Darn! I wanted to see lots of vids on the Rhodes this winter; however, a man must earn his bread. I really enjoy all your videos and am learning a lot for my own projects.
They're still going to come!! Just not at the pace I was initially anticipating. My Winter schedule has gotten swamped so I'm going to be limited to weekends for working on the Rhodes. That said, I still am shooting to splash the little girl at some point next Summer!!!
I enjoy your videos, which are nicely made and narrated, especially that credit voiceover at the end. This one, about Teak Deck replacement, is a good intro. I liked that you pointed out the cracks on the cabin top and explained them (ice expansion is common up North, but people in the South may not know). I will share this video with other sailors, and will follow along myself as you produce more on this project. I was just writing about Teak Deck replacement last night in response to a question posed by another sailor on a popular sailing forum (Cruiser's Forum) and I will add a link to this video there. Thanks for sharing your insights and for showing us how it is done.
I have two Cheoy Lee's that need new decks. A 42 and a 44. The 42 has a plywood core and the 44 is end grain balsa. I'm going to start with the 42 and if somehow I'm not totally discouraged I'll start in on the 44. Thanks for the vids, this is exactly what I needed to motivate me to get started!
Awesome! We have a Cheoy Lee 41, luckily the previous owner took out the teak decks and replaced the stick so we didn't have to. Have only dealt with replacing teak decks once before on my moms Mason 43, and that was enough to never want to do it again!
Andy, I love your videos and look forward to seeing both your projects underway. I have a 74 Venture sitting in my driveway that needs some cabin deck repair (no teak though) and hope to learn a few techniques.
Nice Cheoy Lee...I'm doing the same thing, but I have the teak removed and core issues are next...looking forward to watching what you do since this is new ground for me!
Indeed. I'd love a modern teak deck...but that whole idea of drilling a thousand screws and bungs into something that meant to be waterproof as they used to do...my god. The horror. Plus, the price of teak has become an outrage. An *outrage*.
The beauty with the decks made by Teak Decking Systems is that they are installed essentially "screw-less". Typically only about 5% of the deck will sparingly have screws. The rest is all held in place using a flexible (mastic) epoxy. Fantastic system!!
Hy I have a 10ft tender and it's got some stress cracks on it as well as to hols about 2 inch wide and I'm wondering if I can use expanding fome on the inside as a backing before I put fibreglass on and fill it . P's excellent videos keep it up mate
Lots of work there, great video and can't wait. Andy have you had any experience with removing and installing a new fridge into a boat? I read that the companionways are limited to size and getting the old one out is impossible so you have to cut it up or de-deck the boat. I am looking at going from a top access to a front access. I figure if anyone knows it's you as i been following you for a long time, you know your stuff. Thanks Andy
Great videos. I am surprised that the owner wants to dump that much money into her. I can only imagine how much more rot that there is in other places given the amount you can see. Do you expect the repair the rot under the teak as well? Glad you have projects like this to keep you busy. Good work.
I have seen people remove teak decks but none have put teak back down. They filled the screw holes with epoxy, sanded it smooth and repainted the deck using non-skid where needed..what do you think of this?
On this project the owner is going to take it with to try and salvage in some manner. By the time it's cleaned up there won't be much left other than veneer, but hopefully it can be re-purposed somehow!!!
just curious. What are you going to use for the core, a closed cell foam, marine grade ply, or something else? Having used both I personally like the closed cell foam, but man is it expensive!
It depends on the year, we learned a lot of history about CHeoy Lee Yachts after purchasing ours. We actually reached out to one of the last yards in Hong Kong and they were able to give us all sorts of information!
Hi John! I appreciate your question, and I'm sure that's it's something that a few people are curious about but discussing details like this is not something I'm comfortable doing on a public forum :-/.. I hope you understand :-) I will say that it's certainly an investment into the boat, and in this instance it's one that makes sense; can't say the same would be true for all boats though.....
Knowing the little I do...the expense of replacing all of that has GOT to outweigh the value of that boat. I looked at some repairs to our Wellcraft St. Tropez...the LITTLE I wanted done was over $12K, and that was 100% glass work, no teak. 3 different estiamtes and all staretd at $12K, one guy said "$18K to $20K, and that's assuming I'm just doing that, I'll tell you right now, you'll need more work done because of her age". I didn't pay that for the boat...when do you say "it just isn't worth putting that kind of money into a repair, and we're better off just buying another boat and getting what we can for this one?".
Very valid point you're bringing up; and in my opinion I guess it really depends on the boat and circumstance. In this case, the boat had been in the family for many, many years and my understanding is that it was essentially handed down to the current owners. So their initial investment cost was minimal. Given that, with the cost of these repairs the value of the boat is still in line with the market. Not every boat would fall in this same situation. The bigger picture I see is that boating, much like any other recreation is not taken up as an "investment" :-) Sometimes you just have to do things that make you happy and say screw it!! They're looking to refit this for extended cruising in a few years (yes, I am a little jealous!!!)
Thanks for your insights Andy. I agree with you. I knew the things every boat owner generally learns going into my boats (BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand, a boat is just a big hole in the water you throw money into, and the best two times of a boat owners life is the day they buy their boat and the day they sell it). I've been through all three of these phases and knew going into my first boat what I was in for...my better half did not. It has caused quite a bit of discussion over the years. The old St. Tropez really needs an entire bottom scrape and re-paint, it needs spider cracks repaired, and it needs the aft decking repaired...all fiberglass work. Quotes were well over $35K, and that will never happen..no emotional attachment to this boat. LOL Again, keep up the great work. I've learned so much from you already...still too scared to try it on my own though. LOL, but I better understand why the costs are so high for quality work.
How do the economics work? 3 or 4 months of your full time labor vs buying a new boat? Are we talking 90k vs. 30k? Can you just give a ballpark figure as to the benefits to rebuilding vs new?
Dear God! Just get a new boat. You have to recore the entire deck! Is all the water penetration from improperly bedded screws through the teak deck? I assume once you remove the teak deck that you can't save the top skin because if all the holes in it. Will you layup a new top deck with fiberglass and fair it before attaching the teak deck to it? I'm really looking forward to your "adventures" with this boat!
Hoping not, but won't know for certain UNTIL I get all the teak off and can scan the fiberglass directly. But, the teak that's on there now is less than 1/4" thick and my meter scans nearly 1" deep. I know that there will be areas that need to be re-worked, but initial scanning didn't show anything too crazy :-/ Keeping fingers crossed!
For reference this boat was apraised at about $140,000, but would cost nearly quadruple to replace, so while this is a huge repair, it is worth it in the long run.
when i stoped smoking cigarettes i got in to sailing just fell in love, ill never get married now, to much to do for that. maby the canaries next year well c.
Looking forward to watching this project. I've dealt with my own teak issues, clumsily. It'll be good to see a pro like yourself tackle it.
Makes me happy our cheoy lee already had the teak decks removed
Darn! I wanted to see lots of vids on the Rhodes this winter; however, a man must earn his bread. I really enjoy all your videos and am learning a lot for my own projects.
They're still going to come!! Just not at the pace I was initially anticipating. My Winter schedule has gotten swamped so I'm going to be limited to weekends for working on the Rhodes. That said, I still am shooting to splash the little girl at some point next Summer!!!
I enjoy your videos, which are nicely made and narrated, especially that credit voiceover at the end. This one, about Teak Deck replacement, is a good intro. I liked that you pointed out the cracks on the cabin top and explained them (ice expansion is common up North, but people in the South may not know). I will share this video with other sailors, and will follow along myself as you produce more on this project. I was just writing about Teak Deck replacement last night in response to a question posed by another sailor on a popular sailing forum (Cruiser's Forum) and I will add a link to this video there. Thanks for sharing your insights and for showing us how it is done.
Thank you! Really appreciate you helping to share my channel with others :-)
Looking forward to both projects over the coming months
Thanks Donavan! Stop by if you make it up this way over the Winter!!
I have two Cheoy Lee's that need new decks. A 42 and a 44. The 42 has a plywood core and the 44 is end grain balsa. I'm going to start with the 42 and if somehow I'm not totally discouraged I'll start in on the 44. Thanks for the vids, this is exactly what I needed to motivate me to get started!
Awesome! We have a Cheoy Lee 41, luckily the previous owner took out the teak decks and replaced the stick so we didn't have to. Have only dealt with replacing teak decks once before on my moms Mason 43, and that was enough to never want to do it again!
This should be a great project to follow. Really looking forward to seeing your progress and great explanations along the way.
Thanks Greg! Hope I don't disappoint :-)
Awesome videos!!! I'm really looking forward to seeing how you will replace the core, and techniques to re-bed the the hardware.
And yes, will be tuning in. Great channel.
Andy, I love your videos and look forward to seeing both your projects underway. I have a 74 Venture sitting in my driveway that needs some cabin deck repair (no teak though) and hope to learn a few techniques.
This is exactly what I'm lookin for.......can't wait to get into the core issues.
Looking good Andy!
Good luck with these projects! Love your videos!
Thank you for the kind words!! Much appreciated ;-)
Wow that project looks like hell. Good luck, I'll keep watching. Thumb up
Thanks B!! Much appreciated :-)
can't wait to see it begin.
Nice Cheoy Lee...I'm doing the same thing, but I have the teak removed and core issues are next...looking forward to watching what you do since this is new ground for me!
Teak sure looks pretty when it's in good shape but I don't think I'd ever want a teak deck on a boat. Going to be fun watching this project!
I think they have had somewhat of a bad wrap given the "traditional" way of installing them.. Things have changed quite a bit!!
Indeed. I'd love a modern teak deck...but that whole idea of drilling a thousand screws and bungs into something that meant to be waterproof as they used to do...my god. The horror.
Plus, the price of teak has become an outrage. An *outrage*.
Have you had any experience with products like Isiteek. How do they age?
The beauty with the decks made by Teak Decking Systems is that they are installed essentially "screw-less". Typically only about 5% of the deck will sparingly have screws. The rest is all held in place using a flexible (mastic) epoxy. Fantastic system!!
Unfortunately I don't Chris :-/
Hy I have a 10ft tender and it's got some stress cracks on it as well as to hols about 2 inch wide and I'm wondering if I can use expanding fome on the inside as a backing before I put fibreglass on and fill it . P's excellent videos keep it up mate
Lots of work there, great video and can't wait. Andy have you had any experience with removing and installing a new fridge into a boat? I read that the companionways are limited to size and getting the old one out is impossible so you have to cut it up or de-deck the boat. I am looking at going from a top access to a front access. I figure if anyone knows it's you as i been following you for a long time, you know your stuff. Thanks Andy
Great videos. I am surprised that the owner wants to dump that much money into her. I can only imagine how much more rot that there is in other places given the amount you can see. Do you expect the repair the rot under the teak as well? Glad you have projects like this to keep you busy. Good work.
Will be watching with interest TY,
Great video! Thanks for the update!
Thank you KC!!!
Yep looks like a big project!
I have seen people remove teak decks but none have put teak back down. They filled the screw holes with epoxy, sanded it smooth and repainted the deck using non-skid where needed..what do you think of this?
i would pay to work with you just for the knowledge,
what do you do with the old teak? How can I get used or salvage teak?
On this project the owner is going to take it with to try and salvage in some manner. By the time it's cleaned up there won't be much left other than veneer, but hopefully it can be re-purposed somehow!!!
big bucks
just curious. What are you going to use for the core, a closed cell foam, marine grade ply, or something else? Having used both I personally like the closed cell foam, but man is it expensive!
Given this boat is destined for cruising (and I'm somewhat of a traditionalist) I'll likely go with marine ply on all stress areas.
I passed up a 41 because of the deck, I wonder if mahogany lumber was standard core material for Cheoy Lee?
It depends on the year, we learned a lot of history about CHeoy Lee Yachts after purchasing ours. We actually reached out to one of the last yards in Hong Kong and they were able to give us all sorts of information!
good times
Seems like a huge project! Can you give us an idea what this will cost the owner? Thanks
Hi John! I appreciate your question, and I'm sure that's it's something that a few people are curious about but discussing details like this is not something I'm comfortable doing on a public forum :-/.. I hope you understand :-) I will say that it's certainly an investment into the boat, and in this instance it's one that makes sense; can't say the same would be true for all boats though.....
You could buy a relatively nice car, but not a house.
...how much did all that cost?
Knowing the little I do...the expense of replacing all of that has GOT to outweigh the value of that boat. I looked at some repairs to our Wellcraft St. Tropez...the LITTLE I wanted done was over $12K, and that was 100% glass work, no teak. 3 different estiamtes and all staretd at $12K, one guy said "$18K to $20K, and that's assuming I'm just doing that, I'll tell you right now, you'll need more work done because of her age". I didn't pay that for the boat...when do you say "it just isn't worth putting that kind of money into a repair, and we're better off just buying another boat and getting what we can for this one?".
Very valid point you're bringing up; and in my opinion I guess it really depends on the boat and circumstance. In this case, the boat had been in the family for many, many years and my understanding is that it was essentially handed down to the current owners. So their initial investment cost was minimal. Given that, with the cost of these repairs the value of the boat is still in line with the market. Not every boat would fall in this same situation.
The bigger picture I see is that boating, much like any other recreation is not taken up as an "investment" :-) Sometimes you just have to do things that make you happy and say screw it!! They're looking to refit this for extended cruising in a few years (yes, I am a little jealous!!!)
Thanks for your insights Andy. I agree with you. I knew the things every boat owner generally learns going into my boats (BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand, a boat is just a big hole in the water you throw money into, and the best two times of a boat owners life is the day they buy their boat and the day they sell it). I've been through all three of these phases and knew going into my first boat what I was in for...my better half did not. It has caused quite a bit of discussion over the years. The old St. Tropez really needs an entire bottom scrape and re-paint, it needs spider cracks repaired, and it needs the aft decking repaired...all fiberglass work. Quotes were well over $35K, and that will never happen..no emotional attachment to this boat. LOL
Again, keep up the great work. I've learned so much from you already...still too scared to try it on my own though. LOL, but I better understand why the costs are so high for quality work.
How do the economics work? 3 or 4 months of your full time labor vs buying a new boat? Are we talking 90k vs. 30k? Can you just give a ballpark figure as to the benefits to rebuilding vs new?
Dear God! Just get a new boat. You have to recore the entire deck! Is all the water penetration from improperly bedded screws through the teak deck? I assume once you remove the teak deck that you can't save the top skin because if all the holes in it. Will you layup a new top deck with fiberglass and fair it before attaching the teak deck to it? I'm really looking forward to your "adventures" with this boat!
Hoping not, but won't know for certain UNTIL I get all the teak off and can scan the fiberglass directly. But, the teak that's on there now is less than 1/4" thick and my meter scans nearly 1" deep. I know that there will be areas that need to be re-worked, but initial scanning didn't show anything too crazy :-/ Keeping fingers crossed!
For reference this boat was apraised at about $140,000, but would cost nearly quadruple to replace, so while this is a huge repair, it is worth it in the long run.
What is this scanner you speak of?
when i stoped smoking cigarettes i got in to sailing just fell in love, ill never get married now, to much to do for that. maby the canaries next year well c.
just wish i didn't have to pay for repairs, darn.