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Is This RIGHT? Adding FLOOR JOISTS To Our BARNDOMINIUM - Should I Have Done IT Differently?
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- In this video, we are continuing to secure the barndominium by adding more bracing and by adding floor joists. There are some questions about the placement of some of the floor joist boards and now I am wondering if I should have installed these differently? There is definitely a learning curve when you are a do-it-yourselfer and building your own home. But, I am trying to do all of my research, ask those around me (who have done similar) and learn from our viewers. So many of you are definitely more knowledgeable and we appreciate your insight and support.
We are milling our barndominium - barn house out of wood that we are milling on our own sawmill. If you haven't followed along with our BARN Build, (which is now our barn house build) make sure to check out that series in our playlists. We finished the first slab last summer, we milled most of the timbers needed over this past winter/spring, added plumbing, put in a second slab for our garage and now we have started building our barndominium - barnhouse - lodge - our home, with 8 bents going up being the latest excitement! Now, we are working on securing the bents and adding to the structure.
Here's the video where all 8 bents are put up in one day- it was pretty amazing:
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Here's the video where we share our change in plans and decide to turn our barn into our home:
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Here is the video where we share our barn plans. Our plans are from @BarnGeek . We are excited to build one of his beautiful barns and turn it into our home:
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***We are also so excited to have completed our sawmill cover enclosure (sawmill shed). Definitely check out our Sawmill Playlist to watch it all happen. We have shared the process of building our sawmill cover from the very beginning. We have a Woodland Mills HM130 Max sawmill and we live in North Idaho. The sawmill cover / sawmill shed is vital to continue milling for our barn build in the winter months, but it will also be a great way to keep out of the sun during the summer months, and of course all of the rain, in between!
Here is a link to the video that shares the sawmill cover / sawmill shed build from start to finish:
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Here are the specs on the sawmill cover / sawmill shed we built:
3 posts in the front
4 posts in the back
Overall dimensions are 15 feet wide by 36 feet long
Longest beam is 28 feet
Front part of the lean to roof is 11'9" and back is 8'
It will have a 3 :12 pitch
Posts and beams are going to be 7 1/2" x 7 1/2"
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Is This Right? Adding Floor Joist To Our Barndominium - Should I Have Done It Differently?
July 2024
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was surprised to see a norwegian custom showing up here :3 can indeed confirm that is a thing here
Keeping the custom alive here in the USA. Thanks for watching from Norway! 😊
My left ear really enjoyed that video.
Sorry about that! It should be fixed now. We changed the settings on the last video so it should be better?!
I am a Englishman liveing in France enjoying your epic build in the USA ....keep up the good work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is SO COOL! Thank you!!! 😁
Good job! A few thoughts from carpenters I've worked with.
- Depending on how dry the beams are, you want to be able to accumulate shrinkage, etc. Might leave a bit of space, (1/16" - 1/8"?) between beam & joist
- Make a spacer stick that fits between 2 joists. Measure once, make stick (a single function story pole), use the spacer to set all the joists. If you're going measure, run the tape the distance and mark all the joist locations in one go.
- Good trick with the tri-square to place the hangers. Might be quicker to nail off the hangers to the joist bottom while it's sitting on the lift. Then place the joist & nail off the hanger on the beam.
- A neat trick a framer showed me to use when hanging high joists was to make a couple "S" shaped loose brackets to hold the joist while fastening it. The upper arm fits over the beam and the lower is straight & the joist rests on it, an inch or so low. Set the brackets in place at the mark, place the joist on the brackets, grab your hangers & nail gun, bring the joist level & nail it in place.
About doubled joists. They're there for several reasons, 1st to provide nailing surface for subflooring, etc.. 2nd is to reinforce under loads, walls, structural from above, and appliances & heavy items, think adjustable beds, loaded bookcases, bath tubs, etc. 3rd is to deal with loads distributed from other joists, for example joists dying into a stairwell or short joists at 90 degrees such as you're thinking at the outside walls.
Thank you- Good tips for sure. Hard when you are learning as you go. Only so much you can learn from TH-cam. I’m going to add some double joists in a couple of areas. And we can use a couple of your tricks when we put joists in one of the side pieces that will have a drop ceiling. Thanks for sharing your insights! 😁
That lift is awesome!
Yes- it’s working like a charm! Wayyyy better than ladders! 😆
@@ourdreaminthewoods might have to borrow it 😊
If I am not sure about how strong to build something, I will always choose to make it stronger than I think it needs to be. My theory is that it is cheaper and easier to make it extra strong than it is to fix it when it wasn't quite strong enough.
Good idea to take off during the heat of the day. Working in the heat leads to poor decision making.
Thanks for bringing us along
Good advice Mike. That’s how I normally do things as well.
Hopefully we are past those high 90’s days. 🥵
Howdy Gregg- another enjoyable video. I would definitely double up on the outside joists because it is load bearing even though it may not be a heavy load. This morning I went Home Depot and bought the same air compressor that you have. It started leaking air around the guages just when I was knocking off from work. From where we live it’s a long drive to take it back, so, I guess I’ll try to figure out what’s going on with it in the morning. Those cordless circular saws are really nice to have. I’m a bit of a toolaholic lol. Hope you and Eric have a great weekend getting lots done. Take care and God bless
HI, Paul- I thought about it a little more. The windows are going to be supported by the girts and the zip sheeting. The 2x4 wall that is going in front of it is going to house the electrical and some insulation. I'm going to leave the floor joist as a single.
I'm surprised that the air compressor is keeping up with the pace. I got it several years ago and it seems like its doing a good job. Besides taking up real estate in the bucket. Hope you figure out what's wrong with yours! 😁
Erik and I put in a couple of long days this weekend!
Topping is a very important function of the builder. Generations before you could not be wrong.
Our designs are very different, mine is basically a gambrel roof from the ground up. For many reasons, I staged mine on the inside and built it from the inside out. That said, your use of the man lift is essential if you want to complete it during this decade! I retired after 35 years with Verizon as a lineman and cable splicer so know very well what can be accomplished with the lift. Congrats on a great next step.
Hi, Jake- Thanks for the comments.
I feel like I’ve been out to sea after being on the lift all day 😁. But it’s working great. Can’t imagine working off ladders !
yes blocking will work great for that because there is not a lot load on it
As I thought of this more- the window is going to be supported by the girts and sheeting- not the 2x4 wall. 😁
Hello, you are building a great house and with great craftsmanship. The tree on the roof beam also exists in Germany, but with colorful ribbons. And there will be a small celebration called the topping out ceremony, which means that the shell is finished. Greetings from Berlin
Hi, Hans- I was thinking of having a bonfire once the remaining timber frame structure is finished. I think we’ll call it the “Topping Out Celebration “. Thank you for the idea and tradition.
Super cool that you are watching from Berlin! 😊
Great progress on your last video. A palm nailer and a joist nailer have been in my tool arsenal for decades.
The other thing that I might suggest to keep you a little bit cooler is to wear sleeveless tees. Not tank tops. Just sleeveless tees. Because the air can go across your chest and across your back and help cool you with a wet T-shirt, where the sleeves won’t allow that. That comes from years of building outside .
Hi, Tom- My nailing skills are limited to in front of me and maybe a couple of angles. Worthless in my left hand 😁 - so that nailer is key.
I don’t know about a muscle shirt - might have to use way more sunscreen! 😁
My new shop has 34 truss connectors requiring 25 Tico nails each! Buying a Metabo metal connector pneumatic nailer saved my 71 year old arms and hands a lot of grief and pain!
I am old Carpenter and your doing the right way just keep going and we are all with you
Appreciate your vote of confidence, Wade! 😊
Looking good with the addition of the floor joists. I've never fitted floor joist in hangers, but you mentioned squeaky floors, and I've seen a lot of builders placing a small blob of construction adhesive at the bottom of each hanger to prevent / reduce such noise. I'm not sure how effective that is over the long term, but it looks like cheap insurance. By the time you read this I'm assuming that most of the joists will already be hung, but it's something you may want to consider if you have any more to hang :)
Hi, Paul- You’re right- already completed the floor joists but good to know. Thanks for the comment. 😊
That’s a great rig for what you’re doing!
Hi, Ian- Bucket lift is working like a charm! 😁
looking great. I would make a joist hanger jig ,will save you a lot of time.
Hi, Paul- By the time I read your comment I was almost done. But I looked at a couple of jigs and liked the one that screwed to the top of the joint to keep it flush with the top.
I still need joists on one of the sides - maybe I’ll try it there. 😁
Very cool idea! And great view from the top!
Thank you! 😊
Hi enjoying the build every one thinks they are not getting enough done their expectations are to high just do what you can the best that you can and you should be proud of your days work cheers from Tasmania Australia
That’s a true statement! I have to remind myself that a days work is better than no days work and to take moments to enjoy the process.
Super cool that you are watching from Tasmania! 😁
If you take two pieces of 2x8 to make a T to put on the beam for your brackets to screw in place. works great.
Hi, Claudette- I’ve been trying to picture this but can’t quite figure it out. Can you explain a bit more. We’ve already finished the second floor joists but have more to install in other places. 😁
Love the addition of the Conifer. Thanks for the shout out too. I have seen other builders put a dab of construction adhesive on the ledge of the joist hanger. Think that helps with squeaks.
Hi, Ray- Of course! Thank you for sharing the history with us- it really is cool! 😊
You're doing a very professional job. It takes a lot to build a home especially a builder of one.
Thank you. Putting in a days work and making progress is a good thing! 😊
Nice work. Ray
Thank you, Ray- And, thanks for watching! 😊
I'm currently in Pennsylvania, but lived in Cascade 40 years ago. Loved it there. Thanks for sharing
Oh, that's awesome- super pretty through there! My wife, Beth, went to Boise State, so she would drive through there on visits back home! 😊
Enjoying the series! This has been one of my biggest dreams for myself to have a place like this/build a building like this.. Thank you!
@@romarhiensch431
It’s a dream of mine as well- I truly honored to be doing it. 😊
Looking great so far
Thank you, John! 😊
Love the drone shot at the end! You can see it’s hot with the haze. Stay cool! 😎
Thank you- it was as a REALLY hot day!!! 🥵
Love the viewpoint from the conifer🌲
We think it’s pretty cool, too! 🌲
Joist install is technically correct, but joist hangers are too short. They look like those for 2x4's. 2x10 (?) hangers often have a tab that nails on top of the beam, as well as many nails/screws down each side. Did you have this install engineered? That will answer your title question without a doubt! Enjoying the build; this is a great looking structure. Admire your work ethic.
They seem a little short to me as well. They are the 2x6 and 2x8 hangers (both) that my local builder supplied sold me. I went to Home Depot and bought bigger 2x8 hangers and 2x10 that are substantial bigger.
I haven’t seen any with a top tab. Not engineered.
Thank you. It really is a dream coming true to build this for our family. 😊
ya when your doing it by your it take more and its a lot work but in the end when it is all done , you will your home was built by your 2 hands and not many guys can say that
Thank you, Wade- It is very satisfying to be building this structure/home. Truly a dream! 😊
Looks great! Excited to see the next one 😊
Thank you- it’s really starting to take shape. 😁
I'm curious- What do you think? Should I have added two floor joists attached to a double hanger at the ends?? I am definitely not a professional- I am a do-it-yourselfer, so I am doing my best, but there's definitely a learning curve. So many of you have done this many times and are a lot more knowledgeable. What do you think? I appreciate your insight. Thank you for watching and we hope you enjoy. 😊
I would double it. Thanks
I would think your local building code or building inspector would be a good resource.
As you said, that wall will not carry a load so it really shouldn’t matter. However, to be on the safe side you could get some angle iron clips with holes to match two of the bolts in your connection plates on one leg and a couple bolt holes in the other for your joists. Super strong and out of the way.
Absolutely agree, double those. 2x8 @ 16" OC @ 10' span supporting a wall. Are you laying out your 16 OC joists starting from 1 end via the tape? OR, joist too joist? Start at the same end with your layout. A little bit of liquid nail in the hanger seat will help somewhat with possible floor sqeaks. It sure is pretty seeing the milled timber vertical, NO BARK. BE WELL AND STAY SAFE SIR 🙏
@@ourdreaminthewoods if you’re going to put an outside studded wall on top of the floor joist. That way you’ll have 3” to put your walls on and not one and a half inches. You don’t your subfloor to support the wall.
While you are doing a nice job, you are using the phrase "shearing up" improperly. You are adding weight but increasing the risk of domino effect. You have braced all of the bents to the sideyard, even though the bents do not require any bracing to the sideyard; only enough to maintain alignment. You create shear by putting diagonal bracing, ideally nailing the largest X that you can between the two middle bents on each side. These may be temporary, but at one point you must develop permanent shear between several of the bents.
Hi, Charlie- Erik, Beth and I talked a lot about your comment. Shear force is a little hard to explain and comprehend for me as a novice builder. I think what we are doing is adding rigidity to the structure. The structure won’t get the shearing up until the sheeting goes on and those diagonal forces get tied in. Does that sound right?
We do have diagonal braces on the north end south end along with one diagonal brace that spans three bents on the north end. We also discussed that if we were to have a wind event forecasted that we would brace the structure to heavy pieces of equipment.
Really appreciate you pointing this out. 😊
just asking why not put roof on to keep sun/rain off and provide shade?
The roof on would be awesome- but unfortunately it won’t arrive until September. 😁
@@ourdreaminthewoods would stretching some used cheap billboard tarps over it help to keep sun/rain off and provide shade??
So if you don't have any inspections, how do you get insurance.
Hi, Jeff- We have electrical, plumbing, hvac and septic inspections. And in the end, you need a certificate of occupancy. And at that point you can get home owners insurance. Until then you can get a builders risk policy.
It seems "wise" to put double joists to support the walls even though not supporting any roof!!!!!!
Hi, Richard- I thought about it a little more. The windows are going to be supported by the girts and the zip sheeting. The 2x4 wall that is going in front of it is going to house the electrical and some insulation. I'm going to leave the floor joist as a single. 😁
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Thank you! 😊