@@melhubner1881 I have to reserve judgement because I have listened to, but not yet watched the interview. This is a reminder of how important body language and facial expression can be. If you just listened to the interview, nothing overtly comes across as deceptive or dishonest, to my ear at least. But I trust the opinions of those here who are seeing something in his manner. I thought Gary Graves came across as very genuine and sincere. I'll give more feedback after I've been able to watch, and look at it carefully to see what you and others are describing.
@@Rollin_L I’ll be interested to hear what you think after you’ve watched it? I also agree with you that Gary Graves came over completely genuine in his interview.
Mr. Bailey sure has a decent memory on most things. Seems to lose that memory pretty conveniently. I think he's dug that grave at some point. Maybe when he went to the grave drunk as a teenager. He's covering something.
I had to give this a second look. He gives away a lot. First question you asked. "Where is Billy the Kid buried?" he answers and then smirks suggesting that he is hiding information. He says he doesn't really have any first hand knowledge which means he does. He's says it was based on what his father told him. He later says his father had a sense of humor, and that it was a joke with some MEAT in it. Just like he said, you might dig up Billy and you might dig up somebody else. He told Sheriff Graves, you don't know what you will find down there but we do. They may have found something in that grave.
He is so laid back he reminds me of the fair dinkum Aussie cockies (farmers) nothing seems to get their blazers up , unless your a kangaroo busting down their fence. I understand why Billy isn't on his mind much, we live close by to the air force base and we see a lot of the uniforms around town but we are so used to it its not something we constantly think about anymore. We grew used to it moving into town but it would be even less on our minds if we grew up with it.
I enjoyed Dave's openness and honesty, he understands that retrieving what might or might not be Billy's body to get the impossible 100% DNA match is a fool's errand. What percentage DNA match would be acceptable to BTK enthusiasts?
@@MankindMediaLLC Off hand, I have never heard of a way to predict genetic mutations in the natural world and that a probability prediction is impossible. I'll look around to see if anyone has published a mutation prediction equation, something like (500 tested Markers)(X Generations)((X rate of known mutations (500 tested Markers))/100 = % probability (each person), probably not, I have only studied testing results. What percentage of probability would satisfy you Michael?
@@hiltonmclaurin well for me, I think there's enough evidence to make an informed decision already. That said, I'd be much more interested in what people can be excluded from the conversation via DNA. Is that possible?
@@MankindMediaLLC You have me at a disadvantage since I have never seen any BTK DNA "evidence" and since you didn't answer my question we are in an unproductive circular conversation. Perhaps we can resume when the BTK DNA evidence is released in the future. Take Care and keep up the good work Michael!
"No way of knowing what you had found"? Not sure if Mr. Bailey is giving archaeology and modern forensics due credit. If the city of Fort Sumner, or the state of New Mexico wanted to, the Time Team could have Billy found in 3 days. You could have him identified within a month. Theyre AFRAID to, lest it turns out he's not there, and they lose some of that revenue.
@@MankindMediaLLC what do you mean? Every interview Ive watched so far has mentioned Billy being a source of revenue for Lincoln, FS, as well as Hico. This man said it himself..."they come through, stop, want to see the grave...maybe they spend some money..."
@@MankindMediaLLC Believe me I would. I was reading his body language the whole time. That's why I wanted to see this interview so bad. They dug that grave but I don't think they found anything. Not to say Billy isn't down there but I don't think it's in that exact spot.
Based on my own research I dont believe a thing this man says because he has to much to lose if it is proven that Pat killed the wrong man and Billy did really survive. I believe Billy survived based on Pats own deputy saying "Pat thats not the kid , you killed the wrong man " look it up dont take my word for it.
This guy has skeletons in his closet. Zoom in on him and watch his eyes. He gives off bad vibes. Dont know anything about him, but I can spot a shady person when I see one.
I have a great idea. Why don't you drive to Ft. Sumner and share your opinion of Mayor Bailey to his face. Makes me wonder how many bar fights that you have started.
Mayor sounds like he's gotta little something to hide to me. I just can't imagine he can't recall things that he did in the 1980's. I certainly can. I'm not certain if will ever know the real truth and the actual accounts of that night in July 1881. It's 50/50 chance the kid escaped. It's 50/50 he died that night. And unfortunately, there's no sufficient evidence to prove either way. For those of us who have followed Billy for the majority of our lives, I feel like we will all go to our graves without the real truth ever being known.
As his father said, why did they wait until everyone that saw Billy dead had died before starting all of these silly claims like the huckster Brushy Bill.
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Interesting interview, shame you couldn't interview Mr Graves & Mr Bailey with a lie detector! Might have jogged a few memories 🤔🤠
Don’t think you need a lie detector, his face says it all! He’s definitely hiding something.
Once again Michael a fantastic job and a great video Australia
So interesting, Michael, thank you.
Ready for the Graves interview next!!
Gary Graves? That one is already up for you....just go back a few videos!
@@MankindMediaLLC Blondest morning ever, I know, because I watched it!! 🤣
@@amy.gauthier ;-)
Anyone else get the feeling he isn’t telling the truth and talking to Gary Graves??
Mel, I kinda get the same feeling too.
@@amy.gauthier He literally started sweating at the question! Would love a body language expert to see this tape.
Ditto!...the body language lol
@@melhubner1881 I have to reserve judgement because I have listened to, but not yet watched the interview. This is a reminder of how important body language and facial expression can be. If you just listened to the interview, nothing overtly comes across as deceptive or dishonest, to my ear at least. But I trust the opinions of those here who are seeing something in his manner. I thought Gary Graves came across as very genuine and sincere. I'll give more feedback after I've been able to watch, and look at it carefully to see what you and others are describing.
@@Rollin_L I’ll be interested to hear what you think after you’ve watched it? I also agree with you that Gary Graves came over completely genuine in his interview.
I got the feeling that he was keeping things back that he knew.
Mr. Bailey sure has a decent memory on most things. Seems to lose that memory pretty conveniently. I think he's dug that grave at some point. Maybe when he went to the grave drunk as a teenager. He's covering something.
Remember, never trust a politician!😂😂
I had to give this a second look. He gives away a lot. First question you asked. "Where is Billy the Kid buried?" he answers and then smirks suggesting that he is hiding information. He says he doesn't really have any first hand knowledge which means he does. He's says it was based on what his father told him. He later says his father had a sense of humor, and that it was a joke with some MEAT in it. Just like he said, you might dig up Billy and you might dig up somebody else. He told Sheriff Graves, you don't know what you will find down there but we do. They may have found something in that grave.
I thought it was odd that he said that Billy the Kid wasn't on his mind too much. Other people always say that he's such a big part of Fort Sumner
WOW !
So amazing these interviews. I tend to believe Mr Graves but this man seems genuine and a good man. Such solid good people.
He is so laid back he reminds me of the fair dinkum Aussie cockies (farmers) nothing seems to get their blazers up , unless your a kangaroo busting down their fence. I understand why Billy isn't on his mind much, we live close by to the air force base and we see a lot of the uniforms around town but we are so used to it its not something we constantly think about anymore. We grew used to it moving into town but it would be even less on our minds if we grew up with it.
Interesting interview! He doesn't remember? 🤔Keep digging "Magnum" and you will eventually find gold. ❤🤠
I enjoyed Dave's openness and honesty, he understands that retrieving what might or might not be Billy's body to get the impossible 100% DNA match is a fool's errand. What percentage DNA match would be acceptable to BTK enthusiasts?
I'll turn it around....how much can we possibly get?
@@MankindMediaLLC Off hand, I have never heard of a way to predict genetic mutations in the natural world and that a probability prediction is impossible. I'll look around to see if anyone has published a mutation prediction equation, something like (500 tested Markers)(X Generations)((X rate of known mutations
(500 tested Markers))/100 = % probability (each person), probably not, I have only studied testing results. What percentage of probability would satisfy you Michael?
@@hiltonmclaurin well for me, I think there's enough evidence to make an informed decision already. That said, I'd be much more interested in what people can be excluded from the conversation via DNA. Is that possible?
@@MankindMediaLLC You have me at a disadvantage since I have never seen any BTK DNA "evidence" and since you didn't answer my question we are in an unproductive circular conversation. Perhaps we can resume when the BTK DNA evidence is released in the future. Take Care and keep up the good work Michael!
Great to see a guy in shorts & short sleeves without a big hat !
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"No way of knowing what you had found"?
Not sure if Mr. Bailey is giving archaeology and modern forensics due credit. If the city of Fort Sumner, or the state of New Mexico wanted to, the Time Team could have Billy found in 3 days. You could have him identified within a month. Theyre AFRAID to, lest it turns out he's not there, and they lose some of that revenue.
There’s no revenue.
@@MankindMediaLLC what do you mean? Every interview Ive watched so far has mentioned Billy being a source of revenue for Lincoln, FS, as well as Hico.
This man said it himself..."they come through, stop, want to see the grave...maybe they spend some money..."
so many "tells" that he was hiding something
This man has very Billy-like ear lobes and sloping shoulders...hmmm?
Well Damn. I guess there is no point in digging that grave up.
Wouldn't we like to see it for ourselves though? I would....
@@MankindMediaLLC Believe me I would. I was reading his body language the whole time. That's why I wanted to see this interview so bad. They dug that grave but I don't think they found anything. Not to say Billy isn't down there but I don't think it's in that exact spot.
“Idk if it would be billy that we dig up” lol isn’t that the point of excavating and doing actual research?
Based on my own research I dont believe a thing this man says because he has to much to lose if it is proven that Pat killed the wrong man and Billy did really survive. I believe Billy survived based on Pats own deputy saying "Pat thats not the kid , you killed the wrong man " look it up dont take my word for it.
Look up the next line in the book after that. You’re cherry picking. Garrett killed the kid. Case closed.
This guy has skeletons in his closet. Zoom in on him and watch his eyes. He gives off bad vibes. Dont know anything about him, but I can spot a shady person when I see one.
I have a great idea. Why don't you drive to Ft. Sumner and share your opinion of Mayor Bailey to his face. Makes me wonder how many bar fights that you have started.
This guy was a crooked mayor
Is that fact or your opinion ?
Sorry to say it's a fact
Mayor sounds like he's gotta little something to hide to me. I just can't imagine he can't recall things that he did in the 1980's. I certainly can. I'm not certain if will ever know the real truth and the actual accounts of that night in July 1881. It's 50/50 chance the kid escaped. It's 50/50 he died that night. And unfortunately, there's no sufficient evidence to prove either way. For those of us who have followed Billy for the majority of our lives, I feel like we will all go to our graves without the real truth ever being known.
As his father said, why did they wait until everyone that saw Billy dead had died before starting all of these silly claims like the huckster Brushy Bill.