It seems brushy bill was just trying to make up the billy the kid didn't die by pat Garrett..brushy bill just was an old man that wanted to be known..and great video Michael
I think Bob Dylan said it best when he said "The only thing we knew about Henry Porter was that his name wasn't Henry Porter" (from Brownsville Girl). Peace Friends!
If I was a outlaw back in those days and I was in a town and someone was recorded a census record. Came up to me and asked me about who I was. Do they ask for a photo id to prove who I am. How do they know other that what I tell them. Got any proof I'm lying. How can you Trust records of those times if there is no id cards like today?
@@grifce I had a census taker show up at my door asking questions. He didn't get my ID, but before he got any answers, I had his! He had a surprised look on his face when I called local dispatch to verify him and check for warrants etc.. looking back it's pretty funny.
The town was a Village called Buffalo Gap. If you trace historical land grant maps you will locate 3 grants on Dorr Creek to 3 people with Robert's surname. Brushy said his grandfather settled there in 1835 so Ben's father must have moved his family there to that Territory. To the right of those grants is a tiny grant to J.W. Barlow. Those grants can be found on several land grant maps going from 1837 forward. One in 1858, the year before Brushy Bill was born in 1859. The Barlow land is not that far from the Buffalo Gap lands of the Robert's clan. Just because a place was not incorporated officially until the 1870's does not mean no one lived there. The place eventually got incorporated because of the growth in the region that took place due to migrations and settlement before the place became recognized as a viable town. J.W. Barlow could have been a William Barlow who had a son called Billy. History is only as good as the information that can be found to prove or disprove history. Sometimes just because you cannot find it does not mean it's not there. Also, some people do not look their age. My dad just died at 94. He looked like my brother not my dad and I am 67. No one believed he was in his 90s just like no one believed Brushy Bill. The land grant maps are absolutely records of people in the area. Start tracing the land grant maps and the land owners, then go and read those deeds. You will learn so much about the people by doing that. Also, you will find much more by going directly to the places where the ancestors resided. There is so much more not found by online searches.
Ive been doing some research and the one grant I thought said Barlow actually said J W Barrow. However there were grants applied for, grants withdrawn and grants approved for several Roberts surname family members on the outskirts of Nacogdoches Town limits in Nacogdoches County, TX between 1835 to 1858. The parcels where the Roberts were given grants was called Buffalo Gap and is not the same Buffalo Gap located in Taylor County, TX. The grants were on Dorr Creek and Loco Bayou regions. The land where these grants were located was within the original 7 leagues given to Juan Nepomuceno de la Cerda in the latter 1700s' Eventually the Town of Nacogdoches grew and annexed the Buffalo Gap designation and it all became Nacogdoches. Many of these grants were provided to those individuals or their heirs who fought for the "reduction of Bexar." These records can be viewed online. In one record I found Benjamin Roberts where he applied for lands then the application was withdrawn...reason unknown. He may have passed away and the sons may have applied instead. I am still researching this information. However, this proves there was a Ben Roberts who came to Nacogdoches in 1835 and fought with Sam Houston and there were Roberts family members living in Nacogdoches County in a small section called Buffalo Gap at the time Brushy Bill Roberts said he was born in 1859. This information can be found online at The Texas Land Office. s3.glo.texas.gov/glo/history/archives/land-grants/index.cfm?sa=z&CFID=483819&CFTOKEN=4a927a21b4f988d-B0F9B6BD-FCAA-7817-29D149542B78CF96
I think that the name Billy Barlow is one that was somehow connected to Brushy in his life. A character in a book he once read, or someone from his youth that he met and he employed that name as his own alias earlier on, and then fell back to it to use with his concocted tale of him being BtK.
I'm on the fence about what really happened to Billy! that being said buffalo cap definitely had a population before 1859! lots of ol timers in that area might have useful info.
Garrets ex wife said to that young man that Billy and Pat shot a drunk in Fort Sumner and passed his body as Billy's. Was Barlow that guy? He did drink heavy according to Brushy. ?????????
@@MankindMediaLLC His wife Apolinaria Garret and His wife before her was Juanita Martinez. I got ahead of myself a little trying to make an point. Didn't Apolinaria supposedly tell a kid that Billy and Pat shot a drunkard in the face and passed his body off as BTK's? I was just saying if Billy Barlow was a person, he could have been that person. He supposedly liked to drink, and he was built like Billy.
@@SpookyMulder2022 gotcha. What I’ve heard is that his daughter Elizabeth said it in the 1980s. The only problem is she died in the 1940s. Brushy was clear that Barlow was shot in the Maxwell house. Who knows?
I looked up,folk songs Billy Barlow onTH-cam. And there is Songs of the civil war. And it’s about Billy Barlow. So is this Billy song that I just heard witch is TOTALLY different than yours. I am thinking it may get be a John Doe Name unless Brushys story is true.
Is there any documentation about what BTK's coffin looked like? Open, closed or semi-open? Have I read that there were lots of people who identified BTK at the funeral? Who besides P.G . Poe and McKinny saw billy right after the murder?
From what is online about it, it was just a wooden box and I bet it was nailed shut before being taken to the grave yard after the wake...haven't read Garrett's book but there might be a description of his burial in it, or Walter Noble Burns book.
@@MankindMediaLLC Hey Michael...that funeral might be a good topic for a future episode..I don't think very much is known about it and it sounds interesting. Thanks again for making this possible!
@@teamjanzeslife8741 I have Garrett's book in e-book form but haven't gotten very far into it. will let you know what it says, but from what is online, the actual casket was just a wooden box that was built on the spot.
I wonder if Brushy knew someone from his childhood by the name BIlly Barlow… and figured he could pass it off cause nobody knew him in NM. I also wonder if Brushy grew up around folks who were around btk and told passed down stories, that were altered as they become when they are passed from on person to the next? It seems someone said he worked for Susan Mcsween at some point.. but I can’t say for sure. Just something I read somewhere, likely not true.
In 1870 there was a Barlow common to most cowboys or outdoorsman it was the Barlow pocket knife. If you make up an alias , make sure it's easy to remember. Much like ( I want to be ) Billy ( the kid ) Barlow . Stranger things have happened.
All the evidence points to the fact that Billy Barlow, with a figment of Brushy, Bill Roberts imagination maybe that was his imaginary friend when he was a kid
hello I think that picture of the family sitting outside the house was maybe the family who first took him and his brother Joe in when his mother died Chancey Turnstalls family i think the tall guy in the corner is his brother Joe as Billy was young in that picture what do you think
I think it was a combination of the influence of the song and the name Bigelow, used by Brushy's mentor and fellow conman Dalton. Billy Barlow. Charlie Bigelow. Kinda roll off the tongue the same way, no?
And ppl who took or did census back then. Guessing on horse,miles between home steads,drinking, ? Hate their job? Deal with dogs n bandits n ppl hiding out under fake name.? Just saying look into who did census .I mean there r delivery drives now a days that " I'll just sign for it" . Plus miss hearing name from accents .I STRONGLY think brushy was billy
Is there any documentation of that? I've heard it thrown around as fact by Brushy Bill experts....but never seen anything tangible that it was a commonly used name.
Two videos on Billy the kid , chano silva and the other is ola everhard . I believe both of them ! They are so convincing, but one is wrong. Check them out .
He's named after a popular knife of the time. I have 2 in my collection.
It seems brushy bill was just trying to make up the billy the kid didn't die by pat Garrett..brushy bill just was an old man that wanted to be known..and great video Michael
I think Bob Dylan said it best when he said "The only thing we knew about Henry Porter was that his name wasn't Henry Porter" (from Brownsville Girl). Peace Friends!
If I was a outlaw back in those days and I was in a town and someone was recorded a census record. Came up to me and asked me about who I was. Do they ask for a photo id to prove who I am. How do they know other that what I tell them. Got any proof I'm lying. How can you Trust records of those times if there is no id cards like today?
I had a census taker visit me in TX and never asked for ID. Also had one visit me in NM for the same census and recorded me and my family twice.
@@grifce I had a census taker show up at my door asking questions. He didn't get my ID, but before he got any answers, I had his!
He had a surprised look on his face when I called local dispatch to verify him and check for warrants etc.. looking back it's pretty funny.
Your better than columbo excellent work thanks Michael
Thanks! Not many people remember Columbo...but I do!
There is a Buffalo Gap Texas near the Abilene Territory!!!
Of course there is....founded in 1877....18 years after Brushy claimed to be born there.
The town was a Village called Buffalo Gap. If you trace historical land grant maps you will locate 3 grants on Dorr Creek to 3 people with Robert's surname. Brushy said his grandfather settled there in 1835 so Ben's father must have moved his family there to that Territory. To the right of those grants is a tiny grant to J.W. Barlow. Those grants can be found on several land grant maps going from 1837 forward. One in 1858, the year before Brushy Bill was born in 1859. The Barlow land is not that far from the Buffalo Gap lands of the Robert's clan. Just because a place was not incorporated officially until the 1870's does not mean no one lived there. The place eventually got incorporated because of the growth in the region that took place due to migrations and settlement before the place became recognized as a viable town. J.W. Barlow could have been a William Barlow who had a son called Billy. History is only as good as the information that can be found to prove or disprove history. Sometimes just because you cannot find it does not mean it's not there. Also, some people do not look their age. My dad just died at 94. He looked like my brother not my dad and I am 67. No one believed he was in his 90s just like no one believed Brushy Bill. The land grant maps are absolutely records of people in the area. Start tracing the land grant maps and the land owners, then go and read those deeds. You will learn so much about the people by doing that. Also, you will find much more by going directly to the places where the ancestors resided. There is so much more not found by online searches.
And it was officially there since before 1829.
@@bettyraynor-davis9 Please post the links to these documents so everyone can review them. Thanks....
@@MankindMediaLLC I'll look them up again and post them. This is my first time posting to your videos, but thanks for your content.
Ive been doing some research and the one grant I thought said Barlow actually said J W Barrow. However there were grants applied for, grants withdrawn and grants approved for several Roberts surname family members on the outskirts of Nacogdoches Town limits in Nacogdoches County, TX between 1835 to 1858. The parcels where the Roberts were given grants was called Buffalo Gap and is not the same Buffalo Gap located in Taylor County, TX. The grants were on Dorr Creek and Loco Bayou regions. The land where these grants were located was within the original 7 leagues given to Juan Nepomuceno de la Cerda in the latter 1700s' Eventually the Town of Nacogdoches grew and annexed the Buffalo Gap designation and it all became Nacogdoches. Many of these grants were provided to those individuals or their heirs who fought for the "reduction of Bexar." These records can be viewed online. In one record I found Benjamin Roberts where he applied for lands then the application was withdrawn...reason unknown. He may have passed away and the sons may have applied instead. I am still researching this information. However, this proves there was a Ben Roberts who came to Nacogdoches in 1835 and fought with Sam Houston and there were Roberts family members living in Nacogdoches County in a small section called Buffalo Gap at the time Brushy Bill Roberts said he was born in 1859. This information can be found online at The Texas Land Office. s3.glo.texas.gov/glo/history/archives/land-grants/index.cfm?sa=z&CFID=483819&CFTOKEN=4a927a21b4f988d-B0F9B6BD-FCAA-7817-29D149542B78CF96
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I heard a private detective found a Billy Barlow in New Mexico but I heard he was also called young Billy.
no...that didn't happen.
Unless more evidence is found, the newspaper and the song are both possabilites. Some strange coincidences there. Thanks again Michael. ❤🤠
Billy Barlow is like Bigfoot or Sasquatch , just a fantasy ! 🤣
I think that the name Billy Barlow is one that was somehow connected to Brushy in his life. A character in a book he once read, or someone from his youth that he met and he employed that name as his own alias earlier on, and then fell back to it to use with his concocted tale of him being BtK.
Maybe Barlow was a fake name? The kid had how many different names?
Well yeah...did you watch the video?
@@MankindMediaLLC yes sir. Lol 😆
I'm on the fence about what really happened to Billy! that being said buffalo cap definitely had a population before 1859! lots of ol timers in that area might have useful info.
Garrets ex wife said to that young man that Billy and Pat shot a drunk in Fort Sumner and passed his body as Billy's. Was Barlow that guy? He did drink heavy according to Brushy. ?????????
I don’t think Pat had an ex wife. He was married when he was killed.
@@MankindMediaLLC Maybe his mustache was previously married...?
@@MankindMediaLLC His wife Apolinaria Garret and His wife before her was Juanita Martinez. I got ahead of myself a little trying to make an point. Didn't Apolinaria supposedly tell a kid that Billy and Pat shot a drunkard in the face and passed his body off as BTK's? I was just saying if Billy Barlow was a person, he could have been that person. He supposedly liked to drink, and he was built like Billy.
@@SpookyMulder2022 gotcha. What I’ve heard is that his daughter Elizabeth said it in the 1980s. The only problem is she died in the 1940s. Brushy was clear that Barlow was shot in the Maxwell house. Who knows?
I looked up,folk songs Billy Barlow onTH-cam. And there is Songs of the civil war. And it’s about Billy Barlow. So is this Billy song that I just heard witch is TOTALLY different than yours. I am thinking it may get be a John Doe Name unless Brushys story is true.
Is there any documentation about what BTK's coffin looked like? Open, closed or semi-open?
Have I read that there were lots of people who identified BTK at the funeral?
Who besides P.G . Poe and McKinny saw billy right after the murder?
I've not seen anything about whether his coffin was open. I imagine most people saw his body while it was laid out for a wake.
From what is online about it, it was just a wooden box and I bet it was nailed shut before being taken to the grave yard after the wake...haven't read Garrett's book but there might be a description of his burial in it, or Walter Noble Burns book.
@@MankindMediaLLC Hey Michael...that funeral might be a good topic for a future episode..I don't think very much is known about it and it sounds interesting. Thanks again for making this possible!
@@chipmusick682 Unfortunately I don't have any of the books but if you have them I would love to know what it says about the coffin and the burial😀
@@teamjanzeslife8741 I have Garrett's book in e-book form but haven't gotten very far into it. will let you know what it says, but from what is online, the actual casket was just a wooden box that was built on the spot.
I wonder what Billys net worth was at its peak..cause it's seems like he always got the resources he needed. .how was he paying for all his sweaters
😅😂
I’d guess he wasn’t one to save up… he relied on his ability to acquire assets as needed! (Just my opinion)
@@prudd72 well said
I wonder if Brushy knew someone from his childhood by the name BIlly Barlow… and figured he could pass it off cause nobody knew him in NM.
I also wonder if Brushy grew up around folks who were around btk and told passed down stories, that were altered as they become when they are passed from on person to the next? It seems someone said he worked for Susan Mcsween at some point.. but I can’t say for sure. Just something I read somewhere, likely not true.
In 1870 there was a Barlow common to most cowboys or outdoorsman it was the Barlow pocket knife. If you make up an alias , make sure it's easy to remember. Much like ( I want to be ) Billy ( the kid ) Barlow . Stranger things have happened.
All the evidence points to the fact that Billy Barlow, with a figment of Brushy, Bill Roberts imagination maybe that was his imaginary friend when he was a kid
hello I think that picture of the family sitting outside the house was maybe the family who first took him and his brother Joe in when his mother died Chancey Turnstalls family
i think the tall guy in the corner is his brother Joe as Billy was young in that picture what do you think
Awesome Video!! I know a guy name Joe Blow!! This is 100% Real.
I think it was a combination of the influence of the song and the name Bigelow, used by Brushy's mentor and fellow conman Dalton. Billy Barlow. Charlie Bigelow. Kinda roll off the tongue the same way, no?
very similar to be sure...
You commented on his shirt at burial was too big so maybe it was not Billy that is why his shirt was too big
And ppl who took or did census back then. Guessing on horse,miles between home steads,drinking, ? Hate their job? Deal with dogs n bandits n ppl hiding out under fake name.? Just saying look into who did census .I mean there r delivery drives now a days that " I'll just sign for it" . Plus miss hearing name from accents .I STRONGLY think brushy was billy
Based on what tangible evidence that you can produce?
Not everyone was billy Barlow. But ppl were A billy Barlow. Kind of like " he's a wild bill"
Is there any documentation of that? I've heard it thrown around as fact by Brushy Bill experts....but never seen anything tangible that it was a commonly used name.
Buffalo Gap Texas sure as heck did exist.
No...it didn't. Geez, can't you even use Google?
Two videos on Billy the kid , chano silva and the other is ola everhard . I believe both of them ! They are so convincing, but one is wrong. Check them out .
Hi MAG, saw a live and thought I could chat with my buddies. Was bummed!🥲🥲🤣🤣.