Jeff - I think your skiing video of the Enforcer 88 did it perfect justice - you basically can do whatever you want on the ski. I would like to relay a story about the ski to highlight everything you said about it. At the end of last season, before attending the U14 NorAms (SL, GS & SG) we took our daughter's friend out for a fun day on the hill and he skied my partner's 172 Enforcer 88s (this boy is a Top 10 skier in Canada at SL/GS/SG). On this one run, he launched it full speed off a steep and landed at least 50feet down the hill, and he then proceeded to enter a currently unused icy GS course and absolutely killed it - it was incredible to watch the angles and speed he took through the course - I was in awe - and so were the coaches, not from his club, who happened to be standing around at the bottom of the gates watching this kid on Enforcer 88s do what he was doing - it was a mind blow. If you have the skill, the ski can do anything. I thought I was a good skier until I watched what this kid could do.
Thanks, Paul! We agree in that being able to put a story behind an experience is very helpful in conveying the personality and character of a ski. Also, watching very, very good skiers can be a humbling experience. Talk soon, SE
I went for a 188cm Elan rip stick 88 with look pivot bindings based on watching most of your videos. They arrived on Saturday and I went skiing on an indoor slope on Sunday. I have found my skiing nirvana with this combination. Thank you. I could not be happier. I can’t wait for skiing season.
@@bernardciak , I am 190cm and a few kgs heavier. I think they are great. I went skiing a week ago for a week and had a blast, except for the icy bits. So you have to be a bit ginger and careful with them, especially compared to my old power track 84s. They really love moguls, crud and powdery pistes. They have given me the confidence to do jumps.
First! Holy cow, every year I think the engineering and technology/materials can't get better, and here we are in 2022 with a lot of amazing skis, including several new ones, on the wall.
There's a lot of people out there who work very hard to change even the subtlest of things on these skis. Pretty soon, we'll just all be levitating down the hill. SE
Such great contents here! You guys are quite creating culture around ski technology!!! Even though i am looking for my one and only pair, i enjoy watching all your comparison videos... Definitly learning so much from you! Thanks and bravo! :)
Guys, please do 80 and 85 mm comparison! Thanks for the professional videos so far - it's always great to hear your informed opinions about the new skis each year!
Great overview of these skis. One request: could you do a more substantial intro on these types of videos? What are the ideal use cases for this style ski?
@@tomdolan8858 hi Tom. If you don't mind me Asking what are your stats. Looking at the the declivities 92s myself in the 180s. I am 183cm, 87kg, advanced skier. piste and crud skiing
Hey guys, love your videos. I watch them all the time to get an idea of what ski is for me. I have a question for you guys. I'm looking for a new ski, and I've narrowed my selection down to the Salomon QST 92's, and the K2 Mindbender 89TI's (both 2023 versions). I'm an intermediate skier looking for a ski that will allow me to take the next step. I live in Ontario, so most of my skiing is done on the east coast (Holiday Valley, Mont Tremblant, etc) with a trip out west once a year. I ski 90% on piste but I want to get my skills up to a level where I'm comfortable doing more off piste stuff. Can you recommend one ski over the other to achieve that? Both skis are the same price so that's not really an issue, just trying to figure out which ski is better for me. Currently I'm leaning to the QST's just because like Bob said they're a great ski if you don't know what you want, but I'm not 100% sure. Any help is appreciated!
Thanks! I think you'll have greater success and happiness overall in the QST 92. The main reasoning here is that the K2 can feel pretty demanding, especially in the tail--the QST 92 is friendlier overall while still retaining a high performance ceiling. If you were advanced/expert and looking for more solid on-trail performance, I'd likely steer you the other way, but given your intended application and stats, the QST 92 seems to make more sense. Have fun! SE
Hello guys great video as well, i tried 2years ago kastle mx88 and stockli stormrider88, two types of different ski, Kastle when you carving is smooth and give you the confidence you need and willl answer perfectly from the strength u put on it... stockli more bounce and less forgiving my opinion, so i had a pair m6 mantra and now i'm hesitating between two ski, and i would appreciate can if you suggest me which choice i should go between kastle mx88 and mx98 like i said i tried one time the kastle mx88 in 180cm i felt in love but im hesitating with mx98 get closer too mantra m6 and the lengt from the ski i dont know if i should choose between 180cm or 187cm im 6,2 and around 186lbs i'm a ex ice hockey player who know to ski since kid, hockey with skate and carving help a lot with ski by the way.. Thank you!
If you have the Mantra, I'd say the 88 is a better choice. I would think if you are aggressive and fast, the 187 will hold up better, but if you appreciate more across the fall line carves, the 180 still has a very sturdy build. If you're looking to ditch the Mantra and get one pair, I'd get the 98.
Hey guys, been watching your videos for a couple of seasons now. For someone looking to compare different options, you guys offer by far the most comprehensive reviews across the widest range. Thanks so much for the high quality, detailed output. Top notch stuff! I’d like to ask you for some personal guidance on ski selection. What is the best format in which to do so?
Thanks Mike! Right here is good for general knowledge and information, but if you have a specific question about ordering or pricing, please call 877/812/6710. SE
Ok, here goes! Stats: 5’10”, 170 lbs, 56 yrs old as of yesterday, Advanced skier Locale: 85% PA (=man made ice), annual trips to VT (Stowe for the first time this year!) and/or out west Current ski: 10 year old K2 Rictor 174 cm (127/80/109. 16M radius) What I seek: I’ve been skiing for 44 years now with a few years as an instructor thrown in. Not quite an expert but an advanced skier who skis nearly 100% of a big mountain. I don’t tour, and don’t really ski out of bounds. I’ve improved my technique greatly these last couple of seasons as a pertains to carving. I really enjoy it on these skis though they do have a top end above which they are not stable. However, my concern is on the other end of the spectrum. These skis have begun to feel very heavy to me and are not particularly playful in quick turns at the edge of the slope or in the trees. (Maybe it’s just my advancing age!) After watching your reviews, I’m thinking I’d like something a little wider, maybe the 88 to 92 range that is lighter, more forgiving, and more snappy/playful. I want something that I can still lay down some nice curved turns on, but doesn’t require me to ski them at high energy levels all day either. I’m not much of a bump skier, but I do like the trees and short quick turns on occasion. And, a little more float for those rare snow days would be appreciated. I do think that weight reduction is probably one of the keys to this formula. I’ve narrowed down my choices to 8 skis, but would love to hear your suggestions first. Thanks in advance for your help!
@@SkiEssentials yes! Except the M pro. My list from this comparison includes the Ripstick 88, maverick 88 TI, declivity 92 TI, Ranger 90, mind bender 89 TI and 90c and the QST 92, initially. However, to whittle it down, I was thinking I would remove the Ranger and mindbender due to weight. Also, I fear the QST may be a little less ski from a curving standpoint than I need here on the bullet proof Pennsylvania hard pack. Curious to know your thinking in picking those skis, and what you think of my picks. I’m also curious to know how the skis all compare with their upsized brethren. Thinking Ripstick 96, maverick 95, ranger 96. Thanks so much!
@@mikeprice1875 I love how you pick 7 skis on that wall--I think it just goes to show that there are so many good options. In terms of my thinking for these picks, I mean, we do this all day, so it's basically second nature, but you provided an elaborate and accurate painting of yourself as a skier, so it makes it that much easier. With more width, you get more mass. I find that with carbon-powered skis, the wider skis work better than those with metal, like the Maverick and Ranger. I like the Ripstick 96 a lot more than the 88, but can't quite say the same thing for the other two. I think you're in the right spot with the ~90's, and I'd still keep that M-Pro in consideration along with the Declivity for sure.
Hi Jeff&Bob, one more great review. Last year I bought Stance 90 in 176 after watching your review. It helped me progress a lot this season. My carving improved, fear of speed gone. I can conside myself close to advanced. Which skis will be natural progression after stance 90? 5'7" 150lb age 50 mostly midwest 80% groomers. Also which ones of these can be used for small jumps? Not too crazy.
Hi! That's excellent! So glad to hear you enjoyed the Stance. I would say it depends what direction you want to take your skiing, or in what aspect you want to improve. You could, for instance, get something a little stiffer, narrower, more precise, and continue to build on your carving prowess. On the other hand, you could get something with a little more tail rocker, or maybe a twin tip, and start venturing into new terrain. If you're looking to do some jumps, I'd go the twin tip/tail rocker path. You could also do something like keep the Stance 90 and get a wider ski like the Salomon QST 98!
@@JayantW55 So my general thoughts there are that all those skis are, in the grand scheme of things, relatively similar. Experience 86 Ti would be a good example of a ski that would help take your carving to another level as it is more focused on carving-specific performance, but the others in your list basically feel like alternatives to the Stance 90 you have. I'd take some time to think about where you want to take your skiing. Where do you want to improve, what goals do you have? Make a list and it should help steer you at least towards a certain genre of skis.
@SkiEssentials Thanks for that reply. So last week-end I did lot of fast carving on my old Volkl RTM 81s. I think I got them in 2017. I think that's what I want to do more going forward. Just charge harder.
Hey Guys, love the video as usual! Do you have any recommendations for an "old guy" ski? My dad loves skiing groomers but is on the heavier side, so we're looking for something that's doesn't require as much energy to ski and can support a bigger skier. Thanks in advance!
Hey Matt! Sorry for the delay getting back to you. If he's on the heavier side, a lot of those skis with metal in their construction would be great. Stance 90 feels like a really good one, or Enforcer 88. His heavier weight kind of negates the more demanding nature of those skis, as it'll be easier for him to flex. Black Crows Serpo comes to mind too. Brahma and Kendo are probably a bit too much. Their shape is less forgiving. I'd put Stormrider 88, Ranger 90, and Mindbender 89Ti in there as options as well. Hope that helps! Sorry again for the slow reply, busy time of year around here and just getting caught up on these comments and questions.
Hey love the video I rented the Mavs 88ti on the weekend and they felt insanely good I just can't seem to find them in stock anywhere what ski would be the next good fit Would the bent feel the same?
Good work as usual guys. I ski Enf88 and Brahma in the 179/7cm. Demoed Kendo last month here in NZ and agree it fits between the two above in feel and application. After having the other 2 it didn't wow me as being much different but I have the spectrum covered from both fun and fast angles obviously. Maybe the Volkl is the best one ski fit, if you only can have one 88mm ski 😉 Enjoy your season.
Love the videos. No one else doing anything like this online. Question: Im 45M / 6Ft 230, beginner/Intermediate Skier. I'm skiing mostly Colorado. So far Ive just done resort groomers but am interested in exploring off groomer skiing at some point. Would any of these be better than any others for me? Should I go wider or narrower maybe? Accidentlaly posted this on the 2022 video as well so disregard please.
The good news about these skis is that they are really great at blurring the line between front side and all-mountain. If you're a progressing skier in the intermediate zone, I'd say the Black Crows Captis, Elan Ripstick, and Salomon QST 92 make a lot of sense. That gives you a good span of 88, 90, and 92 mm underfoot skis to choose from that are all very good at versatility and fun. Maybe price, availability, and color will sway your final choice? Have fun! SE
Great video, really like these and the balanced approach to reviewing. I still own a pair of Salomon Pocket Rockets from 2002 and have yet to find something as fun and versatile as those (carve well, great almost anywhere off piste and light enough for touring). They do snap easily and they don’t handle hard pack so well that said. Of the skis you have here or from the 100mm category is there anything that you feel can match the Pockets for fun and versatility whilst beating them for harder pack groomers?
There's some great mid to upper 90's twins in this range, so the Nordica Unleashed 98, Black Crows Camox, Rossignol Blackops 98, and Dynastar M-Free 90 or 99. Of those the Unleashed is the most capable carver while being pretty darn versatile. We just did an on-snow video of that ski if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/vu1dOnu9xyM/w-d-xo.html
Hi Jeff and Bob-Thanks for continuing to do these ski by ski reviews within groups. Just wondering if you are going to do a 93-99 group or not? Did I miss it? I know you have done pows and 100's. Thanks.
Hey boys! You guys prefer the enforcer 88 or the kendo 88? Looking for something 80/20 piste/off piste. I’m 6’4” 220 advanced to expert. Looking for that carving ski that can go off side hit every once in awhile and maybe plow through some crud. Thanks!!
At 6/2 225, I'm right there with you. I prefer the Kendo these days, and I own an Enforcer 88. The Kendo has a bit more of a turny personality and feels lighter than the Enforcer, putting it a bit more in the maneuverable side, but still super sturdy. I had a total blast on the Kendo in the 184. 2:40 in this video was some of my favorite skiing of the year: th-cam.com/video/ONhAMC86R5M/w-d-xo.html
Hi guys, great review. Wanted to ask your opinion after some researches I made found 3 interesting pairs, enforcer 88, kendo 88 and qst92. Im 171cm weight 73kg Im intermidiate/advanced skier with experience of 4 years every year 15 days, like sport, feel good carving 50-60 kph. What do u think about this skis for me and in particular in 165 length. I think about 70%carving on grummers but want to start research a bit off piste. If u could recommend a different pair for me also would be happy but take my high and ski length under considaration. Thank you.
If off-piste adventure is becoming part of your game, I'd take a square look at the QST 92. The other two are fantastic groomer skis, but are fairly unfriendly if you're venturing off-trail. The QST has a great blend of attributes, from a grippy and poppy feel on the groomers to a fun-loving and easy-going nature when the snow gets softer or the terrain gets more interesting.
Hi, I am trying to decide on a ski purchase this week...here are the contenders..Elan Wingman 86 CTI Fusion X, Volkl Deacon 84, Volkdo Kendo 88 and Elan Ripstick 88. I live in Pittsburgh but will have more skiing days in Colorado this year in January and March..total days out west 11..vs probably 5 at home. I am in mid 60's and have been skiing for 58 years...not as aggressive as in the past...mainly groomed slopes (east) and hopefully more powder west... real thoughts on what I should by...5'8 and 200lbs. Thanks
I think the Ripstick 88 makes the most sense, especially if you're mainly in CO and are less aggressive than you've been. They carve really well with a strong edge grip, and while it's no Kendo in terms of stability at speed, it's pretty darn good. I think this makes more sense than the more front-side oriented skis on your list. I'd go with the Ripstick 88 in the 172, unless that sounds a bit long.
Fantastic video! Thank you for all the quality content, it helps me a lot with choosing my ski's. I've skied a lot when I was young but switched to a snowboard (about 15 years ago), now I want to pick up ski's as well and I would like to know if I've made the right choice (I've skied 1 day, lasy year and loved it, it felt like a never stopped skiing). I'm 184 cm (+/- 6 feet) and 90 kg (+/- 200 lbs) I've a lot of experience on the slopes as well as off piste. I'll ski mainly on slopes tho, in europe. I think the Atomic Maverick 88 TI would be the best choice for me. I'm just not sure about the length, could you maybe give me some advice? I think I should go for the 176 or the 180, but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance and keep up the good work!
It's a great ski! I would say the 176 makes the most sense for your stats and application. It's a pretty stable ski, so there's no real need to upsize to access performance. Have fun! SE
Glad I came across you guys. You’re putting out some really great content. Who would you say wins for frontside carver out of all these? Looking for an all star crisp morning groomer with forgiving edge on a soft afternoon.
It's an easy question until you bring forgiveness into the equation! As is often the case, the better carvers are typically the more unforgiving skis. I would say Kendo 88 and Brahma 88 are the best carvers in this group, but they are also the least forgiving. Skis like the Stance 90, Enforcer 88, and Declivity 92 Ti aren't too far behind in carving prowess, in fact arguably better for a less aggressive skier, but they do bump up the forgiveness factor in variable snow, so might be worth looking to those skis.
Hello guys, thank you very much for your videos, great stuff. I would like to ask for some advice, I have been skiing for 13 years, but since I arrived in Switzerland,I have gained a lot of experience both on piste and off piste. Every day I'm more and more interested in doing off piste if the conditions allow me to do so, but in Switzerland that doesn't always happen, so I'm looking for versatile skis on which I can progress my technique on piste but above all that are suitable for off piste and improve my technique there if the conditions allow me to do so. I like speed and short turns. I 29yo, 5’8”, 183 lb. Thank you very much!
it's tough to look past something like the Volkl Kendo for your application. Very stable and smooth at speed but also has versatility and a nice short turn radius. On the slightly more maneuverable side, check out K2's Mindbender 89Ti. I'd say the high 160's to low 170's in terms of length would work great.
hello guys! between Elan Ripstick 88 and Head Kore 87 which one you would recommend? i love carving on the piste but i would also like to improve my skills off piste and have more time in the powder
Replied to your other comment, but leaving my reply here as well for others to see: Both are fun skis, the biggest difference is flex pattern. The Ripstick is much softer, which feels more playful off-piste and allows for easier control of carving radius, but not as stable at speed. Kore is far stiffer, which makes it very responsive and reactive, but it can be harder to bend and slightly more "punishing" if you make a mistake in off-piste terrain. Both could work, although from your description I get the sense the Ripstick may be a better choice as it's easier and more forgiving off-piste.
Hi SE team, I'm looking at the QST 92, I'm low to mid intermediate, 5'11" 205#. Most my skiing is midwest. Is the 177 an okay length or should I go with a shorter length ski? Thoughts on the Armada declivity 92ti? Really looking for a forgiving/confident ski where I can grow. Thanks!
I’m 14, a pretty good skiier, and trying to decide between the 2023 Atomic Bent 90 (166cm) or the 2023 Salomon QST 92(168cm). I’m more of a playful skiier and I ski all around the mountain. I especially want to start getting good at the upper mountain/off-piste stuff. Your opinion would be appreciated. I’m also looking to get 2 seasons out of these. I am 5’7”, so would these lengths be good for that? Thanks guys! 🙏
I have heard some people I wont be able to handle the QST because it is stuffer. But isn’t it made of a poplar wood core just like the Bents? I also demoed stiffer skis before (Volkl Kenja 88), I am aware it is a women’s ski, but have heard it is a pretty stiff ski. Thanks again! 🙏
Playful skiers tend to gravitate towards the Bent while the QST and Kenja are on the stiffer side. QST has carbon in it as well as poplar, and the Bent uses a thinner overall profile, so that explains the difference in stiffness. For an off-piste focus and more playful skiing, the Bent probably makes more sense.
Coming from a 2022 atomic maverick 95. Looking for something a little softer for mogul/tree skiing but that still maintains some sturdiness/precision if that makes sense. Also will be used for powder days. Looking at the qst 92 or black crows captis. What do you think? Or should I go for something else?
Sure makes sense! I think both of your choices are fantastic. The QST will offer better on-trail sturdiness and performance while still holding its own in the bumps and trees. The Captis is slightly more playful, but other than that, the QST is about as complete a ski as they come.
Great stuff Jeff and Bob, love your content! I think the narrow all mountain / wide carving category around 80mm would be an absolute blast to round up the first three comparisons this year, probably covering the three most saught after categories. Speaking so .. :) I'm a light weight (sub 60 kg), more on the aggressive side, expert skier. I'm mostly on the Kore 87. I think it's a great ski and you nailed it when you described it. However, i feel like i'm a little too light for it, i can bend it, but it takes quite some effort and with some sub-optimal knee conditions, i'm looking for something that has a high performance ceiling, but is a bit softer. I was thinking about a low 80mm, more front side orientied, and something wider around the 90mm mark. I was thinking of the BC Divus plus X, could not find a video where you compared the Divus in terms of stiffness or gave it a bend, so i'm unsure about it. With your comments on the Ripstick in this video, and instantly thought that it would probably be a great replacement for my Kore, giving the conditions i'm in. But i also would not mind having 2 skis. What's your take on this? Don't take the mentioned skis as a "locked" in, i'm certainly open to any good recommendations from your side!
Thanks, Pat! We'd love to do the 80, but not a lot of our stock is in at the moment for those skis. We'll likely have to circle back to that one in a few weeks. Until then, the Divus has been one of the most universally-loved skis over the past two years. it's quick and agile, and if I were to give it a hand-flex, it'd be somewhere close to a Volkl Deacon 80. I think something in that range would be good for a first pair, but would also be good for most days, in reality. You could also go a bit more front side with something like Blizzard Thunderbird R15 WB at 76 mm underfoot, and then a wider option, like Armada Declivity 92, or Dynastar M-Pro 90/99 depending on how wide you want to go. Hope that helps! SE
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for getting back. Looking forward for the 80s when you're ready for it :) I own a QST 98 for the fresh snow days, so just looking for a replacement of my Kore, and if i'll go with 2 or just one ski. I had an eye on the R15 WB sine you've put your 2022 review out, but i think i'd like to go a little wider and softer. I'll probably have to think through some scenarios and wait for a few more 2023 comparisons to come out :)
After trying Ranger 102's and loving them but not looking for something as aggressive to enjoy the mountain I'm really considering the Ranger 90 as my ski of choice.
Between the Kendo, KORE and the Ripstick all the 88’s what would you say would be a better ski for me. I am 5’11” I average around 200lbs and I am an advanced aggressive skier. One more thing I do want a playful ski that I can throw around when needed.
Thank you so much for these great videos. I ski in the Pacific Northwest and am going to ski more early season harder pack groomers and front side due to my child ski racing. I own a 104 enforcer free. Based on this looking at the enforcer 88 or volkl kendo. Whenever there is more snow. I’ll grab the enforcer. I am an upper advanced level skier. If I love the enforcer line. But want more of a front side ski… what would your recommendation be?
Hi Ryan! I found the Kendo to be a more compliant carver than the Enforcer 88. If you go with the Nordica, you know what you're getting, but the Volkl adds another dimension in terms of race-like feel and totally confident edge grip. I think the 104 and Kendo makes a fantastic combination. Have fun! SE
Hi guys, many thanks for the awesome reviews!! I'm 27yo, 6’10”, 187 lb, advanced skier, usually skiing in Europe groomers but love to go off-piste when I can (which is whenever there is just enough snow hehe) I usually prefer a more agressive short turn style and last year really enjoyed skiing the Brahma 88, but wanted your opinion on the Brahma versus the Atomic Maverick 88, which I havent tried yet. Which one would you recommend? Thanks!
The Brahma is a heavier ski that likes to be used at higher speeds while the Maverick 88 is quite a bit lighter and more agile. The quickness of the Maverick stands out for sure, but it's not quite as stable or sturdy as the Brahma. If you liked the Brahma, the Maverick feels a bit less rugged.
The new ski is more flexible and engaging. This does not mean it's worse or lower-performing, rather the range of performance and capabilities have been increased.
Hi, nice reviews ! love to watch your vids. I have a question for you, I'm an intermediate/advanced skier, 6' , 220 lb. I'm from Quebec, so i'm mainly skiing on hard pack/icy slope. So i was wondering what you would recommend for me ! Thx a lot for your help !
Hi Eric! I'd take a square look at Kendo, MX 88, and the new K2 89Ti. The Kastle is the most carving oriented while the Kendo is right behind. If you're looking to take a little bit off the performance ceiling, the K2 is still a wonderful carver with a versatile flair. You can't go wrong with any of these, but I think the Kendo is holding a special place in my heart this year. Have fun! SE
Amazing in-depth review guys, thanks so much for all the work you put into this! I’m looking forward to the “low-mid 80s” review myself. I’m 54yo, 5’10”, 210 lb, inter/advanced, carving, forgiving and fun rather than fast is what I’m looking for these days. I loved the Elan Wingman I used last season, even more than the Kendo 88 i had a few weeks before that. Mainly groomers but the ability to deal with crappy soft stuff at the end of the day as well is what I’m looking for. I also have past injuries in both knees and one ankle, so light weight is something I value. I’d be really interested to hear your recommendations for me…
Low 80's is a great place to be, and definitely an overlooked category. A lot of skis in this one blur the front side and the all-mountain. Wingman 82 CTi, for example, is a wider front side ski while the Brahma 82 is a narrower all-mountain ski. I think you are looking for wider front side, so Wingman, Volkl Deacon 80, Stockli Montero AX, and Rossignol Experience 82 are all great options. If you go with Experience 82 Basalt over Ti, you're saving weight, but at the expense of performance. Hope that helps! SE
How does the Ranger 90 compares to the Rustler 9? I'm looking at 164-172 for the current Rustler so 92mm underfoot. They seem pretty similar to me. Could you please highlight the main differences between the two skis? It would be really helpful to me. Thanks!
I have found a better connection to the Rustler 9, mainly because it's a cleaner turner and a bit more precise. The Ranger is more damp, and has a slightly sturdier feel, but I prefer the energy and responsiveness of the Rustler.
Love these comparison videos! Hoping you can help me make a decision on a set of skis and a length. Currently skis: super old (15 yrs?) pair of Volkl Karma twin tips (177 : 119/87/111 - 20 radius) I’m an advanced skier living in MN but try to get out West as much as possible, love to charge fast down black groomers, hitting the trees when snow is good and struggling to be better in the bumps. Early 40’s - 6’ and 175lbs. Current top of the list Declivity 92Ti, Exp 86 Ti, Ripstick 88, Stance 90, Enforcer 88 and to make it even harder the Declivity 82! Want something that can hold an edge, be stable on groomers at speed, handle some powder but soft & forgiving in off piste terrain too. Essentially be perfect at everything 😉🤣
I think your Stance 90 makes a lot of sense. It's sturdy and strong but not overpowering--loves to carve clean and round turns on a variety of snow surfaces. I'd put Declivity 92 right there with it--perhaps 82 is narrow. The narrower Rossignol leans a bit more to the front side, while the Ripstick may not deliver the stability that you're looking for. Enforcer is a bit burly and stiff--I think you can narrow focus to the Declivity and the Stance. Perhaps pricing, availability, and graphics will ultimately sway your decision?
@@SkiEssentials Awesome! Thank you! Curious if you can recommend a length given height/wt/ability and preferences above. Declivity 92 Ti 172/180/188 or Stance 90 176/182/188 past skis were a 177 which held up well with speed but felt long in the bumps but that's probably due to lacking proper technique.
I’m 45 years old 6’3 245 lbs groomer skier that likes to push hard and ski fast. I own a older 2015 bonafide but looking for a 88 range in width ski. That being said would you recommend Kendo or Brahma? Thanks
If you like the overall character of the Bonafide, the Brahma is a more seamless choice, but if you're looking for something a bit more agile and energetic, the Kendo is just that ski. It's a bit more risky than going Brahma, but I prefer the Kendo over the Brahma ever so slightly.
This may not be the right format but wanted to gauge your thoughts on the best ski in this lineup for someone like me: I am 6'1", 200lbs. Solid Intermediate skier, wanting to improve. I currently ski a pair of Salomon QST 85's that i got about 5 years ago. They're not bad but I am curious if there is something better. I am looking to go a bit wider for stability but still be versatile and playful. Live in Colorado and that is where I do almost all of my skiing. I was considering the QST 92's in this lineup as well as the Kendo and the Head Kore. Curious to know if there are others in this lineup that you'd recommend as well. Really great video, thank you for the info!
You're in the right space! The natural progression from your QST 85 is to the 92. It's not only wider, but also a lot better. While the 85 was somewhat basic (and effective!) in its build and shape, the 92 takes it to the next level for sure. If you're in Colorado and like the overall character of the Salomon, it's tough to go against the 92. That said, if you're looking to jump another level of performance, then go Kendo. Kore is great, but doesn't do it for everyone. I'm a fan of the 93 and 99, but find the 87 to be a bit light and chatty at 6/2 225 pounds. Dynastar M-Pro 90 is another solid choice that has a big upside. Hope that helps! SE
Hi Jeff great review, been waiting for the 90mm wall after seeing this years 100mm last week, looking for something off this wall for my next pair of skis for this winter. Am drawn by the maverick 88Ti but wondering whether they would be the best choice, am 170cm tall ,95kg and ski Europe at an advance level and spend 80% + of my time frontside. Would appreciate your thoughts plus recommendations on length to get.
Hi Paul! Maverick 88 Ti has an amazing blend of edge grip, quickness, and sharp-turning acumen. Volkl Kendo and M-Pro 90 should also be in the top three--way more similarities than differences in those models. I'd say the mid 160's to 170 is a good size range to be in based on your stats and application. Have fun! SE
Hey fellas, Thank you so much for your amazing content! Wanted to ask for a recommendation on skis. 185lbs advanced skier, looking for east coast daily driver. Like to go in the trees whenever I can but want something versatile and agile. Currently have a ranger 94 FR which is great but looking for something like it but with a bit more edge grip and power to help with east coast ice. Still want some playfulness but don’t think I want to burn my legs out with an enforcer. Was looking at: ripsticks all models, serpo, maverick 88ti/95 ti, head kore, stance 90. Thoughts? Thank you!
Thanks, Michael! I think the 88's are a great place to be for eastern one-ski options. Ripstick 88 and Maverick 88 jump out at me as top options on your list. If you're leaning more to the grip and the carvy side of the spectrum, the Maverick makes good sense, but for more of a playful, quick, and agile option, the Ripstick is about as good as it gets.
Ok, First time ski buyer. Intermediate growing into advanced. Out of this set what ski suits me the best. Ski in europe so conditions range need both groomers and trail stuf. Cheers, love the vids
HI Tom! I think the Ripstick 88 is a good lighter option while the Salomon QST 92 makes for a great wider and more sturdy ski. If you're looking for agility and quickness, go with the Elan, but for more power and flotation, the Salomon is about as well-rounded as it gets. Have fun! SE
Great review! I've watched so many of your videos but still trying to decide between Kendo 88, M6 Mantra, Enforcer 88/94, and Maverick 95 TI. they all seem quite similar(?!), but I'd prefer to get something that is very confident at carving hard/icy groomers with occasional deeper snow use. Is M6 a good choice or should I go for a different one - the 96mm doesn't lack grip? Size wise I'm 174cm tall, 65kg, advanced hard-charging skier, and guess 177 length would be better than 170cm? Thanks a bunch!!
The M6 does not lack grip. I think you should stick to the mid-90's rather than the 88's for your application. I'd narrow focus to the M6 and the Enforcer, with the Mantra being the better carver and the Enforcer as more versatile for softer snow while still being an absolute ripper on the groomers. The main difference between the lengths is the turn shape--if you go 170, the arc tightens up a bit for sure, so it more depends if you want to be more comfortable in shorter turns or if you want it to be easier to let them run. I'd say the 170 is a better overall choice, but I'm not going to talk out out of a longer ski if that's what you prefer. Have fun! SE
@@SkiEssentials happy to hear that about M6, I used to have Scott Punisher in 108mm for many years, and I'd occassionally get washed out of a turn if I'm pushing it too hard on groomers, and I fear(ed) the same for any ski above ~90mm waist width including the M6. On that note, I skied Punisher in 183 cm length, which was more driving me than I was driving the ski - so later I got Volkl Revolt 121 in 177 cm which seems just right! I sold a Bentchetler 100 in 172cm as it felt too short for me - thus my inclination to go for 177cm, unless you think it's too stiff for that lenght and that it's rather the softer flex in Bentchetler & Revolt that made me think I'd need a ski longer than 172cm? Also, I loved the Bent but it lacker stability/length especially in crud or heavier powder, so I considered Maverick 95 TI initially, but figured if I'm skiing anything other than powder, it's going to mean the piste is hard too, thus M6 would be better choice as it's a better carver but hopefully not lacking the fun factor of the Maverick?? Thanks again for your time reading these Qs and answering, much appreciated and looking forward to your reply so I can pin on that length (or even switch to Maverick if you think it's much more fun) !! :)
@@mkrnjic2612 We just covered the Maverick/Mantra distinction in our mid-90's comparison video, and basically came to a similar conclusion. Mantra is not as playful as Maverick, but is quite a bit more powerful. The lightness of the Maverick puts it in a slightly different category in terms of maneuverability and agility.
Enforcer fan here. If only had to choose one, the Enf 94 is really good at pretty much everything and sounds like it would suit your type of application. Def demo, great ski. In comparison to the Mantra, I have an Enf in the 88 too and preferred it as still more versatile but equal edge strength to the 2023 Kendo 88 which I demoed last month if that helps. I'm your weight, but slightly taller and the 179cm works well for me.
Hey, could you go a bit deeper into the comparison between the QST 92 and the Blade Optic 92? As you said they seem quite similar but I have a hard time grasping what the advantages/disadvantages of the skis are compared to one another. Which one is better on soft snow, which one is better on hardpack? Which one is better for a carving style which one is better for more of a smearing and playful style? Which is more aproachable and which is better if I want to progress my skiing from high intermediate? Looking for 50/50 on piste/off piste. Regular fresh snow but mostly not very deep. I want to ski glades this winter. Thanks for your reviews!
You'll find a lot more similarities than differences between those skis. One of the biggest differences, though, is the weight and sturdiness. The tips and tails of the Line are more flexible than those of the QST, which is a bit more consistent from tip to tail in terms of flex. While the QST is quite turny, it isn't quite as quick or maneuverable as the Line, which is uncommonly agile for skis in this range. That makes the QST a better pure carver while the Line needs to be finessed more to get the same type of performance. I'd say the Line is more approachable due to the swing weight, and makes for a slightly easier ski in the glades. It sounds to me like you are leaning to the Line, but just slightly.
1:27:33 My situation is very relatable to this. Same height, weight, level and goals. Mainly on piste. I've been tossing up between Brahma 88, Rustler 9, Elan Wingman 86 and recently the Kendo 88. There are so many skis and options out there it's easy to get lost! I'm trying to demo the Brahma in 177 (your comments helped lock that decision for me) and the others at slightly longer length but I'm leaning towards the Brahma based on what I've read and heard. I kind of like that the ski has a reputation to humble poor form because getting solid form is my main goal. Can you think of anything I should keep in mind when I'm trying these or the others out? Any suggestions for an alternative ski I should try as well? Thanks!
Ha! There are a lot of options for sure. You're in a pretty good spot for a mainly on-piste ski, with the Wingman sticking out as the best carver of the group. Brahma is very solid and stable, but isn't quite as fun when the snow gets soft or the terrain gets tight--that's where Rustler 9 starts to stand out. Kendo is more like Brahma. You will likely find that the Wingman is on the stiff side and that it is quite demanding while the Kendo/Brahma are the next level down, but not by much, all the while increasing versatility.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks heaps for getting back to me :) I'm taking a closer look at the 2024 Rustler 9 in 180 and 186 now. My only concern is that it might be a bit wide for me but it sounds like it could be a good middle ground for what I'm looking for. I'm also still a bit divided on length at 180 or 186 at my level and size though
@@turbo66 I think the width is offset/balanced by the maneuverability, making it feel like a narrower and more agile ski, especially on groomers. For length, it's okay to size up if you're in the middle--I didn't find it overly demanding in any respect.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the advice! I've demo'd the Brahma (177) and the Rustler 9 (180). Oh boy the Brahma was a lot of ski! Super solid and took more concentration to keep on it (lets not talk about how wrecked I was the next day either). The Rustler oddly felt shorter.. It was definitely easier to use too. Even though my weight suggests I should go a longer ski I think I'm leaning towards the 180cm Rustler and accepting that I'll lose some of the speed I felt with the Brahma, but gain more versatility on mountain. The 186cm Rustler would be 3cm above my head, where as the 180 is just below the top of my head and if I read your response to a comment on your site review that's where you want the Rustler lining up :)
Hey guys, I’m an Ontario skier, 6’0 220lbs currently ski on Super Shape Magnum 170’s but am looking for something a little more versatile and able to handle the crud late in the afternoon. Was thing about the Stance 90’s but not sure if this is the right fit? Any suggestions on what to look for? I like to rip turns but also want to be able to just go out and cruise a well.
Great fit with that Stance. The 88-90mm range is a great place to be and to complement the Magnum. Stance has a nice mix of performance and accessibility for sure. Volkl Kendo is awesome at 88 mm underfoot, and we really like the new K2 Mindbender 89Ti with its shorter radius and more flexible personality than Kendo/Stance.
Hi, what would be the best ski in this category for me? I'm 6'2" 235lbs i would say i am a intermediate skier and spend most of my time on blue runs but like to get off trail occasionally here in Washington State. I don't blaze down the mountain, not an aggressive skier and like to make shorter turns and just have fun. I currently have some Line Prophet 98 Skis in 186CM and really like the dampness feel, stability and they way the cruise through the crud, they're over 10 years old and need to be replaced. What would feel closest to my Prophets? would the Mindbender 89 be similar in feel or maybe the QST92.
I'd say QST is a better match from an all-mountain and off-trail perspective. The K2 is stronger in the carving department, but if you're looking for more of a fun-loving personality, I'd stick to the QST. SE
Great review guys! My local dealer has a great offer on last years volkl blaze, kendo88 and mantra m6. I would say I’m a pretty advanced skier, skiing more on than off piste. I would like the skis to be a bit playful and handle going in the trees/off piste. Any tips?
Of the 3 I've only skied the Mantra (M5 and the M6 102) but I might be able help you decide if it will or wont work for you. They're a stable, fairly stiff directional ski that likes going fast. They carve turns beautifully but they aren't super playful. That said, they have a ton of rocker (I measured 60 cm decambered on my M5, the same as my Revolt 121) which makes them super loose with the bases flat. Manipulating your edge angle lets you control if you want the ski to bite or drift and lets you maneuver them through all kinds of off piste terrain. They're far from the best in bumps but you can certainly take them off trail and have some fun
Off-trail is ungroomed/non-corduroy. Sometimes it's bumps, trees, bumps in trees, crud, chop, or even a groomer that hasn't been groomed in a few days. Mainly within resort boundaries.
QST 92 is a lot looser thanks to longer rocker and more early taper. Bent 90 has a more energetic flex pattern, and also feels lighter. They accomplish similar things, but feel very different doing so.
I'm thinking about picking up the same combo and same size too. I have the QST98 in the 189cm size and love them so I'm hoping the QST92 in 184cm length will just be a hot rodded version
I live on the East Coast, already have K2 Disruption that I bought because of your reviews 2 years ago. They lack on days it is snowing heavily and I want to do moguls. Which one would best complete my quiver since I already have a pair of groomer skis?
I think the Black Crows Captis is right there as a playful option, but if you want a little more, you can check out the Salomon QST 92 as well--both great complements to a front side ski without going too far to the wide side. Have fun! SE
Dang that dps pogoda rp 90 is perfect for my skiing style but there's no way I'm dropping a grand on skis lol. Picked up a pair of QST 92s instead, I'm hyped for winter! The new QST line is really really cool!
Retail price of QST 92: 549. RP 90: 1449 (prices subject to change). You're looking at almost a thousand MORE for that ski. It is not three times better. Rest assured, there's a lot of fun and happiness to be had on the QST 92--one of the best all-around skis on the planet.
Gotta fairly athletic friend moving from beginner to intermediate and looking to buy his first pair. He skis primarily Mt Hood. I was thinking something in the 90w category might be where to start looking. Any suggestions?
The Salomon QST 92 is a no-brainer type of ski. It is very versatile and approachable. If you want something with more of a business side to it, check out Black Crows Serpo. For a lighter and more agile ski, it's hard to go wrong with the Elan Ripstick 88. Have fun! SE
I have to comment on the Stormrider 88s. I have a pair of 2016 that are 177. They also have demo bindings with a full metal plate. My guess is that the skis were a lot heavier then. The only way I feel comfortable taking them through the moguls is when the moguls are hard. The tails of the skis are stiff and don't come out of a turn easily. That and there is a 19m turn radius. I absolutely love these skis on hard pack but hate them on soft. Maybe the newer stormriders are different. Also I have to learn how to go from carving to surfing.
Awesome job guys and love the replies in the comments. I'm new to skiing out west, used to skiing in the east on ice and chop, I will mostly ski on piste + some easy bowl skiing/glades, hoping to catch a little bit of pow too. I'm 6'7 and 210, intermediate and like to make quick turns/not usually bombing it. Any suggestions? Elan? Others?
There's a lot to like about the Ripstick 88 for sure. They're light and agile, but the carbon rods really make a big difference in terms of energy and edge grip. On the slightly sturdier side, I'd also check out the Salomon QST 92. It did change for the better for 2023, but we have a great deal on the also-awesome 2022 version: www.skiessentials.com/2022-salomon-qst-92-skis-w-tyrolia-attack2-14-gw-bindings.html
A question for Bob's ski phonics: is the new Kendo quieter than the old one? I like how it skied, but I thought it was a bit noisy and quite jarring on the knees...any thoughts?
The 2023 version sounds a lot like the 21-22, but not the older 90mm versions. For the most part, I appreciate the quieter skis like Liberty, Salomon, and Stockli, but the performance and feel of the Kendo overrules the phonics for me. As for the knees, I'm not sure I can do much about that! SE/Bob
Hey Tom! Those skis are so similar in construction, sidecut, rocker profile, etc, it's basically just a difference in width. The 90 is going to be quicker edge to edge, the 96 a little better in soft snow. Should be fairly easy to decide between them, I would just focus on how often you're in soft snow vs how often you're skiing firmer groomers and let that guide your decision. Hope that helps and sorry for the delay getting back to you!
once again thanks a lot for this great videos. i am watching these for all kind of purpose from building up knowledge about skis, staying up to date, watching you guys ski and more. great stuff... one general question: i live in switzerland and the majority of the skis we see here in the resorts are race models from different brands. so i am very much used to see skiers of all type (beginners to experts) skiing these super aggressive high end race skis or their lower priced spin off models. but all super narrow and highly tapered shapes that generate a tone of energy in the turns. there are people on all mountain skis but it is the minority i'd say. on the other side, when watching your videos you pretty much don't cover all these super aggressive race skis but you're more into the all mountain ranges (for example Völkl Kendo instead of Racetiger) which is much more to my liking. but i am wondering if this is just a difference between the US and europe or if there is any other reason. personally i am very much enjoying the flexibility with all mountain models and there is just so much more you can do with them especially in changing conditions. the downside i can see with people buying and renting these race skis is that is seems like many people are in over their head with these models. high speed, lack of control and accidents are the outcome and i have seen my fair share of this last season when one of my friends got ran over by a woman on a rece ski because she was unable to control the speed
Hey fellow switzerland citizen ;) I share your concerns about beginner / intermediates on the narrow waist width skis and think it's almost at the point where it gets ridiculous. Last winter, i've been out with my dad who needed to rent some skis, and while i was looking around in the shop they almost sent him with a 65mm slalom ski. At least i could get him something with 76mm iirc. They didn't even have anything 80 - 85mm at their hand. The narrow skis often do ski the skier, not the other way around, and at the same, people have a hard time to learn on them as they are overpowered by the ski. As soon as the terrain gets beaten up, some slush, even soft snow moguls, it's getting really dangerous. So, yea, i absolutely see what you mean and i think most skiers would be best suited with a softer ski in the 80 - 90mm range that is more forgiving. This model range would also be so much more versatile. I'm wondering as well where this stark contrast comes from, i don't really have an answer to it.
Very interesting observation--we notice it as well, mainly through the ski companies' catalogs and online content. European ski industry is way narrower and more technically-focused than it is here in US. For the most part, our all-mountain skis don't start until at least 88 mm underfoot, and a lot of skiers don't even look at anything under 100 mm. Marketing has a lot to do with it, in that powder skiing sells, and ski companies have gotten really good at selling that image to consumers. For where we ski in Vermont, the reality is that most days call for skis at or under 88 mm. Kendo is far more dominant than Racetiger, or even Deacon 84. I feel that if you put a renter on a 65-68 mm underfoot ski, they'd be taken for a ride. The balance point on those narrower skis is tricky for emerging or part-time skiers, and here in US, are more novelty items for sure. While there is a strong race culture, it's definitely not the dominant theme. You have to pay attention all the time on race models, while the 88-90 range are more relaxing. I'm sure there's more to talk about, it's a very interesting topic!
thanks a lot for your thoughts on this. i completely agree that the marketing effort of the ski companies has a big impact on what some people are buying. and there might be a stronger freeride/powder background in the US compared to what is more of an attraction to ski sport racing here. many consider ski racing to be our national sport and, even though this is completely independent from the personal skill level, people might tend to buy what they see on the feet of the professional race skiers. over the last three years (call it the corona effect) back country touring has become increasingly popular in switzerland and equipment sales for touring has exploded. but here as well there seems to be some sort of disconnect meaning that traditional sport and ski retailers rarely sell touring equipment but stick to the traditional race models and mountaineering and outdoor shops carry back country touring skis. almost as if there were two type of customers i have purchased my first all mountain ski only two years ago after skiing for 35 years on race skis and skis for back country touring. and i can say that this has been a big change and improvement for me. skiing in the resort has become much more fun for me with a wider and more versatile all mountain ski. small jumps, going switch and so on. there is just so much more you can do with these skis comparing to the race models where it is all about pure power
I don't think the 90 was a great floater--too stiff. The 88 is more compliant, so goes with the flow a bit more. Same sizing applies to any Kendo version, we've found. Have fun! SE
Similar in some aspects, but they use very different shapes. Bent 90 has a much straighter sidecut, which helps it feel very agile in bumps, trees, and in certain park settings. The Mirus Cor has a drastically shorter turn radius, which gives it more preference for carving, and definitely a different feel than the Bent 90. It's one of those situations where, in a lot of ways, they will accomplish the same things, but feel very different doing so.
Awesome review! I always love free ride twin tips, but my friends mostly prefer staying in bounds on groomers. I also have a newborn daughter that I will be getting out on the slopes with as soon as she is ready. I am looking for a recommendation on a twin tip in this width range that will allow me to have confidence on groomers, but still offer the playfulness to hit jibs and ride switch. Much love from Western MA! 6’3” 215lbs
Everything you mentioned suggests the Revolt 95, a ski designed for park tricks and to grip well on groomers. I suggested 181 because you are 6’3 , 215 lbs., and you lose some effective edge to the twin tips. I’m 6’0”, 187 lbs., and I was going to buy a pair or 181’s, but then Coronavirus happened…The next size is 173, which is totally doable for you. It all depends on your ski length preference. Probably the Armada ARV’s, the Bent 90, or the Liberty Origin would more solid options. I hope this helps.
@@dick91p I appreciate all the advice! I have been eyeing the Bent 90s for all the hype, but I am unsure if they will be sufficient on the inevitable ice. I will definitely look into the armada and libertys. Thanks again!
Thanks again for your reviews! What would be the ski closest to Enforcer 104 Free I own and enjoy in this narrower 90 mm-ish category (not full twin-tip)? I am looking for the same unique blend of on-piste carving performance and playfulness of 104 Free in more manageable and less tiring format. Note, that Enforcer 88 and Kendo 88 did not work for me as they are demanding directional skis somewhat lacking 104 Free playfulness. I have Jeff's complexion, I am a directional all mountain skier with no park background. Thanks!
@@mikhailm4594 Yes, it's a bit more on the directional side with a flatter tail and a stiffer flex. The paulownia wood core is light but stiff, and the metal underfoot keeps it stable. But still a flatter tail for more directional and smooth performance than Ranger or QST, which are slightly more soft-snow and playful-oriented.
EX racer here. Looking for a ski that has the components to carve a turn and hook up well and also the ability to blow through junk and crud. I want it to be stiff, very little flex. Also a park vibe/all mountain ski. Which ski on this wall would you recommend ?
I think your best choice on this wall is the Ranger 90. The park vibe is the tough component. Nordica Enforcer 88 and Armada Declivity 92 are next tier choices.
@@joshsalinas9342 Yes! The Orb is interesting, it has a long turn radius and is pretty heavy--not quite as lively as the Serpo. th-cam.com/video/_nedrNOG-1A/w-d-xo.html
The QST has quite more of a freeride personality while the K2 is decidedly more front-side oriented with stronger carving power. The QST is quick and agile and is a wonderful floater while the K2 is lovely when comes to edge grip, clean and round turns, and more groomer skiing. Both are great, but it more depends on where you spend most of your time.
Noted that there is nothing from Rossignol on the wall? can't say I've seen you guys do an annual review over the year without an Experience 88... etc.
The Experience 86 will make it to the mid-80's comparison, and in the upcoming mid-100 video we have two Rossignols. We have not forgotten about them, but we've also been interested in seeing where certain ski companies have gaps or surplusses in their lines.
Greetings from the UK! Love these ski comparison videos that you guys prepare, really appreciate the effort you put in. I have the Kendo 88 from a couple of years back (with the titanal frame, 3D radius) Has the new version really changed THAT much from that model that it's worth checking out?
Thanks, Stephen! Once they went to titanal frame and 3D Radius, there's not a huge difference between then and 2023, but it is different. They made the 2023 more sophisticated for sure, with a tailored titanal frame and tailored carbon tips. They also shortened up the turn radius so it makes the new ski livelier and more agile. It's not a wholesale change from what you have, but it is a refinement.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the reply guys! Just wondering about Volkl Blaze 94. Are they not making that ski anymore. I loved it when I skied on it last year.
I contacted you a while ago. Regarding skis, but lost the message or comment, can you give me your best recommendations for me, here is my objective. Mid to mid high skier, no BD's, just calm skier, intermediate, but love to hit the bumps, bump and run, sharp turns in and out of moguls, don't like to get too much air, maybe a few inches, that's all, I do not ski fast downhills either, no more than 20 mph at the base, love trail skiing, would like to have light skis, unsure if they should be double tipped or not, probably no wider than 84 maybe ? I ski VT., NY, easily turnable, maybe 155's to 170 maybe ? Then your best recommendation for bindings. I am 6', 180, x baseball player, tennis, and cycling. There are so many choices in your reviews, I don't know which to choose. Also, do you have a shop near Killington ? Or a link where I can buy your recommendation ?
Kanjo 84, Dynastar M-Pro 85, Salomon Stance 84, and Black Crows Vertis all make fantastic options for your stats and application. We actually just bought Basin Ski shop in Killington, but you can always find our stuff online at skiessentials.com.
Some do, and there's a lot of information that you can get from a pretty quick google search. Check the manufacturer's website as well as their online catalogs. It's just a lot of data out there, and some companies make the choice to put it in while others are fine leaving it out.
Really just due to the fact they don't make anything that fits into this category! The Experience 86 Ti went into the "mid-80 mm" comparison. We went back and forth about whether to include the Black Ops 92, but opted not to in order to fit other skis in. We did have the Black Ops 98 in the 100 comparison. It's interesting when a certain brand doesn't have a ski for a particular category or width range, and also interesting when a certain brand has A LOT. For example, we're planning a powder comparison starting around 108 mm and up. K2 could have... I think 6 skis in that comparison?
(6'4", 190, 48 y/o, advanced/expert) I bought the Fischer 92Ti 185 at the end of last year from you guys (just before learning about the new line, btw) and took them out once at Okemo. I was with the kids mostly so couldn't put them through the paces. But I'm thinking hard about leaving them out west and getting a new pair for east. I'll have some weekends at Okemo and a week in Feb at Stowe. I demoed the Stance 90s 182 last year at Heavenly and had a great day. Admittedly, conditions were great and I was on my own so could do laps. But I took them into good snow in Mott Canyon and also fast down some groomers. Again, great conditions make any ski seem great, I guess, but I enjoyed them everywhere. My question: Stance 90 vs. Kendo 88...the Stance 90 is now unchanged for a few years, correct? And the Kendo is newly updated? How do those two compare as a "daily driver" for the east? Is the Stance 90's technology slowly being eclipsed? Will they hold up on a crappy day? Ultimately, I want a ski that can really move but I like skiing the bumps and trees when I can. Realistically, though, there's only so much off-piste skiing one can do when limited to whatever conditions any given weekend affords; at this age, I'm not forcing myself into the trees when there's been no snow for a while, but I will get into the bumps. A third choice, lagging somewhat behind, is Stormrider 88 but I get the sense from the videos it's not likely to be as suited to non-groomer terrain. Thanks in advance.
HI Mike! The Stance is more versatile and well-rounded while the Kendo is a better on-trail and groomer choice. Stance carves great, don't get me wrong, but the new Kendo has more of that slice and dice mentality. Have fun! SE
im 168cm tall , weight 83KG , intermediate to advanced , enjoy groomers but also off piste in the trees ect , could anyone help me narrow down my first ski, thanks in advance
You can't go wrong with the Elan Ripstick 88. Does it all, is fairly light, and has a high ceiling. I'd go with that ski in the 164. Have fun! www.skiessentials.com/2023-elan-ripstick-88-skis-w-marker-griffon-13-id-bindings.html
I almost know more about ski construction then I do golf clubs now. You could of really messed with our feelings and removed the time stamp for this one especially concerning the Bent90. Bring back the “what’s in your quiver” series !!!
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Jeff - I think your skiing video of the Enforcer 88 did it perfect justice - you basically can do whatever you want on the ski. I would like to relay a story about the ski to highlight everything you said about it. At the end of last season, before attending the U14 NorAms (SL, GS & SG) we took our daughter's friend out for a fun day on the hill and he skied my partner's 172 Enforcer 88s (this boy is a Top 10 skier in Canada at SL/GS/SG). On this one run, he launched it full speed off a steep and landed at least 50feet down the hill, and he then proceeded to enter a currently unused icy GS course and absolutely killed it - it was incredible to watch the angles and speed he took through the course - I was in awe - and so were the coaches, not from his club, who happened to be standing around at the bottom of the gates watching this kid on Enforcer 88s do what he was doing - it was a mind blow. If you have the skill, the ski can do anything. I thought I was a good skier until I watched what this kid could do.
Thanks, Paul!
We agree in that being able to put a story behind an experience is very helpful in conveying the personality and character of a ski. Also, watching very, very good skiers can be a humbling experience. Talk soon,
SE
I went for a 188cm Elan rip stick 88 with look pivot bindings based on watching most of your videos. They arrived on Saturday and I went skiing on an indoor slope on Sunday. I have found my skiing nirvana with this combination. Thank you. I could not be happier. I can’t wait for skiing season.
GREAT choice! You're going to have a blast on that setup. So good. Such a nice flex pattern it's really enhanced by the Pivot, IMO. Enjoy!
I also just bought the Ripsticks 88 at 180 based on your videos. First ski purchase!
im 186 adn 100kg, im in love with elan but idk if they will curve so well, what you guys think?
mayby head core with more stiffnes would be better for me
@@bernardciak , I am 190cm and a few kgs heavier. I think they are great. I went skiing a week ago for a week and had a blast, except for the icy bits. So you have to be a bit ginger and careful with them, especially compared to my old power track 84s. They really love moguls, crud and powdery pistes. They have given me the confidence to do jumps.
First!
Holy cow, every year I think the engineering and technology/materials can't get better, and here we are in 2022 with a lot of amazing skis, including several new ones, on the wall.
There's a lot of people out there who work very hard to change even the subtlest of things on these skis. Pretty soon, we'll just all be levitating down the hill.
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@@SkiEssentials 🤣😂I'm dead. 🪄🎿⛷
Such great contents here! You guys are quite creating culture around ski technology!!! Even though i am looking for my one and only pair, i enjoy watching all your comparison videos... Definitly learning so much from you! Thanks and bravo! :)
Thanks, Agnes!
Good luck in your search!
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Brilliant as ever. Thank you guys for all your hard work. Greetings from the UK. Simon
Thanks, Simon! It's a lot of fun!
Guys, please do 80 and 85 mm comparison! Thanks for the professional videos so far - it's always great to hear your informed opinions about the new skis each year!
Thanks!
The mid-80's is likely next on the list!
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Bob looks shredded! Heck yeah 💪
ahhhh the pre-season ski roundups are rolling in, almost as good as winter itself!
Almost, but not quite! The anticipation is killer, though, isn't it?
Great overview of these skis. One request: could you do a more substantial intro on these types of videos? What are the ideal use cases for this style ski?
Noted!
Recently picked up the Armada Declivity 92s, due to your reviews! Keep up the great work, you made my job easier 😎
Such great skis. Have a great winter!
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Such a great ski! I was compelled by this SE team reviews last year and so happy w the declivity 92s. Thanks guys
@@tomdolan8858 hi Tom. If you don't mind me Asking what are your stats. Looking at the the declivities 92s myself in the 180s. I am 183cm, 87kg, advanced skier. piste and crud skiing
Hey guys, love your videos. I watch them all the time to get an idea of what ski is for me. I have a question for you guys. I'm looking for a new ski, and I've narrowed my selection down to the Salomon QST 92's, and the K2 Mindbender 89TI's (both 2023 versions). I'm an intermediate skier looking for a ski that will allow me to take the next step. I live in Ontario, so most of my skiing is done on the east coast (Holiday Valley, Mont Tremblant, etc) with a trip out west once a year. I ski 90% on piste but I want to get my skills up to a level where I'm comfortable doing more off piste stuff. Can you recommend one ski over the other to achieve that? Both skis are the same price so that's not really an issue, just trying to figure out which ski is better for me. Currently I'm leaning to the QST's just because like Bob said they're a great ski if you don't know what you want, but I'm not 100% sure. Any help is appreciated!
Thanks!
I think you'll have greater success and happiness overall in the QST 92. The main reasoning here is that the K2 can feel pretty demanding, especially in the tail--the QST 92 is friendlier overall while still retaining a high performance ceiling. If you were advanced/expert and looking for more solid on-trail performance, I'd likely steer you the other way, but given your intended application and stats, the QST 92 seems to make more sense. Have fun!
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Hello guys great video as well, i tried 2years ago kastle mx88 and stockli stormrider88, two types of different ski, Kastle when you carving is smooth and give you the confidence you need and willl answer perfectly from the strength u put on it... stockli more bounce and less forgiving my opinion, so i had a pair m6 mantra and now i'm hesitating between two ski, and i would appreciate can if you suggest me which choice i should go between kastle mx88 and mx98 like i said i tried one time the kastle mx88 in 180cm i felt in love but im hesitating with mx98 get closer too mantra m6 and the lengt from the ski i dont know if i should choose between 180cm or 187cm im 6,2 and around 186lbs i'm a ex ice hockey player who know to ski since kid, hockey with skate and carving help a lot with ski by the way..
Thank you!
If you have the Mantra, I'd say the 88 is a better choice. I would think if you are aggressive and fast, the 187 will hold up better, but if you appreciate more across the fall line carves, the 180 still has a very sturdy build. If you're looking to ditch the Mantra and get one pair, I'd get the 98.
Hey guys, been watching your videos for a couple of seasons now. For someone looking to compare different options, you guys offer by far the most comprehensive reviews across the widest range. Thanks so much for the high quality, detailed output. Top notch stuff! I’d like to ask you for some personal guidance on ski selection. What is the best format in which to do so?
Thanks Mike!
Right here is good for general knowledge and information, but if you have a specific question about ordering or pricing, please call 877/812/6710.
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Ok, here goes!
Stats: 5’10”, 170 lbs, 56 yrs old as of yesterday, Advanced skier
Locale: 85% PA (=man made ice), annual trips to VT (Stowe for the first time this year!) and/or out west
Current ski: 10 year old K2 Rictor 174 cm (127/80/109. 16M radius)
What I seek: I’ve been skiing for 44 years now with a few years as an instructor thrown in. Not quite an expert but an advanced skier who skis nearly 100% of a big mountain. I don’t tour, and don’t really ski out of bounds. I’ve improved my technique greatly these last couple of seasons as a pertains to carving. I really enjoy it on these skis though they do have a top end above which they are not stable. However, my concern is on the other end of the spectrum. These skis have begun to feel very heavy to me and are not particularly playful in quick turns at the edge of the slope or in the trees. (Maybe it’s just my advancing age!) After watching your reviews, I’m thinking I’d like something a little wider, maybe the 88 to 92 range that is lighter, more forgiving, and more snappy/playful. I want something that I can still lay down some nice curved turns on, but doesn’t require me to ski them at high energy levels all day either. I’m not much of a bump skier, but I do like the trees and short quick turns on occasion. And, a little more float for those rare snow days would be appreciated. I do think that weight reduction is probably one of the keys to this formula.
I’ve narrowed down my choices to 8 skis, but would love to hear your suggestions first. Thanks in advance for your help!
@@mikeprice1875 Here's my top three for you: K2 Mindbender 89Ti, Fischer Ranger 90, and Dynastar M-Pro 90. Any of those line up with what you've got?
@@SkiEssentials yes! Except the M pro. My list from this comparison includes the Ripstick 88, maverick 88 TI, declivity 92 TI, Ranger 90, mind bender 89 TI and 90c and the QST 92, initially. However, to whittle it down, I was thinking I would remove the Ranger and mindbender due to weight. Also, I fear the QST may be a little less ski from a curving standpoint than I need here on the bullet proof Pennsylvania hard pack. Curious to know your thinking in picking those skis, and what you think of my picks. I’m also curious to know how the skis all compare with their upsized brethren. Thinking Ripstick 96, maverick 95, ranger 96. Thanks so much!
@@mikeprice1875 I love how you pick 7 skis on that wall--I think it just goes to show that there are so many good options. In terms of my thinking for these picks, I mean, we do this all day, so it's basically second nature, but you provided an elaborate and accurate painting of yourself as a skier, so it makes it that much easier. With more width, you get more mass. I find that with carbon-powered skis, the wider skis work better than those with metal, like the Maverick and Ranger. I like the Ripstick 96 a lot more than the 88, but can't quite say the same thing for the other two. I think you're in the right spot with the ~90's, and I'd still keep that M-Pro in consideration along with the Declivity for sure.
Hi Jeff&Bob, one more great review. Last year I bought Stance 90 in 176 after watching your review. It helped me progress a lot this season. My carving improved, fear of speed gone. I can conside myself close to advanced. Which skis will be natural progression after stance 90? 5'7" 150lb age 50 mostly midwest 80% groomers.
Also which ones of these can be used for small jumps? Not too crazy.
Hi! That's excellent! So glad to hear you enjoyed the Stance. I would say it depends what direction you want to take your skiing, or in what aspect you want to improve. You could, for instance, get something a little stiffer, narrower, more precise, and continue to build on your carving prowess. On the other hand, you could get something with a little more tail rocker, or maybe a twin tip, and start venturing into new terrain. If you're looking to do some jumps, I'd go the twin tip/tail rocker path. You could also do something like keep the Stance 90 and get a wider ski like the Salomon QST 98!
@SkiEssentials Thanks for the response. I have been considering Enforcers, Orb, Serpo, Declivity, Experience 86 ti for next season. Opinion?
@@JayantW55 So my general thoughts there are that all those skis are, in the grand scheme of things, relatively similar. Experience 86 Ti would be a good example of a ski that would help take your carving to another level as it is more focused on carving-specific performance, but the others in your list basically feel like alternatives to the Stance 90 you have. I'd take some time to think about where you want to take your skiing. Where do you want to improve, what goals do you have? Make a list and it should help steer you at least towards a certain genre of skis.
@SkiEssentials Thanks for that reply. So last week-end I did lot of fast carving on my old Volkl RTM 81s. I think I got them in 2017. I think that's what I want to do more going forward. Just charge harder.
Hi guys, love your videos so much!
Could you suggest regarding Salomon QST 92. My height is 185cm, would it be ok with 184 ski size?
I think the 184 would be fine. Very crisp and maneuverable, so fine to go about head high on that ski.
Hey Guys, love the video as usual! Do you have any recommendations for an "old guy" ski? My dad loves skiing groomers but is on the heavier side, so we're looking for something that's doesn't require as much energy to ski and can support a bigger skier. Thanks in advance!
Hey Matt! Sorry for the delay getting back to you. If he's on the heavier side, a lot of those skis with metal in their construction would be great. Stance 90 feels like a really good one, or Enforcer 88. His heavier weight kind of negates the more demanding nature of those skis, as it'll be easier for him to flex. Black Crows Serpo comes to mind too. Brahma and Kendo are probably a bit too much. Their shape is less forgiving. I'd put Stormrider 88, Ranger 90, and Mindbender 89Ti in there as options as well. Hope that helps! Sorry again for the slow reply, busy time of year around here and just getting caught up on these comments and questions.
Hey love the video
I rented the Mavs 88ti on the weekend and they felt insanely good
I just can't seem to find them in stock anywhere what ski would be the next good fit
Would the bent feel the same?
www.skiessentials.com/2023-atomic-maverick-88-ti-skis-w-tyrolia-attack-14-gw-bindings.html
Good work as usual guys.
I ski Enf88 and Brahma in the 179/7cm. Demoed Kendo last month here in NZ and agree it fits between the two above in feel and application. After having the other 2 it didn't wow me as being much different but I have the spectrum covered from both fun and fast angles obviously.
Maybe the Volkl is the best one ski fit, if you only can have one 88mm ski 😉
Enjoy your season.
Not a bad choice at all!
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Love the videos. No one else doing anything like this online.
Question: Im 45M / 6Ft 230, beginner/Intermediate Skier. I'm skiing mostly Colorado. So far Ive just done resort groomers but am interested in exploring off groomer skiing at some point. Would any of these be better than any others for me? Should I go wider or narrower maybe?
Accidentlaly posted this on the 2022 video as well so disregard please.
The good news about these skis is that they are really great at blurring the line between front side and all-mountain. If you're a progressing skier in the intermediate zone, I'd say the Black Crows Captis, Elan Ripstick, and Salomon QST 92 make a lot of sense. That gives you a good span of 88, 90, and 92 mm underfoot skis to choose from that are all very good at versatility and fun. Maybe price, availability, and color will sway your final choice? Have fun!
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Great video, really like these and the balanced approach to reviewing.
I still own a pair of Salomon Pocket Rockets from 2002 and have yet to find something as fun and versatile as those (carve well, great almost anywhere off piste and light enough for touring). They do snap easily and they don’t handle hard pack so well that said. Of the skis you have here or from the 100mm category is there anything that you feel can match the Pockets for fun and versatility whilst beating them for harder pack groomers?
There's some great mid to upper 90's twins in this range, so the Nordica Unleashed 98, Black Crows Camox, Rossignol Blackops 98, and Dynastar M-Free 90 or 99. Of those the Unleashed is the most capable carver while being pretty darn versatile. We just did an on-snow video of that ski if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/vu1dOnu9xyM/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video. Looking forward to the 80mm comparison 👍
Still waiting on a few key models to show up for that one, but yes, it's on the short list!
Hi Jeff and Bob-Thanks for continuing to do these ski by ski reviews within groups. Just wondering if you are going to do a 93-99 group or not? Did I miss it? I know you have done pows and 100's. Thanks.
We did it!
www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2023-ski-comparisons-mens-mid-90-mm-all-mountain-ski-guide/
Hey boys! You guys prefer the enforcer 88 or the kendo 88? Looking for something 80/20 piste/off piste. I’m 6’4” 220 advanced to expert. Looking for that carving ski that can go off side hit every once in awhile and maybe plow through some crud. Thanks!!
At 6/2 225, I'm right there with you. I prefer the Kendo these days, and I own an Enforcer 88. The Kendo has a bit more of a turny personality and feels lighter than the Enforcer, putting it a bit more in the maneuverable side, but still super sturdy. I had a total blast on the Kendo in the 184. 2:40 in this video was some of my favorite skiing of the year: th-cam.com/video/ONhAMC86R5M/w-d-xo.html
Hi guys, great review.
Wanted to ask your opinion after some researches I made found 3 interesting pairs, enforcer 88, kendo 88 and qst92.
Im 171cm weight 73kg Im intermidiate/advanced skier with experience of 4 years every year 15 days, like sport, feel good carving 50-60 kph.
What do u think about this skis for me and in particular in 165 length.
I think about 70%carving on grummers but want to start research a bit off piste.
If u could recommend a different pair for me also would be happy but take my high and ski length under considaration.
Thank you.
If off-piste adventure is becoming part of your game, I'd take a square look at the QST 92. The other two are fantastic groomer skis, but are fairly unfriendly if you're venturing off-trail. The QST has a great blend of attributes, from a grippy and poppy feel on the groomers to a fun-loving and easy-going nature when the snow gets softer or the terrain gets more interesting.
Hi, I am trying to decide on a ski purchase this week...here are the contenders..Elan Wingman 86 CTI Fusion X, Volkl Deacon 84, Volkdo Kendo 88 and Elan Ripstick 88. I live in Pittsburgh but will have more skiing days in Colorado this year in January and March..total days out west 11..vs probably 5 at home. I am in mid 60's and have been skiing for 58 years...not as aggressive as in the past...mainly groomed slopes (east) and hopefully more powder west... real thoughts on what I should by...5'8 and 200lbs. Thanks
I think the Ripstick 88 makes the most sense, especially if you're mainly in CO and are less aggressive than you've been. They carve really well with a strong edge grip, and while it's no Kendo in terms of stability at speed, it's pretty darn good. I think this makes more sense than the more front-side oriented skis on your list. I'd go with the Ripstick 88 in the 172, unless that sounds a bit long.
Fantastic video! Thank you for all the quality content, it helps me a lot with choosing my ski's. I've skied a lot when I was young but switched to a snowboard (about 15 years ago), now I want to pick up ski's as well and I would like to know if I've made the right choice (I've skied 1 day, lasy year and loved it, it felt like a never stopped skiing).
I'm 184 cm (+/- 6 feet) and 90 kg (+/- 200 lbs) I've a lot of experience on the slopes as well as off piste. I'll ski mainly on slopes tho, in europe. I think the Atomic Maverick 88 TI would be the best choice for me. I'm just not sure about the length, could you maybe give me some advice? I think I should go for the 176 or the 180, but I'm not sure.
Thanks in advance and keep up the good work!
It's a great ski! I would say the 176 makes the most sense for your stats and application. It's a pretty stable ski, so there's no real need to upsize to access performance. Have fun!
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Glad I came across you guys. You’re putting out some really great content.
Who would you say wins for frontside carver out of all these? Looking for an all star crisp morning groomer with forgiving edge on a soft afternoon.
It's an easy question until you bring forgiveness into the equation! As is often the case, the better carvers are typically the more unforgiving skis. I would say Kendo 88 and Brahma 88 are the best carvers in this group, but they are also the least forgiving. Skis like the Stance 90, Enforcer 88, and Declivity 92 Ti aren't too far behind in carving prowess, in fact arguably better for a less aggressive skier, but they do bump up the forgiveness factor in variable snow, so might be worth looking to those skis.
Hello guys, thank you very much for your videos, great stuff. I would like to ask for some advice, I have been skiing for 13 years, but since I arrived in Switzerland,I have gained a lot of experience both on piste and off piste. Every day I'm more and more interested in doing off piste if the conditions allow me to do so, but in Switzerland that doesn't always happen, so I'm looking for versatile skis on which I can progress my technique on piste but above all that are suitable for off piste and improve my technique there if the conditions allow me to do so. I like speed and short turns. I 29yo, 5’8”, 183 lb. Thank you very much!
it's tough to look past something like the Volkl Kendo for your application. Very stable and smooth at speed but also has versatility and a nice short turn radius. On the slightly more maneuverable side, check out K2's Mindbender 89Ti. I'd say the high 160's to low 170's in terms of length would work great.
hello guys! between Elan Ripstick 88 and Head Kore 87 which one you would recommend? i love carving on the piste but i would also like to improve my skills off piste and have more time in the powder
Replied to your other comment, but leaving my reply here as well for others to see:
Both are fun skis, the biggest difference is flex pattern. The Ripstick is much softer, which feels more playful off-piste and allows for easier control of carving radius, but not as stable at speed. Kore is far stiffer, which makes it very responsive and reactive, but it can be harder to bend and slightly more "punishing" if you make a mistake in off-piste terrain. Both could work, although from your description I get the sense the Ripstick may be a better choice as it's easier and more forgiving off-piste.
Hi SE team, I'm looking at the QST 92, I'm low to mid intermediate, 5'11" 205#. Most my skiing is midwest. Is the 177 an okay length or should I go with a shorter length ski?
Thoughts on the Armada declivity 92ti?
Really looking for a forgiving/confident ski where I can grow. Thanks!
I think that's a great length for that ski. The Declivity will be more demanding and more powerful than the QST, but not quite as floaty or playful.
I’m 14, a pretty good skiier, and trying to decide between the 2023 Atomic Bent 90 (166cm) or the 2023 Salomon QST 92(168cm). I’m more of a playful skiier and I ski all around the mountain. I especially want to start getting good at the upper mountain/off-piste stuff. Your opinion would be appreciated. I’m also looking to get 2 seasons out of these. I am 5’7”, so would these lengths be good for that? Thanks guys! 🙏
I have heard some people I wont be able to handle the QST because it is stuffer. But isn’t it made of a poplar wood core just like the Bents? I also demoed stiffer skis before (Volkl Kenja 88), I am aware it is a women’s ski, but have heard it is a pretty stiff ski. Thanks again! 🙏
Playful skiers tend to gravitate towards the Bent while the QST and Kenja are on the stiffer side. QST has carbon in it as well as poplar, and the Bent uses a thinner overall profile, so that explains the difference in stiffness. For an off-piste focus and more playful skiing, the Bent probably makes more sense.
Coming from a 2022 atomic maverick 95. Looking for something a little softer for mogul/tree skiing but that still maintains some sturdiness/precision if that makes sense. Also will be used for powder days. Looking at the qst 92 or black crows captis. What do you think? Or should I go for something else?
Sure makes sense! I think both of your choices are fantastic. The QST will offer better on-trail sturdiness and performance while still holding its own in the bumps and trees. The Captis is slightly more playful, but other than that, the QST is about as complete a ski as they come.
Great stuff Jeff and Bob, love your content! I think the narrow all mountain / wide carving category around 80mm would be an absolute blast to round up the first three comparisons this year, probably covering the three most saught after categories.
Speaking so .. :) I'm a light weight (sub 60 kg), more on the aggressive side, expert skier. I'm mostly on the Kore 87. I think it's a great ski and you nailed it when you described it. However, i feel like i'm a little too light for it, i can bend it, but it takes quite some effort and with some sub-optimal knee conditions, i'm looking for something that has a high performance ceiling, but is a bit softer.
I was thinking about a low 80mm, more front side orientied, and something wider around the 90mm mark. I was thinking of the BC Divus plus X, could not find a video where you compared the Divus in terms of stiffness or gave it a bend, so i'm unsure about it. With your comments on the Ripstick in this video, and instantly thought that it would probably be a great replacement for my Kore, giving the conditions i'm in. But i also would not mind having 2 skis. What's your take on this? Don't take the mentioned skis as a "locked" in, i'm certainly open to any good recommendations from your side!
Thanks, Pat!
We'd love to do the 80, but not a lot of our stock is in at the moment for those skis. We'll likely have to circle back to that one in a few weeks. Until then, the Divus has been one of the most universally-loved skis over the past two years. it's quick and agile, and if I were to give it a hand-flex, it'd be somewhere close to a Volkl Deacon 80. I think something in that range would be good for a first pair, but would also be good for most days, in reality. You could also go a bit more front side with something like Blizzard Thunderbird R15 WB at 76 mm underfoot, and then a wider option, like Armada Declivity 92, or Dynastar M-Pro 90/99 depending on how wide you want to go. Hope that helps!
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@@SkiEssentials Thanks for getting back. Looking forward for the 80s when you're ready for it :)
I own a QST 98 for the fresh snow days, so just looking for a replacement of my Kore, and if i'll go with 2 or just one ski. I had an eye on the R15 WB sine you've put your 2022 review out, but i think i'd like to go a little wider and softer. I'll probably have to think through some scenarios and wait for a few more 2023 comparisons to come out :)
After trying Ranger 102's and loving them but not looking for something as aggressive to enjoy the mountain I'm really considering the Ranger 90 as my ski of choice.
I think the Ranger 90 is a great ski that's unfortunately overshadowed by the 96, 102, 108, etc. Great value, fun to ski, very versatile.
Between the Kendo, KORE and the Ripstick all the 88’s what would you say would be a better ski for me. I am 5’11” I average around 200lbs and I am an advanced aggressive skier. One more thing I do want a playful ski that I can throw around when needed.
Thank you so much for these great videos. I ski in the Pacific Northwest and am going to ski more early season harder pack groomers and front side due to my child ski racing. I own a 104 enforcer free.
Based on this looking at the enforcer 88 or volkl kendo. Whenever there is more snow. I’ll grab the enforcer. I am an upper advanced level skier. If I love the enforcer line. But want more of a front side ski… what would your recommendation be?
Hi Ryan!
I found the Kendo to be a more compliant carver than the Enforcer 88. If you go with the Nordica, you know what you're getting, but the Volkl adds another dimension in terms of race-like feel and totally confident edge grip. I think the 104 and Kendo makes a fantastic combination. Have fun!
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Hi guys, many thanks for the awesome reviews!! I'm 27yo, 6’10”, 187 lb, advanced skier, usually skiing in Europe groomers but love to go off-piste when I can (which is whenever there is just enough snow hehe) I usually prefer a more agressive short turn style and last year really enjoyed skiing the Brahma 88, but wanted your opinion on the Brahma versus the Atomic Maverick 88, which I havent tried yet. Which one would you recommend? Thanks!
Or which 2-3 would you recommend given my weight/height & style? Many thanks!!
The Brahma is a heavier ski that likes to be used at higher speeds while the Maverick 88 is quite a bit lighter and more agile. The quickness of the Maverick stands out for sure, but it's not quite as stable or sturdy as the Brahma. If you liked the Brahma, the Maverick feels a bit less rugged.
Volkl Kendo, Rossignol Experience 86Ti, and Salomon Stance 90 are worth a look as well.
Great Reviews as always guys, How does the 2023 Stockli SR88 compare to my 2016 SR88?
The new ski is more flexible and engaging. This does not mean it's worse or lower-performing, rather the range of performance and capabilities have been increased.
Hi, nice reviews ! love to watch your vids. I have a question for you, I'm an intermediate/advanced skier, 6' , 220 lb. I'm from Quebec, so i'm mainly skiing on hard pack/icy slope. So i was wondering what you would recommend for me ! Thx a lot for your help !
Hi Eric!
I'd take a square look at Kendo, MX 88, and the new K2 89Ti. The Kastle is the most carving oriented while the Kendo is right behind. If you're looking to take a little bit off the performance ceiling, the K2 is still a wonderful carver with a versatile flair. You can't go wrong with any of these, but I think the Kendo is holding a special place in my heart this year. Have fun!
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Amazing in-depth review guys, thanks so much for all the work you put into this!
I’m looking forward to the “low-mid 80s” review myself.
I’m 54yo, 5’10”, 210 lb, inter/advanced, carving, forgiving and fun rather than fast is what I’m looking for these days.
I loved the Elan Wingman I used last season, even more than the Kendo 88 i had a few weeks before that.
Mainly groomers but the ability to deal with crappy soft stuff at the end of the day as well is what I’m looking for.
I also have past injuries in both knees and one ankle, so light weight is something I value. I’d be really interested to hear your recommendations for me…
Low 80's is a great place to be, and definitely an overlooked category. A lot of skis in this one blur the front side and the all-mountain. Wingman 82 CTi, for example, is a wider front side ski while the Brahma 82 is a narrower all-mountain ski. I think you are looking for wider front side, so Wingman, Volkl Deacon 80, Stockli Montero AX, and Rossignol Experience 82 are all great options. If you go with Experience 82 Basalt over Ti, you're saving weight, but at the expense of performance. Hope that helps!
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@@SkiEssentials that’s really helpful, thanks. You guys are the best!
I ended up going with the Elan Ripstick 88 - i love it!
How does the Ranger 90 compares to the Rustler 9? I'm looking at 164-172 for the current Rustler so 92mm underfoot. They seem pretty similar to me. Could you please highlight the main differences between the two skis? It would be really helpful to me. Thanks!
I have found a better connection to the Rustler 9, mainly because it's a cleaner turner and a bit more precise. The Ranger is more damp, and has a slightly sturdier feel, but I prefer the energy and responsiveness of the Rustler.
Love these comparison videos! Hoping you can help me make a decision on a set of skis and a length. Currently skis: super old (15 yrs?) pair of Volkl Karma twin tips (177 : 119/87/111 - 20 radius) I’m an advanced skier living in MN but try to get out West as much as possible, love to charge fast down black groomers, hitting the trees when snow is good and struggling to be better in the bumps. Early 40’s - 6’ and 175lbs. Current top of the list Declivity 92Ti, Exp 86 Ti, Ripstick 88, Stance 90, Enforcer 88 and to make it even harder the Declivity 82! Want something that can hold an edge, be stable on groomers at speed, handle some powder but soft & forgiving in off piste terrain too. Essentially be perfect at everything 😉🤣
I think your Stance 90 makes a lot of sense. It's sturdy and strong but not overpowering--loves to carve clean and round turns on a variety of snow surfaces. I'd put Declivity 92 right there with it--perhaps 82 is narrow. The narrower Rossignol leans a bit more to the front side, while the Ripstick may not deliver the stability that you're looking for. Enforcer is a bit burly and stiff--I think you can narrow focus to the Declivity and the Stance. Perhaps pricing, availability, and graphics will ultimately sway your decision?
@@SkiEssentials Awesome! Thank you! Curious if you can recommend a length given height/wt/ability and preferences above. Declivity 92 Ti 172/180/188 or Stance 90 176/182/188 past skis were a 177 which held up well with speed but felt long in the bumps but that's probably due to lacking proper technique.
I’m 45 years old 6’3 245 lbs groomer skier that likes to push hard and ski fast. I own a older 2015 bonafide but looking for a 88 range in width ski. That being said would you recommend Kendo or Brahma? Thanks
If you like the overall character of the Bonafide, the Brahma is a more seamless choice, but if you're looking for something a bit more agile and energetic, the Kendo is just that ski. It's a bit more risky than going Brahma, but I prefer the Kendo over the Brahma ever so slightly.
This may not be the right format but wanted to gauge your thoughts on the best ski in this lineup for someone like me:
I am 6'1", 200lbs. Solid Intermediate skier, wanting to improve. I currently ski a pair of Salomon QST 85's that i got about 5 years ago. They're not bad but I am curious if there is something better. I am looking to go a bit wider for stability but still be versatile and playful. Live in Colorado and that is where I do almost all of my skiing. I was considering the QST 92's in this lineup as well as the Kendo and the Head Kore. Curious to know if there are others in this lineup that you'd recommend as well. Really great video, thank you for the info!
You're in the right space! The natural progression from your QST 85 is to the 92. It's not only wider, but also a lot better. While the 85 was somewhat basic (and effective!) in its build and shape, the 92 takes it to the next level for sure. If you're in Colorado and like the overall character of the Salomon, it's tough to go against the 92. That said, if you're looking to jump another level of performance, then go Kendo. Kore is great, but doesn't do it for everyone. I'm a fan of the 93 and 99, but find the 87 to be a bit light and chatty at 6/2 225 pounds. Dynastar M-Pro 90 is another solid choice that has a big upside. Hope that helps!
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Hi Jeff great review, been waiting for the 90mm wall after seeing this years 100mm last week, looking for something off this wall for my next pair of skis for this winter. Am drawn by the maverick 88Ti but wondering whether they would be the best choice, am 170cm tall ,95kg and ski Europe at an advance level and spend 80% + of my time frontside. Would appreciate your thoughts plus recommendations on length to get.
Hi Paul!
Maverick 88 Ti has an amazing blend of edge grip, quickness, and sharp-turning acumen. Volkl Kendo and M-Pro 90 should also be in the top three--way more similarities than differences in those models. I'd say the mid 160's to 170 is a good size range to be in based on your stats and application. Have fun!
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@@SkiEssentials thanks guys, much appreciated!
Hey fellas,
Thank you so much for your amazing content!
Wanted to ask for a recommendation on skis.
185lbs advanced skier, looking for east coast daily driver. Like to go in the trees whenever I can but want something versatile and agile. Currently have a ranger 94 FR which is great but looking for something like it but with a bit more edge grip and power to help with east coast ice. Still want some playfulness but don’t think I want to burn my legs out with an enforcer. Was looking at: ripsticks all models, serpo, maverick 88ti/95 ti, head kore, stance 90. Thoughts?
Thank you!
Thanks, Michael!
I think the 88's are a great place to be for eastern one-ski options. Ripstick 88 and Maverick 88 jump out at me as top options on your list. If you're leaning more to the grip and the carvy side of the spectrum, the Maverick makes good sense, but for more of a playful, quick, and agile option, the Ripstick is about as good as it gets.
Ok, First time ski buyer. Intermediate growing into advanced. Out of this set what ski suits me the best. Ski in europe so conditions range need both groomers and trail stuf. Cheers, love the vids
HI Tom!
I think the Ripstick 88 is a good lighter option while the Salomon QST 92 makes for a great wider and more sturdy ski. If you're looking for agility and quickness, go with the Elan, but for more power and flotation, the Salomon is about as well-rounded as it gets. Have fun!
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Great review! I've watched so many of your videos but still trying to decide between Kendo 88, M6 Mantra, Enforcer 88/94, and Maverick 95 TI. they all seem quite similar(?!), but I'd prefer to get something that is very confident at carving hard/icy groomers with occasional deeper snow use. Is M6 a good choice or should I go for a different one - the 96mm doesn't lack grip?
Size wise I'm 174cm tall, 65kg, advanced hard-charging skier, and guess 177 length would be better than 170cm? Thanks a bunch!!
The M6 does not lack grip. I think you should stick to the mid-90's rather than the 88's for your application. I'd narrow focus to the M6 and the Enforcer, with the Mantra being the better carver and the Enforcer as more versatile for softer snow while still being an absolute ripper on the groomers. The main difference between the lengths is the turn shape--if you go 170, the arc tightens up a bit for sure, so it more depends if you want to be more comfortable in shorter turns or if you want it to be easier to let them run. I'd say the 170 is a better overall choice, but I'm not going to talk out out of a longer ski if that's what you prefer. Have fun!
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@@SkiEssentials happy to hear that about M6, I used to have Scott Punisher in 108mm for many years, and I'd occassionally get washed out of a turn if I'm pushing it too hard on groomers, and I fear(ed) the same for any ski above ~90mm waist width including the M6.
On that note, I skied Punisher in 183 cm length, which was more driving me than I was driving the ski - so later I got Volkl Revolt 121 in 177 cm which seems just right! I sold a Bentchetler 100 in 172cm as it felt too short for me - thus my inclination to go for 177cm, unless you think it's too stiff for that lenght and that it's rather the softer flex in Bentchetler & Revolt that made me think I'd need a ski longer than 172cm?
Also, I loved the Bent but it lacker stability/length especially in crud or heavier powder, so I considered Maverick 95 TI initially, but figured if I'm skiing anything other than powder, it's going to mean the piste is hard too, thus M6 would be better choice as it's a better carver but hopefully not lacking the fun factor of the Maverick?? Thanks again for your time reading these Qs and answering, much appreciated and looking forward to your reply so I can pin on that length (or even switch to Maverick if you think it's much more fun) !! :)
@@mkrnjic2612 We just covered the Maverick/Mantra distinction in our mid-90's comparison video, and basically came to a similar conclusion. Mantra is not as playful as Maverick, but is quite a bit more powerful. The lightness of the Maverick puts it in a slightly different category in terms of maneuverability and agility.
Enforcer fan here. If only had to choose one, the Enf 94 is really good at pretty much everything and sounds like it would suit your type of application. Def demo, great ski.
In comparison to the Mantra, I have an Enf in the 88 too and preferred it as still more versatile but equal edge strength to the 2023 Kendo 88 which I demoed last month if that helps.
I'm your weight, but slightly taller and the 179cm works well for me.
Bob? You're looking pretty ripped ! Way too go man!
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Hey, could you go a bit deeper into the comparison between the QST 92 and the Blade Optic 92? As you said they seem quite similar but I have a hard time grasping what the advantages/disadvantages of the skis are compared to one another. Which one is better on soft snow, which one is better on hardpack? Which one is better for a carving style which one is better for more of a smearing and playful style? Which is more aproachable and which is better if I want to progress my skiing from high intermediate?
Looking for 50/50 on piste/off piste. Regular fresh snow but mostly not very deep. I want to ski glades this winter. Thanks for your reviews!
You'll find a lot more similarities than differences between those skis. One of the biggest differences, though, is the weight and sturdiness. The tips and tails of the Line are more flexible than those of the QST, which is a bit more consistent from tip to tail in terms of flex. While the QST is quite turny, it isn't quite as quick or maneuverable as the Line, which is uncommonly agile for skis in this range. That makes the QST a better pure carver while the Line needs to be finessed more to get the same type of performance. I'd say the Line is more approachable due to the swing weight, and makes for a slightly easier ski in the glades. It sounds to me like you are leaning to the Line, but just slightly.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks so much for your detailed answer! I will go for the Blade Optic 92 175cm at 6ft 160lb I think.
1:27:33 My situation is very relatable to this. Same height, weight, level and goals. Mainly on piste. I've been tossing up between Brahma 88, Rustler 9, Elan Wingman 86 and recently the Kendo 88. There are so many skis and options out there it's easy to get lost! I'm trying to demo the Brahma in 177 (your comments helped lock that decision for me) and the others at slightly longer length but I'm leaning towards the Brahma based on what I've read and heard. I kind of like that the ski has a reputation to humble poor form because getting solid form is my main goal. Can you think of anything I should keep in mind when I'm trying these or the others out? Any suggestions for an alternative ski I should try as well? Thanks!
Ha! There are a lot of options for sure. You're in a pretty good spot for a mainly on-piste ski, with the Wingman sticking out as the best carver of the group. Brahma is very solid and stable, but isn't quite as fun when the snow gets soft or the terrain gets tight--that's where Rustler 9 starts to stand out. Kendo is more like Brahma. You will likely find that the Wingman is on the stiff side and that it is quite demanding while the Kendo/Brahma are the next level down, but not by much, all the while increasing versatility.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks heaps for getting back to me :) I'm taking a closer look at the 2024 Rustler 9 in 180 and 186 now. My only concern is that it might be a bit wide for me but it sounds like it could be a good middle ground for what I'm looking for. I'm also still a bit divided on length at 180 or 186 at my level and size though
@@turbo66 I think the width is offset/balanced by the maneuverability, making it feel like a narrower and more agile ski, especially on groomers. For length, it's okay to size up if you're in the middle--I didn't find it overly demanding in any respect.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the advice! I've demo'd the Brahma (177) and the Rustler 9 (180). Oh boy the Brahma was a lot of ski! Super solid and took more concentration to keep on it (lets not talk about how wrecked I was the next day either). The Rustler oddly felt shorter.. It was definitely easier to use too. Even though my weight suggests I should go a longer ski I think I'm leaning towards the 180cm Rustler and accepting that I'll lose some of the speed I felt with the Brahma, but gain more versatility on mountain. The 186cm Rustler would be 3cm above my head, where as the 180 is just below the top of my head and if I read your response to a comment on your site review that's where you want the Rustler lining up :)
Hey guys, I’m an Ontario skier, 6’0 220lbs currently ski on Super Shape Magnum 170’s but am looking for something a little more versatile and able to handle the crud late in the afternoon. Was thing about the Stance 90’s but not sure if this is the right fit? Any suggestions on what to look for?
I like to rip turns but also want to be able to just go out and cruise a well.
Great fit with that Stance. The 88-90mm range is a great place to be and to complement the Magnum. Stance has a nice mix of performance and accessibility for sure. Volkl Kendo is awesome at 88 mm underfoot, and we really like the new K2 Mindbender 89Ti with its shorter radius and more flexible personality than Kendo/Stance.
Hi, what would be the best ski in this category for me? I'm 6'2" 235lbs i would say i am a intermediate skier and spend most of my time on blue runs but like to get off trail occasionally here in Washington State. I don't blaze down the mountain, not an aggressive skier and like to make shorter turns and just have fun. I currently have some Line Prophet 98 Skis in 186CM and really like the dampness feel, stability and they way the cruise through the crud, they're over 10 years old and need to be replaced. What would feel closest to my Prophets? would the Mindbender 89 be similar in feel or maybe the QST92.
I'd say QST is a better match from an all-mountain and off-trail perspective. The K2 is stronger in the carving department, but if you're looking for more of a fun-loving personality, I'd stick to the QST.
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Great review guys! My local dealer has a great offer on last years volkl blaze, kendo88 and mantra m6. I would say I’m a pretty advanced skier, skiing more on than off piste. I would like the skis to be a bit playful and handle going in the trees/off piste. Any tips?
Of the 3 I've only skied the Mantra (M5 and the M6 102) but I might be able help you decide if it will or wont work for you. They're a stable, fairly stiff directional ski that likes going fast. They carve turns beautifully but they aren't super playful. That said, they have a ton of rocker (I measured 60 cm decambered on my M5, the same as my Revolt 121) which makes them super loose with the bases flat. Manipulating your edge angle lets you control if you want the ski to bite or drift and lets you maneuver them through all kinds of off piste terrain. They're far from the best in bumps but you can certainly take them off trail and have some fun
If you're looking for off-piste, I'd say the M6 is a nice mix of attributes.
When you say off trail are you referring to moguls, Un groomed,trees , bowls, all within the resort boundaries?
Off-trail is ungroomed/non-corduroy. Sometimes it's bumps, trees, bumps in trees, crud, chop, or even a groomer that hasn't been groomed in a few days. Mainly within resort boundaries.
How do the QST 92 and the Bent 90 compare to each other?
QST 92 is a lot looser thanks to longer rocker and more early taper. Bent 90 has a more energetic flex pattern, and also feels lighter. They accomplish similar things, but feel very different doing so.
just copped a pair of QST 92s today at 184cm. super stoked to try them out tomorrow, slapped some tyrolia attack 14s on them, should be a nice setup
Nice! Have an absolute blast!
I'm thinking about picking up the same combo and same size too. I have the QST98 in the 189cm size and love them so I'm hoping the QST92 in 184cm length will just be a hot rodded version
I live on the East Coast, already have K2 Disruption that I bought because of your reviews 2 years ago. They lack on days it is snowing heavily and I want to do moguls. Which one would best complete my quiver since I already have a pair of groomer skis?
I think the Black Crows Captis is right there as a playful option, but if you want a little more, you can check out the Salomon QST 92 as well--both great complements to a front side ski without going too far to the wide side. Have fun!
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Dang that dps pogoda rp 90 is perfect for my skiing style but there's no way I'm dropping a grand on skis lol. Picked up a pair of QST 92s instead, I'm hyped for winter! The new QST line is really really cool!
Retail price of QST 92: 549. RP 90: 1449 (prices subject to change). You're looking at almost a thousand MORE for that ski. It is not three times better. Rest assured, there's a lot of fun and happiness to be had on the QST 92--one of the best all-around skis on the planet.
Gotta fairly athletic friend moving from beginner to intermediate and looking to buy his first pair. He skis primarily Mt Hood. I was thinking something in the 90w category might be where to start looking. Any suggestions?
The Salomon QST 92 is a no-brainer type of ski. It is very versatile and approachable. If you want something with more of a business side to it, check out Black Crows Serpo. For a lighter and more agile ski, it's hard to go wrong with the Elan Ripstick 88. Have fun!
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@@SkiEssentialsThanks!
I have to comment on the Stormrider 88s. I have a pair of 2016 that are 177. They also have demo bindings with a full metal plate. My guess is that the skis were a lot heavier then. The only way I feel comfortable taking them through the moguls is when the moguls are hard. The tails of the skis are stiff and don't come out of a turn easily. That and there is a 19m turn radius. I absolutely love these skis on hard pack but hate them on soft. Maybe the newer stormriders are different. Also I have to learn how to go from carving to surfing.
The new SR are more flexible and approachable.
appreciate the inclusion of Faction, thanks guys 🔥
It's always nice to add a brand and get some new blood up on the wall. It seems like we've been talking about the Enforcers and Rustlers for 10 years!
Awesome job guys and love the replies in the comments. I'm new to skiing out west, used to skiing in the east on ice and chop, I will mostly ski on piste + some easy bowl skiing/glades, hoping to catch a little bit of pow too. I'm 6'7 and 210, intermediate and like to make quick turns/not usually bombing it. Any suggestions? Elan? Others?
Oh and previous years is also good. Definitely not looking to spend $1000+
There's a lot to like about the Ripstick 88 for sure. They're light and agile, but the carbon rods really make a big difference in terms of energy and edge grip. On the slightly sturdier side, I'd also check out the Salomon QST 92. It did change for the better for 2023, but we have a great deal on the also-awesome 2022 version: www.skiessentials.com/2022-salomon-qst-92-skis-w-tyrolia-attack2-14-gw-bindings.html
@@SkiEssentials thank you! Really appreciate the reply and seriously considering grabbing the QST from your site
Line Blade Optic 92 or Atomic Bent 90 for out west all mountain playfulness groomers and 10% trees?
The Line has a bit more grip and energy than the Bent 90. Great rebound and pop out of the Line for sure! I'd go that route slightly vs. Bent.
A question for Bob's ski phonics: is the new Kendo quieter than the old one? I like how it skied, but I thought it was a bit noisy and quite jarring on the knees...any thoughts?
The 2023 version sounds a lot like the 21-22, but not the older 90mm versions. For the most part, I appreciate the quieter skis like Liberty, Salomon, and Stockli, but the performance and feel of the Kendo overrules the phonics for me. As for the knees, I'm not sure I can do much about that!
SE/Bob
How Atomic Maverick 88Ti performance and characteristics compare to Nordica Enforcer 88?
Will you give my a quick review of how Stance 90 v Stance 96 compare
Hey Tom! Those skis are so similar in construction, sidecut, rocker profile, etc, it's basically just a difference in width. The 90 is going to be quicker edge to edge, the 96 a little better in soft snow. Should be fairly easy to decide between them, I would just focus on how often you're in soft snow vs how often you're skiing firmer groomers and let that guide your decision. Hope that helps and sorry for the delay getting back to you!
Hey Jeff & Bob, will you also release a mid 90 mm comparison video ?
Of course! We're planning mid 100's next, though.
once again thanks a lot for this great videos. i am watching these for all kind of purpose from building up knowledge about skis, staying up to date, watching you guys ski and more. great stuff...
one general question: i live in switzerland and the majority of the skis we see here in the resorts are race models from different brands. so i am very much used to see skiers of all type (beginners to experts) skiing these super aggressive high end race skis or their lower priced spin off models. but all super narrow and highly tapered shapes that generate a tone of energy in the turns. there are people on all mountain skis but it is the minority i'd say. on the other side, when watching your videos you pretty much don't cover all these super aggressive race skis but you're more into the all mountain ranges (for example Völkl Kendo instead of Racetiger) which is much more to my liking. but i am wondering if this is just a difference between the US and europe or if there is any other reason. personally i am very much enjoying the flexibility with all mountain models and there is just so much more you can do with them especially in changing conditions.
the downside i can see with people buying and renting these race skis is that is seems like many people are in over their head with these models. high speed, lack of control and accidents are the outcome and i have seen my fair share of this last season when one of my friends got ran over by a woman on a rece ski because she was unable to control the speed
Hey fellow switzerland citizen ;) I share your concerns about beginner / intermediates on the narrow waist width skis and think it's almost at the point where it gets ridiculous. Last winter, i've been out with my dad who needed to rent some skis, and while i was looking around in the shop they almost sent him with a 65mm slalom ski. At least i could get him something with 76mm iirc. They didn't even have anything 80 - 85mm at their hand.
The narrow skis often do ski the skier, not the other way around, and at the same, people have a hard time to learn on them as they are overpowered by the ski. As soon as the terrain gets beaten up, some slush, even soft snow moguls, it's getting really dangerous. So, yea, i absolutely see what you mean and i think most skiers would be best suited with a softer ski in the 80 - 90mm range that is more forgiving. This model range would also be so much more versatile.
I'm wondering as well where this stark contrast comes from, i don't really have an answer to it.
Very interesting observation--we notice it as well, mainly through the ski companies' catalogs and online content. European ski industry is way narrower and more technically-focused than it is here in US. For the most part, our all-mountain skis don't start until at least 88 mm underfoot, and a lot of skiers don't even look at anything under 100 mm. Marketing has a lot to do with it, in that powder skiing sells, and ski companies have gotten really good at selling that image to consumers. For where we ski in Vermont, the reality is that most days call for skis at or under 88 mm. Kendo is far more dominant than Racetiger, or even Deacon 84. I feel that if you put a renter on a 65-68 mm underfoot ski, they'd be taken for a ride. The balance point on those narrower skis is tricky for emerging or part-time skiers, and here in US, are more novelty items for sure. While there is a strong race culture, it's definitely not the dominant theme. You have to pay attention all the time on race models, while the 88-90 range are more relaxing. I'm sure there's more to talk about, it's a very interesting topic!
thanks a lot for your thoughts on this. i completely agree that the marketing effort of the ski companies has a big impact on what some people are buying. and there might be a stronger freeride/powder background in the US compared to what is more of an attraction to ski sport racing here. many consider ski racing to be our national sport and, even though this is completely independent from the personal skill level, people might tend to buy what they see on the feet of the professional race skiers.
over the last three years (call it the corona effect) back country touring has become increasingly popular in switzerland and equipment sales for touring has exploded. but here as well there seems to be some sort of disconnect meaning that traditional sport and ski retailers rarely sell touring equipment but stick to the traditional race models and mountaineering and outdoor shops carry back country touring skis. almost as if there were two type of customers
i have purchased my first all mountain ski only two years ago after skiing for 35 years on race skis and skis for back country touring. and i can say that this has been a big change and improvement for me. skiing in the resort has become much more fun for me with a wider and more versatile all mountain ski. small jumps, going switch and so on. there is just so much more you can do with these skis comparing to the race models where it is all about pure power
Does the new kendo 88 float as good as the old 90 underfoot. I would size down 170 on the older version.
I don't think the 90 was a great floater--too stiff. The 88 is more compliant, so goes with the flow a bit more. Same sizing applies to any Kendo version, we've found. Have fun!
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is the atomic bent 90 something to go in the area of the BC mirus corr?
Similar in some aspects, but they use very different shapes. Bent 90 has a much straighter sidecut, which helps it feel very agile in bumps, trees, and in certain park settings. The Mirus Cor has a drastically shorter turn radius, which gives it more preference for carving, and definitely a different feel than the Bent 90. It's one of those situations where, in a lot of ways, they will accomplish the same things, but feel very different doing so.
Awesome review! I always love free ride twin tips, but my friends mostly prefer staying in bounds on groomers. I also have a newborn daughter that I will be getting out on the slopes with as soon as she is ready. I am looking for a recommendation on a twin tip in this width range that will allow me to have confidence on groomers, but still offer the playfulness to hit jibs and ride switch. Much love from Western MA!
6’3” 215lbs
Volkl Revolt 181.
@@dick91p 181? I do own a revolt 104 that I absolutely love, but I’d like something in a narrower width range for east coast skiing.
Everything you mentioned suggests the Revolt 95, a ski designed for park tricks and to grip well on groomers. I suggested 181 because you are 6’3 , 215 lbs., and you lose some effective edge to the twin tips. I’m 6’0”, 187 lbs., and I was going to buy a pair or 181’s, but then Coronavirus happened…The next size is 173, which is totally doable for you. It all depends on your ski length preference. Probably the Armada ARV’s, the Bent 90, or the Liberty Origin would more solid options. I hope this helps.
I meant to say “would be additional solid options.”
@@dick91p I appreciate all the advice! I have been eyeing the Bent 90s for all the hype, but I am unsure if they will be sufficient on the inevitable ice. I will definitely look into the armada and libertys. Thanks again!
Thanks for the vid!
No rustler 9 this year?
Rustler 9 worked its way into this one this year:
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Thanks again for your reviews! What would be the ski closest to Enforcer 104 Free I own and enjoy in this narrower 90 mm-ish category (not full twin-tip)? I am looking for the same unique blend of on-piste carving performance and playfulness of 104 Free in more manageable and less tiring format. Note, that Enforcer 88 and Kendo 88 did not work for me as they are demanding directional skis somewhat lacking 104 Free playfulness. I have Jeff's complexion, I am a directional all mountain skier with no park background. Thanks!
I'd go with the Captis or the Ranger 90. QST 92 if you still can't decide.
@@SkiEssentials Would new Sender 94 Ti, even though wider, be a better choice compare to Ranger 90 or QST 92?
@@mikhailm4594 Yes, it's a bit more on the directional side with a flatter tail and a stiffer flex. The paulownia wood core is light but stiff, and the metal underfoot keeps it stable. But still a flatter tail for more directional and smooth performance than Ranger or QST, which are slightly more soft-snow and playful-oriented.
EX racer here. Looking for a ski that has the components to carve a turn and hook up well and also the ability to blow through junk and crud. I want it to be stiff, very little flex. Also a park vibe/all mountain ski. Which ski on this wall would you recommend ?
I think your best choice on this wall is the Ranger 90. The park vibe is the tough component. Nordica Enforcer 88 and Armada Declivity 92 are next tier choices.
@@SkiEssentials what about the serpo black crows
@@SkiEssentials what do you think of the black crow serpos? or even the orb? do u think they hold a nice carve?
@@joshsalinas9342 incoming on today's mid-90's comparison!
@@joshsalinas9342 Yes! The Orb is interesting, it has a long turn radius and is pretty heavy--not quite as lively as the Serpo. th-cam.com/video/_nedrNOG-1A/w-d-xo.html
How would you compare Solomon qst 92 vs k2 mindbender 89 ti?
The QST has quite more of a freeride personality while the K2 is decidedly more front-side oriented with stronger carving power. The QST is quick and agile and is a wonderful floater while the K2 is lovely when comes to edge grip, clean and round turns, and more groomer skiing. Both are great, but it more depends on where you spend most of your time.
Noted that there is nothing from Rossignol on the wall? can't say I've seen you guys do an annual review over the year without an Experience 88... etc.
The Experience 86 will make it to the mid-80's comparison, and in the upcoming mid-100 video we have two Rossignols. We have not forgotten about them, but we've also been interested in seeing where certain ski companies have gaps or surplusses in their lines.
Is a mid 100 mm or powder ski run down coming as well?
Sure is! Mid-100's first, then likely narrower before powder.
Greetings from the UK! Love these ski comparison videos that you guys prepare, really appreciate the effort you put in. I have the Kendo 88 from a couple of years back (with the titanal frame, 3D radius) Has the new version really changed THAT much from that model that it's worth checking out?
Thanks, Stephen!
Once they went to titanal frame and 3D Radius, there's not a huge difference between then and 2023, but it is different. They made the 2023 more sophisticated for sure, with a tailored titanal frame and tailored carbon tips. They also shortened up the turn radius so it makes the new ski livelier and more agile. It's not a wholesale change from what you have, but it is a refinement.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the reply guys! Just wondering about Volkl Blaze 94. Are they not making that ski anymore. I loved it when I skied on it last year.
@@stephenstreet2491 We have that ski lined up for the mid-90's comparison--dropping in a few hours!
What's in my Quiver videos plz!!
Ok! Those are fun to do. We'll probably wait until mid-season for our personal skis to kind of round themselves out.
What would be the Soul 7 alternatives nowadays?
Check out the Salomon QST 106, DPS Pagoda 106 C2, and the Volkl Blaze 106. Lots of great floaty skis here!
Serpo doesn’t make the list??
Serpo will go in the mid-90 comparison!
@@SkiEssentials AWESOME!! can't wait to see how it compares!
I contacted you a while ago. Regarding skis, but lost the message or comment, can you give me your best recommendations for me, here is my objective.
Mid to mid high skier, no BD's, just calm skier, intermediate, but love to hit the bumps, bump and run, sharp turns in and out of moguls, don't like to get too much air, maybe a few inches, that's all, I do not ski fast downhills either, no more than 20 mph at the base, love trail skiing, would like to have light skis, unsure if they should be double tipped or not, probably no wider than 84 maybe ? I ski VT., NY, easily turnable, maybe 155's to 170 maybe ?
Then your best recommendation for bindings.
I am 6', 180, x baseball player, tennis, and cycling.
There are so many choices in your reviews, I don't know which to choose.
Also, do you have a shop near Killington ?
Or a link where I can buy your recommendation ?
take a look at the Volkl Kanjo 84 - sounds like it has a lot of what you're looking for
@@wallstreetoneil thank you. If you sell it please send me a link.
Kanjo 84, Dynastar M-Pro 85, Salomon Stance 84, and Black Crows Vertis all make fantastic options for your stats and application. We actually just bought Basin Ski shop in Killington, but you can always find our stuff online at skiessentials.com.
I wish manufacturers did weight for all sizes, my girlfriend would probably love the atomic 88ti in the 161 but doesn’t want a heavy ski!
Some do, and there's a lot of information that you can get from a pretty quick google search. Check the manufacturer's website as well as their online catalogs. It's just a lot of data out there, and some companies make the choice to put it in while others are fine leaving it out.
It is notable that Rossi is not on this wall…..very interesting.
Really just due to the fact they don't make anything that fits into this category! The Experience 86 Ti went into the "mid-80 mm" comparison. We went back and forth about whether to include the Black Ops 92, but opted not to in order to fit other skis in. We did have the Black Ops 98 in the 100 comparison. It's interesting when a certain brand doesn't have a ski for a particular category or width range, and also interesting when a certain brand has A LOT. For example, we're planning a powder comparison starting around 108 mm and up. K2 could have... I think 6 skis in that comparison?
(6'4", 190, 48 y/o, advanced/expert) I bought the Fischer 92Ti 185 at the end of last year from you guys (just before learning about the new line, btw) and took them out once at Okemo. I was with the kids mostly so couldn't put them through the paces. But I'm thinking hard about leaving them out west and getting a new pair for east. I'll have some weekends at Okemo and a week in Feb at Stowe. I demoed the Stance 90s 182 last year at Heavenly and had a great day. Admittedly, conditions were great and I was on my own so could do laps. But I took them into good snow in Mott Canyon and also fast down some groomers. Again, great conditions make any ski seem great, I guess, but I enjoyed them everywhere. My question: Stance 90 vs. Kendo 88...the Stance 90 is now unchanged for a few years, correct? And the Kendo is newly updated? How do those two compare as a "daily driver" for the east? Is the Stance 90's technology slowly being eclipsed? Will they hold up on a crappy day? Ultimately, I want a ski that can really move but I like skiing the bumps and trees when I can. Realistically, though, there's only so much off-piste skiing one can do when limited to whatever conditions any given weekend affords; at this age, I'm not forcing myself into the trees when there's been no snow for a while, but I will get into the bumps. A third choice, lagging somewhat behind, is Stormrider 88 but I get the sense from the videos it's not likely to be as suited to non-groomer terrain. Thanks in advance.
HI Mike!
The Stance is more versatile and well-rounded while the Kendo is a better on-trail and groomer choice. Stance carves great, don't get me wrong, but the new Kendo has more of that slice and dice mentality. Have fun!
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im 168cm tall , weight 83KG , intermediate to advanced , enjoy groomers but also off piste in the trees ect , could anyone help me narrow down my first ski, thanks in advance
You can't go wrong with the Elan Ripstick 88. Does it all, is fairly light, and has a high ceiling. I'd go with that ski in the 164. Have fun!
www.skiessentials.com/2023-elan-ripstick-88-skis-w-marker-griffon-13-id-bindings.html
Thanks !
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The days are getting shorter...
Ever since June 21st!
Twin tip comparison, twin tip comparison…
We included a handful of wider twins in this week's mid-100 comparison--not really park-specific, though.
Oh boy is this great !⛷❄️
If you watched all 2 hours, we'll be impressed!
I almost know more about ski construction then I do golf clubs now. You could of really messed with our feelings and removed the time stamp for this one especially concerning the Bent90.
Bring back the “what’s in your quiver” series !!!