Hogue Deka Magnacut edge retention testing. Is this all everyone expected it would be?
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- Hogue Deka Magnacut edge retention testing. Is this going to be all that everyone expected it to be? I tested this one on the factory, first, third and fourth edge as well as an average hardness to go along with the cutting data. I'll talk about how it sharpened as well as how I think this fits in as a production steel.
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Edge retention testing data sheets
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As always I appreciate your time and thanks for watching.
Hogue started running the Dekas at 63-64 for recent Magnacut batches. Would be cool to see a comparison; appears to be a marked improvement. Did you ever get your hands on the Magnacut RSK sprint run? Would love to see how that fares. I have one, but haven't put it through the ringer. Protech's MC is supposed to be impressive.
Thanks for your dedication and major contributions to the community G! Truly appreciate ya
I did not get one of the RSK in Magnacut. At some point I'll get a Deka and see how it does compared to this one.
I was just watching some of your older vids and wondering where you've been. Glad you're back, looking forward to seeing some new results. Magnacut is looking pretty good for production. Hopefully other companies will start transitioning from 20cv and move on to this. I've heard some companies are running it around 61, hoping it's just a few examples from a first run or ironing out the ht. It would be really nice to see it coming in at 63-64
I'm going to cover what's been going on the past few months and where I've been. From the examples I've had so far Magnacut is a better choice than 20CV that's the current rage.
Super steels are really too soft because of a weird belief that they are weaker. I know s35, s45, and Magnacut are almost always made a few HRC too soft and are actually made weaker.
Larrin the inventor/investor says that staying with 61.5 is the least risky. To go harder means a much greater chance of having austenite and not martensite.
If I remember correctly Larrin said that's only an issue when shooting for 64 or 65 and if you do cryo it should not be an issue which most companies do cryo now
Welcome back! I'm glad to see new videos. These results were not surprising. Overall, this is pretty good for a ~$125 knife. MagnaCut is living up to what I expected so far.
The scales look great! I have a blue plastic version with the sheepmag blade like this one. I've only sharpened it once. It sharpened fairly easily.
Sheepmag blade", great name kol
I think you really nailed Magnacut on the head. A solid and SAFE choice for stainless steel that performs well. Love the consistent performance we've been seeing from the factory models. I wonder if that has more to do with the actual steel design or Larrin's up front work for recommending heat treats.
As always, appreciate the work!
I believe Larrin pointing companies in the right direction as well as manufacturers listening from early Magnacut testing went a long way with this coming out strong.
Nice to have to you back Gerald. You were missed.
Thank you
Deka is a bargain. I got the polymer version clip point and love it. Still waiting for my pre-order spyderco Native in magnacut, but good to know that they are comparable. Thanks for the review!
The Deka is a good value for performance.
Really cool value from Hogue. Great to hear those numbers. Thanks!
Awesome video, Thank you for all the testing. Much appreciated
You're welcome and thank you.
I was just bragging on you and decided to look you up. Hope all is well, I haven't received any notifications from TH-cam relevant to your channel and I am subscribed. Have a great Christmas man, I hope the move goes well with.
Good to see you back G. I hope you get out of there before this next storm that seems to be brewing up moves that way.
This is an old video I made back in June. I've been in Tennessee since July. Just been very busy.
@@Outpost_76 great to hear, setting in to your new place I'm sure has kept you busy!
Just got the Hogue Deka Magnacut, a Great Knife! Thanks for the video. 😎👍
The Deka is a great knife and the price makes it that much better for what you get.
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Thank you sir i am a new subscriber and i love this channel very informative very well done and iam catching up on your older videos also 😀 👍
Look also for microstructure vs hardness by cliff stamp. Also microstructure matters by Tom
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Glad to see your back and doing good thanks for the video .
Awesome to see you back. Interesting results. I always look forward to your vids. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable
Thank you and you're welcome.
Glad to see you back. I ordered the polymer deka Wharncliffe magnacut in silver blade. My grind came jacked up on the same side but way worse. The grind actually curved down and back up. I think the person grinding the blade sneezed or dozed off for a second . I was going to send it back but since I sharpen a lot I decided to fix it myself because I got so angry. It's a downer getting in a new knife just to see it messed up. It took me awhile to straighten everything out since I hand sharpen but I got it there. I don't know if you left a toothy edge or high polish edge. It seems mine does better with a toothy edge. It cuts paper better with a polished edge but needs bite to cut other things. How did you leave yours? The deka in polymer is light and it sounds great flipping it open. I don't really like the way the blade is done on the Wharncliffe. I'll buy the drop point next or I hope they do something different with the blade shape/grind since I like sheepsfoot and Wharncliffe blades. I can't say I like the polymer scales. I asked hogue if I could buy some g10 and they said they don't sell scales separately. Oh well. I'll wait for customs. They should have checkered the polymer scales or done something to give more grip. Thanks for the video.😊
I think the Deka will keep gaining in popularity and we will see many other scale options from aftermarket companies.
Thank you, been waiting for this review of the DEKA
Hey G 😃✌️ glad you are back, can't wait for the other videos. Hope everything is fine. Thanks for the effort as always my friend.👍
Thanks
G thanks for all your work testing and thanks for sharing brother it’s really appreciated 👊
You're welcome
Great video Gerald I think it should definitely replace the soft 20cv, 204P, M390 that’s so prevalent on the market, I like to look at it as a S45vn incremental improvement. Being as the edge retention, toughness, and corrosion resistance are all better and for the everyday user even those who abuse their knives it will be a stainless that can take the beating where the S30v family would fail and still be able to keep up in terms of edge retention and it’s very difficult to rust. Overall Leads to a great balanced everyday carry steel, much like what they had in mind when creating the S30v family of steels.
I need to send you my RSK Maggie. They quoted them at 63-64rc, so it should be right in line with my Arius.
MagnaCut excels at corrosion resistance and has very good toughness, but edge retention is really just middle of the road. Dr. Larrin Thomas, the inventor of magnaCut, publishes a table where he rates toughness, edge retention, and corrosion resistance. MagnaCut was 7, 5, and 9.5 respectively. Compare that to 4, 6, and 7.5 for S30V and 3.5, 9, and 7.5 for S90V. Dr. Thomas also will cite that edge geometry has more to do with performance than any other factor. MagnaCut is a great steel for what it does, but those who select it should understand it's pros and cons.
Good to see you man!
Thanks
Very curious on how the higher end production companies are doing with there magnacut compared to what you have done already. I have 3 knives in magnacut, sebenza, Mac 2 3.5, and a knife from DCC. There is a difference in my use from DCC knife in magnacut compared to the other 2. The DCC knife sharpens slightly easier and to me in random use last 30 to 40% longer.
I think I read from Larrin Thomas that magnacut sharpens easier at 63+. The dcc knife is probably harder.
Hogue fixed their magnacut with the current release's only recently. Apparently they found out they screwed up. Apparently you can warranty claim and get new batch in 63-64rc. Don't quote me on that. But someone in the comments told me something like that.
At least if any brand do magnacut at 62rc it does better than how bad the majority of brands do on m390. And they won't ship magnacut to china anymore. So already a better buy than china m390 other than Reate.
Did any Chinese brands improve m390? Have you tested any newer twosun m390 yet? I think two brand's worked with kknives of Switzerland to improve heat treat of m390 one of which was kunwu I forget the other. Maybe it was kubey?
I remember that Case knives magnacut was like 59-60rc when people were testing them. Thats got to be crappy.
No great M390 from over there with the few exceptions I've found. Magnacut at 62 + is definitely a great step for users over most base steels now.
I have a Bradford at 61. It's absolutely too soft. My deka scorpion holds a much better edge 2-3hrc harder
I ll bet this works great touched up with a ceramic rod that adds some toothiness . I ce found the strop shines em up and gets a glassy edge but I m probably over stropping , lol . The ceramic rod , for me , makes a nice even grippy edge even if it’s a micro bevel on the edge the performance I get using them on job sites is noticeable with a sticky edge . The over stropped I think edges are slippery but slicey a f for food and cardboard . Is this why people say what knife to grab for certain things ? I totally understand now after using so many different styled blade designs . They’re slicing knives then there’s work knives
I had a feeling this was going to do good.
I think this might change people's minds on production MagnaCut.
Thank you!
You're welcome
Just ordered one from doodys daggers with scales for a great price 👍
What can only pattern access the spreadsheet?
I just got a Curtis custom large f3 in magnacut 63-64 hrc advertisement heat treat
so what do you think about crewear vs manacut and also your thoughts on maxamet?
I'm going to do a video about Magnacut and what my experience and thoughts on it are as compared to other steels.
Try push cutting 1" manilla rope with same portion of the edge and see how many cuts it gets.
This was sent to me for testing and returned long ago. If I end up with one in the future I may test it that way.
@@Outpost_76 I noticed that several in the knife guild use 1 in thick manilla rope, tape of just one section of the blade for cutting in the same section every time, then push cut slices off to see how many it will do.
how can we check out the google doc witch the edge retention testing?
I'm still working on a new one. I also lost access to the old one.
Have you tested the 20cv version of the deka? Wondering how this would compare to that.
I did and the video is back a ways. The one I tested and still have was pretty close to how this Magnacut version did. The difference being the edge stability and overall toughness of Magnacut will be a big benefit for all users.
What is this coating on the deka? Cerakote?
It's listed as Cerakote.
From your spreadsheet, this looks pretty similar to LC200N numbers. If the sharpening experience with 62HRC Magnacut is less than amazing, I don't see any reason to leave LC200N. I wonder if this is also keeping Spyderco from making the move.
The native 5 LW salt in magna-cut is delayed because Spyderco is presently having an issue with their magna-cut wearing through their native 5’s lock bar under stress testing. I think they have gone through two or three different materials.
@@nandayane Oh, I had no idea. Thanks for that insight! I assume it's right from the horse's mouth, at Spyderco Forum, from Eric or Sal?
@@ZPositive I believe it was Sal on the forums.
@@nandayane cool. It's the most endearing thing ever that Sal and Eric frequent those forums. How could anyone _not_ love Spyderco?
@@ZPositive Pretty much, that is why they have my money
Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍
Those are cool scales, is this a limited edition?
I believe it was a SMKW exclusive from last year.
@@Outpost_76 Very nice!
I know you mentioned deburring, how hard is it to sharpen?
I would assume it depends on how much retained austenite is left. Did they use ln2 or not and the quench method.
It's relatively easy to sharpen. Not that you typically have to, but the bevels on these look like they were sharpened by monkeys.
@@bobjohnson1633 they often are
Been getting into knives and found your testing super informative (info overload initially cause of the learning curve). Not sure if I missed it elsewhere but do you do anything to the blades in-between testing runs to wear out the edge more or is it already sufficiently worn out from testing to get to the new steel underneath?
I drag the edge across a diamond plate to make sure the prior apex is gone before sharpening each time. This way I'm not just fixing up what's already there.
Overall I’m pleased with my magnacut Deka, but I would really prefer if the blade stock was a bit thicker. As it is it just feels rather insubstantial…..
It's meant to be in the Bugout class of knives. The RSK does come in Magnacut and has much thicker blade stock.
Is this the SMKW exclusive?
Yes
Who does your hardness testing?
Kurt did the hardness testing in the beginning. I bought my own machine 18 montgs ago to be able to have the data points.
@@Outpost_76 I don’t know how to msg privately on here, what would you charge me to do my three rivers atom?
@@John-xk7uo my email is in the description or you can message me on Instagram. Just pay shipping and I'll check the hardness.
Magnacut end3d up not being so stainless
Five or six weeks since your last posting, try five months!
I made this video and the next 4 or 5 I'll be posting back in late June.
never a face to go along with the voice. oh come on. show us your mug!!
Maybe one of these days, unless everyone wants to see what a bridge troll looks like.
@@Outpost_76 ha ha ha
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This Magnacut is done right!! I’ve tested two of these. Hogue killed it
Its not really that good compared to what it could be.
They upgraded to 63-64 HRC, now. If you have to have one hardness for all magnacut blades, that's the best.
Want a harder steel? Get something that is designed to be harder.
@@tacticalcenter8658 How good could it be then? It’s already at optimal hardness. Doesn’t get any better than that… Curious to hear your explanation
@@optimuscrime608 62 is not optimal. Its balanced. 63-64 is optimal and recommended.
@@tacticalcenter8658 it’s at 63-64…