specific job.
You can tell this has gone too far if a Twitch streamer needs a personal security guard. That's so fucked up, I hope that guy goes to jail or at least gets deported
The only reason I could think of that he'd bring a saxophone is so he can busk for money and not starve, but if he sold his house, short term cash flow shouldn't be an issue. Super suspicious.
I think he definitely could have brought it for bad reasons but i think it's also likely that he just wanted to keep playing saxophone, musicians get super attatched to their instruments
Him selling everything of his then going there makes me think he’s planning on doing a “if I can’t have her, no one will” type of thing so this is terrifying.
Thanks for talking about this! To clarify the guy did assault me and there was a whiteness, but the police didn't press charges. Another time they took a knife off him while he was on his way (drunk) to my house and let him go. Two men had to restrain him when he followed me into a shop and chased me. They took him in for one night and let him go. I can't have a gun because I have tourettes and it wouldn't be safe for me to use one. The police have just suggested that I quit my streaming career because they would rather I quit my job then have to actually do theirs. We have to fend for ourselves. I put my money into my mum's care needs so I could never afford 24 hour security guards. If I quit tomorrow none of these stalkers will forget me or stop, I will just have less money to spend protecting myself from them. I'm angry for all all the streamers who have to face this every day. We literally risk our lives to entertain people. 😞
I’m so sorry you have to go through that.
JFC
I don’t want to just say ‘sorry’ that sucks this pisses me off too badly? What can we do? _What can we do???_
It's disgusting how people go out of their way to make people unsafe at their own home or town. Bloody hell.
some people do wacky stuff
I am sorry. I cant wrap my head around someone doing this. I hope you stay safe
They literally arrest people that can vaguely match a description for a minor crime, but refused to do anything in terms of stalking until the stalked is already physically violated. It’s exhausting.
They arrest people for a little weed in some states even give them prison time but stalkers dont even get sent to rehab in a straight jacket at the very least to keep him away from the general public
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The stalker issue doesn't apply to streamers alone. I have been stalked by people I have met in bigger streamers chats, I'm sure you already know their name without me saying them. This was during a time on Twitch when chats were actually fun (not toxic) and offline chats were a nice way to pass the time when you weren't busy.
In a bigger streamers chat I made some friends with quite a few people, mostly in offline chat. I ended up adding people on discord and we played games sometimes, it was fun for awhile. I started dating one guy from the group and when I realized how scary he was I broke it off with him. He ended up saying he'd hurt people for me, hurt himself, kill people, etc etc. All the while he had some really bad memory loss and some serious anger issues. He kept sending me gifts in the mail, one time I thought my current boyfriend had sent me it, but it was him. Completely ruined my day and I didn't know what to do so I hid it from my family. I called the company that the gift was sent from, asked if I could be put on a 'do not send' list (explained my situation) and they told me they don't do that because it will hurt their business. Well, he kept sending me the same gift over and over and over. I honest to god hope that company goes bankrupt.
Not only was I sent weird gifts, I was being stalked online for years. To this day. This guy went through my friends, asking where i was, what i was doing, how i am, who im dating/friends with, etc. He still makes fake accounts to see my social media. It scares me to know that there are so many kids in these chats that can fall victim to stalking. I never called the police because after the company told me they wouldn't help me I just assumed without evidence they couldnt help me. I've done a lot of renaming, changing emails, everything you can think of to lose this guy but it never seems to work. I'm having to use an alternate account to even post this comment.
You have start telling people about him, start documenting and start reporting.
my dad always said police aren't crime stoppers, they are investigators.
Update: Stalker arrested.
When it comes to this behavior, the common advice is take it seriously, contact the authorities with it in mind that they aren't personal security and won't camp your home, arm and secure your home to include hiring personal security (get a dog), tell friends/family about it, and contact a local advocacy group such as a DV center or a a lawyer.
Is there an article? I wanna read more about how they caught him and what time he could be serving.
It is mildly amusing that if a kid threatens to shoot up a school, then he gets immediately arrested, with no questions asked. But when a stalker threatens to harm someone, cops don't do anything. So it seems to either be a problem of age (being an adult, the threatened person can defend themselves) or a problem of numbers (only the threatened person is harmed in the stalker case). Either way it's messed up
The police incompetence in stories like this remind me of that guy who got brutally stabbed on a subway in front of 2 officers who stood and did nothing (not even calling an ambulance). The guy luckily survived and tried to sue the police department for their lack of action, but he lost because the court ruled that police have no obligation to protect citizens. Ghoulish
Law enforcement is absolute bs, they can’t just sit and wait until someone actually gets hurt THEN they act.
They should at least provide protection for the victim or a means to capture the weirdo if someone calls out of concern. It should NOT be a waste of law enforcement’s time because YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE
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Let’s not forget. A guy went to prison for a bomb threat on RuneScape, these stalkers are 10x if not more of an ACTUAL risk.
10 x 0 is still 0
But ye the stalker is way more of a risk
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@@The_Jumping_Box saying you’ll blow up a public space is a threat, be it a very minor one
@@omniscientbarebones oh I assumed they meant that the dude threatened to blow something up in game
@@omniscientbarebones wasn't the whole bomb threat thing *in* Runescape and not irl? That's what I can remember from the story, and the guy got sentenced for years in jail (sorry if I recalled this story incorrectly)
Long before I was born, my mom was stalked by a cop. He would follow her around, pull her over in the middle of nowhere and make her get out of her car and walk back while he followed in his car, showing up at her job, etc. It all came to a head when my uncle visited my mom at her job (she was a bartender at the time) and the cop assaulted him and threatened him bc he didn’t know he was her brother. My biological father (who was my moms boyfriend at the time) knew one of the higher ups in the cops department but the BEST they could do was move him to a different area away from my mom.
Like 6-8 months after this he pulled over a different woman in the middle of the night (who he had been stalking) in the middle of nowhere and raped her.
Stalking isn’t considered a serious crime until they harm you.
Was he convicted after the rape? Was the case covered by media that I can look into myself?
Cases like that are so common. It's insane!
Omg that’s one my worst fears is having a person with more authority like a cop with very bad intentions pull you over and being alone and defenceless.
@@lilywilson4839 Thats why body cams are so important and need to be kept on at all times
Here in Ireland, stalking was changed to a criminal offence about 2 years ago. I was shocked to here that it wasn't an offence before that.
Jesus I didn’t know they did that but it’s good they did (im Irish to nice to see more Irish people in the comments)
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Holy sht this guy’s name is “Colm Creuven” never heard a cooler name goddamn.
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Stalkers don't get enough punishment. History has shown how dangerous they are. There has to be better punishment for these types of things
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@@Player-jh4ko nah it definitely needs punishment lmao but I also agree they could be helped
@@Player-jh4ko How do you "not help" stalking somebody?
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There's no helping a stalker. That shit is broken beyond repair.
My sister had a stalker. Dude drove over three hours to my dad's house trying to find her. He claimed he was her "teacher" and wanted to return her school books. Nobody has any idea who this old guy is, he definitely isnt one of her professors, and the cops didn't do anything about it because he "technically" didn't do anything wrong... Now she is always afraid, constantly looking over her shoulder, terrified that this guy is gonna kidnap her.
They never learn till bones are broken but Oh THATS when the cops wanna do they're jobs. Not for the guy that drove HOURS to do bad things given the chance but when they're handled EXACTLY how they Deserve to be handled to cops do their jobs.
That is frightening! I don't know any women who has not been stalked at one point in their lives. Please, protect the women in your lives. 😢
This is why maybe we do need guns.
Well james im gonna be honest with you, if i where you i would prepare to bury someone and do everything you can to make sure that it is not your sister.
There has to be a guide online on what to do in a situation like this where lawenforcement doesnt do anything.
Use decoys, get your sister to a safe place and switch cars, lure the stalker to her with orchestrated social media posts.
A crime will be committed, its either you who does the crime or the stalker but it seems like its no longer a choice to do this lawful unless she doesnt mind moving.
I wish you, your sister and your family the best and i hope i didnt offend you by saying this.
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Technically they didn't so the cops couldn't do anything. But doesn't impersonating as her teacher count as something?
Maybe not unless he asked her to come with, if not then I don't think you can get him on anything unfortunately.
Also how did you know about the 3 hour drive, if you don't mind me asking.
If he didn't give you that info then you should have met him more than once at least.
I had a friend in high school who had a stalker, she was in a relationship and turned this guy down on numerous occasions. He was like 22 and she was 16, but he had enough of her rejecting him, got a gun and found where she lived. He attacked her once and the police were called and he wasn't caught, she also told them he had a weapon but nothing was done. A week later he broke into her house, killed her dad, her girlfriend, and then himself. I had to go to a funeral for a girl I had known since 5th grade and the other girl moved away. Because you're right, they don't take it seriously until someone ends up fucking dead.
The laws need to change! 😢
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@@voca6175 America
That is absolutely heartbreaking to hear..
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend
This isn't limited to stalking Internet celebrities. Real people get stalked by exes or just someone they were nice to once. Nothing happens until a stalker goes too far.
Yeah that’s hella facts man, anyone can be stalked. Doesn’t matter on the gender, age or anything too- definitely more common for females to be stalked though.
@that guy Streamers are people, the main issue is the viewers who get the thought in their head that streamers are on a different level, or are exactly how they appear on streams.
They arent different, theyre just like you and I, just a different career
@that guy what a dumb way to view this
@that guy Regular person here, hello. I just wanted to ask you real quick about what the FUCK is wrong with you. EXCUSE ME!? NO???? Nobody is fucking laughing at people getting stalked. You see, streamers might sometimes get a bit more visibility on the internet which makes the stories easier to find. Even if there are horrible tragedies that have happened to not-internet-people, those stories are usually found long after, and nobody wants to talk about shitty things unless they're at least relevant.
I’m pretty sure real people get stalked by people they don’t even know or heard of too no matter how popular they are
there was a girl whose boyfriend was stabbed to death in their home by her stalker (David Heiss), who met her online and obsessed about her to the point he travelled to the UK from Germany to arrive at her house unannounced after getting her address from her friends on the forum they met on. this shit can escalate so quickly so i really can't believe how lax law enforcement still is regarding stalking. i feel like this can be one of the scariest, most violating things that can happen to a person. so fucked up.
thats awful
I feel like nothing couldve prevented that to happen, he just travelled and instakilled unannounced
@@minzy093 people like that typically say something online. all the recent killings and shootings, the perpetrators typically post online how they’re going to kill someone… and then they do and everyone is surprised.
Those are some shitty "friends", what the hell.
@@minzy093 I mean like, her friends could have not told him the address without her approval :shrug:
Stalking needs to be taken more seriously in the courts. Shit like this and the entire Papparazi thing needs to end.
Like, the idea that being a public figure makes you lose your right to privacy is outrageous.
"Public figure"
Yeah that's what that means entirely what's weird about that?
Stalking is illegal here where I live... I didn't know it wasn't in the US
@@DaBlaccGhost nobody should stalk you no matter how famous you are?
@@linusmlgtips2123 Agreed, same should go for "journalists" that snap pictures of celebs minding their own business.
I don't care, I dont think anybody else cares, so why the fuck are they doing this. Its down right disturbing.
@@O49-b7d technically, that's just creepy, stalking is the repeated act of following someone around without their consent. Paparazzi is a huge problem for celebs.
I understand how it can be rocky because a crime 'hasnt yet been committed,' but honestly stalking in and of itself should be considered a violent crime, under the same logic as false bomb/shooting threats. (Actually) stalking someone, no matter the motive, makes them fear for their safety/life, and reasonably so. The amount of crippling and genuine fear that you can cause that person can be detrimental to their mental and even physical health. Stalking should absolutely be punishable without them having to commit another crime.
Very good point I never thought of it that way.
Right? Like, the amount of evidence that people have of being stalked with very clear threats to their health and safety, and the police just sitting back and shrugging is appalling
The police never want to enforce laws or do their job. I was stalked by a neighbor with proof and he even violated the court order. The police blamed me and said I needed to "just move'.
@@razzytackuntil that person is murdered anyway. Which is digusting.
it really is, and the amount of evidence you need to actually realise you’re being stalked is genuinely insane, and the paranoia that follows is terrifying. i was stalked but thought i was overreacting until i stepped back and looked at the situation.
a guy i talked to once or twice casually starts showing up more and more often at my usual cafe (on college campus), he constantly asked me ‘what does your timetable look like / what course do you do ?’. and stupidly i showed him my timetable and gave him all the info he needed to remember which one it was, that was how he knew where i was at all times…and i was completely innocent to it. worst of all he took the same bus as me, so he had a rough idea of where i lived. eventually i had to report him to the college, but that made him ask everyone who knows me for either my number so he could ‘apologise’ or to set up a ‘meeting’ so we could discuss the issue. and that’s only the summarised version, it was fucking terrifying man i didn’t (and still don’t) feel safe at all at college with him there
I had a man stalk me for four years. He was 40-50 something years old and I only met him once. I was still all dressed up for church because when we got back we realized my dog was missing and so I was looking for her. He showed me some picture of his “daughter” who turned out to be another girl he was stalking. He moved into and began renting the house right next door. We complained for two years and the only reason they came out and put him in cuffs was because he walked into my home and walked out with my underwear, my pillow, and a few of my clothes and stuffed animals. They said they couldn’t find anything. He went to jail for a night. When the trial eventually did roll around, we were only granted a restraining order for a year and he was sentenced to three years probation but only served about about 8-10 months I can’t exactly remember. I can’t exactly remember because I was 15 when this all started.
He had a history, he’d done it to two other girls, about the same age, same he ght height, same looks-and still, the justice system failed me. He had some slight mental disorder and absolved him of his crimes apparently.
After I came home from college, I didn’t have a car, so I was walking home from the store and I saw a familiar white truck pass me really slow and my heart sank. I watched him go by 7 times on my ride home. I jumped ship and moved in with some guy I met and he never found me again. I think he lost interest thankfully, (I guess, because I haven’t had any problems for about about 3 years now) but it also hurts to know he’s out there tormenting some other girl…
I’ve been hurt a few times and the justice system has never once helped me.
((That was waaay longer than I meant it to be.. unfortunately that’s me summarizing the story 😅))
That’s terrifying. I’m so sorry that happened to you
He walked into your home? Like just came in through a door, took stuff your room and left?
He also did the same to other people?
Absolved because a mental disorder, bruh, this person needs therapy at least lol.
@@WildHorizon
That was not long at all. Captivating, and tragic. I wish you the best, and men like him? I wish him the worst. The law truly needs examining for allowing this.
I’m so so so sorry to hear what you’ve been through. I know saying sorry does nothing to relieve your pain, but I can’t imagine how that felt for you as a little girl. I really hope youve found happiness despite that disgusting lunatic, and I hope you never have to deal with him or anyone like him again.
To the people saying things like "just move houses/cities/somewhere else", it doesn't always stop the stalking. Stalkers will often find a way, somehow, anyhow, to track their victim down, and find their new location. If the victim changes their number, they'll find out what the new number is. If the victim quits their job and starts a new one, the stalker will find out their new place of employment somehow. Stalkers will go to any length to get to their victim, they are extremely dangerous, and they are NOT to be underestimated.
@Bumblebee Exactly, not everyone has the privilege to be able to keep moving around just to avoid someone.
Also, that puts the responsibility and blame on the victim when it's not their fault. They cannot control other people and also aren't responsible for someone else's decisions and actions.
They didn't decide to be targeted, the stalker did.
The victims are usually just living their lives like any other person and should be able to live in peace. They shouldn't have to uproot and destroy their life because some pathetic excuse of a person decided to target them.
I know that actually holding the stalker responsible for their actions and focusing on them to stop (or even just be arrested for stalking) is unfortunately idealistic in many current societies though which is disturbing.
It's ridiculous how many people think "just move somewhere else", "just don't go out", etc. are valid suggestions for the targets instead of focusing on stopping the stalkers.
The stalkers should be the ones who suffer the consequences but it often ends up with the target suffering and losing the most.
There needs to be significantly faster and harsher punishments for stalkers because at the moment, not much is being done and it's insane.
@@Alyakismydutchname I agree, we definitely live in a society that blames the victim of a crime way more often than the perpetrator. In the events of robberies, r*pes, assaults, and even murders, I always see people blaming the victim, saying they were "asking for it", or "must have done something to deserve it" or provoke the person. It's disgusting. There definitely needs to be more education on stalking, because there's still so much ignorance and mockery towards it.
It cannot be understated exactly how bad of an idea it is to move while you are being stalked.
If you even have to move, that's very costly, and that alone deserves reparations should the law, by some ungodly circumstance, see this as the solution.
But that's not even to say the risks and dangers of moving to a new place, leaving the place you're familiar with, leaving the home you're familiar with and have more control and stability.
"No, you should move to a strange new place where you have no connections, no clue where anything is" What the fuck? Whatever new apartment or hotel you stay at isn't nearly as secure as an actual home or residence with family and loved ones.
That's not to speak of your loved ones. This can easily become a hostage situation. They can try to blackmail you. Say you decide to move back to your hometown? That can put your own family and friends at risk.
It's like...trying to cure a fever by applying a heat pack. Ridiculous. The guy moved from Europe after selling everything. I'm sure he can follow Amouranth to the ends of the earth.
well to be fair shes a sex worker that uploads pornographic content to only fans, so of course there will be some creeps that want more than just visual enticement. Considering she's uploading pornographic content on onlyfans and very sexual content on twitch, she should have been more careful with her privacy or invested in more security.
What's really sad and scary is that he is clearly capable of navigating in society given that he OWNED a house, car, etc.... seriously disturbing...
I wish I owned a house
@@randomguy7891 Not the 1 reply I expected, but ok
doubt he earned that house. probably got it from parents
A “wolf in sheeps clothing” of sorts.
it's not as hard to own a house, car etc in europe especially when most homes are passed down from family members
I lived with a stalker for a year, they really don't get punished at all. My roommate was female too, so they REALLY did not take it seriously. She sent over a hundred long deranged incel emails to this poor boy and finally had a psychotic break after getting nothing in return. She then spent every waking moment outside looking for him, I even had to hide all of our kitchen knives because she had become so unhinged.
Law enforcement told us that we couldn't even legally force her out unless she actually hurt someone, I had to tell her to gtfo myself. It actually angers me how little law enforcement does with stalking until it's too late. This poor boy never felt safe and I know it's gonna take him quite a bit of time to feel normal again.
?? I was so confused when he said that stalking is no crime and people can't be arrested for it. In Austria it is a felony to stalk someone. It is ruled as a form of violence and you may very well go to prison. Yes, you can go to prison for stalking someone without ever laying your hands on them, breaking their stuff or intruding in their house. Which is good.
@@Levittchen4G Oh man I envy you. I think it actually is supposed to be illegal in the US but it just never gets taken seriously. I could be wrong though. Either way, many people suffer from the mismanagement of stalking cases in the US and it sucks.
@@poogissploogis I can see that!
I wish y'all US folks all the best and you to recieve some legislation that actually protects and serves the common people!
It's so funny that the only comment where the psychotic stalker is a girl and the victim a man doesn't have even 50 likes. Society is garbage
@@xiiir838 Bro u speak for yourself
Like ever heard of someone writing "first"? This is no different. Some comments get more traction than others, doesn't mean they are better.
It's pathetic that people blame Amouranth for her stalker when 99% of women with stalkers are not even online and they still get stalked for just existing. I have known several people who were stalked to their home or through public transport, women both big and skinny. It doesn't matter how baggy you dress, how much makeup you put on or how pretty you are, sometimes you just get chosen randomly and living with this reality is utterly terrifying enough, now imagine being a public figure who is beautiful and openly sexy on the Internet, it's a hundred times worse.
I had a coworker who had a stalker that was banned from the restaurant we worked at. This was just an old creepy man that was served by her once. She was DOING HER JOB AS A SERVER and she got a stalker. It happens out of the blue regardless of what the victim is doing or has done.
@@getbogged dude, I’m a server and I’m glad I never went through that. However, a friend of mine who was also a server at the time as me (she introduced me to the place), she was somewhat-harassed by this customer who only requested women. Weird, but whatever. She served him like once or twice, and all of a sudden he only wanted to be served by her. There are regulars who request certain severs, so it wasn’t a big deal. Everyone who worked there always thought he was odd, but we didn’t think anything of it because we thought he was just a weirdly nice person. Then after that, he kept on coming back only on the days *she* worked, and if she didn’t work that day for some reason or was busy, he would just leave or would wait until she could serve him.
After awhile, it started to get out of hand, and she refused to serve him anymore. He would always comment about how beautiful or smart she is, and constantly ask her for a drink or dinner after she got off - even after she told him that she had a fiancé. She would politely decline his offer everytime, but when he told her that her relationship with her fiancé wouldn’t work out for many reasons he *listed,* that’s when she stopped serving him.
She got a new job in another city, so she sadly doesn’t work there anymore, for other reasons, but that was the main one. But almost everytime we talk about our jobs, she asks if that guy has come back. The weird part is he only came back once, and one of the servers told him she doesn’t work there anymore, he never came back. It’s honestly weirdly concerning.
I never had a stalker but I had people cat called me multiple times and stared at me when I’m in the store. I had a guy just came up behind me (remind you I was a little girl) but I didn’t know because I had my headset on. My parents grabbed me and pulled me to them to get me away from the guy. I wear baggy clothes and never wear makeup. This is disgusting. Even on a hot day I’m scared that I wi get cat called or even worse. I can’t love what I wear :(
Once i was walking home from school and i had an older guy in a car follow me along for like a mile, asking me about the weather, the hour, where i lived and whatever he could think of to try to talk to me. I just ignored him and started walking faster, but he also drove faster and told me to hop on so he would drive me home, and when i didn't answer he began insulting me. That's where i panicked and started running as fast as i could, he tried to block my way with his car and he almost ran me over on the sidewalk, but i made it into a convenience store where i asked the clerk for help and i phoned my parents to please come get me.
The guy was out there for like 10 more minutes, waiting and honking until he eventually left.
I was 14.
For the rest of my high school years, my parents came to pick me daily because the same guy was spotted a few more times in the area, doing the same to other girls.
@@examichelle wtf call the cops on that guy that’s messed up
So let me get this straight, the guy was stalking her had been personally streaming that shit live and even took notes on where and when he was and then tried to break into her house....and the cops didn't do shit until the break-in attempt despite the fact she probably told the cops he was streaming, they looked at it but said, "nah let's just wait till he tries breaking the door"
Honestly surprised that Nintendo didn’t hire him.
they probably didn't even look at the stream
They're useless
Well yeah… you have to commit the crime first to get arrested + they’d get sued for detaining without reason
@@Dietrich_KaufmannHe did commit a crime...
stalking is a crime my guy, and the police has sufficient evidence of it, considering he documented everything he was doing online.
My fiancé used to work at a grocery store when we first started dating in college. She was stalked all of the time. I can confirm, the police do not do anything. If it wasn’t because I had friends who were cops in the various local jurisdictions, we would have never gotten a restraining order.
For those who don’t know much about stalking, the stalker rarely even understands that what they’re doing is wrong. We ended up taking this one stalker in particular to court for a restraining order. When confessing to the judge, he clearly had no remorse for the things he did or said to my fiancé. And he said some nasty, creepy stuff. Even wrote it down in letters and had them delivered anonymously while she was working. We ended up getting the restraining order from the judge no problem after the judge read the notes but restraining orders are only valid for one year. My fiancé quit her job 364 days later to avoid the stalker entirely.
that's terrible, why do restraining orders last for so little time? Do they just assume the person will get bored after a year or something? Why not make it like 5 years and see how they behave...this needs to be looked at esp. since we're in an age where it's so easy to get information about people off the internet. There needs to be harsher laws on this kind of stuff for sure.
Tbh though a restraining order is only a piece of paper. If a crazy person wants to do crazy things, a restraining order in the form of a piece of paper isn't going to stop them, I'm sorry to say. This is sadly why I would encourage every woman to at the very least take a self defense class and carry some form of bear mace. Ideally, take a firearm safety and personal protection class and get comfortable carrying a small caliber pistol in their purse. Sadly bad things happen to women all the time in case's such as your fiancé's.
I didn’t realise restraining orders were only valid for a period of time…
@Hunter Vonnegut wha
@@superskunkygrow Yea, restraining orders only give you reasons to call the cops if the person comes near you.
the fact that the police does nothing about stalkers is terrifying. it shouldn't take someone dying/getting assaulted for them to do something.
It makes you wonder where their sympathies lie, because stalking is in fact criminal. They *could* do something if they could just be bothered.
@@johnl5350 But that means you have to put your faith into the police force, which clearly isn't plausible at all. They don't do anything of worth.
Only you can protect you
There is so many cases where stalkers kill their victims. It is appalling how badly the law enforcement act on these cases. Stalkers need to be properly punished, nothing else will stop them.
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 Nah it’s weird if you are a 40 year old man dating a 4 year old girl
Look at Bianca Devins, she died a horrible death by a stalker who couldn't take no for an answer. Insane
well, the police is literally not there to protect anyone except themselves. The courts have established this fact time and time again. If something needs changed is a complete legal reform
I've seen videos on TH-cam where people had to move out of state get new cars and move to a gated communities.
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 It is, in fact, not just a number as a newborn child is very clearly not the same as a grown adult. You absolute buffoon.
This reminds me of when Meg Turney had a stalker show up to her and Gavins house with a gun intending to kill them and was shot down in their driveway. Stalkers need to be treated like the dangers they actually are. I feel so bad for her.
Twitch thots need to be treated like the garbage that they are and stalked by psychos.
Who shot the stalker?
@@Not-Batman the police
Edit: there's news articles on it if you want to read more, but Meg and Gavin prefer to not talk about it naturally; so I dont want to really go into it out of respect
@@Not-Batman Either self-inflicted or by the police when they got there, when they had a confrontation, it's a conflicting report. The stalker broke into their house with the intent to kill Gavin and take Meg, he shot their glass door to get in alerting gavin and meg who hid in a closet while he searched the house for them while they called 911
but tell me this. youre a cop. you get called and they say theirs a stalker doing whatever, you arent gonna know exactly what to do. probs why they dont take it so sreiously and then its too late. makes no sense, but dont think cops treat that crime as seriously as other crimes coz its so gradual
What's even more sad about stalking is that, in most underdeveloped and developing countries, stalking is not even viewed as a major crime. People who participate in such disgusting acts get away with doing so as many times as they please because the law allows them to do so. And even more developed countries such as South Korea only views stalking as a minor misdemeanor as recent as 2021. Laws against stalking specifically in South Korea were only implemented last year, and most speculates that it was only brought to the table after decades of postponing because of a highly publicized stalking case that was on the national news.
@@MainChannelTheme yep
But how would you establish if that stalker is a dangerous one or a cowardly one? And what is the punishment that you would give them? I think there are already laws against threatening a person, what else do we need?
Amoranth is a thot sucking money out of gulliable loners, so its not that i feel bad that this happened to her. I do feel bad for the other innocent women.
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 what's map
@@fomosexual407 its really gross. stands for minor-attracted person, means theyre a p3do....
@@fomosexual407 A pedophile without saying pedophile
The victim is not to blame, the stalker is to blame. She should be able to stream peacefully. No-one should have to fear their job.
nobody can do anything peacefully in this damn world. Everything can get you killed in some way
@@-JaggedGrace-🤡
A victim isn't to blame but these things don't fall out of the sky either, the police should just do their fucking job. I do think that becoming an internet persona comes with risks that are simply inherent to the job, that being exposing yourself to some of the most deranged individuals in our society that you normally would never interact with or would be exposed to. It's horrible that this happens but there's risks involved with everything, busdrivers don't deserve fear of violence that is often used against them while on the job; but it's simply reality and we have to accept these risks with any line of work. Especially if you're catering on a platform filled with the lonely, socially rejected outcasts.
@@GeometricPidgeonkinda hard for police to do their job in this current society.
@@GeometricPidgeon 100%. I SHOULD be safe without locking my door at night, doesn't mean I am going to do that and tempt fate.
Its disturbing how someone can be so obsessed with another person. Especially someone you literally have no personal connection to
Y'all i know what a parasocial relationship is and i know _why/how_ someone would go this far. I just find it weird lmao
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What the fuck are these comments
Deep bro
@@IncorrectHB This comment section is infested with bot accounts
Looks can be deceiving
My sister is currently dealing with being stalked by her abusive ex-boyfriend and the cops dont do shit and are very dismissive. The dude took a car for the dealership he worked at and sat outside my parents house for 2 days waiting for my sister when she was out of state(thankfully). The way the law handles stalking is fucking awful.
I’m so sad to hear that about your sister. I hope that dude gets his karma
@dsfasf i dont doubt it my sister's been dealing with this dude for 5 years
Where is the guy now? im just curious
@@errolgaming8381 about 5 miles from my sister
You ever try breaking his knees? That should work.
Can y'all believe some people actually blame HER for getting harassed
unfortunately i can. people are awful
Because she is a female, that's why
There’s even people in the comments claiming it. Or saying that being a streamer means you’ll get stalked, you signed up for it. Disgusting.
@@itsTigereye ah yes, of course. Of course they would say that. These must be the kind of people who think women owe them their bodies because they're hot and "expose" themselves. I would be very much curious to hear what these people would say if it was them, who were harassed.
I have no respect for her, but certainly can't blame her for being stalked, that is foolish.
My mother also had a stalker a couple of years ago. I'm not gonna explain the full story because honestly it's pretty tedious but it definitely wasn't as bad as Anita's or Amouranth's. He'd still follow her everywhere and try to talk to her, he also found out where she lives and would ring her door every other day. She went to the police 3 times and they pretty much ignored her, claiming there was nothing they could do. 3 weeks after all this started he rang the door when I was alone at her house, so I grabbed a bat and handled the situation by myself. It's been a couple years and had no more news of him. To this day, I can't think of any other way any of us could've handled the situation better, and yet, if he pressed charges against me I'd get in trouble. Victims of stalking are extremely vulnerable and I believe it's a legal problem, instead of a police one.
To be honest...i whould do the same but in an instant!
Same for family member's or whould i know someone who is salking another person i whould be*t him up...and that even for free...masked ofc too...
Whould do the same for random people...
Ofc i could get in trouble for that but if it makes one person less horrible, self justice is sometimes the only way becouse police is oftentimes a f*cking joke! And are still paid with OUR taxes...
Sometimes the direct solution is the best
You're a legend
Savage
I am so sorry that she and you had to go through that. It’s an AWFUL experience, sometimes..direct contact is *the* only way unfortunately. If they won’t get the message, you have to show them the message.
The fact she needs armed guards to feel safe is so incredibly sad... we need better laws around these kinds of people they need to be comitted and treated for their clear mental illness wether they want to be or not
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@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 prison is just a house.
free rent
free food
large community
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 Narcissistic power dynamics, typically.
@@trafficconememes331 lol yea, fake checkmark too
Agreed
They should be arrested and given a straightjacket
My mum was a victim of stalking for quite a while. This was the late 90s/early 2000s, so the internet was different then. But my mum's ex-husband's wife was a crazy stalker. Apparently, when my mum was in labor with me, this lady hjacked my mum's business website. She changed it to be a bunch of photoshopped nudes of my mum. This whole website was changed and trashed while my mum was in the hospital having me.
Stalkers are lifeless individuals and I will never treat them as human beings. Not after what I've seen and experienced. My mum spent the past decade protecting me from internet stalkers and other dangers. I'm glad she did because this is horrifying.
i hope they caught that sick mfker. also i hope you guys live a stress free lift to this day. that would be horrible
Hmmm, you might be stalker child. That's bloody awesome. Your dad went to an anomaly and came back alive.
@Kavetion No. You need a father figure.
@Kavetion ratio
Your mum
I appreciate that Charlie does point out how difficult it is for law enforcement to act in situations like stalking where there's technically no "crime" yet. But when the evidence is clear and available, police NEED to step in. It's this kind of crap that makes people less likely to call police when they need to. Police should be able to be trusted as protectors, but when they fail to act, it can end tragically.
This is where the concept of "community policing" should apply. Police may not be able to arrest them, but they really should at least confront them and advise them that it's going to end badly for them if they act.
It's such a weird grey area.
@@CrabSully Yea.. In this case though it was sort of the streamer's fault though
@@halfwaysleet no it freaking wasn't, the hell you talking about. Nobody deserves to be stalked. NOBODY.
@@halfwaysleet go to therapy.
@@froststar2794 I'm not saying she deserves to be stalked, I'm making the argument that she is at fault for it. You have to take into account her line of work, she is a sex worker that uploads images and videos on only fans, and also streams herself with very little clothing on a gaming platform called twitch. This platform is full of tweens and also more vulnerable people whom seek to watch footage of gameplay. Twitch is strictly anti sexual content, and has even banned this person before from their platform, and changed their rules because of them and a few other "streamers" like her, making it so you're only allowed to wear bikinis in a pool or a beach. She went as far as to buy an inflatable pool and use it in her room to continue her "work". She gives more attention to the men that donate the most, often giving them the delusion that they might one day be with her. Some of these men are very sexually neglected and desperate. Whether this is moral or immoral, that's subjective, the question is, is it her fault that she's getting stalkers? Knowing what her work entails, having millions of male viewers and exploiting their sexual desires, she could have used the millions of dollars she makes from her twitch streams to buy a home with better security, or better security measures in her current house, or at the very least avoid exposing her real location to online strangers.
Questions I still have:
How fucking cold hearted and careless do you have to be to not help a TEENAGER calling for help against a stalker, fine them, and still not help until the stalker’s work is done? (The stalker killed this teenager.)
I do get that specific acts of events that can be considered stalking can’t be acted upon. But it begs the question, what is considered to be an act of stalking that can be acted upon? Because (According to the video) the stalker had weapons on him while streaming himself stalking her and was even caught with weapons when arrested, but was only released A DAY after this? This was after ignoring her and saying that she was wasting police time, and when they sent someone, it took over half an hour. If this stalker had major intentions to kill her, or even had a firearm, she would’ve definitely been killed in that time if the stalker wanted to. But this was still not enough to send concern to the authorities. Does the stalker have to shoot guns at them for police to respond? Even then, it would be converted to attempted murder, not stalking. Just judging by the stories mentioned, the people getting stalked and telling police about it seem to get punished instead of the stalker, you know, THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY CONTACTED AUTHORITIES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I know you gotta be careful with stalker laws because it would be easy for someone to set you up to look like a stalker as some sort of revenge
@@scazab6408 I only say that because I had a shitty gf one time that would disappear for days at a time and when I finally showed up and caught her at my buddies house(came home early from work) she freaked out and called the police saying I was following her and was trying to hurt her. In reality she was living with me and was texting me all day at work as normal. Because of these one sided laws I had to go to court and it was only in court that the details came out and the judge literally got mad at my ex for lying and using laws made to protect her to hurt someone else and dismissed the whole thing. So it is very easy for a woman to use these laws against someone just because they are caught in a lie or want revenge.
@@scazab6408 no it got threw out so I never got in any trouble or anything. There was literally texts from her that day were we talked about what to eat for supper that night. So I literally couldn't have been stalking her cause I thought she was at my house at the time. I just decided to come home early cause I just had a feeling and noticed she wasn't home.
@@scazab6408 but really my point is that these laws need to be carefully thought out as not to victimize men because I was almost victimized by a POS cheating woman who was mad because she knew her source of income( me) was leaving forever .
@scazab6408 most women fake rape? WTAF? Incel much?
9:17 Imagine getting fined for reporting a stalker only to die from that same stalker. I hope that law enforcement team goes to hell.
yeah they all deserve to lose their job and suffer for their life for ruining someone else's
I swear cops never do their job. It's like everyday I hear about people dying because they're so incompetent.
@@evoloxe they only start acting after someone loses their life , its like we HAVE to have someone dead to wake them up
@@evoloxe law enforcement isn't there to protect people, it is to punish people, Simpsons had a literal episode about this and it is 100% accurate
The fact that stalking is rarely punished breeds more stalkers. Why would someone not stalk when the worst that usually happens is a slap on the wrist by the cops then you're set free?
Meh
Maybe because they're not weirdos, I feel like a stalker would still stalk regardless of the consequences.
@@XemPvP they can start behind bars of they like as long as they don't walk around free
You act like cops care, or are competent
@@kidmosey What? That reasoning is so stupid, I honestly have no words. While what you said, unfortunately, is true when it comes to what actually happens in today's world, it should not be the norm. Law enforcement is literally there to not only punish people who break the law, but also prevent that. If what you said was the norm, people would just do whatever the fuck they want (as they do nowadays), and then they suffer the consequences, sure, but people may have died for example in the meantime. Try to imagine a situation with a mass shooter. If the cops waited for said shooter to shoot at someone in order to arrest him, they'd enforce the law, but they'd let a person die. You see how stupid that is? Also, stalking itself is a crime, so the police wasn't even punishing the criminal in this case.
This shit is downright horrifying. If you look at the type of thing that happened to Christina Grimmie (and others) these stalkers are no fucking joke. They need to be arrested and taken into custody for psyche eval.
why are bots taking over these videos?
I'm still so upset about Christina's death. So senseless, and she was just coming up too 😔
@@courtneywerkmeister3040 what the story on her?
@@ahardworker2154 she was a viral youtuber who made really great music and she had like a fan meet up or something and someone showed up with a gun and killed her and was stopped by her brother and someone else, and then the shooter killed himself ill edit this if i got anything wrong
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 either extremely obvious bait or needing of therapy
if you truly think being a pedophile is ok i suggest you get therapy before you violate a child
It boggles my mind that law enforcement act exactly like teachers when it comes to bullies in school it seems when it comes to stalkers. Ridiculous that there's nothing that can be done in cases like these.
And then they punish you when you defend yourself.
The amount of people in the comments and replies saying these women "deserve it" is absolutely fucking horrifying
Give me one reason why they don’t deserve it
@@aaronnbothner3714 because literally no human being deserves to fear being raped and murdered in their own homes? And that's literally the most basic of the reasons
@@sarahamira5732 I personally disagree with your point
@@aaronnbothner3714 I personally think youre a shit person for disagreeing with that very simple point
@@aaronnbothner3714 you need to be educated
I had a teacher in high school who was stalked and almost raped and killed. Thankfully she was able to fight him off and he was later arrested. It's scary and sad that we live in a world where shit like this happens.
welp guess home schooling it is cause public schools isn't safe
Always has happened. Isn't that crazy
Hope ur teacher is ok 😔🙏
On behalf of @ebe chebel, it's not that surprising, however it is still crazy and really frightening to think of how many there are in society 😬
Stalking needs to be taken more seriously. I had a stalker for 4 years in college. Wherever I went I could never feel safe or let my guard down. I informed the school of this but they did nothing. In his fourth year of the college he ended up r*ping another girl after a night where I told him off again. He still continued to go to the school after that and still graduated with me. It’s not just a streamer issue but an issue that needs to be taken more seriously all around.
You said had, so I'm assuming you got out of that situation, but I'm wondering, is the r@ped girl still... alive? And even after doing that, no one stopped him? I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I went to the police after being sexually assaulted by my friend/roommate in my sleep... TWICE and nothing happened.
Hold on a minute, so you are saying this person did what you said, as an adult, with it being, apparently, publicly known, and they didn't get thrown in jail?
@@tiagobelo4965 the conviction rate for rape is 3%. Almost always goes unpunished.
@@tiagobelo4965 not uncommon at all.
@@maxgucciardi4507 Source?
Even before the internet, they've never done anything about stalking. "We can't do anything until an actual crime is committed." Except then when a crime is committed it's a lot of victim blaming or "If only we'd known maybe we could have done something to stop the stalker." It's a classic case of law enforcement refusing to actually help people because they aren't constitutionally required to protect anyone.
Paid to talk shit and do absolutely fuck all I guess.
If I was a 911 operator I'd say fuck what you're telling me I'm helping them
To me when it comes to police not intervening with stalkers, it's similar to how shooters have a history of being a nuisance and exhibiting dangerous behavior, but yet no one in power that can stop it or curtail it does anything, so the issue gets worse and worse and worse until an explosion happens.
This is why you don’t let politicians and libtards take your Guns away.
You're absolutely right. Law enforcement doesn't actually care about protecting their communities they get paid either way
edit: I'm not talking about individual workers. There's only so much a single person can do
ACAB
2nd amendment
@@yowshiii3 What exactly do you want them to do? They can't pre arrest someone.
The most chilling part is "liar liar fiancée"
Jesus. Christ.
This guy has ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED himself that this streamer who has actively denounced him and asked him to stop that somehow he and her are in a relationship. This is such a disgusting "can't take no for an answer" kind of mentality that is so unstable and can't be reasoned with and that's so scary
The person is mentally ill, it’s really sad to be honest, mental health is derailing really fast nowadays
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 911 is also a number
Ughhh anyone does that to me gets a bullet through their teeth, I hold pure hatred for "people" like this.
@Savetion (PROUD MAP) 🅥 and prison is just a building
Mental illness is serious business. He needs gratuitous amounts of therapy. Whether or not that includes getting his ass beat once or twice is up for discussion.
The best advice I got from a dispatcher (who actually cared) was don't go home, go to the closest police station. I was stalked for a while by a man, while I was bartending at a club. He would try to follow me home and the cops were no help and thought I was asking for it because of my job. But the dispatcher would stay on the phone with me until I got to the station and walked in. It became such a routine to stop at that station, that who ever was working the night desk would have coffee waiting.
This is so sad🥺the fact that it had to become a routine, to the point where coffee was waiting for you. Thats a nice gesture in such a shitty situation. I hope youre well♡ sending love
@@whoisrune That was in the late '90s, shortly after I left the military. People were just waking up to how bad stalking could be, even though it had been a problem for decades. What is sad to me that this still isn't taken as seriously as it should be. Oh, and my stalker thought I was married to a cop, so eventually vanished. LOL
@@catandthesixxness LMAOO this is wild. Glad youre alright!
@@catandthesixxness The real reason your stalker stopped was because he knew you powered up after drinking that good cup of joe.
@@edmontonboy99 HAHA maybe!
Unfortunatley so many woman are killed after reporting their stalkers/abusers many times. It's horrible
It's basically the equivalent of the FNAF games. They are in these incredibly dangerous situations and they don't do anything to help except leave you at the hands of the tools you can use to keep them out.
Honestly, the police get so up in arms when people pursue vigilante justice, but refuse to do anything in this sort of situation. It might be the police, it might be the failure of legislation to properly cover these crimes, I don't know enough about the laws in the US to say. But this is disgusting and I hope the streamers being targeted can find some way to protect themselves properly.
There's always going to be some bad cops however this is mostly a laws issue. They can't really arrest someone on the idea they might do something. There has to be a law broken and I lot of people don't understand that so they blame the cops. Officers are in a tight spot most of the time. Simply trying to do their job while also being hated by people, lied to and harassed themselves.
There needs to be a universal stalking law in place that makes this kind of behavior an escalating issue. Initially being treated as someone just going too far for a minute then escalating very quickly after. Keeps people from bothering them again who are just weird and actually don't mean harm in the end while also pinning out dangerous people by allowing them to do something.
@@Bannith based
@@joeyatkin9984 are you saying biased?
Charlie mentioned the attempted break in happened in Houston. Since the pandemic and even alittle before, emergency response has been so fucked up. Had to call 911 about a year ago and it was for my grandmother who fell and split her head. I was able to stop the bleeding but i was on hold for 15 mins and it took ems another 15 mins to get to the house. Literally if she didnt teach me how to react, ahe used to be a nurse for 40 yrs, she wouldve needed more than just a few stitches. Its a big problem with legislature and the organization of the emergency response department
@@Bannith Yeah agreed. I didn’t mean this to come off as an attack on the police in general, and it’s interesting that you have said it’s more about the coverage of laws in this area. I guess him shocked there aren’t more laws in place to protect people from escalating stalking issues.
Someone please tell "Sweet Anita" that she can hire an attorney that does victim's rights advocacy. Most people don't even know that this is an option. She doesn't need to quit her job.
how much do those cost?
@@theunderstatement6842 Not as expensive as regular lawyers, I think it may even be within her budget!
@@theeKPOPlover that's very comforting to hear
if someone takes an unhealthy amount of interest in me one day, at least i have an option to resolve it
Her comment is on the top of the video I think
She needs to call saul
I've really wanted to stream for years now but this is exactly what makes my anxiety skyrocket. I have a stalker from just walking my dog around, just saw me at the local parks and now I spot him everywhere taking pics and trying to figure out my dog walking routes. I've caught multiple strangers also taking pics and vids of me just walking my dog. I don't show my face on the internet because of this. It's saddens me and disturbs me, no one asks for permission or even approaches me to try to be nice or say hello. Just hide, follow, record and hide.
Honestly, just don’t share your face, Avoid personal details and you’ll be fine.
Tbh, get some friends with you. Try to confuse them by taking random dog walking routes and paths. I don’t know much about avoiding stalkers n such, but I believe that there are 3 options to this.
1. Bring friends or tell people you trust about it.
2. Get authorities involved, but tbh they prob won’t do much unless they confront the stalker taking pics of u.
3. Get your friends or go yourself, and when you see the stalker in the park, confront them and make sure people around you see. Although I prob wouldn’t if u believe the stalker is armed or will use violence. But this is just my opinion, which tbh, might be dumb stuff I’m telling you.
But if your being stalked and you don’t trust what I’m saying which is understandable since I’m just a random guy saying my opinion, get a professional’s advice about dealing with stalkers.
@@alpha_9997 I literally get stalked at college. No one is giving their personal details out. Stop victim blaming
@@nic_aya its not victim blaming
he's just giving his thoughts
@@nic_aya did you read the original comment? they were worried about being stalked and i gave them advice on how to avoid stalking on the internet. its not victim blaming, read the dang comment
All the incels in the comments saying that she should “just move” or “needs to stop initiating parasocial relationships” are legitimately insane. Like…. y’all need to do some self reflection and ask yourself if you really want to be that kind of guy.
its really sad too, because you can tell these types are just deeply unhappy and lonely but then all sympathy i could have had for them dries up like Cali as soon as they open their mouths.
This reminds me of the Cindy James murder. Cindy was living alone and some dude who she never even saw began harassing her and eventually began cutting her phone lines, breaking windows, breaking IN, and eventually killing her while she was hog tied, partially strangled and shot up on drugs. She called the police several times and they eventually just ignored her. She also moved cities over and over
jfc
and to think they just ignored her
They even said her death was a suicide and not a murder....
@@hibernatingchibi ah, yeah, being hogtied is common in those, y'know?
@@sadiethegreat the whole case makes me upset. The police claims she was lying about the whole thing for attention. And when she's finally murdered, it's still her trying to get attention. Their whole attitude concerning the case is disgusting.
@@hibernatingchibi Murican cops on their way to make the most fucked up statements for literally zero gain
My mom had a stalker for five years back in the 80s. Following her to work, lurking outside her house, confronting her in parking lots, the works. The cops say they can’t do anything for her. So the cops solution? They literally told her next time he shows up at your house, shoot him and drag his body into the house, then call us so it will seem like he broke in. That way the cops would be able to say it was self defense and she wouldn’t be arrested.
They did NOTHING. They told my terrified mom she had to MURDER her stalker herself and drag his body into her home, and then the police would do her a favor by not arresting her for it. I was beyond shocked hearing that.
I just can’t believe that nearly half a century later the police are still so completely useless when it comes to PROTECTING PEOPLE
Funny, I was just about to make a comment about almost the same situation about my grandma in the 70's. Her drunk ex would break in the door and had to be beat back and they'd only arrest him for drunk and disorderly. He'd be out on bail and back at the house within hours. They gave her the same bad advise, almost verbatim. It's almost like it's in the manual somewhere to direct victims to become vigilantes to avoid the work on their end.
So she could have shot him and dragged his body in? What's the problem in my country they'd laugh at you and if you actually killed the stalker they'd put you in prison.
@@impyrobot oh they will here too, just depends on the case/cops/investigators/how they feel that day/etc. I think OP’s scenario was more easy to get away with back in the day, but nowadays i wouldn’t be so sure... the American criminal justice system is more than a little lacking in the ‘justice’ department 🫤
@@saskialolita yeah shit justice system seem to be a thing everywhere
This reminds me of how the Texas government said during the infamous deep freeze a couple years ago "the government and police does not exist to help you" like what the fuck does it exist for then?????
As a woman who was stalked for 13 years and I really thought when he came after me with the knife that it was over for my son and me, I can tell you there is not much help out there from authorities. A restraining order is a piece of paper and that is it. Cops don't even have to enforce it btw which is a bunch of BS. The laws have gotten a little better because now the officer can choose to press charges himself and not the victim. Before the woman had to do it and face the assailant later when they got out. Things need to change even further so less people end up murdered.
Dont be an e-thot who take advantage of desparate simps and incels and that might be a good start of not getting stalkers.
How much more of an issue do you think this would be if we actually banned all guns?
@@ittybits Its a two edged sword. On the one hand, yes it would reduce victims ability to defend themselves, on the other hand it would also significantly reduce the risk of stalkers owning guns. And if I had to make a choice I would much rather want a stalker with a knife on them than a stalker with a gun on them, although of course I'd much rather have neither which is why the police have to do their fucking jobs.
@@TheLegalPlayer “To protect and serve” was always in reference to the Law. Not the people, that is a misconception. Tell me this, if the stalker had the choice to have a gun on him, you also have that choice to have a gun on you. Wouldn’t you rather the fight be equal than your fist vs his/her knife when they break into your house?
@@TheLegalPlayer I wish cops would save people more too. I don’t defend any of their actions. It’s just the reality is nobody is going to save you like you would save yourself. Point blank period.
Victim: “Help, this person has been camping outside my house for 4 months, stalks me every time I leave, stuffing letters in my mailbox of threats, and even tried assaulting me on multiple accounts!”
Cops: Yeah, but are you dead yet? That’s what I thought, suck it up.”
(*victim gets murdered by stalker*)
Cops (addressing the public): this death was such a shame. If only there were signs that this person was dangerous to them.
Such a shame
Police on LA are so useless for stalkers. It has been a problem for decades,
They say "we're not here to prevent crimes, we catch people who commit them" and it's such a scummy thing
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I find it EXTREMELY concerning that Twitch took down the stalkers stream (multiple times I am assuming based on the wording) and didn't feel the need to pass the information along to local authorities? Amazon has always had an issue of being so massive and trying to be in every market that they ALWAYS end up under delivering where it matters most. Amazon, and Twitch need to make sweeping changes to their services.
They need to gtfo out of all these other markets. This is the consequence of monopoly.
The information was all public and amouranth did tell the cops. This is 100% the police's fault.
Amazon just owns twitch to avoid taxes, Twitch is just 3rd party company running on its own trying to not get shut down by amazon if they don't pull out their weight. If it was not founded by Amazon, they only care what they report to their stockholders.
@@Maelstromme I guess you never knew twitch before amazon. It was down all the time and was unwatchable, at least it works now and doesn't drop frames every 2 seconds.
I love how cops complain about everyone hating on cops now, yet you got these cases where police just actively let people get hurt. In my eyes those cops are morally complicit to the crimes the stalkers commit. Dudes can profile people from their skin colour, yet can't piece together the clues that the dude who repeatedly wanders around a girls house with a knife might be dangerous?
America's fault.
@@klalhriatzuali6618 what does this have to do with America tf
THE STALKER IS EVEN FUCKING STREAMING WHILE STALKING AND YET NO PROOF
listen I think the situation is really fucked, but its not the cops fault, or americas fault, or the worlds fault. Its the stalkers fault. There are so many stalker cases if the police followed every single one of them they wouldnt be able to do anything else. You need to understand that you cant blame everything in one entity and thats it. We just dont have enough resources. What I think would be a solution is a law that allows people to either shoot or kill or assault stalkers without repercussions as long as they have evidence they were being stalked, if they were really being stalked they would have more than enough proof.
@@juanisjustcool9225 their shitty laws to protect people thats what.
One thing I heard that sticks with me, "police are here to respond to a crime that's ALREADY happened." This is why I got licensed to carry a gun and actively carry everywhere I go.
My stalker sent a 50lbs package to me through the local police station. The same police station where I had them call and give her two no contact warnings. They said because she sent it to me through the police station and not my home address she technically didn’t break the order. Two months later she lied about who she was to my university, got my address, and showed up at my door with flowers. The police said they couldn’t arrest her because I don’t have a formal protection order and they wouldn’t issue a protection order because I don’t have her current address. The only way I can maybe get a restraining order is by reporting every incident, going to the courthouse, and filing a formal charge. THEN the police can retrieve her current address and serve her...then she can counter the charge and end up costing me thousands in court. What’s worse is I’m afraid to go forward with any of it because I’m worried it will piss her off enough to deliberately break the order, something she’s likely to try doing. Not only that, she’s from out of state and the order would only be good for the state I currently live in. I want to move after college and will probably have to go through it all again wherever I go. The advice the police gave me was to get a ring doorbell and a lock off of Amazon. To give you an indication of the kind of police I’m dealing with, I should mention I don’t live far from Akron, Ohio.
Maaaan police in Ohio don’t give a fuck. Last year my sisters friend had a dude over and he ended up staying the night and leaving early asf. Come to find out he took her new custom hand gun that she was about to sign for THAT DAY. She wasn’t too worried, she figured he would’ve just sold it cuz the night before he was tryna see it and apparently didn’t know shit about shit, anyway, her my sister and I are tryna call the police and at the very least get a report going and instead of “911 what’s your emergency?” We get an IMMEDIATE interruption like “if it’s an immediate emergency please hold” and we sat there for a good 5-10 minutes like god forbid somebody was getting killed
@@ZeliBnnuy “Surprisingly” it’s like that in all states
Requiring you to know her address to get a protection order. To defeat the stalker, you must become the stalker 🤔
Was she ugly?
@@EmperorStarscream Why does that matter?
I completely agree with what you said about the “nothing left to lose” mentality. Making final arrangements like that takes a good amount of time, yet he didn’t waver. She’s very fortunate, I think this easily could have been a tragedy. It’s disagraceful how lightly law enforcement takes these cases.
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@@catsinburg8626 Eh, I don't normally reply to them but the fact that either someone is manually copy/pasting this type of shit or they made a bot promoting sexualizing underage children is absolute disgusting. I've never seen one of these TH-cam mass commenter promoting and supporting child abuse so I decided to make fun of them before reporting them. I can ignore those bots promoting their TH-cam account, but it's hard to ignore someone advocating for this type of shit.
just makes a even BETTER argument for the right to self defense....."nO oNe NeEdS a GuN"
woman being actively stalked for months calls 911 because the guy is trying to break into her residence - gets put on hold and cops arrive 33 mins later. imagine what could have happened in 33 mins......
I just want to say, I love all these comments not blaming the streamer for "creating" these environments. My heart also goes out to anyone who has or are dealing with stalkers and similar situations. It's not a joke, it's such a serious issue that needs to be taken as such. No one should have to live their life in fear or stop it all together because someone is clearly a threat and not being stopped. Absolutely disheartening.
In her case, she does indeed facilitate a "community" of deprived, mentally unstable pathetic men. Does that make the issue any less serious? Of course not. But don't act surprised if you do something every day that jeopardizes your wellbeing and safety and act dumbfounded as to why it happens. She would do amazing if she stuck to only fans, yet she chooses to lick mics on stream for hours on end where there's insane foot traffic, bringing in these sick demented men.
Saw Philly D talk about this and those tweets annoyed me to my core. Just because someone shows their body does not mean they should have to deal with a stalker. Nobody should have to deal with a stalker. Hopefully this situation is done and over with now
I saw some victim blaming under the comment she left here though :(
Well to be fair, if you're a sex worker like this person that uploads pornographic content to onlyfans and very sexual content to twitch, of course there will be some incel creeps that will want more than just visual satisfaction, she should have taken more steps to protect her privacy or invested in a house with more security (she makes a lot of money), I'm not justifying what her stalker is doing but it doesn't seem like it would be uncommon to have stalkers as a popular sex worker
Someone needs to tell her that she can hire an attorney that does victim's rights advocacy. I recently hired a law firm and I'm finally being taken seriously after 4 years of suffering. I'm reposting this because I want to help this girl.
It blows me away just how little we have in the way of anti-stalking laws
Yeah and when they defend themselves they get in trouble.
The scariest thing about stalkers is that the situation WILL escalate if nothing is done. I've seen this happen time and time again. Even if the victim doesn't end up dead, it still leaves you with trauma and feeling unsafe in your own home. Absolutely ridiculous.
Which most of the time law enforcement doesn't try doing anything. And I would say that 7/10 times the person being stalked will end up dead.
This is why personal protection is so important. It's apparent civilians cannot always count on law enforcement to follow through with their duties.
@Redimere Payne Yeah its pretty crazy tbh, glad your case panned out alright for the most part, but some people don't know how to stop and that is when they become most dangerous. And in many cases, the only thing that stopped them was personal defense or another person stepping in and forcing the stalker by physical force. Disturbing.
Omfg I watched this video yesterday Night and I swear to God I got a package from somone in Africa who messaged me on Xbox, I literally just told then that I didn't know them and to please not message me. The swore that they were 12 and really nice but also asked if I had a mic so we could talk. I do have a mic but didn't want to talk and he deleted all his messages when I told him to leave me alone. That was like 3 days ago, the package went through customs and was addressed to me by my name. My uncle is a police officer and he told me that he most likely was trying to groom me by sending me gifts and sending me a mic so we could talk and I could warm up to him. I NEVER thought that this would happen to me but it's fking terrifying. This man knows where I live and what my name is, he clearly has money for an Xbox and can easily sell that stuff just like how Charlie describes in the video and get a plane ticket and fly to my house, town, state and find me. It's highly unlikely but also very possible.
@Redimere Payne yes, I'm under the age of 18 and my account of Xbox looks like a 5 year olds account (I made the account when I was 7 and so the pfp and name just look childish) I have thought about changing my pfp but I like my name but now idk what to do
BrookeAB is another streamer who has her life ruined by multiple stalkers continuing to issue death threats against her. She's in a relationship all her stalkers try to ruin (boyfriend get as many death threats as she does), can't ever go out without heavy protection and always has to make sure no one knows where she is / will be. When she's on streams with other creators they always have to make sure that 1. their location isn't leaked and 2. they're out of there the second stream ends, just in case one of the stalkers knows where they are. Public appearances like TwitchCon are impossible for her. Just imagine how horrible that must be. Just because she's a woman on the internet and some deranged guys find her stream. And while police have acted in Brooke's case, it obviously wasn't enough as her situation isn't getting any better.
oh shit, Brooke is super sweet, I had no idea her situation was this bad. This is so unbelievably fucked up, it's insane that someone's situation can get this bad and still nothing is done.
This is disturbing. Stalking is a bigger problem than ever, particularly due to parasocial relationships. Most streamers have their bread and butter on parasocial relationships, and when you have thousands or tens of thousands of viewers there's bound to be some with issues, some who don't understand boundaries, some with mental health problems, et cetera.
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Honestly, you can control parasocial relationships easily if you are smart. The reason twitch streamers and shit are targeted is because there brain dead thots unable to decern the audience they are attracting.
You really wrote et cetera instead of etc
@littlemikeymyers0 shut up mike
My apartment got broke in and when I called the cops they asked me if I have any mental conditions and didn't take me seriously. lol.
My gf had a stalker when i met her, after we started dating i basically told the guy to fuck off or else... Fortunately this person turned out to be a coward because they did fuck off. Also sorry when you mentioned Amouranth had armed guards and the guy still tried to break in i just had that one song that goes like: "Ain't nothing gonna break my stride, ain't nothing gonna hold me down, oh no." On a loop in my head, i pictured this dude walking up to the place with that tune until it suddenly stops when he gets some hot lead to the dome(head). That's rather dark but i thought it was funny.
Yeah that's basically all you can do is take it into your own hands cuz police don't give a shit. It's the equivalent of the FNAF games. Just leaving a guy in an obviously bad situation that could kill him and all he has to defend himself is what he can use.
This is what happens when people get so attached to their favorite streamer. Even Charlie has some weirdos that Unironically think he’s the greatest human on the planet and they quiver when he uploads and shit. It’s what happens when the streamer treats the audience like they are all very close personal friends, instead of an audience.
Twitch is basically the best place for parasocial relationships to form. Remember y’all, you don’t know the streamer. Y’all aren’t friends.
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I feel like Charlie tries to keep things from getting parasocial, though. I dunno though
It’s genuinely disgusting to see how poorly law enforcement treats reports of stalkers
Stuff like this is what turned my friend into a pro-gun advocate. A psycho was banging on her door and cops would not come. She's a 5 foot girl who lives in a ghetto area.
Thing is, they constitutionally do not have obligation to "Save you" from murder. Supreme Court has ruled that multiple times. For some reason, people still think cops are there to save you. No. They just have responsibility to capture criminals after the fact, when it's safe and convenient to do so. SWAT will deal with armed criminals but if you really want to be safe you're gonna just have to arm yourself and/or live with someone who knows how to defend the household.
They'll come over and draw chalk around your dead body though.
Nah it’s disgusting what california wants to do to law enforcement so that people don’t get the help they need at a reasonable time
Defund the police!!!!
From what I've been told. Unless there's extremely red hand evidence with threats and stalking, it's extremely hard to make legitimate arrests on stalkers. The best defense is a good offense in this case.
@@chaffeecityusa1129 That’ll just make it worse 😂😂😂 fund the police and give them programs and staff so they can combat stalkers without having to just toss it aside and move onto the next serious crime
I can’t even imagine what goes through the minds of these people. Like even if you, god forbid, actually meet the person you’re stalking, what the hell are you expecting will happen? What the fuck?
I think for them it’s like an episode. I don’t believe they’re in their right mind when they’re doing this and it probably stems from a traumatic event like the loss of a loved one or financial stress.
They're delusional. They believe one of two things will happen:
A. the streamer they're stalking will suddenly fall in love with them and they'll live happily ever after
or B. They'll finally get their chance to enact whatever violent fantasies they have (like in the case of Sweet Anita.)
It's literally something that's near-impossible to comprehend as a sane individual.
I think the "point" of the stalking and the violation of boundaries is that it's a cheap way to get attention and acknowledgement from the person they are obsessing over.
It's not necessarily about having an end goal. By constantly harassing the streamer, they insert themselves without that person's life. They become an active subject of discussion and may even push the streamer into taking certain life decisions (e.g. living alone, gated community, etc)
@@randomnpc445 Yeah I do behavioural science and you're exactly right. You can't think of stalkers as rational decision-makers. They become more dangerous the more their delusion is threatened. It's also one of the most paradoxical experiences as trying to get away from a stalker is when they're most dangerous, but doing nothing won't deter their behaviour either.
they know they can't have the person so they make them uncomfortable and unsafe to feel power over them, that's it
restraining orders are bad too, because you have to inform your stalker where they can't be... which they obviously won't listen to. It's basically a game of "I'm over here but don't touch me teehee".
Stalking should be a crime. It's amazing to me how deranged shit like this gets no attention from law enforcement
It is a crime.
@@FriendlySniperYT yes, it is. One that is often not acted on.
@@legendarytomatobird2816 Sadly.
Amouranth should have said "I will shoot the stalker if you do not come" when she called police. That would have got them to come since they seem to care more about protecting the criminal than the victim nowadays.
I feel like she would've went to jail as compared to them actually doing something
@@WingZX1103 no she wouldn’t be in jail because she would have been in her house when she shot him so it’s just
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@@imdonemakingnewaccounts7311 thats not how the castle doctrine works. You cant go around shooting people in your house for no reason. Simply stalking is not a lethal threat.
@@generalspaz3668 YES YOU CAN IF THEYRE IN YOURE HOUSE ”just go around you’re house shooting” What the fuck are you talking about “just go around” like they’re in YOURE house uninvited so theyre intruders and even IF she got arrested you’re pure delusional if you think she doesn’t have a good chance of winning in court
“To protect and serve”, hits a little different when you know they aren’t gonna do anything. Police want the public to like them and yet they continue to show they’re inability to protect or serve
She should've said that the man has a camera. They would've scrambled all forces. Apparently, a camera is bigger threat to national security and the people than a guy shooting up a school.
Not to mention they can out right refuse to help because THEY feel unsafe instead of calling for back-up.
"to protect and serve" is actually not part of their oath at all. They have no legal obligation to protect you. You pay them with your taxes and they repay you by protecting their own interests over anything else. They're there for the paycheck and a power trip. Don't trust them.
Their job isn't to "protect and serve" how most bootlickers think it is. Their job is to uphold the law, and that's it. If no laws have been broken, their hands are clean. They are not here to protect you, they are here to make money for the state. The end. The supreme court has ruled a hundred times over that if you get hurt, they aren't to blame. Unless you are in their custody.
To Protect and Serve is a saying meant to protect and serve THE LAW not the PEOPLE. If anyone misconstrued that, that’s your own fault
Person: “ hey this guy said he was gonna kill me “
Police: “ well he hasn’t killed you yet so nothing we can do about it 🤷♂️ “
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@@BaitPolice Jesus christ is the comment section becoming Twitter now?
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It's crazy how Stalkers even exist.
How can someone be so obsessed with another person that they would be willing to haunt their victims every waking moment? to make them afraid for their lives?
A chunk of them are unfortunately fucked in their logical department.
This is why I'm so scared of the world I'm only 17 and already dealt with a couple stalkers. I mean my first job I ever got a 30 year old man was creeping on me and saying he couldn't wait till I was 18 and asking what my taste in men was like wtf! I immediately quit my job after that. Ever since I've been scared! Not to mention the horror stories my mom tells me about that happens to her everyday at work!
jesus!! be safe please!
what the fuck!? please take care of yourself :(
Carry lead rounds, take some handgun classes and get your CCW permit. Better to have it and not need it vs need it and not have it when officers aren't willing to intervene until his hands are on you. Stay safe.
that is sooooo weird, hope nothing happens to you. I am a 31 woman and old and all still have creeps around. I learnt krav maga and how to shoot, also how to fight with knives. ITS THEM OR US
Yeah, and it probably gets worse if one is in a smaller town where the can more easily find you going about day-to-day lives. It's really concerning that this is an issue, and it should be far more strongly punished than it actually is in more places.
I was stalked in high school by this really tall guy, he literally stood outside classrooms and shit. I eventually had to tell him off, but it went on for a month before it actually happened because I had no idea what to do. They always tell students what to do when dealing with bullying, or any action that has already happened, yet never explain how to prevent it such as stalking.
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That is a terrible situation, and I know you probably have some more trust issues now, but hang in there, I don’t know what else to say, I’m just some guy on the internet. Hope you are doing well 🙂
@Kavetion the mold on the floor of a thirty one year old psychiatric ward has more value then you do.
My story isn’t as severe, but my online friends and I started crew and we recruited a guy named Zach. He had some anger and mental issues and the problems that he would cause in our crew led to his removal. Since then, he stalked us online by joining any game we’d play and this continued for 4 months. He was just a nuisance really and not much of a threat but the fact that he would constantly join our game sessions for months on end was kinda ridiculous
But most games you need to friend/party/lobby password or blocking them. I can only imagine games with something like 64player servers being an issue but how would he even know you are online
Yeah do you care to elaborate on how you knew he was in your game?
I had a minor case a while back too. One of my peers in college became fixated on my senior animation project, but was kinda an unpleasant person to be around. After graduation I cut off contact. He proceeded to evade my blocks and continuously try to contact me and draw me things for months. He also became fixated on my friend, through sheer association with me, found her place of work, and showed up looking for her multiple times. Luckily her workplace is a government-owned building, so they're taking things seriously enough to ban him from the premises. But it's just been really stressful, a lot of little things that build up. Just when you start getting comfortable enough to forget it ever happened, he pops up again trying to insert himself into your life. Thankfully I've moved away so I'm at least a little safer from dealing with that creep, but my friend is still living and working in the same place. It's been a year and we're still having incidents. It sucks, I feel you my man
I like to imagine this was posted by an OTK member about Asmon.
What kind of game are you playing for someone to be able to snipe your lobbies for 4 months straight if all of you removed him from socials and stuff?
So I know these streamers aren't sex workers, but I noticed the police reacted (or rather, failed to react) in the same way they fail to react if a sex worker is stalked or harassed or even attacked. It's honestly...a lot, when the cops don't see you as worthy of protecting.
This kind of bs is so intolerable. I'm not a streamer, but I am a female gamer. I had a stalker from a guild in game, who I tried to tell politely that I had a bf (who played the same game, in the same guild, who he knew and saw me spend every moment of my time with - no f'ing confusion should've been there) and our 'friendship' had to end because things were getting really weird. He proceeded to "ghost" in my boyfriend/my private discord channel, wherein we were the only members. We were telling each other how much we loved each other one night in voice, suddenly a familiar voice from our guild YELLS and starts screaming and crying... we both knew it was him by his voice. He didn't show up as "in the chat" though. Who knows how long he was in there creeping before he revealed himself. Within 48 hours I was hacked and a discord smurf posted photos of me, my family, etc. that were nowhere online, just on my computer, and had all my personal info. Even a photo of me by a dying loved one's side in their final days in the hospital. Then the threatening messages came. I called the police as soon as I was hacked and they acted soooooo concerned, I also contacted discord about the situation. Guess what... nothing done at all. This sicko posted photos and all my info in multiple discord channels with over 20k members... and made me scared to game or talk to anyone online for years. It took ages to overcome the trauma, and the police didn't do anything... though they pretended to care (even had a cybercrime investigator talk to me). It was so traumatic and in the end, nothing happened to him. My life just was turned upside down with no repercussions.
bro. thats so fucking frustrating i'm convinced police are way way way too fucking overpaid
L woman
@@noobslayerxxx nigga this aint funny
@@kyokotakoya7257 Well the pay is irellevant when people arent doing their jobs. Especially when that job can have life threatening consequences or lead to ptsd, obviously there is something wrong with the system in which they solve certain crimes or focus on certain crimes, but to say the same people that you would call during say...a mass shooting are overpaid because some are incompetent is just tribalist at that point.
Think of it this way, a politician doesnt get paid what THEY believe is worth 'running a country', what do they do? Change the laws so that they could launder in money somehow, so we reduce the pay and it encourages the politicians to be even more corrupt. When it comes to these public service jobs that are quite high intensity and extremely necessary, its not as simple as firing a goddamn walmart worker, its an odd balance, incentivizing people to want to serve the public while having them do their job correctly. We dont do it completely right, but the whole defunding bullshit definitely is part of the wrong and solves none of the issues that caue people justify defunding.
holy shit who cares
From the time she called the police to the time that they got there, she could've been killed 3 times over. It's ridiculous and terrifying how little law enforcement does in cases of stalking.
Yeah she could have easily been killed at least 10 times over like 33 minutes is a fucking insane amount of time
As a wise man once said. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in Texas, buy a big fucking gun.
@@zacharyomalley355 bfg from doom
@@zacharyomalley355 she said she can’t buy one
It is ridiculous and terrifying how little law enforcement does that isn't more damaging than if they didn't exist. DEFUND THE POLICE
I was a small time streamer, living in the uk. I’m male, so this is one of those rare cases. Was streaming one night when some woman (I didn’t know it at the time, but she was around my age) subbed to me and said hi, so I said hi back and continued with my stream. I noticed that she’d join my stream, and donate to me a lot more often after I said hi. She told me my face looked beautiful and how she’d date me, so I was getting pretty weirded out. Skip a few months and this random 14 year old girl is at my door, I ask her what’s up and she asks me if I’m (insert my old twitch user) so I said yes and her face Lit up. Bear in mind she was American so I’m assuming she travelled here from there. After that she’d continue coming to my house, I told her to stop but she didn’t, it got bad to the point where she’d try to drag me out and kiss me. She got taken away in the end but I still don’t feel safe today.
This is insane. The fact she has armed guards already is concerning. I'm guessing she deals with something like this a lot. People are so fucked up sometimes. I feel bad for people in these situations, especially when law enforcement seems to do jack shit. So much for protect and serve.
she is a sex worker, she sells pornographic content on only fans and does very sexual asmr videos on twitch, and she's very popular so she has a lot of horny male viewers. (she has even been temporarily banned on twitch for revealing too much skin/licking the microphone almost naked). She has the right to do what she wants of course but she should consider that making these kinds of content for millions of horny males could get her stalkers, but she's not privacy conscious at all (livestreaming near her home, etc) of course the stalkers are to blame but she should also take some precautions, if not investing in a more secure home at least being more privacy conscious like some youtubers such as pewdiepie do
this is fucking terrifying to think about experiencing. Charlie, the main reason cops don’t prevent this kind of violence is because they’re only obligated to punish crime, not to prevent it
stalking in of itself is a crime, so they aren't doing their jobs at all. zero excuse
But the guy broke into Amouranth's home and they still didn't do anything. That's the issue.
Cops in the western countries are there to protect the capital, not people
@Don't Read My Profile Photo shut up
cops aren't obligated to help you save you lmao.
Thanks supreme court!
I'm positive Charlie has atleast one hard-core stalker of his own. Stay safe out their Charlie
I’m sure that makes him feel great to hear
Stay safe, king.
@@360Turn That's not the point...
@@360Turn its a sad reality but all big personalities need to stay vigilant for patterns of creepy behaviour
At this point, if you are a super massive popular streamer, having a stalker is inevitable. 100% chance. Our society is sick.
Oh right. Arrest people with vague evidence for years in death row to find out when they’re in their 80s that they didn’t do the crime, instead of arresting people with CLEAR as water evidence and waiting till the person is dead to do something. And guess what? They don’t even stay longer than 25 years. Sometimes I think people are actual trolls even irl. Absolute madness.
What's the point of even having anti-stalking laws if they don't protect the victims?
At least in the US it's how the law works, apparently. The police legally can refuse to help individuals even when there's a million red flags or if they're in actual danger.
There's many horror stories about how social workers couldn't get law enforcement to remove children from parents and the kids getting killed by them shortly after, or them not doing anything about kidnapping cases, or the recent shooting in Texas even. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that by extension the same thing happens with stalking.
In nearly all cases that anyone cares about, the police have no legal requirement to do anything. You can call them and tell them someone is threatening you with a knife, and it is legal for them to say "fuck that, I ain't getting stabbed" and nope out. They have more legal duty to protect actual prisoners than normal people.
currently being stalked by my ex boyfriend, this stuff is really scary, he has made multiple alternative accounts on social media in attempts to speak to me, but whenever i block a new account just pops up. im terrified of how it affected my relationships with my friends, family and current boyfriend (at one point i was worried that having a stalker would scare him away). im in the process of getting a restraining order because this is absolutely unacceptable.
I'm so sorry you have to deal with them. I hope things turn out better for ya soon.
Do it G. No one has the right to take your privacy away from you. You got this 👍
@@littlemoth4956 thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot to me :')
Honestly! I’m glad youre taking legal action but it makes me sad that you have to. I hope you can get your security back 💕
I went through that too, stalker wouldn’t leave me alone for almost three years afterwards making new accounts and leaving scary voicemails and endless new numbers. It’s so horrifying. I’m so sorry this is happening to you and I hope everything works out and you are safe!!
LegalEagle just covered this on a separate topic but, as awful as it is, the police are under no obligation to actually protect you. They are only there to enforce the law when it is broken.
Man I never thought I'd be so convinced to pursue vigilante justice, but due to reading that? I guess it's time for Phoenix Jones 2 electric boogaloo
@@Concerned_Custodian no one should rely on the government to feel safe
@@joeyatkin9984 isn't the point of government to protect the citizens? The US constitution is based on enlightenment ideals in France at the time, of which the social contract seemed to directly inspire some of it. Where the government, in exchange for the citizen's rights and freedoms, offers protection for them and their property. Something like that.
If nobody can/should rely on the government for safety, why have a government at all?
At least theoretically.
And they only protect the assets/capital of the ruling class/elite so they'll happily beat you if you touch the windows of a bank for example. Always has been this way, even before democracy and capitalism.
@@rawonions8827 Lemme put it to you like this...
There's the burger you see on the commercial...
Then there's the burger you actually get when you buy
I have a friend who is very well known in cosplay circles. She has had the same stalker for over 10 years now. They've assumed her identity on social media pages and lewd sites, and have sold chat/phone sessions with themselves playing her. They've lost her jobs because of accusing her of the crime he committed against *her* and other defamatory statements made publicly. Law enforcement doesn't do a damn thing. They don't care.
I have friends that this has happened to. It’s genuinely terrifying, and I still can’t comprehend how stalkers can justify their behavior. They genuinely need help.
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@@jankington216 good
He used the word “genuinely” so you know he’s serious
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Same thing applied to the law enforcement in Japan. They won’t do shit until someone gets either murdered/assaulted. Even if they call the cops when someone is stalking/groping them, they would occasionally say “Are you hurt? Do you get physically assaulted? No? Then grow tf up.”
Edit: Despite Amouranth earn a huge ton of money. That kind of career will always draw risk of attention from stalkers whether they hate it or not
I heard a *crazy* amount of Japanese women are assault on public transport.
@@salteadog33 The problem is so remarkable that nowdays certain trains have areas that are exclusive for women.
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Makes me remember the absolutely disgusting junko situation. The fact that the perpetrators are free right now, and even the mother of one of the abusers defiled junko's memorial because she "ruined my child's life". Actual monsters
@@MrcreeperDXD777 Haven't heard that far into the junko situation. This is just sickening.
My fiance is a police dispatcher and he actually gets pissed off and demands officers go back to stalker calls and take them seriously. The police do not take these calls seriously at all. I have a stalker problem myself that has left me with a lot of mental problems, and the only advice I can give anyone is to never leave the house alone. It will cripple you and hinder your ability to enjoy life, but that's the only thing I've been able to do to maintain my safety.
your husband is doing amazing work, i cannot begin to imagine how terrifying having a stalker is, and then to have police fucking ignore me about it? id go insane, buy a gun and probably get arrested bc of paranoia induced gun mis-use
It really sucks in Houston, where charlie mentioned this was happening, since there was an incident when my gf had to call the police for someone being disruptive and harassing other people at her job. She works in between two nightclubs at a gas station and there are alot of creeps that try to get all up in some woman's bussiness. She used to call the cops, but they avg took about an hour to come by when her and her coworkers wouldve already had handled the situation. Emergency response has been so fucked in texas these past few years
I always implore anyone, especially if you are leaving and going out at night to please go out and return home with a friend, or person that you trust
This is why the entire police force needs reform. We can't rely on 1 in a million "good cops" to l get the entire force to do their jobs.
Law enforcement doesn't respond to stalked streamers, even with their stalker trying to break into their house.
But swatting? they love swatting!. They will swat a streamer based on any anonymous calls, no questions asked.
you're not very smart are you
Swatting is fun though, they get to dress up in their big boy riot gear and shoot people.
I keep saying that SWAT calls should have to have identity confirmation.
If you really believe there are people with guns and trying to go hurt people, you should be just fine with giving the police your name when you call for their help. If you can’t give your name then it’s obviously not that important. The police can simply just not release your name if you’re for real.
What if victims did a "reverse stalking" and swatted the stalker ?
SWAT is different than the police you see driving around. A completely different branch and team of police. Generalizing the obviously two different branches make no sense. Civil force police officers do not respond to swatting calls. A specific SWAT force is sent. Civil force police officers are the ones who are sent for stalking cases.
What this tells you, these civil force officers need reform. SWAT are responsible and accountable for their specific job.
You can tell this has gone too far if a Twitch streamer needs a personal security guard. That's so fucked up, I hope that guy goes to jail or at least gets deported
the bots are really getting out of hand
@@pixxL_ yep, it's also bait accounts as well.
Defund the police!!!!
Just make a video about finding them back beating them up and put it on TH-cam for views...
Someone will get rich
The only reason I could think of that he'd bring a saxophone is so he can busk for money and not starve, but if he sold his house, short term cash flow shouldn't be an issue. Super suspicious.
Could also be that it's a thing he is keeping to cope or maybe he just liked it as a hobby or item, but yeah it's pretty sus and specific
I think he definitely could have brought it for bad reasons but i think it's also likely that he just wanted to keep playing saxophone, musicians get super attatched to their instruments
@@icedragon9097 Yep, I don't think it's weird at all that he kept the sax. Everything else about this is weird, but that part isn't.
Him selling everything of his then going there makes me think he’s planning on doing a “if I can’t have her, no one will” type of thing so this is terrifying.