That example of bending your finger sideways vs forward/back is the clearest explanation the difference of leglocks to other subs that I've ever heard. Thanks to grandmaster Rickson for that.
The majority of leglocks are not designed to force the ligaments sideways, most of them act like regular subs, and there are the exceptions: the toe hold variations (classic toe hold, outside heel hook, estima lock), the inverted heel hook, the reaping motion / judo's ashi garami etc.
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR The person is saying that the explanation shows quite clearly how some holds can not hurt until after something catastrophic happens, not that every leglock bends your knee exactly the same way.
Not sure why people are saying Rickson is trashing leg locks. He’s not trashing them at all. He’s saying that they are indeed dangerous and you definitely need to know how to deal with them.
Very valid comment. I don't think he was really trashing on them here. He did kind of dismiss that people got boo'd and thought them dirty (they most certainly did), but they are most definitely dangerous. I'd always get very nervous when someone would start working heel and ankles -- mostly because I never got fully comfortable with them (ignorance)...but I've definitely seen people get really hurt.
Ken Shamrock was submitting guys with leglocks long before UFC was televised. Leg locks were taught in prewar Kodokan Judo and Russian Sambo. Also in old school American hook wrestling/catch wrestling during Farmer Burns era. The IJF banned leg locks in competition for safety reasons. To prevent life changing knee injuries.
I think Kano got rid of them long before the IJF existed. Leg locks are used in competitions all over the world and they generally are no more dangerous than throws or chokes. People are NOT getting crippled left and right.
Anyone who's had a knee wrecked from a leg lock, has a very different opinion on whether locks that can wreck your joints should be involved in anything called "sport." I've got nothing but damn trouble from my right knee. In fact I can hardly walk some days it's so arthritic now and it all started from leg lock.
@@zigzzagz5732 I don't been to be a critic, I sympathize with your pain. How much stretching have you been doing? Stretching every single day for the rest of your life might sound like a lot when you begin, you get used to it though and when you hear your knee pop in a positive way for the first time it's an emotional break through.
@@Pentagathusosaurus See the problem is people don't know the important stretches so fail to see really good results. I'm talking about stretching to the point where ALL your joints and bones will start to shift into better alignment eliminating the arthritis almost completely eventually. I know people who do yoga for years and fail to get the results I'm talking about, I fixed my duck walk feet, my bowed knees, my lower back pain, my shoulders misalignment that dates back to my birth probably, my neck stiffness. I've felt my bones move in ways that would probably make some people pass out in fear they just ruined themselves, but it's always positive results. Align your chakra's is symbology to stretch to the point your spine can be perfectly aligned along with the rest of your body, people miss that point and focus on stupid breathing and meditation techniques that don't fix anything.
I’m blessed! Went from day one, brand new white belt to blue directly under Rickson. Then he went to Brasil. The basic foundations he taught me are still an advantage to this day in my seasoned brown belt days.
Trained a few times with Erik Paulson...I scratched the surface of his knowledge and felt like there was an ocean of it to explore but never got the chance.
Yeah, he's a downright genius. He operated at way too high of a wavelength for me to keep up (I learn very slow). I was like a Sloth trying to learn from a Cheetah. Which is ironic, considering I'm the ~145 lbs guy and he's a giant compared to me! ;)
In terms of teaching leglocks, Zahabi's system of holding without torquing, counting to 3 & if you hadn't escaped then it's counted as a tap, is the safest I've heard of so far. Leglocks are undeniably important in grappling but lest there be a serious grappling discrepancy, are still very risky manoeuvres & often not seen at the highest levels of mma for that reason.
Having started to learn leg locks--specifically heel hooks--I personally think that its a massively oversimplification to say that "you don't feel pain (from a heel hook) until you tear up your knee." While its most definitely true that a heel hook doesn't "hurt" in the same way that an armbar or kimura hurts, I find it HIGHLY uncomfortable and I'm HIGHLY uneasy about it. You can definitely feel a lot of awkward pressure in your knee when someone does a heel hook properly vs improperly, and personally I think that this idea that a heel hook doesn't hurt until it breaks causes people to be more cautious than necessary and then people end up not actually learning the proper positions. As a result people think they can escape when they actually can't. Genuinely, I don't understand how people see leg locks as more dangerous than any other joint lock. All of these joint locks are intended to maim the opponent, and this idea that leg locks are "more dangerous" (in my opinion) undermines the seriousness of joint locks that don't attack the leg.
That’s exactly how I train. If I hold it for a couple seconds I know I got it and let go. I never apply pressure. We just continue rolling. That being said I tap earlier than most when it comes to leg locks. Hard to be a firefighter with one good knee.
@@thekitchen6378 it's what got me out of professional fighting a decade ago: being bendy I used to fight my way out of a lot of these leglocks, but then a couple of knee scares 6 months apart, including an MRI made me decide to quit while I was ahead. It's all great being under lights, but I want to be like my dad: still very fast & nearly 60, not beaten half to death & always in pain like a lot of retired fighers.
@@thekitchen6378 "If I hold it for a couple seconds I know I got it and let go. I never apply pressure. We just continue rolling." Do you do the same for kimura's and armbars? It's a genuine question, and I'm not trying to be rude. No one wants to hurt their training partners, but to some extent I sympathize with the idea that if we don't actually apply submissions then we're robbing our training partners of the opportunity to realize when they can actually fight out of it and when they can't. In other words, you might not care that much about a competition and will tap early and lose the match, but can you say that about all of your training partners? Can you honestly say that by not applying at least a small amount of pressure (not ACL tearing pressure) to a heel hook so that they will tap that you aren't aiding in a potential injury they receive in a match from a false sense of confidence to escape from a position that they have convinced themselves they can escape from? Sorry for the run on sentence, but I genuinely think there's a balance to achieve here, and I'm genuinely interested in the real reason why people are ok applying arm bars but not heel hooks, because I would imagine that it's hard to be a firefighter with only one arm as well. Again, not trying to be rude or confrontational. This is an issue that I'm genuinely grappling with myself.
@@insidetrip101 Yes. The only subs. I go hard on are chokes and triangles. IMO Kimura is more dangerous than leglocks. I’ve seen guys get hurt more from Kimura for sure.
Rickson is the embodiment of Hélio Gracie's Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Great to know that he heard of Satoro Sayama (tigermask) that inspired the character Ramon from KOF 2002. Leglocks existed in Kodokan Judo that Conde Koma teached the Gracies, so the Fadda's knew it too. But the technique was overlook throughout the history because the Gracies used to talk down on it.
Guilherme Caiado- Your English is very good, but it’s not your native language, right? Just to help you learn, there are a few errors in your comment. Conde Koma taught the Gracies, not “teached”. Not a word in English. I know it’s a difficult language because some verbs conjugate differently than others. “Reached” is a proper word, but “teached” is not.
I love Rickson Gracies opinion on Bruce Lee, he said it in another interview. "Everything Bruce Lee said was the true essence of martial arts and his philosophy about fighting was 100% correct."
They're stuck in the past. Remember when Rener was selling Gracie Torrance as "the real Jiu-Jitsu"? Like anything that's slightly different from what Helio was doing in the 1960s is watered down.
well, perhaps they(the Gracies) believe in what they trained , but the evolution of jiujitsu is a really concrete proof that The Gracies could be really good at Jiujitsu in their times , not now, but having said that , Rickson Gracie is still a legend of the Art
Yeah they’re just dangerous Af. In fact, I’m nursing an injury right now. Hopefully it’s not terrible but definitely a LCL injury for me. Unless you drill these religiously and have good training partners. I don’t think leg locks should be used at any level at the gym
people don't realize this, but back in the 70's and 80's, those japanese pro wrestlers, at least some of them, those from the old school, were probably the thoughest MFers outside of brazil no BS. Thats where sayama and that whole "shoot style" pro wrestling was born. All these Inoki Genome, UWF, UWFi were mostly worked, but they presented it in a realistic shoot fashion. And a bunch of pro wrestlers from that era would actually end up fighting like real MMA matches too. Inoki was the first one i think who wanted to totally re-invent pro wrestling and blur the lines between MMA and Wrestling.
American MMA, particularly the UFC, is based on Vale Tudo, which were real fights that got more and more marketed to the public until it became a paid sport. Japanese MMA, particularly things like PRIDE FC, is based on Antonio Inoki, which was entertainment fighting that got more and more real over time.
We were only allowed to use leg locks from Blue Belt onwards. Even then no heel hooks or knee bars until a higher belt, which was fine by me as leglocks are dangerous. When I moved abroad for work and joined a new club, the trainer there allowed white belts of any levels to go for leglocks. The result was that not many tried to pass guard and there were so many white belt injuries!
Gracie jiujitsu is more traditional and has factions that have evolved over the years to be combine more moves and styles to be complete grapplers. I’ve trained in Canada, colombia, and Brazil for years and Brazil is the only place I’ve trained where it’s more gi-focused and almost no one practices leglocks besides Achilles locks and sometimes toe holds and kneebars for higher belts
the evolution of jiujitsu is a really concrete proof that The Gracies could be really good at Jiujitsu in their times , not now, but having said that , Rickson Gracie is still a legend of the Art.
Gracie jiu jitsu is more a form of fundamentals which are the most essential for all of bjj, and gjj is more a form for self defense fighting. So a sport bjj guy on average is gonna have better fancy jiu jitsu but not as much fundamental fighting. Different styles.
@@henkmaritz007 Roger comes from the Carlos side (along with Renzo and the Gracie Barra guys). The Helio side (Rener, Rorion, etc.) seems to be a bit stuck in the mud.
Hi guys I can give my historical perspective on leg-locks. I first did BJJ in 1993 and I don't remember people booing but generally leg-locks were considered a "cheap" way to win because they did not require passing the guard and did not emphasize position over submission. In essence, it was considered the realm of lesser opponents. Leglocks were also not common because BJJ came from old Judo which had a few leglocks, especially in self-defence moves, but they were not emphasised in grappling/randori beyond simple ankle locks. Having I can give 2 examples of this attitude. In 1996 I was grappling at a club and put someone in a basic old-school knee compression that I had actually learned from Judo in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Someone said "what the hell are you doing, that's cheating". I then realized that no one, including the instructor had even seen that basic move. The next example is from about 1997 where I saw a pretty good advanced-for-the-time grappler get submitted by a knee-bar in a tournament (I might be wrong on the exact year) by a white belt and after all the guys were calling the whitebelt a "dirty cheat", etc. The attitude was there that the guy used the leglock only used it because he couldn't really grapple and so had to resort to a cheap move. Also, we cannot forget that earlier on, BJJ was deeply tied to fighting - indeed, that is why I started in it. Leglocks were considered to place on in an inferior position when considering striking. I also think gi-based BJJ really didn't develop leglocks so few practiced them. I also think they were considered cheap in order to avoid Samboists and similar stylists from coming into BJJ tournaments and winning. But the Gracies all knew leglocks, albeit basic locks, but rarely used them early on. They knew the same basic locks (ankle, heel hook) that were demonsrated in early Judo, but rarely used. But there were a couple of BJJ guys that were heavily into Sambo leglocks by mid-1990s. But then it was style against style and school vs. school, and many BJJ instructors frowned on this sort of cross training stuff. Then there is the time a sambo guy visited the Gracie Academy....
Very thorough, thank you. The whole "that's cheating" mentality really comes down to something ingrained over time. I'm more of a "Why avoid using 50% of your body?" thinking. My opinion on it is that I don't mind leglocks with an attentive instructor in a smaller class. I also avoid any leglocks with people who I've observed have a tendency to spazz out, the risk of injury increases. Just play it safe when training and build from there, it's like anything else, just like when you box or kickbox with someone with an ego and after you hit their nose with a couple of weak but well placed jabs they make a mean expression and come back at you throwing hooks at 100%.
Awesome insight. Thank you so much! I got into jiu jitsu pretty late compared to you (2015, no-gi only), and I still felt some of that "leg lock discrimination" going on around the community, but to a lesser extend.
Good post. With the Gi on, when you lay back with an Ashi Garami, it's hard to get separation from your opponent and easy for them to pull themselves on top. So in addition to rule-sets banning Heel Hooks, the usual Ankle-Lock entry might have been seen as something that only worked against a sleeping opponent. It makes sense why 50/50 became the Leg Entanglement position of choice for Gi players in the 2010's. It was also very cool to see Gordon Ryan adapt the Kani Basami / Inside Sankaku for IBJJF and have success with it.
Also should be noted the innovation of Dean Lister with regard to leg attacks. I think even Danaher had referenced Dean years ago, who had asked John "why limit your training to just the upper half of the human body", or something along those lines.
I train at a BJJ gym where my instructor is a Dean Lister black belt (Victor at The Darkside). I train there specifically for the leg locks and how important it is to defend against them. My instructor told us, “No Submission is worth getting submitted” when defending legs
Anyone who thinks that Royce would beat Rickson ,check out the audio book called Breathe.... Rickson was Royce's older brother ....He trained him for the UFC..Royce couldn't come close to beating him ..None of the Gracies could.. Rickson tells the entire history of Gracie Jiujitsu
beat at what exactly? bjj gyms & family often have hierarchy. the little brother can let older brother be that guy, but Royce won no rules UFC against heavyweights. He didn't just happens to know bjj, he had fights he won by grabbing hair and punching a 250lbs heavyweight wrestler to a tko, so I wouldn't assume Rickson could beat him in a UFC fight
Check out the audio book or hard covet called ,Breathe... Rickson Gracie tells the entire family history ....Ricksom is the family Champion ....He use to go all over the world and challenge, and be challenged by the best fighters from all over the world...These were no holds barred fights....Rickson beat them all with the Gracie combat jujitsu...Royce has only ever fought ufc ....They ,the Gracies ,created Pride fighting in Japan ,and Ufc in the U S because of Rickson Gracie .... Check out the audio book...It's 8 hours long, but we'll worth it ...
Yeah I agree with you people talk about Roger being the best Gracie ever but comparing him to Rickson is like comparing apples to oranges. Rickson was smashing everyone in every weight with no rules. Roger was a master sport fighter. Rickson would batter them all.
That’s how you know he is a legend he saw what they were doing in Japan and instead of dismissing it or calling it cheap like his family did back in the day; he took it and added to his game; he didn’t care where it came from or if it contradicted his disciple he saw something someone else was doing, realized the potential and began implementing it
old History. Fada was another guy in brazil who was taught by Maeda. He didn’t shy away from leglocks and taught many students. He was criticized by the gracies for this as being cheap and provincial. Danaher, Lister didn’t invent or rediscover anything. Just brought it to the masses. Nogi was huge in promulgating it
The leglocks taught then came straight from old judo and luta livre and were very basic compared to what danaher teaches now.Its even way beyond what renzo learned in Brazil which was very light on leglocks.Danaher indeed created something new in addition to borrowing from sambo.
I'm really curious what Rickson would say about Gordon Ryan & his jujitsu after he just easily beat Rodriguez & Galvao on the same night (September of 2022).
Yes in the early 90s, if you tried leg lock or knee lock, people booed at tournaments. Specially in Rio de Janeiro. Jiu-Jitsu was very territorial in Rio. People who tried this kind of submission back n the days, we called "suburbanos". AKA people from low income areas of Rio. Most of the Jiu-Jitsu legends, including Rickson, came from "Zona Sul". "South zone", where people with higher income lived and most of Jiu-Jitsu academies where located. It was something very low thing to do in a fight.
leg locks were taboo for several reasons, 1) easy to injure your opponent, even accidentally, same reason small joint manipulation is banned, 2) in a real fight if you hold on to a guys leg, you get punched in the face, so BJJ has traditionally focused on body control.
They got banned because the Gracie’s got spanked by the Luta Livre guys line 90 years ago, almost a clean sweep. That’s why Helio called leg locks “suburban technique,” luta livre was for the poor and no gi since they couldn’t afford them. There are entanglements in which you can get hit in the face, but there are also ones it’s hard to get anything significant off from. There’s a video of a guy fighting in an indoor basketball court who has the guy who tried to sucker punch him seated in 50/50 and the guy was stuck helpless unable to reach him to hit him when the jits guy said “go ahead homeboy, I’ll break your leg, you’ll never play basketball again”
@@ongobongo8333 they should allow finger holds and eye gouging too then i guess. these bjj cowards... good thing we have such a courageous keyboard hero like you.
@@thedopesickshowThe Americans taught a lot of wrong shit about history, which today is difficult even to reverse the damage among Brazilians, imagine the world... Luta Livre in Brazil it just meant FIGHT WITHOUT GI.It's a very complex term that means MANY THINGS... The most common thing in Luta Livre was two Jiujitsu fighters fighting without a gi...at the same event, the Gracie Academy participates in Jiujitsu fights and luta livre with your students... But wrestling was also a term used AFTER to refer to Catch Wrestlers, after Catch became associated with fake fights...it was also the name of the no-gi fights in Vale Tudo without a closed hand punch, it was called Luta Livre Americana, and from kimono the same thing was called TAPARIA...It was also what was called freestyle wrestling and Greco Roman wrestler... Some Vale Tudo fighters defined themselves that way too... the Japanese demanded that one wear a kimono most of the time they fought, hence the term luta livre when he didn't need to wear a gi, and ends up being associated with almost everything no-gi... including no-gi Jiujitsu... There was a TRIBE, descendants of TATU, who were catch Wrestlers until the 80's, but after fighting the Gracie and even seeing Marco Ruas tying with the Gracie using Guarda, migrated TOTALLY TO NO-GI JIUJITSU... there's nothing left of Catch... In 1981 if my memory serves me right, it was Catch, focused on takedowns and Wrestler, leglocks, serval twist, guillotine and Americana, they didn't use a guard, they didn't have a sweep,They didn't have an armlock, positional game...at the end of the same decade they were already JUST LIKE JIUJITSU, but they didn't train in the gi...it was a sweep game, positional, armlock and RNC was the main one, taking the back, the difference that remained is that they focused more on leglocks, they had a simpler game, because they had just acculturated,they focused more on strength, takedowns... at the time neither of them had the culture of pulling guard, this comes in the following decade in JJ, in LL it continues without... Most of the time you hear wrestling, it just means that it's no-gi, then you have to analyze the context to find out if it's catch, Jiujitsu, wrestler, MMA, etc...
Master Rickson is correct. Leg locks are effective and can be devastating submission holds. The main issue is that you have no control of the persons hands whilst you're in a position like ashi-garami or whatever, which isn't much of an issue in a pure grappling sense, but as soon as punches become factored in, you are at a huge risk in those positions such as 50/50 or ashi. I know this first hand as someone who got a purple belt first, THEN tried MMA. As soon as I tried to slide into a leg entanglement position, you're guarenteed to take hard shots from people other than complete beginners.
Depends on how good your leg lock game is. Garry Tonon is having insane success in MMA. If you have a phenomenal Ashi game, you can position yourself far outside of striking distance
@@eamonshields2754 MMA is unpredictable and evolves daily. Leg lock game might be good today but tomorrow it’s figured out. He might be on to something for now, I guess time will tell to see how good his leg game truly is.
@@JohnnyJitsu11 Yes, and again, same thing can be said for calf kicks. Very popular in the last couple years, some people have evolved and are getting better at defending them
If they are dangerous it also means they are effective. Train them but make sure you understand cautionary details and then take care of each other in training.
5:00 - Rickson's explanation on the difference between arm locks vs. leg locks here, is why people get so freaked out about leg locks when rolling, lol. However, main thing is - as long as your school has a general safety understanding around leg locks/healthy culture of understanding when it comes to leg locks, you'll be safe.
What's dangerous about leglocks is you can't expect everyone to have restraint. The leg locker's body turns 2 inches, and there's already a tear or permanent damage. You can't always expect everyone to tap on time. You have Palahares wannabe's out there who'll wreck your knee for a medal and a selfie (there's a few in our fb group). What's worse is not everyone has good health coverage. And it's not like you win millions of dollars on tournaments.
Absolutely. For this reason in my gym they don't want anyone doing it until they are purple belts, just because by that point, in theory you're submitting with control. I support this, especially in a big gym where not everyone is there to be a fighter or do competitions, a lot of guys/girls are just living their lives and train a couple of days a week and cant afford a torn ACL
Tbh that's one of the reasons I train mostly gi. I have found it less risky than no gi. Without belts, there's no way of knowing what to expect with a new training partner. And there are much greater opportunities for control in the gi.
@@Ybby999 been unstable for years, effectively ending my athletic career. It's been 3 years and I just hurt my medial meniscus because I got no acl. I'll have surgery in a few months and then a very long road to recovery. I pray I'll be and to return to sports
The Brazilians saw leg locks in Brazilian Catch Wrestling (Luta Livre) and saw them via Ivan Gomes who was a Judoka and Catch Wrestler. Sambo learned their leg lock game from Catch Wrestling. Sambo is literally CaCC plus Judo.
The danger the more popular BJJ becomes the more schools pop up the quality of teaching may diminish 🚨 these sorts of injuries will become more and more common
Rickson seems a bit silent about the fact that leglocks were seen as a peasant move back in brazil. The infamous non-gracie lineage of bjj used it a lot, most notably fadda and his students. Fadda taught to the poor people who didnt have any money to train and they liked leglocks, I think It was the helio who didnt like the leglocks since not only it was taught by the fadda lineage and they had a big rivalary (which fadda and his students won) but it also looked kinda dirty.
Oswaldo Fadda was ridiculed by Helio because he utilized leglocks. Carlson was pro leg locks and so was Rolles. Leg locks have been used in Catch Wrestling for almost a Century. Rickson and the rest of them forbid Erik to compete in the UFC btw. Erik talks about how they turned their backs on him and unwelcomed him to train. Rickson and the others are money grabbing hypocrites. Thats why I'm proud to have Fadda and Carlson lineage.
TH-cam is filled with people who deny reality, fact, your own experiences, don't feed the trolls. These things are dangerous , just like they said in the video....
In 1994 I studied log locks from a Sambo student before I studied Gracie Jiu-jitsu and Judo. No one would let me use them in the Dojo! The BJJ black belts hated and feared them! He's right though it was an easy win back then on everyone- only after not using them did my technique get better! It was nice to see the fear in the instructors eyes and voice. Now that I'm an older man with multiple lower joint issues I see the danger in them- but they WORK! And you'll hear a 'pop' before you'll tap.
It was around 1990 that I started training with Larry Hartsell and at that time he was heavily vested in training and teaching the leg lock game. He empathized everything, from footlocks, heelhooks, kneebars, those were great times! I didn't have a grasp of what we were doing exactly for awhile because that was my introduction to the ground game as well. I stuck with it, kept learning and about 1996 or slightly later, I started teaching a group of people in my garage. A short while later I introduced them to the leg lock game and it absolutely terrified some of them at the beginning! But slowly they all became super aclimated to the game to the point that my students struck fear in the neighboring BJJ schools. Soon my students and my place had developed the reputation for having the best leg lock game in the whole region. Suffice it to say, we never had any injuries iny garage days, the more they trained the better they recognized when an impending injury could happen. So, they got very good at noticing when not to push too far.
I always think about what I would rather lose, a leg or an arm. It's got to be the legs, it would change so much more to have no hands. The most dangerous thing in bjj and all other wrestling sports is when people fall on top of each other.
It's funny that Rickson here is talking about Erik Paulson being his good friend. Maybe they are now, but I used to train under Erik (likely 6 or 7 years ago) & when I asked him how he ended up with Rigan Machado (since Erik had started with Gracie's), he said that Rickson refused to train Erik to even be in a TOURNAMENT with another Gracie. Note: not AGAINST a Gracie, but with even the "possibility" of going against one. This was early days, so maybe it was Renzo he was referring to, but I can't recall. So Erik paid and trained under Rickson, and he refused to train him. That's when Erik left and started training with Rigan.
I'd think if you just save the leg lock game for the blue-purple belt transition, it should be safe enough to do in practice. White belts are too erratic to be trusted with leg-lock techniques.
according to my bjj teacher the cheapest move is the toehold, cus if you dont know how to defend against or see it coming, he could do it all day....then just to prove a point he toeholded like half the class lol.
Rickson talks about Erik Paulson . I trained with Erik and Dennis Blue in a garage on Saturdays in California. They were at the time Jeet Kune Do practitioners. We were training one time and I worked with Erik and hurt I think was his shoulder. The garage got pretty quiet.my jv wrestling in high-school helped me. Shortly after I took one of Erik's classes at college of the desert in I think palm desert . I asked him a question about a move and he said just don't bench press it . He trained with the Gracies after that and became an awesome ju jitsu fighter. Like to think I helped!! 🤣 that was like 30 years ago and Erik was always a great guy!
The figure 4 leglock is the winner everytime, only true masters know this deadly technique. Grandmaster rick (the nature boy) flair is a true legend of the figure 4 leglock that Mr gracie and Mr rogan are discussing.
Gordon Ryan vs Craig Jones is a perfect example of two leg lock experts not trying much leg locks against each other. It's also boring af to watch two guys in 50/50 playing with each other's feet. Edit: lol the second i continued watching Joe mentions Craig.
That example of bending your finger sideways vs forward/back is the clearest explanation the difference of leglocks to other subs that I've ever heard. Thanks to grandmaster Rickson for that.
The majority of leglocks are not designed to force the ligaments sideways, most of them act like regular subs, and there are the exceptions: the toe hold variations (classic toe hold, outside heel hook, estima lock), the inverted heel hook, the reaping motion / judo's ashi garami etc.
That's literally every single joint lock.
@@Andy_Classic almost
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR The person is saying that the explanation shows quite clearly how some holds can not hurt until after something catastrophic happens, not that every leglock bends your knee exactly the same way.
The question is which one is better broken or torn?
Not sure why people are saying Rickson is trashing leg locks. He’s not trashing them at all. He’s saying that they are indeed dangerous and you definitely need to know how to deal with them.
Yeah, I'm almost wondering whether some people listened to the interview first, or just started to comment outright...
Very valid comment. I don't think he was really trashing on them here. He did kind of dismiss that people got boo'd and thought them dirty (they most certainly did), but they are most definitely dangerous. I'd always get very nervous when someone would start working heel and ankles -- mostly because I never got fully comfortable with them (ignorance)...but I've definitely seen people get really hurt.
Rickson pulling Ashi Garami to Ankle Lock in 1997 (before it was cool):
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Yeshua Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect
@@johnb4467 Yeshua Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect
Ken Shamrock was submitting guys with leglocks long before UFC was televised. Leg locks were taught in prewar Kodokan Judo and Russian Sambo. Also in old school American hook wrestling/catch wrestling during Farmer Burns era. The IJF banned leg locks in competition for safety reasons. To prevent life changing knee injuries.
I think Kano got rid of them long before the IJF existed. Leg locks are used in competitions all over the world and they generally are no more dangerous than throws or chokes. People are NOT getting crippled left and right.
Anyone who's had a knee wrecked from a leg lock, has a very different opinion on whether locks that can wreck your joints should be involved in anything called "sport."
I've got nothing but damn trouble from my right knee. In fact I can hardly walk some days it's so arthritic now and it all started from leg lock.
@@zigzzagz5732 I don't been to be a critic, I sympathize with your pain. How much stretching have you been doing? Stretching every single day for the rest of your life might sound like a lot when you begin, you get used to it though and when you hear your knee pop in a positive way for the first time it's an emotional break through.
@@ziggybender9125 You can't stretch out arthritis. Keeping up movement helps, and distraction of the joint might help but stretching won't.
@@Pentagathusosaurus See the problem is people don't know the important stretches so fail to see really good results. I'm talking about stretching to the point where ALL your joints and bones will start to shift into better alignment eliminating the arthritis almost completely eventually. I know people who do yoga for years and fail to get the results I'm talking about, I fixed my duck walk feet, my bowed knees, my lower back pain, my shoulders misalignment that dates back to my birth probably, my neck stiffness. I've felt my bones move in ways that would probably make some people pass out in fear they just ruined themselves, but it's always positive results. Align your chakra's is symbology to stretch to the point your spine can be perfectly aligned along with the rest of your body, people miss that point and focus on stupid breathing and meditation techniques that don't fix anything.
I’m blessed! Went from day one, brand new white belt to blue directly under Rickson. Then he went to Brasil. The basic foundations he taught me are still an advantage to this day in my seasoned brown belt days.
Rickson is a true grandmaster of the art- he understands both in breadth and depth and explains it simply.
He talks a good game. Talks a lot of shit too. Guess that's why he's on Joe rogan the master of bs
Yeshua Christ is the truth reach out, nothing but respect
Rickson mentioning Tiger Mask. I love this timeline.
Trained a few times with Erik Paulson...I scratched the surface of his knowledge and felt like there was an ocean of it to explore but never got the chance.
Yeah, he's a downright genius. He operated at way too high of a wavelength for me to keep up (I learn very slow). I was like a Sloth trying to learn from a Cheetah. Which is ironic, considering I'm the ~145 lbs guy and he's a giant compared to me! ;)
In terms of teaching leglocks, Zahabi's system of holding without torquing, counting to 3 & if you hadn't escaped then it's counted as a tap, is the safest I've heard of so far.
Leglocks are undeniably important in grappling but lest there be a serious grappling discrepancy, are still very risky manoeuvres & often not seen at the highest levels of mma for that reason.
Having started to learn leg locks--specifically heel hooks--I personally think that its a massively oversimplification to say that "you don't feel pain (from a heel hook) until you tear up your knee." While its most definitely true that a heel hook doesn't "hurt" in the same way that an armbar or kimura hurts, I find it HIGHLY uncomfortable and I'm HIGHLY uneasy about it. You can definitely feel a lot of awkward pressure in your knee when someone does a heel hook properly vs improperly, and personally I think that this idea that a heel hook doesn't hurt until it breaks causes people to be more cautious than necessary and then people end up not actually learning the proper positions. As a result people think they can escape when they actually can't.
Genuinely, I don't understand how people see leg locks as more dangerous than any other joint lock. All of these joint locks are intended to maim the opponent, and this idea that leg locks are "more dangerous" (in my opinion) undermines the seriousness of joint locks that don't attack the leg.
That’s exactly how I train. If I hold it for a couple seconds I know I got it and let go. I never apply pressure. We just continue rolling. That being said I tap earlier than most when it comes to leg locks. Hard to be a firefighter with one good knee.
@@thekitchen6378 it's what got me out of professional fighting a decade ago: being bendy I used to fight my way out of a lot of these leglocks, but then a couple of knee scares 6 months apart, including an MRI made me decide to quit while I was ahead.
It's all great being under lights, but I want to be like my dad: still very fast & nearly 60, not beaten half to death & always in pain like a lot of retired fighers.
@@thekitchen6378 "If I hold it for a couple seconds I know I got it and let go. I never apply pressure. We just continue rolling."
Do you do the same for kimura's and armbars? It's a genuine question, and I'm not trying to be rude. No one wants to hurt their training partners, but to some extent I sympathize with the idea that if we don't actually apply submissions then we're robbing our training partners of the opportunity to realize when they can actually fight out of it and when they can't.
In other words, you might not care that much about a competition and will tap early and lose the match, but can you say that about all of your training partners? Can you honestly say that by not applying at least a small amount of pressure (not ACL tearing pressure) to a heel hook so that they will tap that you aren't aiding in a potential injury they receive in a match from a false sense of confidence to escape from a position that they have convinced themselves they can escape from?
Sorry for the run on sentence, but I genuinely think there's a balance to achieve here, and I'm genuinely interested in the real reason why people are ok applying arm bars but not heel hooks, because I would imagine that it's hard to be a firefighter with only one arm as well. Again, not trying to be rude or confrontational. This is an issue that I'm genuinely grappling with myself.
@@insidetrip101 Yes. The only subs. I go hard on are chokes and triangles. IMO Kimura is more dangerous than leglocks. I’ve seen guys get hurt more from Kimura for sure.
Nice Job Joe. You really have a gift of being able to break things down into their core components.
stop kissing his ass. he's ok, but extremely biased in almost every topic.
“If you are aware of leg locks they won’t work”
*Gordon Ryan has entered the chat*
Rickson is the embodiment of Hélio Gracie's Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Great to know that he heard of Satoro Sayama (tigermask) that inspired the character Ramon from KOF 2002.
Leglocks existed in Kodokan Judo that Conde Koma teached the Gracies, so the Fadda's knew it too.
But the technique was overlook throughout the history because the Gracies used to talk down on it.
Rickson studied and competed in Freestyle wrestling,Greco-roman wrestling,Judo and Sambo and has a black belt in Judo and sambo.
Guilherme Caiado- Your English is very good, but it’s not your native language, right? Just to help you learn, there are a few errors in your comment. Conde Koma taught the Gracies, not “teached”. Not a word in English. I know it’s a difficult language because some verbs conjugate differently than others. “Reached” is a proper word, but “teached” is not.
@@Whitehorse40 Its quite rare to someone corrects another person kindly.
Rickson pulling Ashi Garami to Ankle Lock in 1997 (before it was cool):
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Brazilian love KOF franchise. ❤️❤️❤️
I love Rickson Gracies opinion on Bruce Lee, he said it in another interview. "Everything Bruce Lee said was the true essence of martial arts and his philosophy about fighting was 100% correct."
Riskson is the man, but it seems that most Brazilian background gyms don’t teach leg locks and aren’t fans of them.
most gyms don't teach it because its dangerous, beginners won't recognize them and won't tap until their leg almost is snapping
@@endeavor44 You wanna talk dangerous? Chokes can literally kill people. I learned heel hooks day 4 as a white belt and everyone was just fine.
They're stuck in the past. Remember when Rener was selling Gracie Torrance as "the real Jiu-Jitsu"? Like anything that's slightly different from what Helio was doing in the 1960s is watered down.
well, perhaps they(the Gracies) believe in what they trained , but the evolution of jiujitsu is a really concrete proof that The Gracies could be really good at Jiujitsu in their times , not now, but having said that , Rickson Gracie is still a legend of the Art
Yeah they’re just dangerous Af. In fact, I’m nursing an injury right now. Hopefully it’s not terrible but definitely a LCL injury for me. Unless you drill these religiously and have good training partners. I don’t think leg locks should be used at any level at the gym
people don't realize this, but back in the 70's and 80's, those japanese pro wrestlers, at least some of them, those from the old school, were probably the thoughest MFers outside of brazil no BS. Thats where sayama and that whole "shoot style" pro wrestling was born. All these Inoki Genome, UWF, UWFi were mostly worked, but they presented it in a realistic shoot fashion. And a bunch of pro wrestlers from that era would actually end up fighting like real MMA matches too. Inoki was the first one i think who wanted to totally re-invent pro wrestling and blur the lines between MMA and Wrestling.
American MMA, particularly the UFC, is based on Vale Tudo, which were real fights that got more and more marketed to the public until it became a paid sport. Japanese MMA, particularly things like PRIDE FC, is based on Antonio Inoki, which was entertainment fighting that got more and more real over time.
We were only allowed to use leg locks from Blue Belt onwards. Even then no heel hooks or knee bars until a higher belt, which was fine by me as leglocks are dangerous. When I moved abroad for work and joined a new club, the trainer there allowed white belts of any levels to go for leglocks. The result was that not many tried to pass guard and there were so many white belt injuries!
Gracie jiujitsu is more traditional and has factions that have evolved over the years to be combine more moves and styles to be complete grapplers. I’ve trained in Canada, colombia, and Brazil for years and Brazil is the only place I’ve trained where it’s more gi-focused and almost no one practices leglocks besides Achilles locks and sometimes toe holds and kneebars for higher belts
the evolution of jiujitsu is a really concrete proof that The Gracies could be really good at Jiujitsu in their times , not now, but having said that , Rickson Gracie is still a legend of the Art.
@@tdhh1676 Roger beat the best, and years after he actively competed.
Brazil is a huge country...
Gracie jiu jitsu is more a form of fundamentals which are the most essential for all of bjj, and gjj is more a form for self defense fighting.
So a sport bjj guy on average is gonna have better fancy jiu jitsu but not as much fundamental fighting. Different styles.
@@henkmaritz007 Roger comes from the Carlos side (along with Renzo and the Gracie Barra guys). The Helio side (Rener, Rorion, etc.) seems to be a bit stuck in the mud.
The analogy of bending your finger in comparison to the knee is beautiful. Almost an exact like for like that is instantly understandable...
Every time Master Gracie supinates that left hand, you can’t help but notice that bicep.
Hi guys I can give my historical perspective on leg-locks. I first did BJJ in 1993 and I don't remember people booing but generally leg-locks were considered a "cheap" way to win because they did not require passing the guard and did not emphasize position over submission. In essence, it was considered the realm of lesser opponents. Leglocks were also not common because BJJ came from old Judo which had a few leglocks, especially in self-defence moves, but they were not emphasised in grappling/randori beyond simple ankle locks. Having I can give 2 examples of this attitude. In 1996 I was grappling at a club and put someone in a basic old-school knee compression that I had actually learned from Judo in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Someone said "what the hell are you doing, that's cheating". I then realized that no one, including the instructor had even seen that basic move. The next example is from about 1997 where I saw a pretty good advanced-for-the-time grappler get submitted by a knee-bar in a tournament (I might be wrong on the exact year) by a white belt and after all the guys were calling the whitebelt a "dirty cheat", etc. The attitude was there that the guy used the leglock only used it because he couldn't really grapple and so had to resort to a cheap move. Also, we cannot forget that earlier on, BJJ was deeply tied to fighting - indeed, that is why I started in it. Leglocks were considered to place on in an inferior position when considering striking. I also think gi-based BJJ really didn't develop leglocks so few practiced them. I also think they were considered cheap in order to avoid Samboists and similar stylists from coming into BJJ tournaments and winning. But the Gracies all knew leglocks, albeit basic locks, but rarely used them early on. They knew the same basic locks (ankle, heel hook) that were demonsrated in early Judo, but rarely used. But there were a couple of BJJ guys that were heavily into Sambo leglocks by mid-1990s. But then it was style against style and school vs. school, and many BJJ instructors frowned on this sort of cross training stuff. Then there is the time a sambo guy visited the Gracie Academy....
Very thorough, thank you. The whole "that's cheating" mentality really comes down to something ingrained over time. I'm more of a "Why avoid using 50% of your body?" thinking.
My opinion on it is that I don't mind leglocks with an attentive instructor in a smaller class. I also avoid any leglocks with people who I've observed have a tendency to spazz out, the risk of injury increases. Just play it safe when training and build from there, it's like anything else, just like when you box or kickbox with someone with an ego and after you hit their nose with a couple of weak but well placed jabs they make a mean expression and come back at you throwing hooks at 100%.
Awesome insight. Thank you so much!
I got into jiu jitsu pretty late compared to you (2015, no-gi only), and I still felt some of that "leg lock discrimination" going on around the community, but to a lesser extend.
BJJ had a long rivalry with Catch Wrestling/Luta Livre. Catch has a lot of leg locks. So in BJJ, to use leg locks is to use the enemy’s techniques.
more informative than the actual video. thanks man, you're a rare breed
Good post. With the Gi on, when you lay back with an Ashi Garami, it's hard to get separation from your opponent and easy for them to pull themselves on top. So in addition to rule-sets banning Heel Hooks, the usual Ankle-Lock entry might have been seen as something that only worked against a sleeping opponent.
It makes sense why 50/50 became the Leg Entanglement position of choice for Gi players in the 2010's. It was also very cool to see Gordon Ryan adapt the Kani Basami / Inside Sankaku for IBJJF and have success with it.
Also should be noted the innovation of Dean Lister with regard to leg attacks. I think even Danaher had referenced Dean years ago, who had asked John "why limit your training to just the upper half of the human body", or something along those lines.
I think it was "Why would you ignore 50% of the human body?"
lmao no way you dont actually know that overused quote ;)
I train at a BJJ gym where my instructor is a Dean Lister black belt (Victor at The Darkside). I train there specifically for the leg locks and how important it is to defend against them. My instructor told us, “No Submission is worth getting submitted” when defending legs
This is the clearest explanation I have heard about leglocks. Thank you !
When a Master explains, all it takes is simple finger movements for EVERYONE to understand
Hugs from Brasil
Anyone who thinks that Royce would beat Rickson ,check out the audio book called Breathe.... Rickson was Royce's older brother ....He trained him for the UFC..Royce couldn't come close to beating him ..None of the Gracies could..
Rickson tells the entire history of Gracie Jiujitsu
Rickson would go to BJJ schools and let every black belt sink a rear naked choke on him and escape and submit them by RNC.
beat at what exactly? bjj gyms & family often have hierarchy. the little brother can let older brother be that guy, but Royce won no rules UFC against heavyweights. He didn't just happens to know bjj, he had fights he won by grabbing hair and punching a 250lbs heavyweight wrestler to a tko, so I wouldn't assume Rickson could beat him in a UFC fight
@@donttrendonme fair but gracie jou jistu is trained closer to mma jistu so i assume that means rickson was still that much better at jits
Check out the audio book or hard covet called ,Breathe... Rickson Gracie tells the entire family history ....Ricksom is the family Champion ....He use to go all over the world and challenge, and be challenged by the best fighters from all over the world...These were no holds barred fights....Rickson beat them all with the Gracie combat jujitsu...Royce has only ever fought ufc ....They ,the Gracies ,created Pride fighting in Japan ,and Ufc in the U S because of Rickson Gracie ....
Check out the audio book...It's 8 hours long, but we'll worth it ...
Yeah I agree with you people talk about Roger being the best Gracie ever but comparing him to Rickson is like comparing apples to oranges. Rickson was smashing everyone in every weight with no rules. Roger was a master sport fighter. Rickson would batter them all.
That’s how you know he is a legend he saw what they were doing in Japan and instead of dismissing it or calling it cheap like his family did back in the day; he took it and added to his game; he didn’t care where it came from or if it contradicted his disciple he saw something someone else was doing, realized the potential and began implementing it
old History. Fada was another guy in brazil who was taught by Maeda. He didn’t shy away from leglocks and taught many students. He was criticized by the gracies for this as being cheap and provincial. Danaher, Lister didn’t invent or rediscover anything. Just brought it to the masses. Nogi was huge in promulgating it
Fadda was never taught by maeda,his instructor luiz franca was but he also learned from other japanese judoka in brazil.
helio did not criticize fada
@@MMABeijing he criticised everyone who wasnt a Gracie.
The leglocks taught then came straight from old judo and luta livre and were very basic compared to what danaher teaches now.Its even way beyond what renzo learned in Brazil which was very light on leglocks.Danaher indeed created something new in addition to borrowing from sambo.
It’s so Cool he mentions Erik Paulson ❤️
I just found out about Rickson's diagnosis today, and yes, I can see the symptoms in this 12 month old video.
I'm really curious what Rickson would say about Gordon Ryan & his jujitsu after he just easily beat Rodriguez & Galvao on the same night (September of 2022).
Trap & release!!!! That’s how you train leg locks. No ego just play, get the position secured,
Erik Paulson is an OG beast
The bext carioca accent ever mermão
u meant hermao
Not alot of instructors Go In depth like Rickson!! GOAT
Master Rickson knows the leg locks bc his teacher was Rolls Gracie and he loved wrestling and leg locks too.
Eric Paulson is a notable pioneer in the early history of MMA in a number of ways. Not many even know who he is though.
Yes the great Eric Paulson NHB MMA pioneer. He deserves so much respect and Rickson gave it.
Yes in the early 90s, if you tried leg lock or knee lock, people booed at tournaments. Specially in Rio de Janeiro. Jiu-Jitsu was very territorial in Rio. People who tried this kind of submission back n the days, we called "suburbanos". AKA people from low income areas of Rio. Most of the Jiu-Jitsu legends, including Rickson, came from "Zona Sul". "South zone", where people with higher income lived and most of Jiu-Jitsu academies where located. It was something very low thing to do in a fight.
It always impresses me when people have a great vocabulary in their second language.
leg locks were taboo for several reasons, 1) easy to injure your opponent, even accidentally, same reason small joint manipulation is banned, 2) in a real fight if you hold on to a guys leg, you get punched in the face, so BJJ has traditionally focused on body control.
Making leg locks illegal is cowardly
They got banned because the Gracie’s got spanked by the Luta Livre guys line 90 years ago, almost a clean sweep. That’s why Helio called leg locks “suburban technique,” luta livre was for the poor and no gi since they couldn’t afford them. There are entanglements in which you can get hit in the face, but there are also ones it’s hard to get anything significant off from. There’s a video of a guy fighting in an indoor basketball court who has the guy who tried to sucker punch him seated in 50/50 and the guy was stuck helpless unable to reach him to hit him when the jits guy said “go ahead homeboy, I’ll break your leg, you’ll never play basketball again”
@@ongobongo8333 they should allow finger holds and eye gouging too then i guess. these bjj cowards... good thing we have such a courageous keyboard hero like you.
Rousimar Palhares….
@@thedopesickshowThe Americans taught a lot of wrong shit about history, which today is difficult even to reverse the damage among Brazilians, imagine the world...
Luta Livre in Brazil it just meant FIGHT WITHOUT GI.It's a very complex term that means MANY THINGS...
The most common thing in Luta Livre was two Jiujitsu fighters fighting without a gi...at the same event, the Gracie Academy participates in Jiujitsu fights and luta livre with your students...
But wrestling was also a term used AFTER to refer to Catch Wrestlers, after Catch became associated with fake fights...it was also the name of the no-gi fights in Vale Tudo without a closed hand punch, it was called Luta Livre Americana, and from kimono the same thing was called TAPARIA...It was also what was called freestyle wrestling and Greco Roman wrestler...
Some Vale Tudo fighters defined themselves that way too... the Japanese demanded that one wear a kimono most of the time they fought, hence the term luta livre when he didn't need to wear a gi, and ends up being associated with almost everything no-gi... including no-gi Jiujitsu...
There was a TRIBE, descendants of TATU, who were catch Wrestlers until the 80's, but after fighting the Gracie and even seeing Marco Ruas tying with the Gracie using Guarda, migrated TOTALLY TO NO-GI JIUJITSU... there's nothing left of Catch...
In 1981 if my memory serves me right, it was Catch, focused on takedowns and Wrestler, leglocks, serval twist, guillotine and Americana, they didn't use a guard, they didn't have a sweep,They didn't have an armlock, positional game...at the end of the same decade they were already JUST LIKE JIUJITSU, but they didn't train in the gi...it was a sweep game, positional, armlock and RNC was the main one, taking the back, the difference that remained is that they focused more on leglocks, they had a simpler game, because they had just acculturated,they focused more on strength, takedowns... at the time neither of them had the culture of pulling guard, this comes in the following decade in JJ, in LL it continues without...
Most of the time you hear wrestling, it just means that it's no-gi, then you have to analyze the context to find out if it's catch, Jiujitsu, wrestler, MMA, etc...
His name was Eric Paulson
Eric had Bitch Jits (just kidding hes a fuckin legend)
Master Rickson is correct. Leg locks are effective and can be devastating submission holds. The main issue is that you have no control of the persons hands whilst you're in a position like ashi-garami or whatever, which isn't much of an issue in a pure grappling sense, but as soon as punches become factored in, you are at a huge risk in those positions such as 50/50 or ashi. I know this first hand as someone who got a purple belt first, THEN tried MMA. As soon as I tried to slide into a leg entanglement position, you're guarenteed to take hard shots from people other than complete beginners.
Depends on how good your leg lock game is. Garry Tonon is having insane success in MMA. If you have a phenomenal Ashi game, you can position yourself far outside of striking distance
@@eamonshields2754 Just wait till he goes against someone who is clued into the leg lock game, he'll get destroyed.
@@oliverreno4734 you can say the same thing about arm locks and strangles. Plus he doesn’t just use leg locks lmao.
@@eamonshields2754 MMA is unpredictable and evolves daily. Leg lock game might be good today but tomorrow it’s figured out. He might be on to something for now, I guess time will tell to see how good his leg game truly is.
@@JohnnyJitsu11 Yes, and again, same thing can be said for calf kicks. Very popular in the last couple years, some people have evolved and are getting better at defending them
Brilliant insight into the game
Great video 👍🏻 Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
Well, it’s my pleasure
If they are dangerous it also means they are effective. Train them but make sure you understand cautionary details and then take care of each other in training.
I would love to see Mr. Rogan interview Gokor Chivichyan.
Brilliant analogy with the finger bending sideways…
Rickson The King
Rickson is still the best ever. He's so deep in the know.
the finger example Rickson gave was great
This video is a class
I've never seen a breath routine posted on TH-cam when supposedly so beneficial.
5:00 - Rickson's explanation on the difference between arm locks vs. leg locks here, is why people get so freaked out about leg locks when rolling, lol.
However, main thing is - as long as your school has a general safety understanding around leg locks/healthy culture of understanding when it comes to leg locks, you'll be safe.
Still way more likely to be injured by someone jumping guard
That is what happened to Garry Tonon again Ruotolo. He was searching the legs and got choked.
What's dangerous about leglocks is you can't expect everyone to have restraint. The leg locker's body turns 2 inches, and there's already a tear or permanent damage. You can't always expect everyone to tap on time. You have Palahares wannabe's out there who'll wreck your knee for a medal and a selfie (there's a few in our fb group). What's worse is not everyone has good health coverage. And it's not like you win millions of dollars on tournaments.
Absolutely. For this reason in my gym they don't want anyone doing it until they are purple belts, just because by that point, in theory you're submitting with control. I support this, especially in a big gym where not everyone is there to be a fighter or do competitions, a lot of guys/girls are just living their lives and train a couple of days a week and cant afford a torn ACL
Tbh that's one of the reasons I train mostly gi. I have found it less risky than no gi. Without belts, there's no way of knowing what to expect with a new training partner. And there are much greater opportunities for control in the gi.
As someone who's knee got destroyed from a straight ankle lock, i approve this message
What happened? Are you okay now?
@@Ybby999 been unstable for years, effectively ending my athletic career. It's been 3 years and I just hurt my medial meniscus because I got no acl. I'll have surgery in a few months and then a very long road to recovery. I pray I'll be and to return to sports
Read his breathe book and it was phenomenal!
I wonder if that's where John d got " New Wave " from. Rickson describing the DDS squad
I'm going to spell "start to" as "statue" from now on.
Marco Ruas sent a hug to Rickson.
Want a leg lock clinic? Watch a Ryan Hall fight. That dude is slick
The man himself!
True legend
Check out Rickson's biceps!
The Brazilians saw leg locks in Brazilian Catch Wrestling (Luta Livre) and saw them via Ivan Gomes who was a Judoka and Catch Wrestler. Sambo learned their leg lock game from Catch Wrestling. Sambo is literally CaCC plus Judo.
the difference between these mentioned styles is merely a difference of philosophy
The danger the more popular BJJ becomes the more schools pop up the quality of teaching may diminish 🚨 these sorts of injuries will become more and more common
I’ve seen a lot of DQ in ibjjf due to incorrect placement of feet during Leg locks
Rickson seems a bit silent about the fact that leglocks were seen as a peasant move back in brazil. The infamous non-gracie lineage of bjj used it a lot, most notably fadda and his students. Fadda taught to the poor people who didnt have any money to train and they liked leglocks, I think It was the helio who didnt like the leglocks since not only it was taught by the fadda lineage and they had a big rivalary (which fadda and his students won) but it also looked kinda dirty.
Most likely it's just the fact that there weren't taught them by Maeda.
@@tomtam8789 honestly mate, I doubt maeda even taught carlos. There is a bit of suspicion going on with the lineage of the gracies.
@@tomtam8789 Even IF they were taught by Maeda, they definitely never received the black belt
@@joatanpereira4272 I agree, there is no way they are getting their black belt considering how they never mastered the basic throws of judo.
Oswaldo Fadda was ridiculed by Helio because he utilized leglocks. Carlson was pro leg locks and so was Rolles. Leg locks have been used in Catch Wrestling for almost a Century. Rickson and the rest of them forbid Erik to compete in the UFC btw. Erik talks about how they turned their backs on him and unwelcomed him to train. Rickson and the others are money grabbing hypocrites. Thats why I'm proud to have Fadda and Carlson lineage.
Dont forget Jean Jacque Machado opened Erik Paulson with open arms.
Rickson was a moron to have Erik expelled all because he lost the WCC 1 in 1995.
TH-cam is filled with people who deny reality, fact, your own experiences, don't feed the trolls.
These things are dangerous , just like they said in the video....
In 1994 I studied log locks from a Sambo student before I studied Gracie Jiu-jitsu and Judo. No one would let me use them in the Dojo! The BJJ black belts hated and feared them! He's right though it was an easy win back then on everyone- only after not using them did my technique get better! It was nice to see the fear in the instructors eyes and voice. Now that I'm an older man with multiple lower joint issues I see the danger in them- but they WORK! And you'll hear a 'pop' before you'll tap.
Because the gracies are cowards and frauds
It was around 1990 that I started training with Larry Hartsell and at that time he was heavily vested in training and teaching the leg lock game. He empathized everything, from footlocks, heelhooks, kneebars, those were great times! I didn't have a grasp of what we were doing exactly for awhile because that was my introduction to the ground game as well. I stuck with it, kept learning and about 1996 or slightly later, I started teaching a group of people in my garage. A short while later I introduced them to the leg lock game and it absolutely terrified some of them at the beginning! But slowly they all became super aclimated to the game to the point that my students struck fear in the neighboring BJJ schools. Soon my students and my place had developed the reputation for having the best leg lock game in the whole region. Suffice it to say, we never had any injuries iny garage days, the more they trained the better they recognized when an impending injury could happen. So, they got very good at noticing when not to push too far.
except for Gordon Ryan and Nicky Rod - training partners and the leg lock at abu dhabi 2022
I always think about what I would rather lose, a leg or an arm. It's got to be the legs, it would change so much more to have no hands. The most dangerous thing in bjj and all other wrestling sports is when people fall on top of each other.
It's funny that Rickson here is talking about Erik Paulson being his good friend. Maybe they are now, but I used to train under Erik (likely 6 or 7 years ago) & when I asked him how he ended up with Rigan Machado (since Erik had started with Gracie's), he said that Rickson refused to train Erik to even be in a TOURNAMENT with another Gracie. Note: not AGAINST a Gracie, but with even the "possibility" of going against one. This was early days, so maybe it was Renzo he was referring to, but I can't recall. So Erik paid and trained under Rickson, and he refused to train him. That's when Erik left and started training with Rigan.
Rickson is an absolute legend!!! I used to train at his academy... Wish I would have stayed with it!
Toquinho was nearly banned from mma because of his eager techniques.
I'd think if you just save the leg lock game for the blue-purple belt transition, it should be safe enough to do in practice. White belts are too erratic to be trusted with leg-lock techniques.
Bs
Ultimate master
This is why the scissor takedown was banned in judo…
Small joint manipulation locks.
The master.
Jiu jitsu is turning into fancy Sambo. Said what I said.
That's an interesting comment.
why do you think they stopped leg locks in Judo (well in IJF)
according to my bjj teacher the cheapest move is the toehold, cus if you dont know how to defend against or see it coming, he could do it all day....then just to prove a point he toeholded like half the class lol.
Anyone see the guns on Gracie. What a beast
Leg locks might be the hardest submission to look at for me. Fml
Rickson talks about Erik Paulson . I trained with Erik and Dennis Blue in a garage on Saturdays in California. They were at the time Jeet Kune Do practitioners. We were training one time and I worked with Erik and hurt I think was his shoulder. The garage got pretty quiet.my jv wrestling in high-school helped me. Shortly after I took one of Erik's classes at college of the desert in I think palm desert . I asked him a question about a move and he said just don't bench press it . He trained with the Gracies after that and became an awesome ju jitsu fighter. Like to think I helped!! 🤣 that was like 30 years ago and Erik was always a great guy!
Quick defeat (de feet), legit wordsmith
My knee is fucked from heel hook drills.
Shout out to Erik Paulson and the Catch Wrestling gods in Japan
Why not just have finger holds now? If you can twist someone's finger until it breaks and they tap isn't that a submission?
Shoutout to Tiger Mask Saiyama, those New Japan/All Japan guys were real
The figure 4 leglock is the winner everytime, only true masters know this deadly technique. Grandmaster rick (the nature boy) flair is a true legend of the figure 4 leglock that Mr gracie and Mr rogan are discussing.
Joe rogan: at the beginning if someone tried a leglock he would get booed.
Rickson Gracie: not really...
Joe Rogan: do you know why?
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Lmao i caught that too 😂
lol who's the real grand master?
Salute to Satoru Sayama, the original Tiger Mask 🐯
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Just watch this guy in his prime. He'd easily tie his brothers in a knot. Arguably the greatest in his family's legacy...IMO
Roger and Kron are the greatest in his families legacy by a huge margin.
Leg locks are dangerous because they go from 0-100 in a second
Rogan sounds alot like Jordan Peterson in this video 😂
I thought Fada was the one that pioneered the whole footwork think in BJJ
2:48 Craig Jones🐆🦶🔓🔑
Give a shout-out to Craig Jones
Gordon Ryan vs Craig Jones is a perfect example of two leg lock experts not trying much leg locks against each other. It's also boring af to watch two guys in 50/50 playing with each other's feet. Edit: lol the second i continued watching Joe mentions Craig.
If you want to play the keg lock game then striking should be allowed