Notice how close he actually came to hitting a couple of them just before he stopped. Now think about how it could have been if he hadn't gone into emergency. Wow. Just wow.
That's why Amtrak runs on 110psi in their BP instead of freight trains, which are longer and heavier, which run on 80-90psi. Need to stop fast to protect those passengers.
Yes, a lot of Amtrak locos are GE, possibly evolution series. But that is the same with quite a few Class 1 freight locomotives. I'm not 100% sure why Amtrak does run at a higher brake pipe pressure, but I do know that their locomotives and rolling stock do have to be modified a bit in order to run at these higher PSI's. We here at the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad have a lot of our rolling stock from the 1950-1970 Amtrak. Instead of changing all of our cars over to run the BP of our old freight locomotives, we had to change the locomotives over to running at the BP of the cars. Not like many of our locomotives are being "cooperative" nowadays, but that is a different story.
So, not only do they cross right in front of the train, they then stand right next to the tracks. They all need to be nominated for this months Darwin Award
There are "honourable mentions" for good tries. But late crossing isn't enough, of course. You have to jump from the roof of a moving train running beneath 25 kV power lines while crossing a bridge, for example.
darwin award is simply for taking yourself out of the gene pool - the methodology to receive this award need not be lethal; that said, the parents are excluded because they have produced offspring
Jeez. Is there something in Ashland's water? Perhaps a city-wide gas leak? This town seems to have an overabundance of oblivious people when it comes to their interaction with the railroad.
For a town with a busy railroad running right through the middle, it seems to have a lot of idiots. Maybe this is yesterday's truck driver going on a family vacation. Lol
@Rick Los Angeles - Your STILL crying about Trump? It's people like you that make jackasses like him somehow look good enough to vote for to start with. That said I would have thought all those liberal tears would have ended California's drought by now. Then again your from California which has the worst quality of life in all 50 states so no surprise you'd rather still continue to cry about Trump then actually make anything better. With morons like you out there no wonder we can't get a good politician to vote for. Time to grow up Rick and be part of the solution instead of being a cry baby arm chair quarterback whining hoping things magically fix themselves. Be part of the solution not part of the crying.
Add an extra 2 miles an hour, and they'd be in a hurry all right... to the afterlife. I don't think they realize how lucky they were. That engineer was on the ball!
I just gets faster and faster and faster. At what point do you close you eyes and pray for a miracle. And for the conductors to hardly know what's going on with such a sudden sharp stop, one only imagines the worst is about to come
Talk about putting a huge dump of energy into those brakes. I think the train stopped better than my truck. I know I'm late to the party but kudos to the Amtrak engineer, I'm glad people like him are out there and looking out for the ones that aren't
Very effective braking. The air compressor must be very effective too. Putting the train into emergency dumps all of the air pressure from the brake line. Five minutes to recharge is not bad.
Great job engineer! I wouldn't have permitted those families to board until they all got an ear full. They put the little ones at risk of tripping and possibly injuring the passengers.
Seems to be a common problem in the USA caused mostly by your low level platforms, even in populated areas. I was recently in the States and was amazed how easy it was to walk onto the tracks from a station platform. Here in Australia, there are virtually no low level platforms except in very remote areas where there will almost certainly only be one track anyway. To get to an opposite platform, there will either be an underpass, a bridge or a gated crossing. There's no way you could walk from one platform to another just by walking across unprotected tracks.
Richard Chester Same as the UK then. Platform here are around the 0.95mtr height to to allow easy access to the carriage. As for passengers crossing a line like that, only in remote locations like the Scottish Highlands would you be allowed to. Even station staff aren't permitted on the trackbed, except in an extreme emergency. I can't believe either that the tracks aren't fenced off from the public.
+BGerbs66 He did say gated crossing, which they all are (those metal gates that auto-close when a train is near). The only exception i can think of is Ringwood east station, which has mini people-sized boom gates instead.
bigastrofan1966 the station has been there since the 1920’s, and actually the platform was bigger. @Dan Burch In fact, there was a train yard at the station back in the 30’s.
Practicality wise yes, but I doubt the town would agree to having one built due to the effects it would have on the aesthetics of the area. Plus it would have to be very high - many more stairs than an underpass would require, due to double stacks running on this route.
I used to be in Ashland all the time when I lived in Richmond.A beautiful small town. Never thought there would be so many incidents with the train there?
Willing to bet they didn't know what side of the platform they needed to be on, so when they saw it coming they tried to quickly cross to the correct side
@@chooch1995 so you guarantee animals will only use the crosswalk? You also guarantee that no one ever will take a short cut over the tracks? I was simply making an observation that's all.
So ,.......I'm just waiting for the silver car to turn left and then left again onto the tracks! Only in Ashland, this station and crossing need some serious reworking. Another fine video VR! Cheers Gregg.
Quiet Zone would Not have changed a thing with this one. The fault clearly falls on the passengers crossing track to late to stage on otherside to board!! Engineer again did GREAT job stopping train!
Mellz yeah maybe they can finally put my town of castleton over one. The thing comes full speed down the tracks sometimes as close to 10 feet away from the Main Street almost every 30ish minutes
Even when the engineer blew the horn, the people didn’t even speed up, in fact it looks like they even slowed down a bit. Like they wanted to get hit. I feel bad for that engineer for having to go through fear of hitting someone. Those people who did that should be punished for putting everyone in danger.
In Ashland, the only way for boarding passengers to determine which side of the tracks the train will arrive on is to stand between the two rails and look down the tracks once the train appears in the distance. The trains will not wait for people to walk around if they are caught on the wrong side.
Okay, it's not all the passenger's fault. I've boarded a train at Ashland in the past. It's not really a good situation. This is not an Amtrak station, it's a stop. There are no employees here and there may be a volunteer here with a radio. It's very hard to tell which track the train is on at a distance and to add to that there is a switch not far down the track. So, it's almost guesswork which track the train is going to be on until it gets close. The day I was there, I ventured an opinion with the people in the museum, which what this station is now, that something like this was going to happen someday and someone was going to get hurt here and they blew me off. The worst thing the passegers did was maybe cross too late. The guy with the radio may not have been there at that time.
But honestly .. at least the dispatcher will know well in advance what track the train is going to. Why is it so incredibly difficult to conceive of a display on the building listing the next train and its platform? What if the engineer wouldn't be able to stop the train in time? The children were dragged along with their parents and they could have been hit! Think of the children! But seriously, technology to automatically indicate which platform a train is going to depart from .. actually exists.
Michael Abernathy The guy with the radio (Paul) is only on duty on weekends. He has a job at the Ashland bank. At the time this train was pulling in, the station had not yet opened. I help out the visitor center volunteers whenever I’m at Ashland, but as evident by the video none of the staff were there.
Doesn't matter what track the train is on. Everyone should have a simple concept of what I call "common Sense" to me, there are two tracks there, I don't know which one will the one that will be used, simply wait by the building until the train comes to a complete stop and then wait for the conductor to direct you to where you will be getting on. It's simple and it doesn't threaten anyone's lives in the process. It's much like waiting for the school bus. There are two lanes of traffic on the road, gee...which one will the bus be on? Who cares. The process for waiting for the school bus is, you wait by the side of the road until the school bus has come to a complete stop and the red lights are out. The driver will notify you when it's safe to cross. Gee wake up. Sorry, this is 100% pure the passengers fault.
This happens to some extent also at Quantico. If they have people on the west side of the tracks in Ashland when the train is on the eastern track (not sure if that is 1 or 2 in Ashland, it's 2 in Fredericksburg because of the sidings just south of the station), do they put a stop on the other track and allow passengers to board from that side of the train? Not sure how else to do it without encouraging dangerous behavior from the passengers.
I'm sorry if I was the engineer after I recovered from the heart attack does people gave me I'm coming off that train that is complete unexcetpable. How much more warning they need. (None just need brains). Operator I give you a clap, a hot cop of coffee, and some pain relievers for that headache. Great job on the stop and great to hold your composure.
usually people with good sense know not to get on the track and you don't stand next to the track when a train is coming. These people were total idiots
Correct, but the crosswalk didn't seem "guarded" and I live in the Netherlands and almost all track in urban area is fenced. Also with guarded crosswalks so such a thing should not happen
This is either often or always an un-staffed station and there are often no announcements telling passengers which side the train is arriving on (and it does vary)
There is always some type of notification. The person selling the tickets would tell the people there to wait to board. They wouldn't just give you a ticket, and have you figure it out.
Like what is it with people, huh? Luckily this train was able to stop in time, if it hadn't, this would have been a tragedy! Come on people, use your bloody brains! Ashland needs a station master like La Plata! I hope the conductors gave thoes people a good talking too!
Kaless215 We do actually. I’m usually one of those folks who help control the Ashland crowd. I work with the people who run the Ashland train station, but unfortunately the station wasn’t open at the time.
Ahh okay. I was under the impression, that because the station was basically a Museum, that it didn't have a Station Master. Thanks for the clarification.
He should've kept going after the emergency. And if anyone objected afterwards, he should've replied: What passengers? All I saw saw a bunch of dead ones who where lucky enough to not get plowed down into the gravel
I have a question since we did not grow up around passenger rail just freight rail. When someone purchases tickets to get picked up in a rural area such as this that does not appear to have a depot, why is the rail crew not informed that they have pickups in those small towns so they can plan their stop? If not for the emergency stop those darwin award candidates would never have made it on the train.?
I find it so cool to just see the tracks there like that right next to the road without any sort of fencing. I've never seen that where im from in the UK although I live in a very urban area
What am I missing here? The train finally ends up stopping five car lengths beyond where the emergency stop concluded. Not excusing the actions of the passengers crossing the tracks, but why was the train moving at such a high rate of speed (that close to its actual stopping point) that it needed to go into emergency braking? The engineer knows he has a stop, he knows the track he is on will result in people crossing the tracks, and presumably he knows there are no safe guards keeping people from doing just what these folks did. From someone who works in aviation, there seems to be a lot of unmitigated hazards here leaving unacceptable levels of risk for all involved.
ljlintner All the points you make are, to me, very good ones. You'd expect a more defensive approach given that people can sometimes do daft things. Maybe I am also missing something.
What you’re missing here flyboy is that an engineer begins his brake application at a good distance out and is not anticipating morons that will be running...no, walking out in his path. This little ‘hiccup’ now changes the math involved in everything as he must apply the emergency brake. In other words, had the imbeciles not disrupted his station stop, he would’ve pulled in & spotted his train perfectly at the station platform. What, exactly do you do in the aviation industry...I’m curious.....
DarthYoda. It is the Railroad's fault. No instruction 10 minutes prior as to which track the train is arriving (even a speaker and light) and no procedure to always arrive on the station's primary track. Basically Amtrak doing the least possible to drive the train. If this happens numerous times, then THEY have a problem because they ARE the problem. Put that in your mind, imagine yourself to be passenger X and watch the video again.
Happened at my old job site. vehicle stuck on tracks while a freight train was approaching from Menlo park in Cali I notified the police, dispatch called the train to stop. Stopped 10 feet away from the vehicle. 😲
IF THIS STOP HAS A MANNED STATION, THERE SHOULD BE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN AGENT AND TRAIN CREW TO DETERMINE ARRIVAL TIME AND GET THE PASSENGERS ON THE PROPER SIDE OF THE TRACKS 5 MINUTES EARLIER!
It is not manned or even open for the morning train. You have to guess. That said, they were standing up over the curb. I guess there should be signs or painted curb.
Every station I was at, had announcements, and signs directing you to the proper track. People are way too absorbed in their lives to even listen, or read, anything that's not right in front of their faces.
Was there a late announcement of the track? Maybe they should install gates at that crosswalk. And certainly better info to passengers of the track side to be on...
Dude that man on roof is a maintenance guy didn't jump off roof there was a ladder unseen by camera what he does is checking ac units he works for a hvac company
We do actually. I’m usually one of those folks who help control the Ashland crowd. I work with the people who run the Ashland train station, but unfortunately the station wasn’t open at the time. Thus, none of the staff were there. Note the Ashland train station is not owned by Amtrak, it’s ran by volunteers.
That is true, they need to ANNOUNCE, so people do not dart across or build a ped bridge/underpass if the railroad is that lazy to tell you where the friggin train going to be stopping at!
Look as they just waddle and dawdle across the tracks like sedated lemmings as a speeding train heads right for them and their children! If this happened in south Florida with the new *high speed* trains in operation, most of them would be stains on the tracks by now.
I understand the stop but I'm afraid that the reason for a delay was lost on me. I'm curious if there's an actual labeled line which people should stay behind.
Unbelievable!! Amazing job getting that train stopped like that though. I realize he wasn't cranking, but he was going fast enough. That is a whole lot of train to get stopped in short of a distance that quickly. My question is how many years of people getting killed by trains will it take for people to realize how easy it is to get killed by a train??
Oh that would've been a fast way to bypass Ashland and go straight to Fredericksburg. How in the world do you cross in front of the train at the LAST MINUTE to catch it? Had that been a CSX train, that would've been the last thing they would've seen.
In my Aussie home town Rockhampton trains still run in the street at around 10mph for a couple of miles. One guy had just traded in his older truck 16t gvm at the dealer but must have been deaf. My old man was driving the locomotive that whacked that truck into its side. Nobody hurt..one more notch on the belt for Dad
Shame on those people putting their children at risk like that!!
That's why as extreme as it may be, we may have to consider sterilizing certain people.
tiger cat truest thing I've read all day
@tiger cat heheheh applauding u
Notice how close he actually came to hitting a couple of them just before he stopped. Now think about how it could have been if he hadn't gone into emergency.
Wow. Just wow.
@@tigercat418 How? There is no country where refugees are treated better
I’m surprised that the engineer didn’t just say “you’re all not getting on the train for that” and just left them there
If they were allowed to do that, I guarantee they would have, hahaha.
I'd be willing to bet, if the engineer had done that, he'd have lost his job.
The conductor probably could argue that they are a danger to the train and its passengers then kick them off before pulling out.
I would support that!
Mike The Mic Guy he or she are being video if Amtrak hear them saying that that crew member is the one who gets in trouble not the passengers
excellent braking
That's why Amtrak runs on 110psi in their BP instead of freight trains, which are longer and heavier, which run on 80-90psi. Need to stop fast to protect those passengers.
6777 productions nice information, and also i think amtrak locos are GE made? Evolution series? Coz i heared them in an other video
Yes, a lot of Amtrak locos are GE, possibly evolution series. But that is the same with quite a few Class 1 freight locomotives. I'm not 100% sure why Amtrak does run at a higher brake pipe pressure, but I do know that their locomotives and rolling stock do have to be modified a bit in order to run at these higher PSI's. We here at the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad have a lot of our rolling stock from the 1950-1970 Amtrak. Instead of changing all of our cars over to run the BP of our old freight locomotives, we had to change the locomotives over to running at the BP of the cars. Not like many of our locomotives are being "cooperative" nowadays, but that is a different story.
People in the dinning car are now wearing their coffee
Alan Dawson hahaha lol
So, not only do they cross right in front of the train, they then stand right next to the tracks. They all need to be nominated for this months Darwin Award
Agreed
Red Dwarf XII darwin awards someone's gotta die, not just be idiotic...
There are "honourable mentions" for good tries. But late crossing isn't enough, of course. You have to jump from the roof of a moving train running beneath 25 kV power lines while crossing a bridge, for example.
Red Dwarf XII they stand right next to it because they have the nerve to still try to get on the train after forcing it to stop
darwin award is simply for taking yourself out of the gene pool - the methodology to receive this award need not be lethal; that said, the parents are excluded because they have produced offspring
Jeez. Is there something in Ashland's water? Perhaps a city-wide gas leak? This town seems to have an overabundance of oblivious people when it comes to their interaction with the railroad.
Alien invasion (UFO sightings)!
For a town with a busy railroad running right through the middle, it seems to have a lot of idiots.
Maybe this is yesterday's truck driver going on a family vacation. Lol
Be careful of what you say, these people could be part of Trump's base?
Was just about to ask what is it with this town...ridiculous.
@Rick Los Angeles - Your STILL crying about Trump? It's people like you that make jackasses like him somehow look good enough to vote for to start with. That said I would have thought all those liberal tears would have ended California's drought by now. Then again your from California which has the worst quality of life in all 50 states so no surprise you'd rather still continue to cry about Trump then actually make anything better. With morons like you out there no wonder we can't get a good politician to vote for. Time to grow up Rick and be part of the solution instead of being a cry baby arm chair quarterback whining hoping things magically fix themselves. Be part of the solution not part of the crying.
Despite the trains horn wailing, none of them seemed to flutter or even pretend to be in a hurry!
Add an extra 2 miles an hour, and they'd be in a hurry all right... to the afterlife. I don't think they realize how lucky they were. That engineer was on the ball!
NOR even care.
People are crazy
yes they are
only brainless
That's a nice way of puting it.
Tari.- Brain cells are often the wrong shade of grey.
The kids by the tracks... parents are crazy !
I guess Ashland was named after the ash that comes from all of the burning brake shoes there.
Or maybe for all of the ash-holes one encounters.
making and ash of themselves
haha
hahaha :D
Nope from the ashes left of the idiots creamated after being hit by a train
Poor engineer's heart rate must have been sky high
I just gets faster and faster and faster. At what point do you close you eyes and pray for a miracle. And for the conductors to hardly know what's going on with such a sudden sharp stop, one only imagines the worst is about to come
Those parents should be thrown in jail for putting their children in danger like that.
Geee folks, take your time, thank god it wasn't a freight at that speed !
White Kracker Did you even read my comment?
Did you even read what I posted ??? No kidding a freight won't stop...
Oml, you're the one that should be on the tracks you loony.
Talk about putting a huge dump of energy into those brakes. I think the train stopped better than my truck. I know I'm late to the party but kudos to the Amtrak engineer, I'm glad people like him are out there and looking out for the ones that aren't
Very effective braking. The air compressor must be very effective too. Putting the train into emergency dumps all of the air pressure from the brake line. Five minutes to recharge is not bad.
What a bunch of ignorant people. Specifically putting the kids in harm's way.
The engineer was laying on that horn too. No way they didn't hear or see him coming
Great job engineer! I wouldn't have permitted those families to board until they all got an ear full. They put the little ones at risk of tripping and possibly injuring the passengers.
I wouldn't have permitted them to board at all if I were the engineer, clearly a danger to the safety of themselves and other passengers.
Seems to be a common problem in the USA caused mostly by your low level platforms, even in populated areas. I was recently in the States and was amazed how easy it was to walk onto the tracks from a station platform. Here in Australia, there are virtually no low level platforms except in very remote areas where there will almost certainly only be one track anyway. To get to an opposite platform, there will either be an underpass, a bridge or a gated crossing. There's no way you could walk from one platform to another just by walking across unprotected tracks.
Richard Chester
Same as the UK then.
Platform here are around the 0.95mtr height to to allow easy access to the carriage.
As for passengers crossing a line like that, only in remote locations like the Scottish Highlands would you be allowed to. Even station staff aren't permitted on the trackbed, except in an extreme emergency.
I can't believe either that the tracks aren't fenced off from the public.
Same is almost all the EU.
Where in Australia do you live? A lot of places near Melbourne have crossings where you walk on the track.
+BGerbs66 He did say gated crossing, which they all are (those metal gates that auto-close when a train is near). The only exception i can think of is Ringwood east station, which has mini people-sized boom gates instead.
same in India. Most platforms are high but people still just jump onto the tracks even when they have access to foot over bridges.
That's a poor layout - requiring passengers to cross the tracks and wait in a street to board the train.
That's probably the city counsel's design. I'm sure the tracks were there longer than the roads. They need a proper station.
bigastrofan1966 the station has been there since the 1920’s, and actually the platform was bigger. @Dan Burch In fact, there was a train yard at the station back in the 30’s.
They really need an underpass there. Of course people being people, I'm sure people would still try and cross at grade.
High Iron Productions an underpass would be the most unlogical of unlogical things to do. An overhead crosswalk would be much more logical.
Practicality wise yes, but I doubt the town would agree to having one built due to the effects it would have on the aesthetics of the area. Plus it would have to be very high - many more stairs than an underpass would require, due to double stacks running on this route.
Wow that train stopped quick
It was making a station stop anyway
Hence the name *EMERGENCY* brake
Like Sheffield said it was already going at a slower speed cause it was a whistle stop to begin with.
Plus this train is not nearly half the weight of a freight train. If this was a freight train it would have been a different story.
Hey kids look a train *LETS WALK RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT*
One of the rare times the train stops for you crossing, albeit it doesn't make anyone happy
Great Job Amtrak!!! On Maintaining their Emergency Brakes on their Engines!
Pretty sure they have to, so well done on doing their job. You may as well say well done on making sure that the train has wheels.
To bad they can't employ engineers that can read speed limit signs and not do 70 on a 35 corner. flying off the tracks on to a busy freeway.
Actually just the same old brakes....emergency is the final & hardest application....
why are people always stopping in front of speeding trains
natural selection would of taken them out but technology consistently keeps saving their pathetic lives
@@The-Cat yeah, and some need medical threatment from our tax
Idiots, because they think trains can stop in 100ft
There has to be something in the water....
If only that could explain the idiots that live in that town so glad I moved out of there when I had the chance
Mikey97 how was Ashland?
Emilio Fernandez besides the idiots it's a great town
Those people must be deaf or something
I used to be in Ashland all the time when I lived in Richmond.A beautiful small town. Never thought there would be so many incidents with the train there?
Thank heavens for HD cams. Next time, zoom in on their faces so the whole world knows what they did.
Didn't they see that big shiny thing with flashing lights and a blaring horn barreling straight for them! Wow!!
Willing to bet they didn't know what side of the platform they needed to be on, so when they saw it coming they tried to quickly cross to the correct side
Deaf blind plain old dumb.
@@Skilliard that's why they have information boards at the station. That will tell them where to wait for the train.
There's no fence to stop people and animals from going across the tracks?
Andy - you watched the video, no? There’s a crosswalk....you know....an area designated as to where you can cross the tracks.....???
@@chooch1995 so you guarantee animals will only use the crosswalk?
You also guarantee that no one ever will take a short cut over the tracks?
I was simply making an observation that's all.
@@Andy-pe6el - I can't guarantee anything but stupidity when dealing with my fellow humans....
So ,.......I'm just waiting for the silver car to turn left and then left again onto the tracks! Only in Ashland, this station and crossing need some serious reworking.
Another fine video VR!
Cheers Gregg.
Jesus do these people want to die, Ashland needs to get the quiet zone removed
Quiet Zone would Not have changed a thing with this one. The fault clearly falls on the passengers crossing track to late to stage on otherside to board!! Engineer again did GREAT job stopping train!
What difference would it make? The horn was blown...
Turn your speakers on and watch this video again, Mellz
Did you not hear the bells and emergency horn?
Mellz yeah maybe they can finally put my town of castleton over one. The thing comes full speed down the tracks sometimes as close to 10 feet away from the Main Street almost every 30ish minutes
185 pounds vs 80 tons at 60 mph. What a great matchup. This should be a criminal misdemeanor. Good video
Even when the engineer blew the horn, the people didn’t even speed up, in fact it looks like they even slowed down a bit. Like they wanted to get hit. I feel bad for that engineer for having to go through fear of hitting someone. Those people who did that should be punished for putting everyone in danger.
Man, that whistle sounded absolutely ghostly.
Props to the Fedex driver stopping at a stop sign 👍
In Ashland, the only way for boarding passengers to determine which side of the tracks the train will arrive on is to stand between the two rails and look down the tracks once the train appears in the distance.
The trains will not wait for people to walk around if they are caught on the wrong side.
They do have notification boards to show what track the train will be on.
I thought it would be common sense to cross before the train, not as it arrives!
I love the wait!!!! The engineer was very "cool" with that response.
Would have served them right if the crew had decided not to pick them up after that!
if i was the engener i would say nope you aint getting on no train today
The only times I ever saw a loco bumping back after it stopped was during shunting, when it wasn't pulling any cars. That was some hard braking there.
How about those passengers turn up 5 minutes earlier and stand further back from the tracks
Okay, it's not all the passenger's fault. I've boarded a train at Ashland in the past. It's not really a good situation. This is not an Amtrak station, it's a stop. There are no employees here and there may be a volunteer here with a radio. It's very hard to tell which track the train is on at a distance and to add to that there is a switch not far down the track. So, it's almost guesswork which track the train is going to be on until it gets close. The day I was there, I ventured an opinion with the people in the museum, which what this station is now, that something like this was going to happen someday and someone was going to get hurt here and they blew me off. The worst thing the passegers did was maybe cross too late. The guy with the radio may not have been there at that time.
It would seem pretty simple to rig up a display indicating arriving trains and the track they're on.
Oh, wait.
Amtrak.
But honestly .. at least the dispatcher will know well in advance what track the train is going to. Why is it so incredibly difficult to conceive of a display on the building listing the next train and its platform? What if the engineer wouldn't be able to stop the train in time? The children were dragged along with their parents and they could have been hit! Think of the children!
But seriously, technology to automatically indicate which platform a train is going to depart from .. actually exists.
Michael Abernathy The guy with the radio (Paul) is only on duty on weekends. He has a job at the Ashland bank. At the time this train was pulling in, the station had not yet opened. I help out the visitor center volunteers whenever I’m at Ashland, but as evident by the video none of the staff were there.
Yes, I knew he wasn't there all the time, thanks.
Doesn't matter what track the train is on. Everyone should have a simple concept of what I call "common Sense" to me, there are two tracks there, I don't know which one will the one that will be used, simply wait by the building until the train comes to a complete stop and then wait for the conductor to direct you to where you will be getting on. It's simple and it doesn't threaten anyone's lives in the process. It's much like waiting for the school bus. There are two lanes of traffic on the road, gee...which one will the bus be on? Who cares. The process for waiting for the school bus is, you wait by the side of the road until the school bus has come to a complete stop and the red lights are out. The driver will notify you when it's safe to cross. Gee wake up. Sorry, this is 100% pure the passengers fault.
I'm dumb, why train need 5min rest to start moving again? Breaks need to cool down?
I felt so bad for the Engineer. He definitely sounded shaken and frazzled on the radio.
This happens to some extent also at Quantico. If they have people on the west side of the tracks in Ashland when the train is on the eastern track (not sure if that is 1 or 2 in Ashland, it's 2 in Fredericksburg because of the sidings just south of the station), do they put a stop on the other track and allow passengers to board from that side of the train? Not sure how else to do it without encouraging dangerous behavior from the passengers.
I do understand depth perception and lack of understanding how close the train actually is but I got really angry seeing this.
I'm sorry if I was the engineer after I recovered from the heart attack does people gave me I'm coming off that train that is complete unexcetpable. How much more warning they need. (None just need brains). Operator I give you a clap, a hot cop of coffee, and some pain relievers for that headache. Great job on the stop and great to hold your composure.
Why isn't there a fence next to the Traintrack? This is just waiting for accidents
usually people with good sense know not to get on the track and you don't stand next to the track when a train is coming. These people were total idiots
sem schilder - They used a provided crosswalk....which isn’t nor would be fenced anyway.....
@@chooch1995 just these people were being idiots. I wonder if they know they are on TH-cam being talked about
Correct, but the crosswalk didn't seem "guarded" and I live in the Netherlands and almost all track in urban area is fenced. Also with guarded crosswalks so such a thing should not happen
@@thexvilo - clearly....this isn't an urban area.....
This is either often or always an un-staffed station and there are often no announcements telling passengers which side the train is arriving on (and it does vary)
There is always some type of notification. The person selling the tickets would tell the people there to wait to board. They wouldn't just give you a ticket, and have you figure it out.
@@Normal1855 What part of "un-staffed" don't you understand?
Like what is it with people, huh? Luckily this train was able to stop in time, if it hadn't, this would have been a tragedy! Come on people, use your bloody brains! Ashland needs a station master like La Plata! I hope the conductors gave thoes people a good talking too!
Kaless215 We do actually. I’m usually one of those folks who help control the Ashland crowd. I work with the people who run the Ashland train station, but unfortunately the station wasn’t open at the time.
Ahh okay. I was under the impression, that because the station was basically a Museum, that it didn't have a Station Master. Thanks for the clarification.
Ashland, Massachusetts?
I can hear the crew.....You have to be kidding me as he hit emergency and lays on the horn.
He should've kept going after the emergency. And if anyone objected afterwards, he should've replied: What passengers? All I saw saw a bunch of dead ones who where lucky enough to not get plowed down into the gravel
I must say Amtrak 98 has a awesome sounds K5LA horn.
Thats what I thought too
What town permits on street parking where a main line train track goes through it?
I'd be screaming at them out the window.
I have a question since we did not grow up around passenger rail just freight rail. When someone purchases tickets to get picked up in a rural area such as this that does not appear to have a depot, why is the rail crew not informed that they have pickups in those small towns so they can plan their stop? If not for the emergency stop those darwin award candidates would never have made it on the train.?
The "Dumb ways to die" safety PR campaign comes to mind here :(
I find it so cool to just see the tracks there like that right next to the road without any sort of fencing. I've never seen that where im from in the UK although I live in a very urban area
What am I missing here? The train finally ends up stopping five car lengths beyond where the emergency stop concluded. Not excusing the actions of the passengers crossing the tracks, but why was the train moving at such a high rate of speed (that close to its actual stopping point) that it needed to go into emergency braking? The engineer knows he has a stop, he knows the track he is on will result in people crossing the tracks, and presumably he knows there are no safe guards keeping people from doing just what these folks did. From someone who works in aviation, there seems to be a lot of unmitigated hazards here leaving unacceptable levels of risk for all involved.
Ttrucker. Then why were people moving to the active track outboard side to board from the brick boarding platform? He was going to stop.
ljlintner All the points you make are, to me, very good ones. You'd expect a more defensive approach given that people can sometimes do daft things. Maybe I am also missing something.
What you’re missing here flyboy is that an engineer begins his brake application at a good distance out and is not anticipating morons that will be running...no, walking out in his path. This little ‘hiccup’ now changes the math involved in everything as he must apply the emergency brake. In other words, had the imbeciles not disrupted his station stop, he would’ve pulled in & spotted his train perfectly at the station platform. What, exactly do you do in the aviation industry...I’m curious.....
What's an underpass ?
Wow, what is with this town!
DarthYoda. It is the Railroad's fault. No instruction 10 minutes prior as to which track the train is arriving (even a speaker and light) and no procedure to always arrive on the station's primary track. Basically Amtrak doing the least possible to drive the train. If this happens numerous times, then THEY have a problem because they ARE the problem.
Put that in your mind, imagine yourself to be passenger X and watch the video again.
Happened at my old job site. vehicle stuck on tracks while a freight train was approaching from Menlo park in Cali I notified the police, dispatch called the train to stop. Stopped 10 feet away from the vehicle. 😲
IF THIS STOP HAS A MANNED STATION, THERE SHOULD BE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN AGENT AND TRAIN CREW TO DETERMINE ARRIVAL TIME AND GET THE PASSENGERS ON THE PROPER SIDE OF THE TRACKS
5 MINUTES EARLIER!
ROSS Bryan6 if it’s manned, that’s what happens
It is not manned or even open for the morning train. You have to guess. That said, they were standing up over the curb. I guess there should be signs or painted curb.
Your CAPS lock is on!!!
Every station I was at, had announcements, and signs directing you to the proper track. People are way too absorbed in their lives to even listen, or read, anything that's not right in front of their faces.
In the coaches, how many people got spilled out of their seat and how many drinks spilled?
Complete and utter fools of the highest order!
Should be fined for endangering life!
When a passenger train or freight, for that matter, goes into emergency braking, does the conductor have to do a brake check afterwards?
rvnmedic1968 - only if the air fails to recover....
Should leave them all just stand there!
Was there a late announcement of the track? Maybe they should install gates at that crosswalk. And certainly better info to passengers of the track side to be on...
2:28 someone jumps off the roof
Dude that man on roof is a maintenance guy didn't jump off roof there was a ladder unseen by camera what he does is checking ac units he works for a hvac company
Is that supposed to be an official train stop?? Looks like in the 1890s.
Ashland needs Amy from La Plata to control folks on the platform.
Every station needs an Amy from La Plata (including mine here in the UK!)
We do actually. I’m usually one of those folks who help control the Ashland crowd. I work with the people who run the Ashland train station, but unfortunately the station wasn’t open at the time. Thus, none of the staff were there. Note the Ashland train station is not owned by Amtrak, it’s ran by volunteers.
Ttrucker you have a minute and a half to determine what track a southbound train is on and three minutes for a northbound train.
Ttrucker plus, CSX/Amtrak don’t tell you what track the train is onx
That is true, they need to ANNOUNCE, so people do not dart across or build a ped bridge/underpass if the railroad is that lazy to tell you where the friggin train going to be stopping at!
Does anyone know what kind of horn the locomotive has?
Thank goodness no harm to people or train.
It wouldn't have hurt the train one bit.
What kind of primal train station is that ? Are there no safety regulations in the US ?
Look as they just waddle and dawdle across the tracks like sedated lemmings as a speeding train heads right for them and their children! If this happened in south Florida with the new *high speed* trains in operation, most of them would be stains on the tracks by now.
Why are the crossing gates not lowered?
I can't wait to take my very own train
Now tie them to the tracks, back up
Car at 3:00 in the right lane stayed there for 30 seconds?
Again to close!
Is this an ALCo technology locomotive
Do the people of Ashland have a death wish?
Ashland..........where? which state??
David Wolfs Ashland, Virginia. It is a small town about 15 miles north of Richmond, Virginia.
Wow! Shame on those people! They really need to respect those trains down there.
How do you get the TCC Cameras
Wonder how many new flat spots appeared on the wheels
I understand the stop but I'm afraid that the reason for a delay was lost on me. I'm curious if there's an actual labeled line which people should stay behind.
What's "the wait" after an emergency brake is there some sort of reset of the system?
You’re on to something!
At 0:43 why are the barriers up when there's a train coming?
Roger Froud - barriers were down. Watch the video from the start. They are easily seen lowering down. What you’re seeing at :43 is simply a pole....
people assume because there isn't a fully secured gate blocking them with no way around that it's probably still safe to cross
What is emergency breaking distance for this Amtrak train?
Damian M - breaking? Breaking? Sheesh. Give me a brake!
why the gates are not engaged?
Why do so many Stations not have platforms ?
Unbelievable!! Amazing job getting that train stopped like that though. I realize he wasn't cranking, but he was going fast enough. That is a whole lot of train to get stopped in short of a distance that quickly. My question is how many years of people getting killed by trains will it take for people to realize how easy it is to get killed by a train??
is there a delay to reset the emergency brakes? Is that the designated crosswalk?
acts2211 yes & yes
Why does it take 5 minutes to get going again? I noticed it on another Amtrak video to?
Rick te Kronnie - the engineer must recharge the air brake system....we call it ‘getting the air back’.....
Oh that would've been a fast way to bypass Ashland and go straight to Fredericksburg. How in the world do you cross in front of the train at the LAST MINUTE to catch it? Had that been a CSX train, that would've been the last thing they would've seen.
Was that horn the emergency horn? It sounded high-pitched.
TheJakeman789 we only have one horn. Sometimes they get fouled. When you mash the button all the way down they can get shrill
Ok The trains in canada have emergency horns, thought it was a thing on all passenger trains...
TheJakeman789 that’s interesting . No we only have the one horn.
In my Aussie home town Rockhampton trains still run in the street at around 10mph for a couple of miles. One guy had just traded in his older truck 16t gvm at the dealer but must have been deaf. My old man was driving the locomotive that whacked that truck into its side. Nobody hurt..one more notch on the belt for Dad