I think what he’s saying is the basic fundamentals work consistently against all opponents. Where specialty techniques only present a distinct advantage against someone that doesn’t know the technique. Then once those specialty techniques become known they lose there value because the element of surprise is gone.
Also most of the fundamental techniques, If done right, can be executed well even by my mother. But good luck teaching her rubber guard. And I’m speaking as a true flat earther and Eddie Bravo fan.
That's like saying fundamental jujitsu only works against people who don't know fundamental jujitsu. As much as I respect Rickson, he's just protecting the family business. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just calling it as it is. Another part of this interview is Rickson saying that leg locks were NOT frowned upon. That's a complete crock of BS. The Gracie family was instrumental in banning leg lock techniques in competitions so that they could maintain an advantage against a rival gym in Brazil. It took the ADCC and the Danaher Death Squad to finally show the world that you can't ignore half of the human body. The typical BJJ brown belt or even black belt is a novice in leg locks and that's only recently begun to change.
@@GeorgeOu While I agree with most of what you say, that most black belts are unfamiliar with leg locks is, in my experience, a patently false claim, particularly for those of us who are smaller. I’ve dealt with anorexia since age nine and measure in at 5’ 11” and 118 pounds, and a good leg lock game is my savior.
@@GeorgeOu The main reason the Gracies banned leg locks is they are bad for business. People get hurt before they have the chance to tap and injured people don't continue paying gym dues. It was a financial decision. On the other hand, Renzo never banned ANYTHING. This included training in wrestling, striking, etc. Renzo encourages it.
I’m a huge fan of 10p. That being said, you don’t see people hitting subs with rubber guard at the highest levels of comp. everyone knows what it is and where it comes from. Rickson is correct.
@@damnson6556 right on. Do you see them come from rubber guard? I'm not trying to argue or whatever, I'm just curious b/c I'm not a guy who watches a ton of bjj comps
i think the same is true for guard attacks in general - works best on an ignorant opponent who thinks hes safe. high level mma has seen a decline in successful subs from guard
I dont know about that... just look up Roger Gracie, considered by many the goat in gi jiu jitsu and he is a master in the closed guard. Mike Musumeci, the list can go far. MMA is another subject because off the strikes, but a really good jiu-jitsu practitioner, like Charles Oliveira, get subs from the guard even in mma
@@pauloneneve8561 with all due respect the point is not that guard attacks dont work anymore but that *lately* they have seen a *decline* in *mma* and *nogi* . rodger hasnt really competed since 2010 and the 2 subs hes had since then were from the back and top position. idk about this mike guy but it seems like he mostly competes in the gi. and oliveira is definitely a bjj wizard but still a small percentage of his wins come by guard attacks
@@hanu9830 got your point. But in Gi, the guard seems to still be effective. Mikey is a great guard player, a small guy that competes even in the absolutes.
When Rickson speaks on anything BJJ related, he is talking from authority. Machado is the guy that gave Eddie Bravo his black belt. He is also a life long friend, opponent and fellow Corral belt of Rickson. Rickson says that The two of them have analysed the Rubber Guard. The rest of us should really just shut up and listen to their findings.
There also related not just friends when jjm first opened his school it was under the gracie banner was only because of family fueds he had to branch himself off but yeh I think they're cousins.
@@unclepalo Funnily, they're not blood cousins, but have cousins in common. I have a group like that. I have a couple cousins, children of my mom's sister. While I'm close with them, I'm actually closer to THEIR cousins, who I also grew up with but have no blood relation. The Machados and the Gracies are the same, if I'm not mistaken.
rubber guard is much more effective from Jersey than new york imo. if you have a good jersey hook you can keep the angle while in new york you get flattened out and smashed by strong head position. don’t stay in rubberguard long tho you have to move fast
@@madisonsquaredoit2629 although you make a good point, Rafael Lovato and JT Torres both are also on video rolling with Marcelo and both did very well. However you're right Marcelo is probably from another planet.
To my great teacher Rickson Gracie...your the best mi Maestro en Juijitsu..from Black Belt MMA Johnny Padilla & author...also your book Breath is excellente..!
This is why it's a strange technique to teach people who walk into the door. The vast majority of people don't have the flexibility and will never put in the thousands of hours of stretching to get there.
@ viktor They are great but they never had a fight on the beach for families honor or did vale tudo no time limit fights…..Rickson is a legend in non sport bjj Gordon will be a legend in sport bjj
Rubber Guard could be very effective in MMA. It's a great position where you can strike, and control posture and submit. The biggest problem to rubber guard is actually getting to the position to begin with. Having a guy's posture fully broken down where you have the ability to wrap your foot and arm around the back of his head is asking a lot.
Great share 👍🏻 I love what he had to say about it 😊 Very nicely said I agree that with rubber guard it is easy to get stuck on bottom and shut down if the person on top knows what they are doing. And being stuck under a big strong opponent is a bad situation.
For those that can't comprehend. Yes, the rubber guard is great. However, every move must be set up, rather than making it obvious to counter, protect, and/or get caught in a move. In addition, a high level BJJ will be on alert of certain moves than a beginner, so be cautious on deciding which move is best to use within combat.
Ofc if someone knows about a technique they’ll be able to better defend against it, but it doesn’t mean much beyond that. if knowing a technique made it null and void then Eddie wouldn’t have been able to wipe the floor w Royler Gracie. Eddie got the better of him the 2nd time also (THOUGHT HE KNEW BOUT THE TECHNIQUES HUH?)
Well, at least he’s honest in his opinion lol. Jiu jitsu is a very large industry with millions of practitioners around the world. Different styles work best at different times and for different people. In this clip, I can’t help but feel the bitterness in his voice as he remembers Eddie beating his brother, twice really.
What? I think the bitterness is in you. He answered it sincerely. "Beating his brother". You are angry, man. He had to answer "it's amazing! The best guard ever! Enough to call Ajj from now on!". Wtf...
Rubber guard, twister, dead orchard we don't see working in a ADCC match. There is a lot of details and techniques behind the simple armbar or triangle. I like to train this kind of positions but "feijão com arroz" is more efficient.
adcc = no spine locks so no twister, we've seen rubber guard in adcc a couple of times. definitely in 2003 and 2005 also nino shembri used similar stuff to get a omoplata sub in 1998 adcc.. positions similar 'dead orchard'' high guard shoulder lock out have been used by xande and roger ...you just don't see many guys caught in closed guard and the times we do the guys aren't users of the exact moves
@@kristameyers224 that's funny because I forgot about the first time where he actually finished royler. I was just thinking about Eddie dominating the rematch 🙃
Rickson is a very smart man, I'm very surprised he would say that, maybe it's like when we don't know very much about something we can be nervous or turned off about trying new things, 10p system is great there's things I love and things that don't work very well for me because I'm not that flexible
After what just happened, I believe Everyone is glue to the Screen to See Heavyweights go ahead and fight for the Lineal World Heavyweight Championship.........
It doesn't look that he is against the use of the rubber guard, but rather that it is a very defensive position that doesn't offer enough opportunities to attack. P.S. I don't know shit about BJJ and I don't use the rubber guard. I am just interested in the sport.
So did Rickson about a million times without Rubber Guard. Remember Ricksons focus is always on the best techniques for the weak and unathletic. So it’s 100% predictable that he doesn’t endorse specialty moves that require very specific physical attributes.
In other words, its a low percentage technique. But there are a lot of low percentage techniques that even Rickson teaches such as the Americana. That doesnt work past white belt. That doesnt mean its a bad technique theres a time and place.
What a trip. I wrote a thoughtful comment, and hit comment, and one word from the comment posts twice. I've seen one comment from one video get posted to several other videos. TH-cam needs to fix this. It happens to a lot of people.
He LITERALLY said that the reason he isn't ALL IN with rubber guard is because its a technique that is either nullified by an experienced Jiu Jitsu practitioner, or it somewhat stalemates the match. How much more simplistic do you want it? Just the fact you're questioning the MASTER makes your statement incredibly laughable.
@@Larryandhisbelts I don't like anything simplistic because I don't have a simple mind like you worthless troll. I don't consider any man my master but the most high. Now you cam ef off little soft boy. I can you better than tell you. I'm a grown man. Don't try me.
@@Larryandhisbelts all bjj moves can be nullified by trained practitioners. This is why lots of really high end matches come off as boring. If he was trying to make the argument that there isnt a variation or transitions from rubber guard to a variety of submissions then he isnt being honest and only wants Gracie bjj to be taken seriously.
I think what he’s saying is the basic fundamentals work consistently against all opponents. Where specialty techniques only present a distinct advantage against someone that doesn’t know the technique. Then once those specialty techniques become known they lose there value because the element of surprise is gone.
Also most of the fundamental techniques, If done right, can be executed well even by my mother. But good luck teaching her rubber guard. And I’m speaking as a true flat earther and Eddie Bravo fan.
That's like saying fundamental jujitsu only works against people who don't know fundamental jujitsu. As much as I respect Rickson, he's just protecting the family business. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just calling it as it is.
Another part of this interview is Rickson saying that leg locks were NOT frowned upon. That's a complete crock of BS. The Gracie family was instrumental in banning leg lock techniques in competitions so that they could maintain an advantage against a rival gym in Brazil. It took the ADCC and the Danaher Death Squad to finally show the world that you can't ignore half of the human body. The typical BJJ brown belt or even black belt is a novice in leg locks and that's only recently begun to change.
@@AbsoluteADCC Was it Eddie who convinced you of flat earth?
@@GeorgeOu While I agree with most of what you say, that most black belts are unfamiliar with leg locks is, in my experience, a patently false claim, particularly for those of us who are smaller. I’ve dealt with anorexia since age nine and measure in at 5’ 11” and 118 pounds, and a good leg lock game is my savior.
@@GeorgeOu The main reason the Gracies banned leg locks is they are bad for business. People get hurt before they have the chance to tap and injured people don't continue paying gym dues. It was a financial decision. On the other hand, Renzo never banned ANYTHING. This included training in wrestling, striking, etc. Renzo encourages it.
Explaining a move to Rickson Gracie is like explaining a punch to Mike Tyson.
And Eddie completely confused a gracie in bjj...he knows some slippery shit that they wasn't expecting
@@chrisjenkins5846they snakes anyway, literally ripped all their moves from japanese fighters and named it after em! Kimura was a man ffs
I’m a huge fan of 10p. That being said, you don’t see people hitting subs with rubber guard at the highest levels of comp. everyone knows what it is and where it comes from. Rickson is correct.
I've seen 'Dead orchard' used quite a bit.
Exactly rickson is just being frank and honest coming from him who was always ahead of everyone in his family
I like 10th as well and just to add to your point, has a 10p athlete ever won ADCC?
i see people get put in dead orchards at a pretty high level
@@damnson6556 right on. Do you see them come from rubber guard? I'm not trying to argue or whatever, I'm just curious b/c I'm not a guy who watches a ton of bjj comps
Looks like Eddie Bravo didn't convinced him about rubber guard.
i think the same is true for guard attacks in general - works best on an ignorant opponent who thinks hes safe. high level mma has seen a decline in successful subs from guard
This is true, especially in top level no gi matches. While it can be a pain to pass it can be predictable
I dont know about that... just look up Roger Gracie, considered by many the goat in gi jiu jitsu and he is a master in the closed guard. Mike Musumeci, the list can go far. MMA is another subject because off the strikes, but a really good jiu-jitsu practitioner, like Charles Oliveira, get subs from the guard even in mma
@@pauloneneve8561 with all due respect the point is not that guard attacks dont work anymore but that *lately* they have seen a *decline* in *mma* and *nogi* . rodger hasnt really competed since 2010 and the 2 subs hes had since then were from the back and top position. idk about this mike guy but it seems like he mostly competes in the gi. and oliveira is definitely a bjj wizard but still a small percentage of his wins come by guard attacks
@@hanu9830 got your point. But in Gi, the guard seems to still be effective. Mikey is a great guard player, a small guy that competes even in the absolutes.
Both examples of guys have long frames.. definitely an exception
When Rickson speaks on anything BJJ related, he is talking from authority. Machado is the guy that gave Eddie Bravo his black belt. He is also a life long friend, opponent and fellow Corral belt of Rickson. Rickson says that The two of them have analysed the Rubber Guard. The rest of us should really just shut up and listen to their findings.
Not only lifelong friend, that’s his literal cousin too
JJM received his coral from Rickson.
Well, my guy is known as the BJJ giant killer... *MARCELO GARCIA!*
There also related not just friends when jjm first opened his school it was under the gracie banner was only because of family fueds he had to branch himself off but yeh I think they're cousins.
@@unclepalo Funnily, they're not blood cousins, but have cousins in common. I have a group like that. I have a couple cousins, children of my mom's sister. While I'm close with them, I'm actually closer to THEIR cousins, who I also grew up with but have no blood relation. The Machados and the Gracies are the same, if I'm not mistaken.
rubber guard is much more effective from Jersey than new york imo. if you have a good jersey hook you can keep the angle while in new york you get flattened out and smashed by strong head position. don’t stay in rubberguard long tho you have to move fast
Look at Marcelo Garcia and Eddie Bravo rolling.
Look at Marcelo Garcia and anybody rolling. You’d think guard didn’t work at all if you judged it based on rolls with Marcelo
@@madisonsquaredoit2629 although you make a good point, Rafael Lovato and JT Torres both are also on video rolling with Marcelo and both did very well. However you're right Marcelo is probably from another planet.
Brother Eddie Bravo don’t get any love from the Gracies.
The question is a “Yes-No Question” which simply means that it works or not? But his answer was too long
Edgy Brah tapped him, and his ego is too big to get over it.
@@aleksandargrum Edgy Brah tapped Rickson????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@@FreekFreeksma He must be thinking of Royler.
@@FreekFreeksma my bad, Royler, but anyway, ego of Gracies is too big to live with it.
To my great teacher Rickson Gracie...your the best mi Maestro en Juijitsu..from Black Belt MMA Johnny Padilla & author...also your book Breath is excellente..!
These dudes will never accept Eddie Bravo 🤣
As time has told us, most people will never have the requisite flexibility to make rubber guard effective long term.
This is why it's a strange technique to teach people who walk into the door. The vast majority of people don't have the flexibility and will never put in the thousands of hours of stretching to get there.
@@aplacetobewithmythoughts7428 Shinya Aoki level flexibility is probably a level way too high to reach
I work at a 10th planet gym, couldn’t agree with Rickson more
you work there, train there, or both?
Hickson should’ve fought Sakuraba and Bas, was called out by both
You should fight someone Charles!
@@mmmmilovesmma4613 when I get paid to maybe I will!
@@charlesxavier6785 how would you against baby arm Bas tomorrow night? 3 rounds mma rules
@@mmmmilovesmma4613 ide stay tf away from his right 😂
@@charlesxavier6785 love it Charles
Rickson is the Goat
I’m in total agreement with you
not Gordon Ryan? or Roger? they have much more impressive carriers wouldn't you agree?
@ viktor
They are great but they never had a fight on the beach for families honor or did vale tudo no time limit fights…..Rickson is a legend in non sport bjj Gordon will be a legend in sport bjj
@The Tide Rises Rolls is universally considered the best, while he was alive, yes.
Rubber Guard could be very effective in MMA. It's a great position where you can strike, and control posture and submit.
The biggest problem to rubber guard is actually getting to the position to begin with. Having a guy's posture fully broken down where you have the ability to wrap your foot and arm around the back of his head is asking a lot.
Great share 👍🏻 I love what he had to say about it 😊 Very nicely said
I agree that with rubber guard it is easy to get stuck on bottom and shut down if the person on top knows what they are doing. And being stuck under a big strong opponent is a bad situation.
For those that can't comprehend. Yes, the rubber guard is great. However, every move must be set up, rather than making it obvious to counter, protect, and/or get caught in a move. In addition, a high level BJJ will be on alert of certain moves than a beginner, so be cautious on deciding which move is best to use within combat.
"If you know the move, you can counter it" super insightful take lol
The thing is mission control is easy to get out of and you can’t really launch your attacks if your not in the position long enough.
Joe it’s pronounced “hubber” guard
Ofc if someone knows about a technique they’ll be able to better defend against it, but it doesn’t mean much beyond that. if knowing a technique made it null and void then Eddie wouldn’t have been able to wipe the floor w Royler Gracie.
Eddie got the better of him the 2nd time also (THOUGHT HE KNEW BOUT THE TECHNIQUES HUH?)
My all time Favourite met him at weekend Seminar in Niagara Falls Canada back in late 90s
Well, at least he’s honest in his opinion lol. Jiu jitsu is a very large industry with millions of practitioners around the world. Different styles work best at different times and for different people. In this clip, I can’t help but feel the bitterness in his voice as he remembers Eddie beating his brother, twice really.
Well, there’s no denying that Rickson Gracie is the GOAT but i think that he was not answering the question probably
you mean once
What? I think the bitterness is in you. He answered it sincerely. "Beating his brother". You are angry, man. He had to answer "it's amazing! The best guard ever! Enough to call Ajj from now on!". Wtf...
@@tdhh1676 the footage from the abu Dhabi looked fake AF..look into it
@@drstuartjacobsen which one ?
rickson is like a doctor of bjj.
Rubber guard, twister, dead orchard we don't see working in a ADCC match. There is a lot of details and techniques behind the simple armbar or triangle. I like to train this kind of positions but "feijão com arroz" is more efficient.
adcc = no spine locks so no twister, we've seen rubber guard in adcc a couple of times. definitely in 2003 and 2005 also nino shembri used similar stuff to get a omoplata sub in 1998 adcc.. positions similar 'dead orchard'' high guard shoulder lock out have been used by xande and roger ...you just don't see many guys caught in closed guard and the times we do the guys aren't users of the exact moves
Seemed to work good against royler 🤪
Rogan didn't ask Royler lol
Twice
@@kristameyers224 that's funny because I forgot about the first time where he actually finished royler. I was just thinking about Eddie dominating the rematch 🙃
Rickson is a very smart man, I'm very surprised he would say that, maybe it's like when we don't know very much about something we can be nervous or turned off about trying new things, 10p system is great there's things I love and things that don't work very well for me because I'm not that flexible
@The Tide Rises for sure, I'm pretty sure Eddie Bravo will never get any love from the Gracies no matter what he wins or what he comes up with 😁
Looks like Eddie needs to look into it a little more
Sounds like Rickson needs to stop coping with Eddie surpassing his whole family in a handful of years.
Joe almost forcing Bravo and 10p system on Rickson. Good answer finally from Rickson.
I have paid attention to Dickson for the past 30 years and I can say he has an analytical mind but is extremely biased.
Eddie vs Royler 2 is all the proof one needs in my view. The Gracie family, many of them are purists in a way
He's a legend, but I wish he would have fought in Pride at the highest level.
“ If you know what coming you can defend “. Isn’t that true with every position in Jiu Jitsu?
That was literally his next sentence
You missed his profound statement in order to be a contrarian and sound smart on TH-cam. Sad.
@@estogaza5827 calm down Karen. Rickson is not going to promote you for hanging in his nutsack. relax.
@@lucasgreen4052 Nothing you wrote made sense. Which explains your original comment.
@@estogaza5827 I'm sorry you're a dumbass and comprehend basic communication.
I agree 100% HOWEVER, I believe we could see more moves being utilized like The Truck, as practiced by Bryce Mitchell and Korean Zombie.
Twister?
I thought the rubber guard was a condom
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 best comment
I wonder if Rickson is going to watch fury wilder?
After what just happened, I believe Everyone is glue to the Screen to See Heavyweights go ahead and fight for the Lineal World Heavyweight Championship.........
Man I’m sad they made that video private. Gracie’s probably asked joe to do it
Wouldn't surprise me if it was Eddies team, that whole video was pretty awkward lol
Rickson: Eddie said to look into it. I did and its rubbish
He is right! Even King Gordon Ryan doesn't acknowledge the rubber guard.
O maluco fala inglês como se tivesse falando português, apesar de fluente é bizarro o sotaque kkkk
Você está falando do Rickson Gracie o GOAT do JJ. Mais respeito por favor
what he said was... rubber guard ain't shit...
Rickson e o seu inglês de Joel Santana.
It doesn't look that he is against the use of the rubber guard, but rather that it is a very defensive position that doesn't offer enough opportunities to attack.
P.S. I don't know shit about BJJ and I don't use the rubber guard. I am just interested in the sport.
Yet he still tapped out Royler Gracie 😂
So did Rickson about a million times without Rubber Guard.
Remember Ricksons focus is always on the best techniques for the weak and unathletic. So it’s 100% predictable that he doesn’t endorse specialty moves that require very specific physical attributes.
@@marcusf.8994 that’s fact 🎯
In other words, its a low percentage technique. But there are a lot of low percentage techniques that even Rickson teaches such as the Americana. That doesnt work past white belt. That doesnt mean its a bad technique theres a time and place.
LOL going for an arm bar from guard.
What does this guy know? Oh wait, nvm..
goat status no doubt
The rubberguard has not lead to any revolution in sport BJJ, or MMA. The end. There's not trick.
Isn't this for everything?
strength
What a trip. I wrote a thoughtful comment, and hit comment, and one word from the comment posts twice. I've seen one comment from one video get posted to several other videos. TH-cam needs to fix this. It happens to a lot of people.
Still beat rolyler
Excuses for loss is extremely frustrating. Because of your lack of expansion your family suffers . So so extremely sad and sorry for your excuse’s
To be fair, a Gracie is never gonna admit that a non-Gracie move is effective...
Sounds like a hater
Hater or not. He did his time. No amount of bandwagon you use will stop what he has influenced.
just say that he's better than you guys
10th Planet Sucks
He spoke in circles. Said nothing specifically about the "rubber guard." Thanks for wasting my time. Appreciate that!
I appreciate you wasting my time reading your whiny comment 😂
He LITERALLY said that the reason he isn't ALL IN with rubber guard is because its a technique that is either nullified by an experienced Jiu Jitsu practitioner, or it somewhat stalemates the match. How much more simplistic do you want it?
Just the fact you're questioning the MASTER makes your statement incredibly laughable.
@@Larryandhisbelts I don't like anything simplistic because I don't have a simple mind like you worthless troll. I don't consider any man my master but the most high. Now you cam ef off little soft boy. I can you better than tell you. I'm a grown man. Don't try me.
@@Larryandhisbelts all bjj moves can be nullified by trained practitioners. This is why lots of really high end matches come off as boring. If he was trying to make the argument that there isnt a variation or transitions from rubber guard to a variety of submissions then he isnt being honest and only wants Gracie bjj to be taken seriously.
@@fighterx4133 He just said he doesn't believe in it.
explained the fighting mechanism extremely well