The Avro Manchester: The Lancaster’s Unlucky Older Brother...

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  • @stephencostello3174
    @stephencostello3174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    My uncle was a pilot in the Lancaster. He was killed during a training flight in a single seater in the mid 70s. God Bless all our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. True heroes.

  • @sherirobinson6867
    @sherirobinson6867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This was an interesting snippet of history. When I was a kid, my brother and I would spend hours putting together model bi-planes and early flyer's. I'm still fascinated with them 5 decades later.

  • @jamesharmer9293
    @jamesharmer9293 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Adding to the Manchester's woes was the Air Ministry requirement that the wingspan be less than 100 feet so the aircraft would fit into existing hangars. This gave the Manchester stubby low aspect ratio wings which restricted it's lifting capacity and ceiling. When Avro stretched the wings to fit on four Merlins, they fixed this problem. Presumably, Bomber Command had to build some new hangars, but this is never mentioned.

    • @paulslevinsky580
      @paulslevinsky580 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Sterling, a massive bomber, was hobbled by this unnecessary restriction. Britain was turned into a base from which the second front was established, and new airfields with new hangars were being turned operational at a rate of one every several days.

    • @liampaterson3424
      @liampaterson3424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The wingspan thing is a bit misleading as most RAF hangars had something like 115ft long doors, and let's not forget the Lancaster only had a slightly larger span of about 103ft than aircraft like the Stirling.

    • @paulslevinsky580
      @paulslevinsky580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@liampaterson3424 The Lancaster is an up-engined Manchester. The limitation was in the spec that the Sterling and early Halifax were built to. Kinda bizarre really.

  • @ladymeghenderson9337
    @ladymeghenderson9337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you for this, it is a fascinating story, I had never heard of the Manchester, but I salute the designers and the men who flew in her.

  • @russellnixon9981
    @russellnixon9981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    An excellent documentary on the development of the ill fated Manchester boomer, a very important but over looked aircraft.
    A well researched, produced and illustrated film. Thank you for tacking the time to make this.

  • @coreyandnathanielchartier3749
    @coreyandnathanielchartier3749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The poor field engineers who had to service these Vulture engines must have thought, 'you've got to be f#$%$g kidding!' Just a couple of years later, the Bristol and P&W radials were putting out far more power, even the Merlin/Griffin series. One of the problems with the 'welded-together engines', as they were described by RM Goering is, the amount of radiator area needed to cool this massive chunk of metal exceeded the frontal area of the engine, negating the aerodynamic advantage of having two less nacelles. It might, however, free up more wing space for fuel. Not sure if anyone ever was able to make a truly-reliable engine in the X or H shape. This is a great video with some obscure drawings and info that one doesn't often come across. Thanks.

  • @johnwayne6501
    @johnwayne6501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love this video and thank you for sharing it history. I started building model kits when I was 12 yrs old (I'm now 59) and in 1980's when I first got my Landcaster model I was amazed at it size. I later learn about the Manchester and never could find a model of one until 2 weeks ago. Back in 1980's I bought a extra Landcaster thinking I would cut the wings off to make a Manchester out of it but it would be right so I waited for a model to come out in the marketplace. The wait was in 1985 and I finally got one ..37 yrs later.

    • @vincentlefebvre9255
      @vincentlefebvre9255 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I used an old airfix Lancaster with a resin conversion kits for the wings. What brand was your kit ?

  • @angelsone-five7912
    @angelsone-five7912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Well done, never forget that every brilliant child had a mother, eh.

  • @Techumsa
    @Techumsa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Iive down the road from the old Rolls Royce factory in Leavesden, its now home to the Harry Potter museum and Warner Bro film studios. I taught my 15 year old daughter to drive a truck on the once famous runway where many a Lancaster had taken off from.

    • @johnjephcote7636
      @johnjephcote7636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I lived on the boundary at Leavesden from 1949 to 1951.It was de Haviland's engine factory (the main factory being at Hatfield. I recall the sound of Ghost engines (for the Vampire and Comet) being run up and shut down.They had a lengthy runway because, HP Halixes were assembled there for the London Aircraft Production Group, part of which was at Aldenham (the later LT bus overhaul works and intended to be a tube car depot). I went to many open days in the 1960s when I came back to live nearby and they extended the runway during that time.

    • @Techumsa
      @Techumsa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnjephcote7636 So it was Halifax bombers not Lancaster bombers in Leavesden, you can still see the hangers in Hatfield and one is a police station. There's also the De Haviland Mosquito museum in South Mims also.

  • @51actual
    @51actual 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video. Packard also made Merlin engines. The Victory Aircrsft Lancaster FM213 based in Hamilton Ontario Canada has them.

    • @davidhollenshead4892
      @davidhollenshead4892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Packard built engines were more reliable than those made by Rolls. After the war, new Mustangs were built with Alison engines which were even more reliable but had less power than the Merlin. There is a rule to building race car engines which also applies to piston aviation engines: that the more powerful you make it, the shorter the lifespan between rebuilds...

  • @brucegibbins3792
    @brucegibbins3792 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The Lancaster heavy bomber in service with WW2 era RAF flies high and proud and is the British bomber that slogged its way over Europe to accomplish its purpose for being.
    Who would have thought that twenty years ago at Rongotai Airport in Wellington, New Zealand, parked near the domestic passenger terminal was an Avro Lancaster.
    No longer in its wartime camouflage paint scheme, this bird was painted white and was in service with the French airforce in the Pacific.

  • @oxcart4172
    @oxcart4172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A very well presented video of a very unusual subject. Well done sir!

  • @NickMusselle
    @NickMusselle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So Much bravery forgotten by most.

    • @stephencostello3174
      @stephencostello3174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      God Bless the greatest generation!! These men and women gave all to fight the evil all over the world. It seems we are doomed to repeat this because it's not taught anymore. We will soon see if the current generation has the intestinal fortitude to face the 21st Century

  • @travisgamble8765
    @travisgamble8765 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a Canadian raised with the legends of the Wellington, Halifax and Lancaster, it was so enlightening and refreshing to see such effort put into the story of the Manchester. I always knew about it, but as a footnote and a predecessor to the Lancaster. I was so pleased to learn so much and see such attention put to the history of the Manchester. Thank you for doing this and helping us all remember what came before.

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Incomplete Manchester fuselages were modified on the assembly line to Lancasters.

  • @loddude5706
    @loddude5706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Oh yeah, an engine may well grenade on you, you've only got two & they're identical." . . . thanks, think I'll try the Navy.

  • @Mishn0
    @Mishn0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've always thought the Manchester was a better looking aircraft than the Lancaster. Especially if it has the center fin on the tail. More pleasing proportions, I think.

  • @LesSharp
    @LesSharp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work. Esoteric subject material, good research, lots of photos. Love it.

  • @fredschriks8554
    @fredschriks8554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video again gentlemen. Gives me something to watch during this storm going on.

    • @kaptainkaos1202
      @kaptainkaos1202 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Storm?

    • @fredschriks8554
      @fredschriks8554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kaptainkaos1202 There was a big storm today in the Netherlands.

  • @OldSalior44
    @OldSalior44 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very well done.Thank you keep the good workup. God bless those airmen!

  • @Max_Flashheart
    @Max_Flashheart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was an excellent video

  • @graemewilce3057
    @graemewilce3057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Lancaster was the best Bomber aircraft ever built during WW2 So there you have it ....................................

  • @vincentlefebvre9255
    @vincentlefebvre9255 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good informations about a less known plane.

  • @terrystephens1102
    @terrystephens1102 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was an excellent episode, thanks. 😁👌👏👏👏

  • @schanche1965
    @schanche1965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's really a case of the sad failure of the RR Vulture engine, something that should have been very good but rarely for RR turned out to be a total lemon.
    Imagine if the Vulture had been a total success and the next logical step had been an Avro Super Bomber using 4 fully sorted Vultures.
    It probably would have shortened the war significantly and actually saved many lives.

  • @RemusKingOfRome
    @RemusKingOfRome 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video.

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I suppose that the Lancaster was really part of a continum; the Manchester, Lancaster, Lancastrian, then a jump to the East Midlands with the Lincoln and Lincolnian and then it's polar explorer's with the Shackleton and the end of the design type.

  • @pauljohnaon4225
    @pauljohnaon4225 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video extremely informative looking forward to the next video

  • @raymondyee2008
    @raymondyee2008 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Roy Chadwick of Avro was only upset that he had to pick the Vulture engines for the Manchester; otherwise he saw the airframe as the sound design that would lead to the Lancaster.

  • @colinmartin2921
    @colinmartin2921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Lancaster would have been greater if it was not such a death trap for its crews. Life was obviously cheap to the British, or else they would have provided the Lancaster with escape hatches that were big enough for crewmen to get through wearing parachutes, and with armoured fuel tanks and fuel lines, in order to stop the aircraft flaming out like a Roman candle.

  • @HarborLockRoad
    @HarborLockRoad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whats a Heinkel 70 doing in front of the rolls royce plant?

    • @grahamwebster1549
      @grahamwebster1549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RR bought it to test engines. At that time no British aircraft was streamlined enough to suit the Merlin.

  • @redtomcat1725
    @redtomcat1725 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative ! Well done !!

  • @oneshotme
    @oneshotme 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up as a support

  • @kenkesler3087
    @kenkesler3087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I knew the history of the Lancaster, but was not very familiar with the Vulture engine. Knowing something about engines (my father was an aircraft mechanic), I was curious about the Vulture.
    The Vulture was one of those things that worked well in theory, but not in practice. Hooray for the Merlin 20, and later the 61.

  • @bigbossimmotal
    @bigbossimmotal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What the heck is a fue silledge? Is that the part between the poor peeler and the imp an edge, or sumpin different?
    Otherwise another great video.

    • @johnwilson6721
      @johnwilson6721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I noticed that too. In fact, fuselarj hasn't always been the accepted pronunciation and both forms were once used. Although that is how I would normally say it, it is really mock-French and I am rather pleased to see the more English form still in use.

  • @John-nw8uj
    @John-nw8uj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rolls Royce Heritage Trust does a book that explains the Vulture problems.
    John

  • @samsum3738
    @samsum3738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No Manchester , no Lancaster , or at least a long delayed Lancaster .

  • @iamrichrocker
    @iamrichrocker 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    still marvel and the ground crews ho had to work in rain, sleet, mud..freezing temps on finely machined engines ..and other sensitive electric/electronic gear..and do it over night..just incredible spirit and can do thinking..may they all rest in eternal peace they are due..

  • @atilllathehun1212
    @atilllathehun1212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One wonders how a Centaurus powered Manchester would have fared.

  • @coreyandnathanielchartier3749
    @coreyandnathanielchartier3749 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It sounds like Avro may have 'over-sold' the Manchester just a wee bit. It doesn't take a lot of calculations to arrive at the conclusion that it was not going to be a 350mph airplane. They did get the contract, and bought some time to come up with a better idea. I suppose RC was almost forced to use these Vulture engines. The German Grief bomber had to use the DB603, and on top of that, it was required to be able to do dive-bombing attacks, thus drastically increasing the airframe weight. 'The military aircraft is like a Christmas Tree....everyone wants to hang something on it'.

  • @kellybreen5526
    @kellybreen5526 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My late great friend Arthur Lobby Lobsibger Sgt. RCAF was an R/G for 19 missions with 463 RAAF operating Lancasters.
    No one told a dirty joke better than Arty. RIP.

  • @super20dan
    @super20dan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    few know the lancaster was fitted with jet engines and was first jet powered transport . after the war

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The engines were prone to overheat but if extra cooling was given, the a/c slowed and could not maintain height.

    • @davidelliott5843
      @davidelliott5843 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They has inadequate oil pumps that could not keep up with oil being centrifuged out of the big end bearings. Merlins were similarly though less seriously affected .

  • @seansverige
    @seansverige 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A _bank_ of cylinders is essentially a row, so a V12 already has _two_ - and the Vulture added two more; 1750bhp not so much "jaw dropping" as per design objective (but still less than ~2000bhp needed for viable bomber twin) - & what engines were de-rated to isn't mentioned (~1500)
    What _is_ jaw dropping is that modified *Merlins* which were sustaining 1800bp as early as 1938 - and peaking at over 2000(!) for short periods. Cruising speed mentioned, but not Lancs for comparison; even if you do regard the Lancasters development as "remarkably swift" it's only because from the inboard engines inwards it's virtually identical to the Manchester - and that it used the existing jigs/tooling/etc was a significant factor in selling the idea to MOD
    Though not as extreme a case as the Mosquito, it's is another example of a design succeeding in spite of - rather than because of - Ministry support: AFAIK Avro were denied request for Merlins as they were prioritised for fighter effort so had to procure units for prototype Lanc nefariously...

  • @brianaustin8989
    @brianaustin8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    An old workmate's stepfather, was a mid upper gunner on Manchester's. They were hit by Flack over Essen in 42, and ordered to bale out by the skipper, who was wounded.They heard via thegrape vine whilst POW's, that the co pilot flew the damaged Manchester back to Scampton!!!! Extract from his log of the bale out:-My
    Line/Log Jim Hurley
    W/O Mid Upper Gunner, Avro Manchester 83 Sqd OL-R
    An Introduction to My line
    It is the fashion to write one’s Line, so thats the my excuse for the agony , poor reader
    that you are about to endure. I think a word about Line’s is in order. Line is an RAF
    word for bad telling or writing of one’s experiences, short for Shooting a Line, or
    Blowing One’s Gaf. So beware after you have read this lot, when a friend says
    “Would you like to read my line”, remember a previous appointment with the dentist
    and keep it as it will be less painful.
    Therefore onto the works, I shall start on the next page. It looks good.
    My Line
    Well there we were, oh no that’s another line. It was Essen, I should have known, but
    you know how it is. By the way, this was on the night of 6th April 1942. The pilot said
    “We will be crafty and make a detour so that we come up to the target, from the
    South East and continue on the way home, without changing course” We thought “Oh
    well”. Everything went OK, until we were about 5 minutes from our ETA, when we
    encountered a spot of flak. We weathered this alright and were preparing for the
    really hot stuff, when one burst came up. I felt it spatter on the kite, but was not
    unduly worried, as that usually indicate a near miss. When a shout comes on the I C
    “Bale out, Bale out”. ( I mean to say enough to upset one’s nerves) a lot of talk broke
    out, so I just said “ OK Pilot” and made a hurried exit from the Mid Upper Turret, to
    find Sid, the Rear Gunner about to get rid of the hatch. Found my parachute and
    found that my headphone leads stopped the chute from clipping on. I had to let go to
    take my helmet off and in picking it up again, the chute had pulled open. I stumbled
    over to Sid, where he told me the trap would not open. Of course it was pitch black so
    remembering the dial light for the oxygen control, I stooped to find it and knocked it
    on. Turning round, I was just in time to see the hatch go. Sid went next and looking
    down, I saw the top of his chute floating away, just lile a white umbrella. Sitting on
    the edge with my chute bundled up, in my arms it was my turn. I went down and the
    silk was immediately torn from my arms. I did not even get a somersault in. Besides
    being annoyed at becoming a prisoner, I pulled the chords to see if I could get down
    quicker, but perhaps because it was dark, I did not notice any extra speed.
    I landed in a field with quite a jolt and felt a stab of pain in my ankle, but disappeared
    after I had rested a while.

  • @wilfredwayne7139
    @wilfredwayne7139 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the Lancaster but the b19 is my favourite. Love the p51 Mustang but that Messerschmitt Bf 109 is something else.

    • @edwardashton7502
      @edwardashton7502 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My favourite warplane is the Mosquito,

  • @nimay13
    @nimay13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun fact: Avro Manchester once piloted by Ole Gunnar Solskjear.

  • @erikberg1623
    @erikberg1623 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well done

  • @woooster17
    @woooster17 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:55 seems a bit odd, a hydraulic leak caused the screen to be covered? Was it the front turret that was spraying the screen?
    My uncle was a Lancaster pilot flying with 100 squadron. He was KIA in February 1943. Only the rear gunner survived. I am lucky to have his logbook.

  • @stevedunn5546
    @stevedunn5546 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent.

  • @crazywarriorscatfan9061
    @crazywarriorscatfan9061 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting`

  • @peterxd3610
    @peterxd3610 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard that airplanes were the easiest part to do, as for pilots to find and train in a short time was the hardest

  • @gabriellourenco4334
    @gabriellourenco4334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ...It's more the story of a mighty oak (the Lancaster) generated from a small acorn (the Manchester); reengined with Rolls Royce Merlins the Manchester would have been equal to a Wellington or even better of in the same missions leaving the "heavy lifting" to the Lancaster; OR.41/Specification P.13/36 made me think about OR.229/Specification B.35/46...

  • @yknott9873
    @yknott9873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interestingly, the Germans had a story that parallelled this. Their troubled star was the He-177 Greif ("Griffon", although "grief" might've been closer to the aircrews' feelings). The Greif was also intended to be a wonder bomber, with two very large experimental engines, and the Reichsluftfahrtsministerium (the German air ministry - I hope I spelled that right...) larded-on requirements including the ability to dive-bomb, for which an aircraft that big was just plain unsuited. Eric "Winkle" Brown flew it for the RAF postwar, and said of the Greif that it was one of the few German aircraft that he did not enjoy flying. But ultimately, its curse was the same thing - engines that should not have left the factory floor in their present design, and that were fitted with very tight cowlings to improve streamlining, resulting in engines that were a nightmare to maintain, with a grisly tendency to catch fire - crews dubbed the He-177 'the Reich's cigarette lighter'. And the parallel is that Heinkel had been trying since 1937 to fit four conventional aircraft engines to the Greif, but those engines were all needed for fighters so he was refused.

  • @gerrydrummond3287
    @gerrydrummond3287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fewsilidge? Foo-ze-large. Come on old boy

  • @MN_F16C
    @MN_F16C หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Manchester: im garbage :<
    Lancaster: ,....
    Sure?

  • @collwood9524
    @collwood9524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you please do a video on the Ukraine the past and present and the relationship with Russia. :)

  • @benwilson6145
    @benwilson6145 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Troublesome Manchester!

  • @russellblake9850
    @russellblake9850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wouldn't characterise the Manchester as "unlucky" airplane, but rather "bad". Crap engines, limited design spec. But thank goodness Avro made it, so they could create the Lanc when some of these limitations were removed. But then, if no Lanc we would have had more Halifax.

  • @tubthump
    @tubthump 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    .....Avro Lincoln

  • @3vimages471
    @3vimages471 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    156,000 sorties ....... OMFG

  • @GermanShepherd1983
    @GermanShepherd1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But still, it was the Americans that did a lot of the heavy lifting during WW2. If it wasn't for the US involvement Britain today would be speaking German.

  • @JohnSmith-zv8km
    @JohnSmith-zv8km 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should have built and used thousands of Mossies and used much more accurate bombing thus saving aircrews, releasing more resources to other arms and saving huge numbers of German citizens.

    • @edwardashton7502
      @edwardashton7502 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Mosquito was my favourite plane of WW2, the one for peace time was the TSR2 and wished we had got it into service, lot of sculduggary by the British Goverment along with the Americans putting pressure on the Uk to scrap the programme before they could get a loan from the IMF, it would have out classed many of todays planes. let alone those of the days it wa desisgned for.

  • @BigM94sqd
    @BigM94sqd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can we have it in real English

  • @bigblu142
    @bigblu142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video..voice is getting better but the narrator still sounds like his talking while straining to do his shoe laces

  • @alanmoffat4454
    @alanmoffat4454 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    HERES NOTHING TOO BE SNIFFD AT LEAST THEY GOT SOMETHING RIGHT , 😊.

  • @expatexpat6531
    @expatexpat6531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like your content, but I find your hectoring delivery style rather tedious. I suggest you get someone else to do the narrative.

  • @halamish1
    @halamish1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video