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- Taping the muzzle of your rifle - common practice for some, extreme uncertainty for others. I mean how could sealing the business--end of your rifle not effect accuracy? It has to right? Or does it? Jimmy, Mark and our beloved Ryan “Mucky” Muckenhirn sit down to discuss this very topic. Listen up, it may just save your hunt!
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Just a reminder that if you’re going to tape over the muzzle be sure to do it prior to loading your firearm
Why?
Probably so you’re not taping the muzzle of a loaded weapon
@@noahgullion2 Lol, Guess that's a good point.
Every deployment I ever went on in the Marine Corps, I was issued a barrel cap that fit over the birdcage on my service rifle. No worries about it, it shoots right off as soon as you fire.
I was gonna mention this. I was an armorer. Every new upper came with a barrel cap. The guys would leave them around or lose them. I'd bringing as many as I could on deployments. We were always near the water, which means mud, reeds, and organic junk.
A nitrile glove finger was the second best choice.
Hold up... Ryan just said... "if you run out of tape, take a nitrile glove and TAPE around it" 😂😂
Water Mudd stucks Makes things not accurate...but tape ok...I call bull shit
Instead of using tape, try getting a small finger cot. They can be gotten from Amazon for about four dollars per hundred. Goes right over the tip of it in the elasticity holds it to the barrel. Keep an extra couple in your gear bag. Kind of like he was in the glove finger. Thanks for the video
Yup works perfect
Yep finger cots on the .308 n .243 and Durex on the 12
Great advice. One caveat: Even light brush can and will rip/tear off the finger cots.
Downside to that they are not nearly as durable as the electrical tape and they can slip off way too easy.
Everyone I hunt with up here in interior Alaska tapes the muzzle, typically with electrical tape.
Several benefits: 1) Protects the crown 2) Prevents rain/dust getting into the barrel 3) A tumble could plug the barrel with mud and then dangerous unless you have a cleaning rod in the field to safely remove mud from the breech end.
Thanks for the talk. You answered my question near the end when you hit on muzzle brakes.
There’s a product called “finger gloves”, some teachers used them back in the day to avoid chalk cracking their skins. Gamers use them to avoid callous these days apparently. They work like a charm over muzzles.
Finger condoms 😂
Steve Rinella on meateater was the first i'd ever seen a muzzle taped.
I had never heard of this but majes so much sense.
Ear plug works well too!
This is the first year I wish I had tape with me. Had a doe and buck come out of the woods and I took a shot at the doe when I seen a ball of moisture out about 15 foot from my barrel and it sounded like buck shoot going threw the Branches and leaves. The deer scampered off back into the woods. It was that until a few days later after watching one of your 10 minute talks I realized I had a bullet failure and the only thing I can think of that caused it was it was raining and I got some moisture in my barrel. Love your channel
how did it get moisture in it
Never heard of doing that. Makes sense though.
Love the podcasts. Keep up the good work. 👌
I first heard of it in the Marine Corps. It's saved me a lot of trouble on at least one hunt.
This should seriously be tested with a really good slow motion camera.
Never heard of this before. Thank you.
Meateater does this
We do it all the time in NZ👌
Always been doing it here. I think I read about it in hunting magazines as a kid.
Thanks for the tip!
While you have to take a 2 second extra step to remove it, rifle covers such as the solo hunter one are extremely helpful to eliminate anything entering your muzzle, as well as protect the rest of the rifle and scope. Mine has saved numerous things from entering the muzzle as well dings and scratches to rifle and scope
Thanks, never thought of tape. I always worry about shit getting down my barrel. I was going to use a jimmy hat with a rubber band but didn’t want the jokes. I wouldn’t have thought it would affect your accuracy.
Taping muzzle and an objective lense cap on your scope are a must for western hunting
Electrical tape works great. One strip seems adequate for my 45-70, although I haven't plunged it into the mud to verify this. I learned this from "how to hunt" you tube video and tested it at the range. I had zero effect on poi.
My father had a 30-06 made by Eddystone. It was a 1917 model that he sporterized. Great gun. Tack driver. My younger brother was carrying it as a teenager on a miserable sleet and snow day. He forgot to cover the muzzle and must have gotten some buildup in the barrel because when he got the chance at an elk that barrel split open and 1/3 of it peeled off and twirled away into the distance never to be found again. Thankfully nobody was hurt but we learned a hard lesson that day.
I used to have a p17 from eddystone, that was my favorite rifle for several years. I could hit a 5 foot round boulder at 1200 yards all day long with the irons on that gun, plus with the stripper clips it was fun to shoot.
Taping your muzzle... I like the saying "silence is golden but duct tape is silver" better... LOL Never heard about taping your muzzle before. When I was kid on a duck hunt I tripped in the marsh and fell sticking my barrel straight in the mud and didn't tell my dad because i didnt know any better and I didn't even know that a barrel would fill with mud.. Needless to say I figured out the hard way on the first shot. It split about 6 inches of the barrel and blew the rib off the full length of it!!!
When I was in the army in 80s South Africa we used the esbit cardboard tube to cover the muzzle of fn or R 1 as we called it.
The esbit tablets were for heating water but we seldom used them. We just scraped a little trench with the heel of our boots and used a handful of twigs and put the canteen (fire bucket) to boil.
Boer maak a plan
I use a curtain wire with a bore brush tapped into it, it’s plastic coated so won’t hurt the bore, if it’s blocked bad a bore snake won’t get through to clear it
Good one never even heard of it.
This would be a good project for high speed recording.
I have never taped my muzzle. But I do carry a bore snake in my pack just in case I need to clear it out. Have had to use it a few times.
As far as finger cots , baloon/condom go , they work great for water but if forced by dirt/mud , pebbles or sticks/ branch can easily break thru and cause obstruction , tape would be much stronger.
The Army issues shoot away muzzle caps(see Steven Cooper's comment). They aren't an issue. Last year, after a terrible nursing home visit, I neglected to put a finger from a nitrile glove over my muzzle. I stepped on some exposed wet clay and fell. Luckily I hunt on my own land and could just walk back to the house and clean my shotgun. Ten minutes later, back in my blind.
Wait, you don't use your barrel as walking sticks?
Using a finger off a latex glove pulled fairly tight, and then taping it 2 inches back from muzzle where the finger was cut.
Never heard of taping the muzzle before. Maybe its a northern /western thing? I dunno. I can see where a strip of electrical tape over the end would be good in hard rain/snow/sandstorm etc. We always carried our rifles carefully usually pointing ahead and down slightly. Out west where everyone is carrying on their shoulder climbing large inclines, I can see this being popular tho.
those orange plugs for barrels you talked about come from Mauser
Been taping my barrels since day 1. Dad, grandad, even hunters safety class buried that into my skull. Have never had issue with accuracy.
I use masking tape. I always have some around, and the gasses coming out of the barrel would have no problem punching a hole in it before the bullet ever comes in contact.
I prefer small balloons to tape nowadays. They stay put pretty well and accomplish the same thing that tape does without the risk of any residue. Plus it's easier and lighter to just bring a second balloon than a roll of tape for after your shot (you can still take a fall on your way back to the truck, might as well keep the gun protected for the whole hunt).
I usually keep a roll of electric tape in my pack, but I like this idea way better. Thanks for the tip.
@@cristianespinal9917 I'd probably still carry the e tape just because of how dang useful that crap is.
@@justindunlap1235 Yea, I'm sticking with the tape. The balloon worked ok, but it doesn't work as well as tape when the gun has a front sight like most of mine. I kept the tape in the pack anyway since I use it for stuff like securing rolled-up straps, silencing noisy gear, loose items, etc.
I carry the tape with the cardboard center removed. Carries flatter this way.
I wish I could've been a guest on this podcast! Haha, because I had a firsthand near miss on this subject.
Hunting in upper northwest WI with a Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle in .308, the end of the barrel is topped off with one of Ruger's own proprietary flash hiders similar to a full birdcage, Google search for a good view. It's a complete snag hazard when going through thick brush and vegetation. While going through a particularly rough drive during 9 day rifle season I noticed the rifles flash hider constantly stripping tree bark off of twigs and small sticks constantly becoming entangled through the prongs of the muzzle device. At one point during the day, thankfully I took a minute to inspect the muzzle and noticed something slightly off about the inner portion of the flash hider and decided to unload the rifle and do a quick bore inspection with the bolt removed. My stomach churned a little bit with the thought of "what if", when I saw a stick had somehow managed to run down the bore and broken off inside. I didn't have a cleaning kit or bore snake at that time so I improvised by unscrewing my old 97 Chevy pickup radio antenna and flushing that down the bore and pushed the stick out. It was approximately 8 inches in length. I'm fairly certain that had I fired a shot that day that there was a high probability something catastrophic would've happened. I have since removed the factory flash hider and went to a Wilson Combat extended A2 type of flash hider with a much more sleek design, and had no further issues with snagging or objects being attracted to, and funneled into the muzzle. I never had even heard of taping of muzzles before that day, but immediately a bead of electrical tape went over the muzzle.
I'm really glad to see a video on this subject, and hope to see more people make this a standard practice in the future.
I had also heard that back in the days of the big asian vacation, soldiers would tape or rubber band a condom on the end of the barrel to prevent intrusions. But probably just electrical tape is easier and less prone to cause guffaws, snorts, and chuckles.
Finger cots work awesome
I have always carried a roll of electricians tape in my hunting pack just for that and many other reasons.
Can confirm the David E. Petzel article, must be close to 20 years ago. He range tested electrical tape and did a write up
Tape of any kind put over the muzzle to prevent debris from getting into the bore. The muzzles of all my long guns are taped at all times. Shooting through the tape does no harm to the firearm. See Hatcher's Notebook about this.
Can yall do an episode on 300 win mag
Seen a rem 700 300win banana peel it's barrel and splinter the stock from sleet and rain getting in barrel. It was loud and the owner walked away basically unharmed. Lucky.
You can also use surgical glove finger tips over muzzle with a piece Of tape on side used if needed we used condoms in the military no change in point of impact.. I did a video on taping 👊🏻
Get 'finger cots' at a med supply...same as condom but *much* smaller diameter. Rolls on the same.
The pressure of the bullet coming out knocks the medical tape off we do it alot in Canada
I use a piece of Saran Wrap.
I slipped on a muddy creek bank and stuck my barrel 6" in the mud. After being dropped off by my buddies at my tree stand. Before sunrise so i had to watch "helplessly" as a shooter buck came in and milled around along with several doe. I needed a cleaning rod to clear it out. But tape would have saved the day
Almost always do this with my Muzzleloader
Wish I had a nickel for every barrel that has been ruined by sand , snow , water , dirt , mud ,,people sometimes don’t realize that they have something in their barrel
I don't generally think tape is nessary snow won't cause a problem nor will water but rocks mud clay will alot has to go wrong for a barrel to blow up
Used cond#ms on my m203...
True story… last year I was tracking a deer I just shot. It was super wet and muddy out, the boot I had on were designed for sitting in cold for a long time, not walking. I was walking over a fallen tree, lost my footing, and straight up ate shit. Broke my pinky on the landing and it took me a few to collect myself. I had my rifle slung, and the way I landed the barrel went right into a mud puddle. I walked back to my truck, unloaded, and the mud was so thick and deep I couldn’t use a bore snake. I had to get my cleaning rod. I’m the end, I pulled a 3/4 inch wad of Indiana clay mud out of the barrel. Had I not already taken a deer that day, I would have been done. Finger socks is what I use now.
What about if you hunt with a suppressor? Should you tape the end of that too?
Friggin great question! Gah - why didn't we get into this! You absolutely can tape up the muzzle of your suppressor and it is a good idea still. The ones with brakes integrated into the suppressor will give you tons more space for crap to get in, so you'll need to use a lot of tape, but it certainly can be done.
I have tested this and spoken to people who make suppressors. While I noticed no POI shift with a taped bare muzzle taped with duct tape, I did in fact experience significant POI shift when taping over my suppressor exit with just a piece of masking tape. I was told this would happen by an owner of well known leading precision rifle suppressor company. On a bare muzzle the gases blow the tape off ahead of the bullet. I am told that the bullet beats the gasses out of the muzzle with a quality suppressor.
@@MaxairEngineering which makes sense, the major goal of a suppressor is to capture those gasses, even the empty air that is in front of the bullet before firing
Idk…. I’ve seen some hi point blow out a completely soldered barrel…. And concrete filled.
I mean I wouldn’t wanna be holding it….
I got some muzzle condoms from a guy in kamloops bc there specifically made for the barrell
223 WSSM and the Factory rifles that shot it
That’s Sauer’s making the orange cap.
And Blaser, and Sako/Tikka and Mauser, probably Merkel too, but I haven't seen those personally - I would suspect any German/Austrian/European make would have it in their catalogue.
From the name of the video and the picture it looked like you were tuning harmonics with tape
I've heard of some people using those foam ear plugs in, do you think this would be okay???
I know of a hunter who plugged his muzzle with an earplug… didn’t end well, banana peeled 4 inches of the barrel
@@tonygardner9668 Jesus what kind of plug did he use cause I’ve had the damn things fall out of my ear by themselves
@@tonygardner9668 the caps they talked about I’ve seen black plastic ones surely they hold a tighter fit then a war plug
New product idea: "barrel condom"
Ive used ear plugs too
Anyone else get the blowing over an open bottle sound running a suppressor and no muzzle tape? Yet another reason to tape
Latex Finger Cots might work - they are like the latex glove, but just made to cover one finger - like putting a small condom on the end...
Uhh.... I've been putting a condom w/ a rubber band (yes, I am talking durex/trojan type of condom) over my barrel for ages now. Electrical tape would look a lot less sketchy.
Barrel condoms. New hot seller. Lol
yep camo , stainless , blue a $$ maker
How about a soft ear plug?
I wonder if it could affect the barrel harmonics?
I’ve taped my muzzle in the past but I do hand load for my hunting cartridges and I just wonder if the barrel harmonics are changed thus affecting accuracy?
Doug Clarke, it doesn't change POI at all.
F class shooter will often have Velcro that they sometimes attach sheets to stop mirage, I’ve seen them shoot without one too on colder days. If they’re not worried about that effecting harmonics I doubt a little bit of tape is something to worry about
Try a foam ear plug .
ALWAYS pack your bore snake.
okay, crazy question. how the fuck is tape on the end of my barrel not a barrel obstruction, but dirt in my barrel is? I dont get how the tape wouldn't lead to pressure problems.
You take it off before shooting
@@tannercook4322 in the podcast they talk about not removing the tape before firing. according to them not a pressure problem and not a accuracy problem. I trust their opinions and advice but it still doesn't make sense to me
@@iancarpenter5488 that’s when you put some tape on the barrel and go do some shooting.
@@iancarpenter5488 the tap is significantly weaker to air pressure that travel in front of the bullet where as even if most of the dirt blows out small specs that stay would cause drag on the bullet and a tight fit would get a whole lot tighter real quick
Water ballons work well.
Waiting on the muzzle brake question. Go to walmart and get a bag of finger condoms in the first aid section. No tape required.
Why wouldn't you carry a boresnake? It's so small and easy to carry? I keep one in my butt stock bag.
Latex glove finger.
Instead of tapping it, just shove an ear plug down so its flush with the crown
I wonder if finger condoms from pharmacies would work in place of tape.
If you try it, let us know how it goes!
Ear plug > E tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Common sense 101. Lol
I use the fingers of gloves.
Get the small stretchy ones and cut the fingers off and slide it over the tip like a condom.. no need for tape🤣😂🤣
Or you can use ear plugs on diameter is over 30 cal
Uses you hunt with a Hi Point , I mean hell DemoRanch tried to destroy guns , most of them were fully functional afterwards
NYC has a big muzzle taping scene
Murphy's Law
I've seen condom being used, when I was in the Army.
Genius. Just remember to remove it 😅
Or you could use a balloon
Lol
Barrel condoms..
just get some condoms and slip one on .. flavor / lube and size is up to how big yours is //barrel that is
condoms work pretty well.
This is what condoms are for
Seems like 10 minutes of talk looking for a relevant topic. Just saying....
10 minutes convincing people to do something to their rifle when going out on a hunt that could prevent them from banana-peel-ing their rifle barrel, possibly getting hurt, or at the very least just ruining a hunt seemed pretty relevant to us.
Are you the single dislike?