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It somehow just kept getting worse and worse. Like, Holy shit! I cannot emphasise when I say this is by far the most horrifying thing I've learned about. Mostly because it was real
ok...that happened. I learned my lesson. no more leaving youtube playing wendigoon while not paying attention. I mean i thought this was about cults, not the goddamn daemonculaba from w40k
Georgia Brown is the name of the absolute angel of a social worker responsible for bringing to light the horrific crimes committed against the children and was an important contributor to getting Roch thrown in prison. She later committed suicide after being unable to live with the horrors she witnessed throughout her investigation. Never forget her name. Georgia Brown.
One of the survivors of the Jonestown massacre made the salient point that nobody joins a "cult": People join churches, or people join a political group or a social movement. They believe in something beyond themselves, a larger goal, and it makes sense that it would take more than one person to accomplish such goals. The goal will then shift over time, as a group becomes more insular. It can end up being a world away from the group or the cause which initially drew in members, but, by then, it may be too late to leave.
some people are just sick. and some people will just stand there and let it happen because of this pacifist mindset. its not about beliefs its about instincts
I love how it seems to be a common occurrence that those who harm children are extremely hated by literal murderers. Even they know that there is no more heinous crime than hurting a child.
That's why serial killers become so infamous and get away with so many crimes. It takes a special kind of fucked up to hurt a child, and most serial killers harmed at least one child even if their main targets aren't children. Even Jeffrey Dahmer, someone who was motivated by a twisted sense of love and not inherently by hate or anger, harmed at least one child. That's why he was killed in jail.
I really like you humanizing the victims. So often victims of cults are portrayed as gullible people when they're usually no different from everyone else. It only helps the formation of cults because many victims don't even question it because "they're too smart to enter a cult" or "they know better"
@@ultraguy14 Yeah, have fun being ignorant and hope you don't get unlucky. People like you are the exact sort of people that generally find themselves in cults or scams, as in the people who view themselves as "intelligent" or the others as "gullible and stupid" are often the easiest prey. This is precisely one of the things MLMs take advantage of as well, so don't think it's just fringe cult groups that entrap people like you.
@harry Johnson Dude, everyone in a cult or something similar will view other cults as stupid. Just because you used to see stupid cults doesn't make you immune and honestly makes it sound like you're in something cult-like yourself. Everyone relies on something, whether that is objects, others, or themselves. If you don't realize your needs that makes you pretty susceptible... You're also pretty wrong about me as if that had anything to do with what I said
@harry Johnsonthe target demograph of cults are literally the weak....people who are lost and have no direction in life cuz its easier to manipulate them and give them something to believe into....they don't target the privileged imo
I actually met Gabrielle Lavallée about a decade ago when I was in secondary school. She was doing talks about her life with the cult to sensitize us about the dangers of cults and how effective cult leaders can be. The fact that this woman still lives on and has the strength to be open about those atrocities is commendable. I will never forget how after the talk, I came to her and talked about how I could relate to her early life (she had a very tough childhood, and at the time she was recruited, she had done many things that left her mentally vulnerable, which is the type of people cult leaders love to prey on the most), and how her story opened my eyes to how easily I could have be dragged into something similar at the time. She gave me a long hug, and thanked me... She's an incredibly kind lady, and I hope she's still doing well. Also PS: You forgot a VERY important thing about Roc; he referred to himself, and forced his own followers, to call him "Moise", the French name for Moses. He really took the messenger of God thing to the next level.
Wish I could meet her, she sounds like an absolute badass. She got her arm CHAINSAWED OFF and still tried again! And succeeded! She's a hero in my eyes
I don't exactly agree with the idea of vigilante murder, but considering Matthew's circumstance (as in he had nothing to lose), that was probably the most selfless thing he could have done.
@@barbararab6390 i thought the same at first, but apparently the dude was in prison for stabbing a cab driver 19 times because "he thought Bryce was running up the cab fare." so maybe he should have just gotten a more comfortable cell or something.
As someone from Quebec, I was told that story as a cautionary tale about how even someone as strong as Gabrielle Lavallée can fall victim to cult tactics. It was told to me as her survival story, not the one of that power hungry bastard. I'm glad that her courage is being remembered over his vileness.
@@jea7362she’s doing an amazing job doing it. Just recently she visited several high schools in the province sharing her story to hs students. What our generation needs :)
Gabrielle came to our school and explained to us without edit how he cut her arm. She was extremely clear and direct with her words. I can still see her pacing quietly on stage, a grave matter of factly voice. I was 16 yo her story stayed with me every since.
@@737215 It was almost 20 years ago... But I remember the way she explained that it was a "rusted knife" and that the worst part was the bone. brrr its gives me shivers just to think about it. She explained how she was constantly exhausted, the work was brutal and often - pointless. I'm pretty sure she wrote a book that would be available in english.
@Rynnie Yes! To warn about cults. She also pointed out some examples of people that are being preyed upon and redflags. For instance, they take lonely people, or people in vulnerable situations, they can asking to cut your existing relationships, they can ask you to surrender your finance to them etc... In the end its all about the gang mindset...
When I was a senior in high school they took us on a field trip... to the state penitentiary. We visited with 3 of the inmates there. The first one warned us about the dangers of using. He blamed marijuana for his crimes and would not accept responsibility for his actions. He was there for cutting his girlfriend's head off and driving through 3 states with it in the passenger seat. The second inmate warned us that the actions of others could also affect you, even if you don't know anything about it. He was there because his friend decided to rob a gas station and kill the clerk without even telling him what he had done while he sat outside in the car. The third inmate warned us that we should never do anything to end up in prison because no matter how big or strong you are, there's way too many people there who aren't your friends, and if they want to do something to you there's nothing you can do to stop it. He was there because he had sexually abused a child and he had been raped by other men many, many times after he got there.
Abuse rarely starts with the physical abuse. It starts by emotionally wearing you down until you believe abuse is "normal". This guy was seriously twisted. Gross. I feel for the people who endured his abuse.
You mean the people who stood by and not only allowed this disgusting crap to happen, but actively participated in it? Yeah I really feel sorry for them 🙄... but you know who I actually feel sorry for? The victims. The victims being the only innocent members in this sick cult, the children. The children are the only ones who should be called victims, everyone else should be rotting away in a prison cell.
@@TimeForDunston Don't get me wrong, I don't see these people as victims, but you can't disregard the psychological manipulation they go through to get to that point. Some of them could probably still see the wrong, but got involved to a point when it was too late and a cult leader (usually intelligent) can quickly realize this and put more control over them. Remember also rebellion means death if you don't have the majority on your side. Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to just say throw them all in jail. A court wouldn't either.
@@TimeForDunston i dont think you understand how abuse works. my little sister and i both grew up in the same abusive environment, we are both victims, but there have been times where she would deliberately do things to hurt me or make my abuser hurt me. when youve been that thoroughly brainwashed by someone you just become a tool for them and it feels like doing their bidding and being cruel to other victims is the only way to have a little bit of control and make the abuser happy so they dont turn on you. same thing goes for bullying victims who turn into bullies as a means to regain control. the only person who benefits from this is the abuser at the top. even the people in the cult who committed acts of cruelty for the leader were victims. they were all victims. they have to live with that guilt. them being adults has very little to do with it, adults are not immune to brainwashing and abuse. its insane how much empathy you seem to lack
If I recall correctly from reading Gabrielle's book many years ago, Roch stabbed her hand on a table and left her there for hours. He decided to "amputate" when he realised it was getting infected, but he didn't use a chainsaw, he used a carpet knife, and (I think), an axe to break the bone.
@@xXJLNINJAXx In the 1800s amputation was done with a similar instrument that was used to sever nerves by slashing the area at a full 360 degrees and then a bone saw would be employed to finish the amputation.
Matthew Gerrard MacDonald. Never forget that name. He killed Roch and went straight to the guards and gave them the shiv and said to them “That piece of shit is down on the range”. He was already serving a life sentence for a previous murder he committed and was given another life sentence for Roch’s death. A man with nothing to lose can be a scary thing to evil and a blessing for the good folk.
I'm against remembering and spreading the names of murderers, as to not give them the gratification they seek via recognition for their atrocities, but this man deserves to be remembered. While he may have committed a horrid act beforehand, he was given a chance to make the world a better place and he took it.
@@cypherusuh if anything he's just going to be put to the bottom of the list as it's a new crime? Some judges probably appreciate people like him. Mad dogs, while tragic, are seldom redeemed. They stay ravid, and only death will cure their madness. I am not referring to actual dogs.
I read Gabrielle Lavallée's biography, titled "L'Alliance de la Brebis", and I have to say it's the single most upsetting, horrifying, gut-wrenching thing I've ever come across. To this very day, I'm still traumatized by some of the things I've read in that book. The memory of those events still haunt and sicken me to a degree I can't quite describe, and I remain baffled by the fact that Gabrielle somehow survived what has been done to her. Something that isn't mentioned in this video is that she was left on the cold wooden floor of the very same room she was amputated in as the other members later went to bed, and she spent the whole night there, crying and bleeding, with her severed arm lying a mere few feet away from her. She described it as being almost an out-of-body experience for how surreal it was, to just see her own limb on its own like that and discarded in a dirty corner like some piece of junk. Before that, other tortures included her being lifted up by the ankles and dropped on her head repeatedly until she passed out, left outside naked in the harsh winter cold for nearly an hour, beaten up by all the members at once, thrown from a balcony and dragged back up only to be thrown again, and sexually assaulted by Roch countless times. ...I'm just gonna say it: the fact that she lived to tell the tale is a miracle.
@@stoleneyez I checked, but couldn't find an English title. This might explain why this story is not as broadly known as it should be, because it's easily the most nightmarish testimony I've ever read. Like nothing even comes close to it, and I've heard and seen a lot of things.
I feel like everyone misunderstands Macdonald. He didn't kill the cult leader because he thought what he did was horrible. But because he wouldn't shut up about it. He basically killed dude for being annoying. Not for being evil.
I mean, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove that, you're just making an assumption. He did called the guy a "piece of shit" so he might have also thought the guy was fucking evil as well as annoying. If he did kill Roch just because he thought of him as annoying, that works for me too. At least he ended him. People like Roch are why people still support the death penalty to this day.
@@ABeardedSage evidence like what mofo want me to produce a signed affidavit it's literally why it happened. Roche was an equally dangerous psycho killer and one of the first things he said when handing the shiv to the gaurd was the guy wouldn't shut up
I know this sounds bad, but it's better off being dead than living life with destroyed mangled genitals. imagine being a man who can't even be love... imagine all the complications...
He just wanted peace & quiet. Was that too much to ask for? But noooooo....some full-of-himself jerk yammering on daily about his sex-capades and the abuse he inflicted on others. I bet Matthew (my son's name) was triggered when Ol' Roque started bragging about mutilating that baby's peschadeel and killing the man with special needs and having 20 kids and getting conjugal visits. Probably sent him right over the edge, the idea that Roque was going to be up for parole in a few months...He shanked that joker and didn't feel an ounce of remorse.
The frog senario only applies to frogs that were lobotomized, actually, unlobotomized frogs jump out. This is important to know because it's not just "bringing up the heat slowly" that gets these kind of abusive cults get going. Roke already had "lobotomized" his victims by tricking and charming them into befriending him before he invited them to the "boiling pot" of the cult.
Our justice system is F’d up like that. There’s a guy in my town who was drunk while driving a boat, ended up crashing his boat into another boat and killed 4 people: two parents and their kids. He got 5 years… meanwhile someone was accused of sexually assaulting his ex and got mandatory sentencing of 25 years. Feel like one of these crimes is way worse than the other. And the sex assault guy turned out to be innocent and released 10 years in when new evidence came to light that his ex had in fact made up the crime after they split. That’s America for ya
Gabrielle's hometown is the same as mine and she often goes to schools to talk about her experiences in a cult and how someone ends up joining and staying in one despite the abuse. She's an incredible woman with a immense sense of humour!
I would love to hear her story from HER. What she lived is unspeakable, but it's great that she can help educate others from the trauma she went through. I hope she's doing well ☺️
I read L' alliance de la brebis years ago and it's a wonderfull book but some chapter are hard to read beacause of all the abuse depicted in it, but it gives a good idea on how much of a monster Roch Térieault was. It's a good thing he's no more. It's the first book I've ever read in French. Edit: Grammar. english isn't my language.@@scrapbones.
She truly is a hero in her own right. The strength to survive and come out to try preventing it, preemptively saving others. How she didn't lose her mind, but come out of it as an inspiration is incredible. Bless her.
I really respect how you handle the subjects you do without acting all mystical voodoo or horror nightmare on us. You just talk about stuff that’s interesting like a normal guy, and we appreciate it. Much love
There's a class they make you take at most women's shelters with a whole packet dedicated to identifying manipulative &/ narcissistic relationships. I think EVERYONE should take that course. In fact I'm going to find my packet to upload.
One name that deserves to be brought up alongside Gabrielle's is Georgia Brown. She was a social worker who spent years making surprise visit after surprise visit, carefully documenting everything that happened, to get the children away from Roch. She passed away in 2015 after taking her own life.
@@garrettcloud Your psyche can only handle so much before you have to step back to heal. Doesn't matter why, that's what happened. Can assure you she felt hopeless and helpless though.
Solange went through just pure torture. He removed a portion of her intestines and shoved everything back in. She would have been in agony and also leaking fecal matter into her abdomen causing complete sepsis. The only thing to be grateful for is she died on her own before he attempted anymore “surgeries “
Whoever killed roch, that was genuinely one of the most badass moves I’ve ever heard of. And then to just drop off the weapon he used and admit to it. Not trying to glorify murder, but that was still dope.
Gee, I sure hope the sex offenders and exploiters don't get housed with the violent guy with rage issues but otherwise strong morals... (From what I have read, it was that he wouldn't shut up, not a direct vengeance attack, there's a reason Roch's cell mate already had a life sentence, and it's probably as well he kept serving it)
It's not super rare for this kind of thing to happen in prison. These guys already have life sentences. They dont need to make a big stink about murder or invite disruptive lockdowns and investigations. They can just kill and then go about their business
my moms analogy for people staying in situations like this despite whats happening to them is "cant see how much shit you're in if you're swimming in it"
@@EELClove98 shit or water, I'd clearly be able to see it if I'm swimming in it. And you do know how big a lake is. Maybe not to exact proportion, but you can tell it's a lot of water. You can tell the difference between shallow water and deep water.
@@sydneyp7867 Sydney Rajneeshburam has all sorts of gross vibes but that was also more of an operation. This dude must have been pretty charming. Speaking of which, I think I just found my dream job. Sydney, Ross, and anyone else reading this, how would you guys like to come spend the rest of quarantine at my compound?
The amount of gratitude and humility that you expressed is one of the most genuinely human act that I’ve seen on the internet in a while. I can feel it through the screen two years later where now have 5.1 million subscribers including me. Awesome channel with awesome content made by an awesome person!
@@padarousou those are both ridiculous assumptions. You can perceive what youre doing as good, it doesn't make it good. Not all people are corruptible, in spite of the fact that the majority are easily corruptible. Ditto for gulibility.
@@constantk8780 That’s quite a naive view. Good here implies a moral imperative, making it universal not subjective. Everyone is corruptable, indeed this is taught in the some of the most ancient human wisdom we have access to. This wisdom is extrapolated into Catholicism for example, in the form of Lucifer (once one of the best angels in heaven) who became corrupted by the desire for greater power. Even the most noble people can become corrupted, but nothing is corrupt in the beginning. Only through the depravity of an environment or being deprived of certain virtues can lead to corruption.
The "frog in the water" thing isn't actually true- a frog will jump out of the water when it gets too hot. The original experiment was conducted using frogs that were lobotomized, which is why they didn't behave normally. It's a useful analogy though, which is why we use it even if it's not actually true.
And not to be too dark, but frogs won't actually jump out of boiling water either, because as soon as they hit the water, their legs won't work because damage is done too quick.
Yet in case of humans, when pushed slightly by authority, religious, parental, mentor and love interest figures, they will stay in the water as it begins to boil. One might even say humans nowadays are mentally lobotomized via propaganda, pop culture, peer pressure, social and work groups and the general need to avoid ostracism.
This cult was in the forest by my cottage in the 80’s and I would always hear stories from my mom and aunt about a woman running out of the forest with one arm and barely any teeth. We would call it the Burnt River cult until one day I actually did research. This guy was sooo fucked up that I don’t have any words. It’s so scary that this was happening while my entire family was having a grand ole time, swimming, relaxing and enjoying the outdoors. Yikes.
it’s really weird that human brain - even when showed otherwise - can still think that somebody can’t do any wrong just because they’re attractive or charming. it’s kinda scary how many serial killer stories have this premise.
Imagine, roch gets sent to a prison containing some really bad criminals, maybe some of the worst, and one of them kills him and gets another life sentence cause he was just that fucked up
Matthew did what someone else should have done 20 years ago. 😏 That cult guy was so sadistic and evil. I have red and seen so many true crime stories but this one was the most horriffic on. 🤮
This story is crazy to me because my family actually owns property on Burnt river since my mom was a little girl. I remember her telling me about a cult who had lived in the area a long time ago. Such a bizzare story that is a little closer than I would like lol
One of my favourite things about Wendigoon is that he doesn't use creepy music or editing to make his videos scarier, it makes the dark subject matter a lot easier to handle that way.
You should check out the channel Horror Stories. He uses scary music but it goes with the true events he covers since he shows pictures of the crime scenes or incidents and never shows his face.
Yeah honestly I can't handle that stuff cause I'm extremely paranoid being alone in my own home ik it's crazy but I just hate when the creepy shiet plays and I can't watch a video in peace without looking around constantly
Yeah honestly those effects always feel hokey and cheesey. I really enjoy the straightforward approach in these vids that make everything feel a lot more real
I feel the creepy music and dumb voice makes it cheesy and less real and in the context of these videos it’s far more creepy because it’s stated as matter fact
I just in the last two weeks started watching your channel and its so wholesome to see how grateful you are, I've watched older and much more recent videos and you are consistently grateful for the community and the creators your speaking about its very refreshing
23:00 "as far as Im concerned that should count as community service" yEAAAHHH like seriously I bet the staff there were glad someone finally took the creep out
I've never genuinely cried about a case, but oh my God. Gabriela is an angel. She already lost her arm and had nothing to stop it from getting infected, and yet she went out to do the same thing that caused her such a painful punishment and potentially saved multiple lives. Roch was an utterly despicable man, and I hope he's rotting where he belongs now.
Dang, that "frog in a pot of water" analogy really reminded me of abusive relationships, especially one I had. At certain points you would absolutely let someone rip out your intestines. You really don't realize how bad it is until it's finally over, whether it be in life or in death.
Back in 2008 I was 1 year free from an abusive situation, I was listening to music at work and a “mix tape” a friend made had a recording of Vincent Price explaining how to boil a frog. I had to go hide in the bathroom for ten minutes to compose myself. Since then I have become hyperaware of escalating behavior.
oh, this was my childhood to a t. one night things escalated TOO quickly and it kind of broke any desire i had to feel like a member of the family and i really sank into my bedroom until college
I was in a cult and the way you described how they form is fantastic. We were kicked out of our church and started meeting separately. The man in charge started off quoting and teaching from the Bible in a manner that was very Christian. Over time, he incorporated his own opinions and drifted away from the Bible. He would stay involved with the members on an individual level and when people were in a vulnerable situation (mental health struggles, family issues, relationship problems), he made himself available as a confidant. He took advantage of people’s vulnerability at every opportunity. He made it seem like the world would persecute us by twisting the Gospel, so we could only rely on each other. The manipulation, absurd ideas, and offering the solution to every problem formulates gradually. It’s not preachers on the side of the road screaming at passerby. It’s people who offer themselves as someone to confide in and assist vulnerable persons. The only reason I realized I was in a cult was because I was listening to a podcast about cults and recognizing traits of what they were describing in my “church.” It’s important that people know what to look for so they don’t fall into the schemes of people looking for power.
Oh. My. God. I can't imagine the horror and pain Solange felt. I went through surgical hell, and I don't think it could ever compare to what she felt. I had a feeding tube rip my intestine. For two weeks, no doctor would take me seriously when I told them something was wrong. That whole time, E. Coli filled my abdomen, collapsed my lung, and shut down my kidneys and liver. I was dying. It was so incredibly painful, that I was on round the clock Dilaudid, and it didn't touch the pain. I told them I would rather give birth unmedicated 10 times than to feel that again. I hope Gabriella is well. She really was a hero.
@@deadoneeyetheunkillable3591 Unfortunately, the most idiotic ones in my state, apparently. I'm lucky to have found much better doctors since then, but I definitely have PTSD from it.
Most doctors are such absolute stubborn fucking idiots who swear they're always right and are the epitome of the fact that being book smart doesn't equal intelligence.
@@dxshawn532Meh, I wouldn't go that far. I've met some truly amazing doctors at MD Anderson. They never made us feel insignificant or stupid for any questions, and treated us like family during treatments. I've just had to learn to speak up for myself on a LOT of issues.
@@Thefruitspeaks ok but don't gaslight yourself that sexism in medicine (not believing women's pain) is a failure on your part to speak up for yourself. I'm sure you actually did.
Matthew MacDonald is probably also a terrible person given that he's on a life sentence as well, but he did at least one good thing. But Gabriella is 100% a hero.
Yeah, there is no question. But it goes to show you there are degrees of evil and depravity. There is a guy who maybe choked his girlfriend to death and is filth, but then there is cutting out a conscious woman's intensines, filling it up with air and then make men who think they are helping a healer resurrect a woman.. use the seed of man while knowing yourself it isn't going to do a thing, is just on some other level I couldn't even begin to comprehend.
@@-xphobia It almost doesn't sound real, like if it was in a movie you would either laugh or turn it off. But the fact that it's true is horrifying on an almost unthinkable level.
What you said at the end about the girl who escaped despite knowing the consequences of being caught was really special. She most definitely saved others from being tortured and abused.
@@chickenlover657 there are many experiments proving that this can happen extremely easily. Being a strong manipulator myself, I can most assuredly tell you - it's really easy to get people to do and feel what you want, given enough charisma, deception, and slow approach.
I'm from quebec and heard a lot about this in high school. Gabrielle Lavallée even came to our school to talk about it as prevention about cults. She even said she still have that needle in her back, which is chilling to even think about. Your point about the frog feels exactly how she explained it. I hope no one has to ever live that sort of thing ever again
The frog in the boiling water is an analogy, it’s not professed as how to cook a frog it’s professed as how people can get used to things (no matter good or bad) if your surroundings change slowly.
Late response, but I only just discovered this channel. There was a real experiment done with putting a live frog in boiling water, except there's one part that's frequently ignored: most of the frog's brain was removed beforehand. This became popularized as proof that the brain somehow houses a part of the soul, then it was "rewritten" (lied about) to not mention the brain removal part as proof that animals don't have a sense of logic (even though they do, it just happens to be in that thing that was removed in the experiment) and if you somehow bypass an animal's reflexes then they're basically inanimate. Now it has basically been "rewritten" many times by people trying to prove increasingly insane points until it somehow got attached to the originally unrelated idea of cognitive dissonance. Which, while it's nice that it teaches people about a real thing for once, sucks when people try to disprove cognitive dissonance by attacking this originally unrelated and bad experiment.
@@workingtitle7049 his research is a bit meh.His disturbing movie list was full of errors.Like saying that the last tier was *only* snuff while in reality 90% of them are mixtapes
Kio Bio my guy, idk if you're just being the average edgy troll or just have a shit day/life, but i simply found it strange to just laugh at something serious like that-- just seems like a tad insensitive and bizarre response to an actual dead person, there's really not much to cry about here?? Just honest confusion on my part. And seriously I don't get what's with certain people responding to any criticism with "go cry about it", like its become a mf comment cliche lmao.
Talking about how thankful you are for your subscribers and now being over 3 million. Congratulations man, you should be very proud. You do amazing work and I'm glad it's going well ❤
I'm currently reading Gabrielle Lavallee's (the cult member who had her arm amputated by Roch) book and although I am very used to gruesome true crime stories, this is a really hard one to get through. Roch makes Manson look like a choir boy. Edit: She's the mother of the 2 month old baby who died but it's doubtful she did it on purpose. Edit 2: the guy who was castrated was actually operated on . Edit 3: Gabrielle 's arm was amputated by a curved carpet knife, not a chainsaw. This is all from Gabrielle Lavallee's book and she actually came to speak at my high school. I guess a lot is lost in translation.
So why did she leave her child outside?? It's still torture no matter what was used carpet knife or chainsaw, operated on or castrated. I'm also pretty sure that the two year old child didn't give a shit either I don't think a lot was lost in translation.
Man... leave Charlie alone... There's literally nothing but hearsay that says he did anything at all other than cut that one dudes ear with a sword. I get it, he's an easy target, but he still didn't really do anything that anybody can actually prove, and he was given an illegal trial without retrial, so legally if you want to be technical, Charlie Manson committed no crimes of which he was detained for, cuz he was never given the ability to speak for himself during his trial. They already had the guilty plea ready when they started cuffing people up off the street. Charlie was convicted and sentenced by the court of public opinion. And public opinion was guided by the media because they needed a scape goat Boogeyman to cash in on. Picture the whole thing without charlie, it wouldn't be very controversial and money-making if some hippies coming down off acid were the murderers. After maybe about a year, it would be old news. But a hippie "cult leader" with "magical powers" or "followers who are under mind control". Smh.. Charlie had what we now cal a "trap house". Living on the street is hard. Being a throw away is hard, there's a high chance that yall wouldn't understand what that's like. Charlie Manson might've been a lot of things, but the things he was didn't warrant a life sentence.
@@morallyflexiblesapphic7287 L' alliance de la Brebis, which translates to " the aliance of the sheep" I don't think there's an English version but another book is Savage Messiah.
@@mytruecrimelibrary :(.... Of u find an English ver. Do let me know thou. Thank you soo much I think I'll get the other one. Is savage messiah also a personal account?
It's amazing how respectful he is and how he humanizes the victims. With cults, people tend to act as if the followers are as bad as the leaders (why didn't they leave, or say anything..), but there is so much more to it. My husband's aunt was part of the cult, and the impact it has had on her and her family is completely unimaginable.
I think he is Not only respectful I think he does this whole explanation to a Point where you could say that it is really Professional Like He Not only explains the topic He also tells his own View to These so you can get a little Insight on him I Love your Videos Dude Much Love from germany
Thank you as an ex member of a cult. The children of God. The best thing that happened to me was getting thrown out. They hid a lot of the real bad crap from the new members. They taught us what they called the truth. At some point they would teach us the stuff they kept hidden. I never reached that level that is a good thing. This is many years ago and I still battle the damage done at that time. That was in the mid 70s. TomCat P.S. I was know as Methuselah Zion when I was a member. They make you assume a new name upon joining.
I can't believe no one has any questions or comments under this. Everyone's more enamored with the frog comment than anything else. And that's a shame.
While its a good thing you never reached the level where they explain the hidden dark secrets, its also unfortunate at the same time because you could have used that information and exposed the cult.
My parents were members of an offshoot of the Mustard Seed Jesus house, and I was abused by a chief member for 5 years. So were my sisters and brothers.
I just discovered you and I love how straightforward you are when you explain these cases/stories. You don’t dramatize or romanize anything and I respect that
If someone's supposedly basing their group on the Bible & starts giving times for Christ's return, you know they're off the rails. The Bible clearly says no one knows the time of Christ's return. Matthew 24.
Yeah always find this weird if not even Christ know when he is going to return why believe in humans? But then again people that follow the bible rarely reads it...
@@CoolMagmar It isn't even that they don't read it. People interpret the Bible in wildly different ways. Even stuff you wouldn't think can be interpreted differently.
Was just watching the religion and cult iceberg video and got to the part where you said it’s going to be a separate video about this. I’m so pumped this came out so soon!
Bro I actually met Gabriella like 7 years ago while I was in high school she came in to talk to us about her experiences since we learned about the cult in religion class, she's incredible man
As someone that has been around heavy abusers, i can honestly tell you that more people are capable of this evil than you would think. You would be surprised at how many people around you will learn to live with that evil.
Absolutely. It personally angers me when people say the world is mostly a good place. No. The first world is mostly a comfortable place. Where people put on their happy faces in broad daylight and the same nice old farmer you see every day during your gas station shift abuses his grand daughter behind closed doors. That or people's lives are going too comfortably to unleash the hell they otherwise would on the world. A person in uncomfortable circumstances does bad things easier. I grew up in the trailer dwelling white trash junkie world. Things happen in those trailers that would end up a wendigoon video if it came out. We may come from different things but people like us have seen the true face of humanity. I believe humans are capable of choosing morality, I myself do often, but I cannot pretend the world is anything but a bunch of ugly people mostly pretending to be upright who would do the kinds of evil they say they wouldn't if their comfort weren't kept up. And like you say, it's surprising how many are willing to put up with the evil when it is present.
@@godwarrior3403 If that were true, society wouldn't exist. People are typically moral, because the fact of the matter is if most people weren't, then the civilization that we know and live in simply would have never come to be. There is no doubt some evil shit, and it may be pervasive in a number of areas/regions, but it's by no means the rule. I don't think the world is a good place either, but misanthropy just never sat right because it plain and simply isn't logically sound.
I think it's important to emphasize that not everyone that is unhappy and in a bad situation is prone to joining a cult. People that fall victim to this have very particular characteristics. Not anyone can be brainwashed. Cult leaders notice easily influencable people and prey on them.
"The world will always be an evil place as long as there's people like Roch Theriault, but it will also always be a good place as long as there's people like Gabriela" Beautifully stated
I haven’t watched very many of his videos but from what I’ve seen, he always tries to leave things positively. I really like that. These are such heavy videos and it’s important to remember there’s still mostly good in the world too
@@voidbreather7405 it is politicians who decide the different punishments for different crimes though. Look at any country that is considered more right-wing and you'll see harsher punishment for crime.
That's how most countries work. If you didn't kill someone you're not going to get life in prison in most cases. When it came out that he did, in fact, kill people he was given life in prison.
The part of the woman having a stomach ache made me sick. This is the first time I've ever feel so nauseous about something I heard. Just thinking about it makes me wanna vomit. Poor woman, I really hope she's in a better place now. Rest in peace.
@@igitha..._ Whaaat, it's true. That's how the original experiment was done. It's just that people either don't know or leave that part of the experiment out for the sake of the analogy.
i've heard about several disturbing cases, but this was the first one in a long time that made me say "what the fuck" out loud, i was so visibly disgusted i had to pause several times.
same here man. you know shits fucked when a man is so incessantly vile, even men who’ve done abhorrent things themselves were disgusted by him. knowing his cell mate fucking walloped his ass with a shiv, openly admitted to it, then called him a piece of shit, made me feel a smidge better about it all. still fucked to all hell.
The Solange segment really just made me angry. Its painful knowing a person has the capability to want to cause that much harm to another, and to feel righteous or just with such actions. Horrible.
Cult leaders also remove responsiblity from themselves and place that on to the victim. You convince the victim that it's their fault they suffer and they will be willing to punish themselves and thank the leader for pushing them to "grow".
@@lukebytes5366 people who think they're too smart to fall for a cult are prime for that very thing. It's much more insidious than most people realize and I get it can be hard to empathize with such extreme stuff. But we see the ending not the beginning.
@@ginnygin7141Let me say it like this, I feel horrible for the kids. The adults that willingly put themselves into this situation are absolutely partially to blame, not in a way that makes the leader any less of a monster. But I don't feel as bad, they willingly followed a stranger into a comune, it's not like this was the first cult or anything. It's sad what happened to them, but like when a worker dies doing something clearly unsafe or stupid I can't say I feel much "pitty".
@@vilecreature8640 it deeply saddened me that no one else but the leader was charged, especially considering they mothered his children while he was in jail.. i wish them and only them the worst.
As someone who watches dark and disturbing videos, this one always makes me sick to my stomach. It’s scary to say the least just what some people are capable of doing while getting others to join along.
Very *very* gruesome murder, he stabbed Danny Bryce, a taxi Driver, in the neck 19 times, for a fare he though was hiked up. So He wasn't a good person by any means, but a he did one last good deed I suppose.
The movie Midsommar made a great job of letting you experience sympathy with a cult. A good study of how this suble manipulation works to the point that we as the audience sympathize with a crazy cult.
I wonder if they had made the main character a man who was given the choice to kill a cheating girlfriend whether the audience would be able to sympathize with him in that decision. I doubt that people would be as willing to emphasize then.
@@greywolf7577 i mean, i don't think it would've been that way. The story is set-up for you to sympathize with Dani, because you see what led her to kill her ahole boyfriend. Not saying murder is justified, but if told in the way the movie did, you're bound to be swayed by it. It would've been exactly the same if the movie had a male character, because you'd see him experience the death and murder of his family, the inattentiveness of his gf, the way another woman would start caring for him and ultimately you'd sympathize with the cult nevertheless, and you'd justify the murder of his gf. The point of the whole movie is not to prove gender influenced bias lmao. Is to prove how easily you can be manipulated by a cult of you're in a bad time mentally. I think your take was purposefully misleading just so you could make it about gender and not the actual main topic: cults.
for real, reminds me of that dude in jail for like because of gang violence in his teenage years that killed two rapist pedos while he was there and just collected a couple more life sentences to keep some kids safe in the future. it’s brutal but sometimes shit has to be done
I can legitimately say that out of all my years listening to what serial killers and cults and crap have done that this is, without a doubt, one of the most horrific I've come across.
My mother grew up in Burnt River, around the time that Roch and company were there. My grandmother still has an Ant Hill Kids maple syrup bottle - there was open knowledge of this cult in the area, but there was so little the community could do, being a very small community in Ontario.
Cool., my girl lives in burnt!, ive been around burnt river for the last 5 years even lived thier for a year and done a lot of research on the area its amazing up there. Does she still have the maple syrup bottle ??
the "frog in water concept" is just a metaphor (or used as an example of sorites paradox when discussing philosphy) you can't cook actually a frog like that they have a thing called critical thermal maximum which makes them respond with sporadic random movements if they start to get too hot.
True. The original experiment which spawned the legend used a frog which has its brain destroyed with a needle prior to placing it in the water. I believe the experiment was to study how the autonomic nervous system (responsible for unconscious response to stimuli) responds to changes in temperature, but I can't remember for certain.
@@sarahholland2600 uh it's not a fact that god n stuff isn t real but I get what ur saying cuz if u say oh I'm a christian too and u share ur belief and u slowly start to twist it
@@sarahholland2600 uh huh not like science hasnt commited blatanly cruel unseary acts without reason before what group of people are famous for that i think one loved skulls on there uniform? "sarcasm"
@@wilmagregg3131 I never said it hadn't. Putting words into people's mouths is also a manipulative strategy . My statement says people who believe in concepts over facts are easier to manipulate . Anyone can say Jesus spoke to me & said give me your money to build a Church.
@@sarahholland2600 Anyone can claim scientific fact as well; strangely cults actually don't have much to do with religion at all it's about the pressure of fitting into the community. Cults work most often with a religious basis because delusional people who start them are more likely to go off on some strange tangent of insanity which most often manifests its self in the realm of the "believe or die" mentality. Not all Religions are "believe or die" which is why some religions aren't often the basis of cults while others are. Scientific cults don't often exist because it's the delusional mysticism which is most interesting to those who are in a bad enough state of mind to consider starting a cult. In terms of the followers it isn't as simple as being fact based or concept based as all people are much more easily convinced when put in a cult like setting, even those that "believe in facts". Really, it's vulnerable people that get drawn into cults, those who aren't sure what they believe and those who are down on their luck or looking for something. Everyone has their reasons for why they believe something that doesn't mean if a cult leader convinces them of their ideas they are going to follow a cult leader, they follow a cult leader because their lives are in an "unstable" situation. Believing in concepts is not the basis of manipulation, otherwise hardcore conspiracy theorists would be easy to manipulate, and normally they are the hardest people to manipulate. The basis of manipulation is life instability which can happen to anyone.
My childhood in Scientology is sounding pretty sweet right about now, after hearing this. All I had to deal with is starvation, sexual grooming and missing time.
Trauma is trauma. Don’t undermine yours just because someone else had it worse, because if we’re being honest, there’s ALWAYS gonna be someone who has had it the worst. Thank God you were able to get out though, and I wish you a good life my friend.
I’m from a town 20 minutes from Burnt River. Many of the kids who were removed from the cult were adopted by local families. I went to school with a bunch of them. Many of them didn’t know they were related.
it kind of astounds me how creatively twisted and sadistic he got with the torture methods. i've never actually wanted to barf from words alone until the stomachache story.
Same with woman who get “tricked” into the pimp game, ur giving all the money u make to some guy who offers “protection” BUY A GUN u ignorant hoe, ur making 5k a week yet getting told when to eat, “swim with sharks and ur gonna get bit” applies to every situation
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It's a bad sign when he says "now we're going into the bad stuff" and two people are already dead, including a small child.
It somehow just kept getting worse and worse. Like, Holy shit!
I cannot emphasise when I say this is by far the most horrifying thing I've learned about. Mostly because it was real
I have never had a skin crawling disturbed feeling watching these kinds of vids, but this one got me big time, he really wasn't kidding 😧
ok...that happened. I learned my lesson. no more leaving youtube playing wendigoon while not paying attention. I mean i thought this was about cults, not the goddamn daemonculaba from w40k
@@MasterCode86 that shit has still got me traumatized.......hate really really hate iron mongers
@@yashsawarn9050 brother.
You know it's a special kind of bad when the least gruesome death is a two month old being abandoned outside to freeze.
@@kiobio7311 that’s not funny
@@issh1n down with US it is
@@kiobio7311 ur a loser bud
And they still followed him into oblivion what a bunch of idiots
@@kiobio7311 and no one cares who "us" is
Georgia Brown is the name of the absolute angel of a social worker responsible for bringing to light the horrific crimes committed against the children and was an important contributor to getting Roch thrown in prison. She later committed suicide after being unable to live with the horrors she witnessed throughout her investigation. Never forget her name. Georgia Brown.
GOD bless that woman 🙏 🤴💗🕊️
Sweet Georgia Brown, you can't make that up Dude
What an absolute legend of a person.
thank you for mentioning this fact, angels deserve recognition.
Sad that doing good hurt her so bad.
I love watching old wendigoon videos and hearing him gush over having a few thousand subscribers when he's at 2.5 million now
Which is just nuts since this was only two years ago. I’ve never seen anything like this!
Same. It’s nice to see how far he came. He’s at 3 million now.
Seriously
5.1 million now🎉
@@A_Few_Too_Many_Hyperfixationsthat's the view count.
"She later died the next day"
Oh no...
"He decided it was his job to resurrect her"
*Ohhhh noooo.....*
I knew where that was going the second he said that
Woke my girl up because this made me laugh so hard not even mad tho im still laughing
Just like the Blood on the Ice quest in Skyrim.
was expecting a kool aid man joke
“with the seed of man” NOOO
One of the survivors of the Jonestown massacre made the salient point that nobody joins a "cult": People join churches, or people join a political group or a social movement. They believe in something beyond themselves, a larger goal, and it makes sense that it would take more than one person to accomplish such goals. The goal will then shift over time, as a group becomes more insular. It can end up being a world away from the group or the cause which initially drew in members, but, by then, it may be too late to leave.
yes, and the people born into them dont know any different
scary truth
Well put.
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some people are just sick. and some people will just stand there and let it happen because of this pacifist mindset. its not about beliefs its about instincts
I love how it seems to be a common occurrence that those who harm children are extremely hated by literal murderers. Even they know that there is no more heinous crime than hurting a child.
That's why serial killers become so infamous and get away with so many crimes. It takes a special kind of fucked up to hurt a child, and most serial killers harmed at least one child even if their main targets aren't children. Even Jeffrey Dahmer, someone who was motivated by a twisted sense of love and not inherently by hate or anger, harmed at least one child. That's why he was killed in jail.
He kept his word, he's doing a video on it.
And fast too!
Love it
would expect nothing less from this guy.
now this man is a Keeper
And for that reason, I cannot wait for the Giants deep dive
I really like you humanizing the victims. So often victims of cults are portrayed as gullible people when they're usually no different from everyone else. It only helps the formation of cults because many victims don't even question it because "they're too smart to enter a cult" or "they know better"
No, they're legitimately really fucking gullible and stupid.
@@ultraguy14 Yeah, have fun being ignorant and hope you don't get unlucky. People like you are the exact sort of people that generally find themselves in cults or scams, as in the people who view themselves as "intelligent" or the others as "gullible and stupid" are often the easiest prey. This is precisely one of the things MLMs take advantage of as well, so don't think it's just fringe cult groups that entrap people like you.
@harry Johnson Dude, everyone in a cult or something similar will view other cults as stupid. Just because you used to see stupid cults doesn't make you immune and honestly makes it sound like you're in something cult-like yourself.
Everyone relies on something, whether that is objects, others, or themselves. If you don't realize your needs that makes you pretty susceptible...
You're also pretty wrong about me as if that had anything to do with what I said
@harry Johnsonthe target demograph of cults are literally the weak....people who are lost and have no direction in life cuz its easier to manipulate them and give them something to believe into....they don't target the privileged imo
@harry Johnson Why should I trust a commie from Cali?
I actually met Gabrielle Lavallée about a decade ago when I was in secondary school. She was doing talks about her life with the cult to sensitize us about the dangers of cults and how effective cult leaders can be. The fact that this woman still lives on and has the strength to be open about those atrocities is commendable.
I will never forget how after the talk, I came to her and talked about how I could relate to her early life (she had a very tough childhood, and at the time she was recruited, she had done many things that left her mentally vulnerable, which is the type of people cult leaders love to prey on the most), and how her story opened my eyes to how easily I could have be dragged into something similar at the time. She gave me a long hug, and thanked me... She's an incredibly kind lady, and I hope she's still doing well.
Also PS: You forgot a VERY important thing about Roc; he referred to himself, and forced his own followers, to call him "Moise", the French name for Moses. He really took the messenger of God thing to the next level.
Intresting
I was actually wondering if she was still around. I'm glad to hear she's doing well. She's apparently still doing lectures.
Pal I hope she was Deathly Humble because she was literally part of it.
@@Fruckert yes she is. she also came to my school 3-4 years ago
Wish I could meet her, she sounds like an absolute badass. She got her arm CHAINSAWED OFF and still tried again! And succeeded! She's a hero in my eyes
22:46 Matthew really just rolled up and said “he’s dead, I killed him, you’re welcome.”
Hey what did I do
Let's be fair, that counts as a -1 murder. Basically, he needs a second look at the parole board.
I don't exactly agree with the idea of vigilante murder, but considering Matthew's circumstance (as in he had nothing to lose), that was probably the most selfless thing he could have done.
I would have shortened his sentence a bit for that.
@@barbararab6390 i thought the same at first, but apparently the dude was in prison for stabbing a cab driver 19 times because "he thought Bryce was running up the cab fare." so maybe he should have just gotten a more comfortable cell or something.
"Gabriella tried again" is perhaps the most hopeful statement for humanity I've heard in years.
Damn.
I know, right? Good for her. What a strong woman.
As someone from Quebec, I was told that story as a cautionary tale about how even someone as strong as Gabrielle Lavallée can fall victim to cult tactics. It was told to me as her survival story, not the one of that power hungry bastard. I'm glad that her courage is being remembered over his vileness.
@@jea7362she’s doing an amazing job doing it. Just recently she visited several high schools in the province sharing her story to hs students. What our generation needs :)
unbelievable bravery
Gabrielle came to our school and explained to us without edit how he cut her arm. She was extremely clear and direct with her words. I can still see her pacing quietly on stage, a grave matter of factly voice. I was 16 yo her story stayed with me every since.
Can you add anything else? Not voyeuristically, but I mean, when else would you ever hear such a human struggle and terrible triumph over evil.
@@737215 It was almost 20 years ago... But I remember the way she explained that it was a "rusted knife" and that the worst part was the bone. brrr its gives me shivers just to think about it. She explained how she was constantly exhausted, the work was brutal and often - pointless. I'm pretty sure she wrote a book that would be available in english.
@Rynnie Yes! To warn about cults. She also pointed out some examples of people that are being preyed upon and redflags. For instance, they take lonely people, or people in vulnerable situations, they can asking to cut your existing relationships, they can ask you to surrender your finance to them etc... In the end its all about the gang mindset...
@@hellzapoppinUp interesting 🤔 similar to narcissistic, controlling, abusive husbands i hear about examples in my work every single day. Terrible.
When I was a senior in high school they took us on a field trip... to the state penitentiary. We visited with 3 of the inmates there. The first one warned us about the dangers of using. He blamed marijuana for his crimes and would not accept responsibility for his actions. He was there for cutting his girlfriend's head off and driving through 3 states with it in the passenger seat. The second inmate warned us that the actions of others could also affect you, even if you don't know anything about it. He was there because his friend decided to rob a gas station and kill the clerk without even telling him what he had done while he sat outside in the car. The third inmate warned us that we should never do anything to end up in prison because no matter how big or strong you are, there's way too many people there who aren't your friends, and if they want to do something to you there's nothing you can do to stop it. He was there because he had sexually abused a child and he had been raped by other men many, many times after he got there.
Abuse rarely starts with the physical abuse. It starts by emotionally wearing you down until you believe abuse is "normal". This guy was seriously twisted. Gross. I feel for the people who endured his abuse.
You mean the people who stood by and not only allowed this disgusting crap to happen, but actively participated in it? Yeah I really feel sorry for them 🙄... but you know who I actually feel sorry for? The victims. The victims being the only innocent members in this sick cult, the children. The children are the only ones who should be called victims, everyone else should be rotting away in a prison cell.
@@TimeForDunston Don't get me wrong, I don't see these people as victims, but you can't disregard the psychological manipulation they go through to get to that point. Some of them could probably still see the wrong, but got involved to a point when it was too late and a cult leader (usually intelligent) can quickly realize this and put more control over them. Remember also rebellion means death if you don't have the majority on your side.
Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to just say throw them all in jail. A court wouldn't either.
@@TimeForDunston i dont think you understand how abuse works. my little sister and i both grew up in the same abusive environment, we are both victims, but there have been times where she would deliberately do things to hurt me or make my abuser hurt me. when youve been that thoroughly brainwashed by someone you just become a tool for them and it feels like doing their bidding and being cruel to other victims is the only way to have a little bit of control and make the abuser happy so they dont turn on you. same thing goes for bullying victims who turn into bullies as a means to regain control. the only person who benefits from this is the abuser at the top. even the people in the cult who committed acts of cruelty for the leader were victims. they were all victims. they have to live with that guilt. them being adults has very little to do with it, adults are not immune to brainwashing and abuse. its insane how much empathy you seem to lack
Like the “new normal”?
@@peenyweeny3834 well said, thank you for pointing that out
If I recall correctly from reading Gabrielle's book many years ago, Roch stabbed her hand on a table and left her there for hours. He decided to "amputate" when he realised it was getting infected, but he didn't use a chainsaw, he used a carpet knife, and (I think), an axe to break the bone.
No way he used a carpet knife. That's insane
What part of any of this wasn't insane.
@@xXJLNINJAXx In the 1800s amputation was done with a similar instrument that was used to sever nerves by slashing the area at a full 360 degrees and then a bone saw would be employed to finish the amputation.
@@TheRoseRevolver so he used the carpet knife to just cut the flesh?
@@xXJLNINJAXx No i would assume he stopped at the bone.
Matthew Gerrard MacDonald.
Never forget that name. He killed Roch and went straight to the guards and gave them the shiv and said to them “That piece of shit is down on the range”. He was already serving a life sentence for a previous murder he committed and was given another life sentence for Roch’s death. A man with nothing to lose can be a scary thing to evil and a blessing for the good folk.
I'm against remembering and spreading the names of murderers, as to not give them the gratification they seek via recognition for their atrocities, but this man deserves to be remembered. While he may have committed a horrid act beforehand, he was given a chance to make the world a better place and he took it.
At that point, I wonder what happens? Like, do they got death sentence if they collect enough life sentence?
@@cypherusuh if anything he's just going to be put to the bottom of the list as it's a new crime? Some judges probably appreciate people like him. Mad dogs, while tragic, are seldom redeemed. They stay ravid, and only death will cure their madness. I am not referring to actual dogs.
@@lucamckenn5932 Well spoken.
@@taxisalad that beginning really threw me off lol
I read Gabrielle Lavallée's biography, titled "L'Alliance de la Brebis", and I have to say it's the single most upsetting, horrifying, gut-wrenching thing I've ever come across. To this very day, I'm still traumatized by some of the things I've read in that book. The memory of those events still haunt and sicken me to a degree I can't quite describe, and I remain baffled by the fact that Gabrielle somehow survived what has been done to her.
Something that isn't mentioned in this video is that she was left on the cold wooden floor of the very same room she was amputated in as the other members later went to bed, and she spent the whole night there, crying and bleeding, with her severed arm lying a mere few feet away from her. She described it as being almost an out-of-body experience for how surreal it was, to just see her own limb on its own like that and discarded in a dirty corner like some piece of junk.
Before that, other tortures included her being lifted up by the ankles and dropped on her head repeatedly until she passed out, left outside naked in the harsh winter cold for nearly an hour, beaten up by all the members at once, thrown from a balcony and dragged back up only to be thrown again, and sexually assaulted by Roch countless times.
...I'm just gonna say it: the fact that she lived to tell the tale is a miracle.
Humans are fortunately/unfortunately more durable than we like to think. A blessing and a curse, depending on the situation.
Does it come in english?
@@stoleneyez I second this. I unfortunately don't understand french
@@stoleneyez I checked, but couldn't find an English title. This might explain why this story is not as broadly known as it should be, because it's easily the most nightmarish testimony I've ever read. Like nothing even comes close to it, and I've heard and seen a lot of things.
A part of me wants to read it. Another never wants to read it.
Even if I can't read French. It seemed like an important read.
I feel like everyone misunderstands Macdonald. He didn't kill the cult leader because he thought what he did was horrible. But because he wouldn't shut up about it. He basically killed dude for being annoying. Not for being evil.
Thats.... even better
Honestly kinda funny
Understandable
I mean, unless you have some sort of evidence to prove that, you're just making an assumption. He did called the guy a "piece of shit" so he might have also thought the guy was fucking evil as well as annoying. If he did kill Roch just because he thought of him as annoying, that works for me too. At least he ended him. People like Roch are why people still support the death penalty to this day.
@@ABeardedSage evidence like what mofo want me to produce a signed affidavit it's literally why it happened. Roche was an equally dangerous psycho killer and one of the first things he said when handing the shiv to the gaurd was the guy wouldn't shut up
That poor little 2 year old boy, that really bummed me out 😢 I hope your soul is at peace little guy x
I had something like a bolt of literal physical pain flash thru me when he said that and I almost had to stop watching.
I know this sounds bad, but it's better off being dead than living life with destroyed mangled genitals. imagine being a man who can't even be love... imagine all the complications...
That Matthew guy who was Rochs cellmate is a complete savage, he got vengeance without even caring for it.
I can respect a psycho with standards.
Already got life, might as well do something good with your time.
He just wanted peace & quiet. Was that too much to ask for? But noooooo....some full-of-himself jerk yammering on daily about his sex-capades and the abuse he inflicted on others. I bet Matthew (my son's name) was triggered when Ol' Roque started bragging about mutilating that baby's peschadeel and killing the man with special needs and having 20 kids and getting conjugal visits. Probably sent him right over the edge, the idea that Roque was going to be up for parole in a few months...He shanked that joker and didn't feel an ounce of remorse.
Same case as that guy who killed child rapist in prison. He got 8 life sentence or something, and got another one for killing the rapist.
Matthew should've been bailed out
The frog senario only applies to frogs that were lobotomized, actually, unlobotomized frogs jump out.
This is important to know because it's not just "bringing up the heat slowly" that gets these kind of abusive cults get going. Roke already had "lobotomized" his victims by tricking and charming them into befriending him before he invited them to the "boiling pot" of the cult.
and i’m fairly certain that tossing a frog into boiling water will greatly injure the frog, if not kill it immediately
@@chefcooks86 it depends on how hot the water is
yeah but at this point, it's just a saying and even though it isn't literally true. The metaphor still tracks.
Came here to say this: the frogs brains were removed in the initial experiments. Glad someone else pointed it out immediately. so thank you. :)
@@mabeylane7163 not as was said in the video, that kinda misinformation can do more harm then good.
"This is where it gets a little intense."
That's fine, i've seen some messed up shit
"He then grabbed a scalpel and-" AAAAAAAAA
that smooth human Yoda is intense
Delete your pfp
@@bellebonebag8096 Make me
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Only 2 minutes in and comments like this are getting me excited. This better be bad or I'm going to be disappointed.
25:39 and now on his way to 4M. So happy for this man.
The fact that a guy can get just 12 years in prison chopping someone's limb off with a chainsaw is insane.
But get caught with weed and it's 20+ it's messed up
@@WolfieDawn Quebec is in Canada... you get like 7 to 10 years for murder here lol
Our justice system is F’d up like that. There’s a guy in my town who was drunk while driving a boat, ended up crashing his boat into another boat and killed 4 people: two parents and their kids. He got 5 years… meanwhile someone was accused of sexually assaulting his ex and got mandatory sentencing of 25 years. Feel like one of these crimes is way worse than the other. And the sex assault guy turned out to be innocent and released 10 years in when new evidence came to light that his ex had in fact made up the crime after they split. That’s America for ya
thats his 3 charges combined breh
@@silasfish5379 absolutely
Gabrielle's hometown is the same as mine and she often goes to schools to talk about her experiences in a cult and how someone ends up joining and staying in one despite the abuse. She's an incredible woman with a immense sense of humour!
I would love to hear her story from HER. What she lived is unspeakable, but it's great that she can help educate others from the trauma she went through. I hope she's doing well ☺️
I've read Gabrielle's book and no movie (yeah they've done one) can do it justice.
@@daveleblanc3558 Yeah it's impossible to truly depict such horror. Before her visit to our class, the teacher actually made us watch the movie
I read L' alliance de la brebis years ago and it's a wonderfull book but some chapter are hard to read beacause of all the abuse depicted in it, but it gives a good idea on how much of a monster Roch Térieault was. It's a good thing he's no more. It's the first book I've ever read in French.
Edit: Grammar. english isn't my language.@@scrapbones.
She truly is a hero in her own right. The strength to survive and come out to try preventing it, preemptively saving others. How she didn't lose her mind, but come out of it as an inspiration is incredible. Bless her.
I really respect how you handle the subjects you do without acting all mystical voodoo or horror nightmare on us. You just talk about stuff that’s interesting like a normal guy, and we appreciate it. Much love
Yes
Ikr that's really what makes his content appealing for me
so refreshing to not hear the same generic scary piano music or creepy depressing voice like 'they will kill you' or other channels do
No glitch effects.
agreed! and not a bunch of "what if these people were .•*mentally ill*•.? wouldn't that be spooooky?"
There's a class they make you take at most women's shelters with a whole packet dedicated to identifying manipulative &/ narcissistic relationships. I think EVERYONE should take that course. In fact I'm going to find my packet to upload.
I can't stop thinking about that poor 2 year old little boy. Children really are at the mercy of their parents.
10teaCorlz(golfklubilyunairz!)?
Good pfp tho mariachad
I know, poor baby
Top kek get noscoped kid
Horrible mother
One name that deserves to be brought up alongside Gabrielle's is Georgia Brown. She was a social worker who spent years making surprise visit after surprise visit, carefully documenting everything that happened, to get the children away from Roch. She passed away in 2015 after taking her own life.
Dang I’m interested, why did she do it?
@@garrettcloud Really? You're asking why.
@@The_Chillton it doesn’t necessarily have to be related to the ant hills
@@raaaaaaaaaam496 Yeah but, it's not exactly unsafe to assume that had a little to do with her significant time under abuse.
@@garrettcloud Your psyche can only handle so much before you have to step back to heal.
Doesn't matter why, that's what happened. Can assure you she felt hopeless and helpless though.
Yikes, what he did to that woman with the stomach pains was something straight out of a nightmare.
yikes
Yikes
Yikes
yikes
Yikes
Solange went through just pure torture. He removed a portion of her intestines and shoved everything back in. She would have been in agony and also leaking fecal matter into her abdomen causing complete sepsis. The only thing to be grateful for is she died on her own before he attempted anymore “surgeries “
Whoever killed roch, that was genuinely one of the most badass moves I’ve ever heard of. And then to just drop off the weapon he used and admit to it. Not trying to glorify murder, but that was still dope.
Already serving a life sentence. What did he have to lose?
Gee, I sure hope the sex offenders and exploiters don't get housed with the violent guy with rage issues but otherwise strong morals...
(From what I have read, it was that he wouldn't shut up, not a direct vengeance attack, there's a reason Roch's cell mate already had a life sentence, and it's probably as well he kept serving it)
You're not black 😂😂😂 stop saying "on sight" you're stealing from black culture
He got a Mcdouble life sentence
It's not super rare for this kind of thing to happen in prison. These guys already have life sentences. They dont need to make a big stink about murder or invite disruptive lockdowns and investigations. They can just kill and then go about their business
my moms analogy for people staying in situations like this despite whats happening to them is "cant see how much shit you're in if you're swimming in it"
Pretty apt analogy.
What about dead bodies?
But I can...? I can clearly see the water when I'm swimming
@@cxri9454 i said shit not water. also yeah, you know you're swimming, but you dont know how big the lake is when you're inside it. metaphor babey
@@EELClove98 shit or water, I'd clearly be able to see it if I'm swimming in it. And you do know how big a lake is. Maybe not to exact proportion, but you can tell it's a lot of water. You can tell the difference between shallow water and deep water.
I wasn't even aware that such a cult existed until now, people are scary
Impossible, you don’t have thousands of likes and thousands of replies here?
That’s how I felt with the Rajneeshpuram cult!!! Like so much shit went down that I wouldn’t have known about if it wasn’t for the docuseries
@@sydneyp7867 Sydney Rajneeshburam has all sorts of gross vibes but that was also more of an operation. This dude must have been pretty charming. Speaking of which, I think I just found my dream job. Sydney, Ross, and anyone else reading this, how would you guys like to come spend the rest of quarantine at my compound?
I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE
Holy shit, I found you again. I used to find you on every vid I watched, and now you are back lmao
The amount of gratitude and humility that you expressed is one of the most genuinely human act that I’ve seen on the internet in a while. I can feel it through the screen two years later where now have 5.1 million subscribers including me. Awesome channel with awesome content made by an awesome person!
I think when people question how cults like this can form, it's important to realize that you'll basically only ever hear about "successful" ones.
Like the church
Or the ones unsuccessful at maintaining their exploitation
Its important to realize that nothing is evil in the beginning, and this could happen to anyone
@@padarousou those are both ridiculous assumptions.
You can perceive what youre doing as good, it doesn't make it good.
Not all people are corruptible, in spite of the fact that the majority are easily corruptible. Ditto for gulibility.
@@constantk8780 That’s quite a naive view. Good here implies a moral imperative, making it universal not subjective. Everyone is corruptable, indeed this is taught in the some of the most ancient human wisdom we have access to. This wisdom is extrapolated into Catholicism for example, in the form of Lucifer (once one of the best angels in heaven) who became corrupted by the desire for greater power. Even the most noble people can become corrupted, but nothing is corrupt in the beginning. Only through the depravity of an environment or being deprived of certain virtues can lead to corruption.
The "frog in the water" thing isn't actually true- a frog will jump out of the water when it gets too hot. The original experiment was conducted using frogs that were lobotomized, which is why they didn't behave normally. It's a useful analogy though, which is why we use it even if it's not actually true.
And not to be too dark, but frogs won't actually jump out of boiling water either, because as soon as they hit the water, their legs won't work because damage is done too quick.
Yet in case of humans, when pushed slightly by authority, religious, parental, mentor and love interest figures, they will stay in the water as it begins to boil. One might even say humans nowadays are mentally lobotomized via propaganda, pop culture, peer pressure, social and work groups and the general need to avoid ostracism.
Stockholm syndrome is also not real!
@@Feteronii Your mom is not real
@@ng.tr.s.p.1254 understandable
This cult was in the forest by my cottage in the 80’s and I would always hear stories from my mom and aunt about a woman running out of the forest with one arm and barely any teeth. We would call it the Burnt River cult until one day I actually did research. This guy was sooo fucked up that I don’t have any words. It’s so scary that this was happening while my entire family was having a grand ole time, swimming, relaxing and enjoying the outdoors. Yikes.
that's so fkn scary.
I feel like I'm gonna puke.
Cottaging means something else here in the Uk
@@alexvince461 I just googled it and I’m sorry but that didn’t happen at the cabin with my whole family lol
@@alexvince461 Had to look it up, that’s pretty funny slang.
I just love the different way you make videos about topics like this. So enjoyable while still being very conscious about how sensitive the topic is.
it’s really weird that human brain - even when showed otherwise - can still think that somebody can’t do any wrong just because they’re attractive or charming. it’s kinda scary how many serial killer stories have this premise.
that’s what i was thinking about it’s so weird
something similar happened with the professional Smash Bros player CaptainZack just a few months ago..
Johann Liebert from Monster is an excellent fictional example
@@estheay3611 what do you mean? Is there a professional smash bro’s player who is also a killer? I’m confused lol
"As far as I'm concerned, that should have counted as community service hours" fucking A+ right there omg
That was such a correct response to make too
I love what that Matthew guy said to the guards 😂 he should have got a reduced sentence for that.
Imagine, roch gets sent to a prison containing some really bad criminals, maybe some of the worst, and one of them kills him and gets another life sentence cause he was just that fucked up
Amen
Well I’d assume he was respected by the guards for that
Dark justice was served .
Matthew did what someone else should have done 20 years ago. 😏 That cult guy was so sadistic and evil. I have red and seen so many true crime stories but this one was the most horriffic on. 🤮
This story is crazy to me because my family actually owns property on Burnt river since my mom was a little girl. I remember her telling me about a cult who had lived in the area a long time ago. Such a bizzare story that is a little closer than I would like lol
One of my favourite things about Wendigoon is that he doesn't use creepy music or editing to make his videos scarier, it makes the dark subject matter a lot easier to handle that way.
fr some videos feel like they go on forever when others do that
You should check out the channel Horror Stories. He uses scary music but it goes with the true events he covers since he shows pictures of the crime scenes or incidents and never shows his face.
Yeah honestly I can't handle that stuff cause I'm extremely paranoid being alone in my own home ik it's crazy but I just hate when the creepy shiet plays and I can't watch a video in peace without looking around constantly
Yeah honestly those effects always feel hokey and cheesey. I really enjoy the straightforward approach in these vids that make everything feel a lot more real
I feel the creepy music and dumb voice makes it cheesy and less real and in the context of these videos it’s far more creepy because it’s stated as matter fact
Its crazy that this sounds like a horror movie that you’d think would never happen in real life
It's crazy that it has never got a movie because they make movies about so many cults! It's probably just to much or something
@@XxLostFinalGirlxX Savage Messiah (2002)
People are easily brainwashed. Look at how many people fell for the masks and vaccines, even after finding out how much the CDC and WHO lied.
closest is outlast 2 i guess
Truth is stranger than fiction.
I'm from Québec, as a kid I remember adults talking about "Moses" and his cult, I had no idea how fucking bad it was, thanks for telling the story
Same for me, I knew there was some cult at some point in Quebec who was pretty fucking bad but I didn’t expected to be THIS fucking bad
Québec? I'd guess he could have been called.
Mooses
Or
Mosus
or MOOSUS.
Roch c'était pas un bon gars
@EL AUTENTICO it truly is a pain that cannot be described for the human brain isn’t meant to witness such horror
moi avec, je m’attendais vraiment pas à ça
I just in the last two weeks started watching your channel and its so wholesome to see how grateful you are, I've watched older and much more recent videos and you are consistently grateful for the community and the creators your speaking about its very refreshing
Wholesome? here? This channel is dedicated to horror.
23:00 "as far as Im concerned that should count as community service" yEAAAHHH like seriously I bet the staff there were glad someone finally took the creep out
I've never genuinely cried about a case, but oh my God. Gabriela is an angel. She already lost her arm and had nothing to stop it from getting infected, and yet she went out to do the same thing that caused her such a painful punishment and potentially saved multiple lives. Roch was an utterly despicable man, and I hope he's rotting where he belongs now.
Roch did nothing wrong he just kept his members in place
@@fiveguysinmymouth4258 are you one of his followers lmao
@@fiveguysinmymouth4258 pathetic bait do better
Man I just can't cry at anything like other people, makes me feel like shit
@@mynickisnick8270 we all got different weak spots, I don't cry at cold cases either. Doesn't mean there's something wrong with you
Dang, that "frog in a pot of water" analogy really reminded me of abusive relationships, especially one I had. At certain points you would absolutely let someone rip out your intestines. You really don't realize how bad it is until it's finally over, whether it be in life or in death.
exactly! his analogy & articulations of it was soooo on point, that im not even mad at it or him, right now. Pimp
Back in 2008 I was 1 year free from an abusive situation, I was listening to music at work and a “mix tape” a friend made had a recording of Vincent Price explaining how to boil a frog. I had to go hide in the bathroom for ten minutes to compose myself. Since then I have become hyperaware of escalating behavior.
oh, this was my childhood to a t. one night things escalated TOO quickly and it kind of broke any desire i had to feel like a member of the family and i really sank into my bedroom until college
frogs will actually jump out and not boil to death...
i feel you
I was in a cult and the way you described how they form is fantastic. We were kicked out of our church and started meeting separately. The man in charge started off quoting and teaching from the Bible in a manner that was very Christian. Over time, he incorporated his own opinions and drifted away from the Bible. He would stay involved with the members on an individual level and when people were in a vulnerable situation (mental health struggles, family issues, relationship problems), he made himself available as a confidant. He took advantage of people’s vulnerability at every opportunity. He made it seem like the world would persecute us by twisting the Gospel, so we could only rely on each other. The manipulation, absurd ideas, and offering the solution to every problem formulates gradually. It’s not preachers on the side of the road screaming at passerby. It’s people who offer themselves as someone to confide in and assist vulnerable persons. The only reason I realized I was in a cult was because I was listening to a podcast about cults and recognizing traits of what they were describing in my “church.” It’s important that people know what to look for so they don’t fall into the schemes of people looking for power.
Oh. My. God. I can't imagine the horror and pain Solange felt. I went through surgical hell, and I don't think it could ever compare to what she felt.
I had a feeding tube rip my intestine. For two weeks, no doctor would take me seriously when I told them something was wrong. That whole time, E. Coli filled my abdomen, collapsed my lung, and shut down my kidneys and liver. I was dying. It was so incredibly painful, that I was on round the clock Dilaudid, and it didn't touch the pain. I told them I would rather give birth unmedicated 10 times than to feel that again.
I hope Gabriella is well. She really was a hero.
What type of shity doctor have you found.
@@deadoneeyetheunkillable3591 Unfortunately, the most idiotic ones in my state, apparently. I'm lucky to have found much better doctors since then, but I definitely have PTSD from it.
Most doctors are such absolute stubborn fucking idiots who swear they're always right and are the epitome of the fact that being book smart doesn't equal intelligence.
@@dxshawn532Meh, I wouldn't go that far. I've met some truly amazing doctors at MD Anderson. They never made us feel insignificant or stupid for any questions, and treated us like family during treatments.
I've just had to learn to speak up for myself on a LOT of issues.
@@Thefruitspeaks ok but don't gaslight yourself that sexism in medicine (not believing women's pain) is a failure on your part to speak up for yourself. I'm sure you actually did.
Matthew MacDonald is probably also a terrible person given that he's on a life sentence as well, but he did at least one good thing. But Gabriella is 100% a hero.
Yeah, there is no question. But it goes to show you there are degrees of evil and depravity. There is a guy who maybe choked his girlfriend to death and is filth, but then there is cutting out a conscious woman's intensines, filling it up with air and then make men who think they are helping a healer resurrect a woman.. use the seed of man while knowing yourself it isn't going to do a thing, is just on some other level I couldn't even begin to comprehend.
@@-xphobia It almost doesn't sound real, like if it was in a movie you would either laugh or turn it off. But the fact that it's true is horrifying on an almost unthinkable level.
what did he do to get life in prison?
@@Ashypoopoo another comment said he killed a cab driver and another inmate but it might not be true.
Didn’t she let her 2 year old freeze to death? Some hero
What you said at the end about the girl who escaped despite knowing the consequences of being caught was really special. She most definitely saved others from being tortured and abused.
I have no sympathy for any of these fools, only the children. How half witted do you need to be to live like this?
@@chickenlover657 there are many experiments proving that this can happen extremely easily. Being a strong manipulator myself, I can most assuredly tell you - it's really easy to get people to do and feel what you want, given enough charisma, deception, and slow approach.
@@chickenlover657 i don't think this is what the victims expected
@@chickenlover657 I don't think they were half-witted, I think they were trapped.
@@lemonlimeeee No man, you haven't thought this through.
I'm from quebec and heard a lot about this in high school. Gabrielle Lavallée even came to our school to talk about it as prevention about cults. She even said she still have that needle in her back, which is chilling to even think about. Your point about the frog feels exactly how she explained it. I hope no one has to ever live that sort of thing ever again
The frog in the boiling water is an analogy, it’s not professed as how to cook a frog it’s professed as how people can get used to things (no matter good or bad) if your surroundings change slowly.
Late response, but I only just discovered this channel. There was a real experiment done with putting a live frog in boiling water, except there's one part that's frequently ignored: most of the frog's brain was removed beforehand. This became popularized as proof that the brain somehow houses a part of the soul, then it was "rewritten" (lied about) to not mention the brain removal part as proof that animals don't have a sense of logic (even though they do, it just happens to be in that thing that was removed in the experiment) and if you somehow bypass an animal's reflexes then they're basically inanimate.
Now it has basically been "rewritten" many times by people trying to prove increasingly insane points until it somehow got attached to the originally unrelated idea of cognitive dissonance. Which, while it's nice that it teaches people about a real thing for once, sucks when people try to disprove cognitive dissonance by attacking this originally unrelated and bad experiment.
I could be wrong here, but IIRC it was an experiment done in the 1800s that also involved removing the frog's brain first.
It also seems unnecessarily cruel
Just like every government did last year with lockdowns
@@RobinLundqvist because of the pandemic. They didn’t even do it slowly like boiling water, they just made lockdowns because of the pandemic.
Wendigoon’s work ethic is impressive
Im saying he said he was doing a video about ant hill and ge did he staked everything on this video remember that
@@adonaiyah2196 what the fuck
His editing is kinda minimal, but his research and entertainment value is pretty great
With the things he has to research he probably doesn't sleep anymore.
@@workingtitle7049 his research is a bit meh.His disturbing movie list was full of errors.Like saying that the last tier was *only* snuff while in reality 90% of them are mixtapes
Some of Solange’s final words before dying in agony were:
“I didn’t know it was possible for someone to suffer so much.”
wow.
he deserves to go throughak all 9 hells for eternity
Hahahahhhhhahah
Kio Bio ??? quite a questionable response towards someone that brutally died ngl...
@@mookiess so?
Go cry about it
Kio Bio my guy, idk if you're just being the average edgy troll or just have a shit day/life, but i simply found it strange to just laugh at something serious like that-- just seems like a tad insensitive and bizarre response to an actual dead person, there's really not much to cry about here?? Just honest confusion on my part.
And seriously I don't get what's with certain people responding to any criticism with "go cry about it", like its become a mf comment cliche lmao.
Talking about how thankful you are for your subscribers and now being over 3 million. Congratulations man, you should be very proud. You do amazing work and I'm glad it's going well ❤
I'm currently reading Gabrielle Lavallee's (the cult member who had her arm amputated by Roch) book and although I am very used to gruesome true crime stories, this is a really hard one to get through. Roch makes Manson look like a choir boy.
Edit: She's the mother of the 2 month old baby who died but it's doubtful she did it on purpose.
Edit 2: the guy who was castrated was actually operated on .
Edit 3: Gabrielle 's arm was amputated by a curved carpet knife, not a chainsaw.
This is all from Gabrielle Lavallee's book and she actually came to speak at my high school. I guess a lot is lost in translation.
So why did she leave her child outside?? It's still torture no matter what was used carpet knife or chainsaw, operated on or castrated. I'm also pretty sure that the two year old child didn't give a shit either I don't think a lot was lost in translation.
Man... leave Charlie alone... There's literally nothing but hearsay that says he did anything at all other than cut that one dudes ear with a sword. I get it, he's an easy target, but he still didn't really do anything that anybody can actually prove, and he was given an illegal trial without retrial, so legally if you want to be technical, Charlie Manson committed no crimes of which he was detained for, cuz he was never given the ability to speak for himself during his trial. They already had the guilty plea ready when they started cuffing people up off the street.
Charlie was convicted and sentenced by the court of public opinion. And public opinion was guided by the media because they needed a scape goat Boogeyman to cash in on.
Picture the whole thing without charlie, it wouldn't be very controversial and money-making if some hippies coming down off acid were the murderers. After maybe about a year, it would be old news.
But a hippie "cult leader" with "magical powers" or "followers who are under mind control". Smh.. Charlie had what we now cal a "trap house". Living on the street is hard. Being a throw away is hard, there's a high chance that yall wouldn't understand what that's like.
Charlie Manson might've been a lot of things, but the things he was didn't warrant a life sentence.
What's the name of the book?
@@morallyflexiblesapphic7287 L' alliance de la Brebis, which translates to " the aliance of the sheep" I don't think there's an English version but another book is Savage Messiah.
@@mytruecrimelibrary :(.... Of u find an English ver. Do let me know thou. Thank you soo much I think I'll get the other one. Is savage messiah also a personal account?
I love how respectful you are when talking about these victims
It's amazing how respectful he is and how he humanizes the victims. With cults, people tend to act as if the followers are as bad as the leaders (why didn't they leave, or say anything..), but there is so much more to it. My husband's aunt was part of the cult, and the impact it has had on her and her family is completely unimaginable.
This earned him a sub from me.
@@coshmolat Agreed
I think he is Not only respectful
I think he does this whole explanation to a Point where you could say that it is really Professional
Like He Not only explains the topic
He also tells his own View to These so you can get a little Insight on him
I Love your Videos Dude
Much Love from germany
@@mistertoast2552 Oh hallo :3
Thank you as an ex member of a cult. The children of God. The best thing that happened to me was getting thrown out. They hid a lot of the real bad crap from the new members. They taught us what they called the truth. At some point they would teach us the stuff they kept hidden. I never reached that level that is a good thing. This is many years ago and I still battle the damage done at that time. That was in the mid 70s. TomCat
P.S. I was know as Methuselah Zion when I was a member. They make you assume a new name upon joining.
I can't believe no one has any questions or comments under this. Everyone's more enamored with the frog comment than anything else. And that's a shame.
While its a good thing you never reached the level where they explain the hidden dark secrets, its also unfortunate at the same time because you could have used that information and exposed the cult.
i recently learned about the children of god cult. glad you’re out and hope you’re doing better ❤
My parents were members of an offshoot of the Mustard Seed Jesus house, and I was abused by a chief member for 5 years. So were my sisters and brothers.
I have a question, did you ever see your "formal" members recently? Also I wish you well, this is quite the trauma
I just discovered you and I love how straightforward you are when you explain these cases/stories. You don’t dramatize or romanize anything and I respect that
If someone's supposedly basing their group on the Bible & starts giving times for Christ's return, you know they're off the rails. The Bible clearly says no one knows the time of Christ's return. Matthew 24.
Yeah always find this weird if not even Christ know when he is going to return why believe in humans? But then again people that follow the bible rarely reads it...
@@CoolMagmar It isn't even that they don't read it. People interpret the Bible in wildly different ways. Even stuff you wouldn't think can be interpreted differently.
@Ai7A the bible is literally written to be interpreted. Its full of analogies and metaphorical scenes that need to be interpreted to make sense,.
@Ai7A do you also read it in Aramaic
@Ai7A The original old testament is literally written in Aracmeic
Was just watching the religion and cult iceberg video and got to the part where you said it’s going to be a separate video about this. I’m so pumped this came out so soon!
Same great vid love this channel
Sooooo
I dont like your username
@@adonaiyah2196 okay? Lmao
@@theonlydemonic8996 I like your username :)
I know this is kind of a “read the room” situation, but you kinda look like human Tom Nook
this is the funniest comment I've ever seen
he looks like mac from sunny
😂😂😂
charles manson looked like an alien
Lol, I had to Google who that was and, yes, lol
You always approach these subjects with clarity, dignity and honesty.
You’re the best, man.
Bro I actually met Gabriella like 7 years ago while I was in high school she came in to talk to us about her experiences since we learned about the cult in religion class, she's incredible man
So she did not commit suicide? Thank goodness.
I love how he casually compliments young stalin’s hair
MazesHizCarzeeBilLifesMerryGoRowUndeszzaa!!
Yes
Stalin was suave af though
@@KorokHaze93
A lot of horrible murderous dictators are
@@bigboydancannon4325 like me
As someone that has been around heavy abusers, i can honestly tell you that more people are capable of this evil than you would think. You would be surprised at how many people around you will learn to live with that evil.
Half of the rural areas in Alabama have people like this, people just done care unless its glorified in a horror story.
Absolutely. It personally angers me when people say the world is mostly a good place. No. The first world is mostly a comfortable place. Where people put on their happy faces in broad daylight and the same nice old farmer you see every day during your gas station shift abuses his grand daughter behind closed doors. That or people's lives are going too comfortably to unleash the hell they otherwise would on the world. A person in uncomfortable circumstances does bad things easier. I grew up in the trailer dwelling white trash junkie world. Things happen in those trailers that would end up a wendigoon video if it came out. We may come from different things but people like us have seen the true face of humanity. I believe humans are capable of choosing morality, I myself do often, but I cannot pretend the world is anything but a bunch of ugly people mostly pretending to be upright who would do the kinds of evil they say they wouldn't if their comfort weren't kept up. And like you say, it's surprising how many are willing to put up with the evil when it is present.
@@padarousou absolutely! i think people often think of these as exactly that; stories
@@godwarrior3403 such a good point!
@@godwarrior3403 If that were true, society wouldn't exist. People are typically moral, because the fact of the matter is if most people weren't, then the civilization that we know and live in simply would have never come to be. There is no doubt some evil shit, and it may be pervasive in a number of areas/regions, but it's by no means the rule. I don't think the world is a good place either, but misanthropy just never sat right because it plain and simply isn't logically sound.
I think it's important to emphasize that not everyone that is unhappy and in a bad situation is prone to joining a cult. People that fall victim to this have very particular characteristics. Not anyone can be brainwashed. Cult leaders notice easily influencable people and prey on them.
"The world will always be an evil place as long as there's people like Roch Theriault, but it will also always be a good place as long as there's people like Gabriela"
Beautifully stated
I haven’t watched very many of his videos but from what I’ve seen, he always tries to leave things positively. I really like that. These are such heavy videos and it’s important to remember there’s still mostly good in the world too
Multiple assaults and a nonconsensual amputation: 12 years in prison
wtf, Canada's legal system
Yeah we're incompetent lmao
Liberalism. It's the same in Sweden.
@@TheLordisTheHopeOfIsrael Don't bring politics into this discussion.
@@voidbreather7405 it is politicians who decide the different punishments for different crimes though. Look at any country that is considered more right-wing and you'll see harsher punishment for crime.
That's how most countries work. If you didn't kill someone you're not going to get life in prison in most cases.
When it came out that he did, in fact, kill people he was given life in prison.
Gabriella... She didn't even do it for herself. She just didn't want to see anybody else suffer.
That woman is a true beacon of light in humanity.
That's crazy you only had 180k subs and were so earnestly joyful, 2 years later and you have 3.38m...
GREAT WORK, GREAT CONTENT! Thanks!
dad dropped a new vid, time to avoid the exam & essay i totally don’t have due tonight
do your work bitch
I mean i c o u l d but am i g o n n a
@@danielsmith4265 Your not my dad. Wendigoon is my dad not you faker.
Your face seems a little familiar
total coincidence i assure you
The part of the woman having a stomach ache made me sick. This is the first time I've ever feel so nauseous about something I heard. Just thinking about it makes me wanna vomit. Poor woman, I really hope she's in a better place now. Rest in peace.
I completely. I guess if you can imagine, then sometimes sadly anything is possible.
Wherever she is, she's still an idiot
yeah, it's disgusting.
i'm just glad that Roch's whole "resurrection process" didn't work.
@@jade20027you completely indeed.
I have a stomachache rn and that description didn't help
The 'boiling frog' fact is actually a myth. The reason it is so persistent is because it works so well as an analogy.
It does work though...if you snip the frog's brain stem first. Otherwise the frog will just hop out when it gets uncomfortable.
@@joemontondo9113 dude
The reason it persists
Is because it works on people.
Does work with crabs, though
@@igitha..._ Whaaat, it's true. That's how the original experiment was done. It's just that people either don't know or leave that part of the experiment out for the sake of the analogy.
3:23 man clearly didn't use Keeps, tsk tsk
i've heard about several disturbing cases, but this was the first one in a long time that made me say "what the fuck" out loud, i was so visibly disgusted i had to pause several times.
same here man. you know shits fucked when a man is so incessantly vile, even men who’ve done abhorrent things themselves were disgusted by him.
knowing his cell mate fucking walloped his ass with a shiv, openly admitted to it, then called him a piece of shit, made me feel a smidge better about it all. still fucked to all hell.
Faxxx I almost clicked off a few times because I got so angry and disgusted
Exactlyyyy!
The Solange segment really just made me angry. Its painful knowing a person has the capability to want to cause that much harm to another, and to feel righteous or just with such actions. Horrible.
I said the same thing ppl r sick!
"he decided that he should be the one who would revive her"
please not a sacrifice please not a sacrifice
"with the seed of man"
nO
The literally skull fucked her to resurrect her 🤦♂️
This is why I’m not religious in any way shape or form.
@@Aaron_Hanson Granted people do use religion for their own selfish desires…he could have been an atheist and still skull fucked her to death.
Pretty sure I actually vomited in my mouth a bit at that
Cult leaders also remove responsiblity from themselves and place that on to the victim. You convince the victim that it's their fault they suffer and they will be willing to punish themselves and thank the leader for pushing them to "grow".
And there are people in these very comments that blame the victims for being manipulated...
@@lukebytes5366 people who think they're too smart to fall for a cult are prime for that very thing. It's much more insidious than most people realize and I get it can be hard to empathize with such extreme stuff. But we see the ending not the beginning.
@@ginnygin7141Let me say it like this, I feel horrible for the kids. The adults that willingly put themselves into this situation are absolutely partially to blame, not in a way that makes the leader any less of a monster. But I don't feel as bad, they willingly followed a stranger into a comune, it's not like this was the first cult or anything. It's sad what happened to them, but like when a worker dies doing something clearly unsafe or stupid I can't say I feel much "pitty".
@@vilecreature8640 it deeply saddened me that no one else but the leader was charged, especially considering they mothered his children while he was in jail.. i wish them and only them the worst.
As someone who watches dark and disturbing videos, this one always makes me sick to my stomach. It’s scary to say the least just what some people are capable of doing while getting others to join along.
“As far as I’m concerned that should count as community service “ for real hope the guards were kind to him . Wonder what Matt was in for
DryVerSuchZwindesUp!
Another comment chain says he stabbed a taxi driver 19 times. I don't know the details though.
Very *very* gruesome murder, he stabbed Danny Bryce, a taxi Driver, in the neck 19 times, for a fare he though was hiked up. So He wasn't a good person by any means, but a he did one last good deed I suppose.
Murder. He was in for murder.
He was bad guy
But this does not mean he was bad guy
(But yeah, MacDonald definitely wasn't a saint.)
The movie Midsommar made a great job of letting you experience sympathy with a cult. A good study of how this suble manipulation works to the point that we as the audience sympathize with a crazy cult.
No kidding, people were on her side in the comments I saw…. Like wtf some people are just incapable of critical thinking
I wonder if they had made the main character a man who was given the choice to kill a cheating girlfriend whether the audience would be able to sympathize with him in that decision. I doubt that people would be as willing to emphasize then.
@@greywolf7577 why do MRAs come into every single comment section
@CM What’s an MRA?
@@greywolf7577 i mean, i don't think it would've been that way. The story is set-up for you to sympathize with Dani, because you see what led her to kill her ahole boyfriend. Not saying murder is justified, but if told in the way the movie did, you're bound to be swayed by it. It would've been exactly the same if the movie had a male character, because you'd see him experience the death and murder of his family, the inattentiveness of his gf, the way another woman would start caring for him and ultimately you'd sympathize with the cult nevertheless, and you'd justify the murder of his gf.
The point of the whole movie is not to prove gender influenced bias lmao. Is to prove how easily you can be manipulated by a cult of you're in a bad time mentally. I think your take was purposefully misleading just so you could make it about gender and not the actual main topic: cults.
The prisoner who shivved the Cult Leader should've gotten parole or something
idk. what was his original crime? he cant be a safe guy to have on the streets if he was bunked with roch..
maybe give him a cake lol
@@raversuprising you'll find this is a joke lol If anybody says this seriously, they'd be exposing themselves as lacking a brain
for real, reminds me of that dude in jail for like because of gang violence in his teenage years that killed two rapist pedos while he was there and just collected a couple more life sentences to keep some kids safe in the future. it’s brutal but sometimes shit has to be done
@@sir-dame-sander what is his name
@@MigWith jonathan watson. he turned himself in with a letter too n said it was “a favor”
1:26 JEEZ THAT'S WHAT STALIN USED TO LOOK LIKE???
He was known to touch up his photos, so maybe not quite but mostly
I’m still rockin with the vacation-dad vibe you’ve got goin on
I can legitimately say that out of all my years listening to what serial killers and cults and crap have done that this is, without a doubt, one of the most horrific I've come across.
have you heard of elan? its not neccerarily as horrific as this one, but its definitely fucking awful
My mother grew up in Burnt River, around the time that Roch and company were there. My grandmother still has an Ant Hill Kids maple syrup bottle - there was open knowledge of this cult in the area, but there was so little the community could do, being a very small community in Ontario.
Cool., my girl lives in burnt!, ive been around burnt river for the last 5 years even lived thier for a year and done a lot of research on the area its amazing up there. Does she still have the maple syrup bottle ??
how great that I just watched this and you're so humble and talking about how great it is to have 180k subs and now you have 3.19 mil subs. So great
the "frog in water concept" is just a metaphor (or used as an example of sorites paradox when discussing philosphy) you can't cook actually a frog like that they have a thing called critical thermal maximum which makes them respond with sporadic random movements if they start to get too hot.
Dang, I actually thought that was a real thing. It’s a good metaphor though
@@azelfie1041 Yea I thought it was real as well but I had looked it up on one of those "I can't sleep so I'll google random things" type of nights.
True. The original experiment which spawned the legend used a frog which has its brain destroyed with a needle prior to placing it in the water. I believe the experiment was to study how the autonomic nervous system (responsible for unconscious response to stimuli) responds to changes in temperature, but I can't remember for certain.
Thank christ, that analogy sounded absolutely horrific. It made me pretty upset.
So many cults started out of the Seventh Day Adventists. The Millerites, The Jehovah's Witnesses, The Branch Davidians, among others.
Because it's easy to have your own agenda & manipulate people who believe in a concept thats not real, scientific fact.
@@sarahholland2600 uh it's not a fact that god n stuff isn t real but I get what ur saying cuz if u say oh I'm a christian too and u share ur belief and u slowly start to twist it
@@sarahholland2600 uh huh not like science hasnt commited blatanly cruel unseary acts without reason before what group of people are famous for that i think one loved skulls on there uniform? "sarcasm"
@@wilmagregg3131 I never said it hadn't. Putting words into people's mouths is also a manipulative strategy . My statement says people who believe in concepts over facts are easier to manipulate . Anyone can say Jesus spoke to me & said give me your money to build a Church.
@@sarahholland2600 Anyone can claim scientific fact as well; strangely cults actually don't have much to do with religion at all it's about the pressure of fitting into the community. Cults work most often with a religious basis because delusional people who start them are more likely to go off on some strange tangent of insanity which most often manifests its self in the realm of the "believe or die" mentality. Not all Religions are "believe or die" which is why some religions aren't often the basis of cults while others are. Scientific cults don't often exist because it's the delusional mysticism which is most interesting to those who are in a bad enough state of mind to consider starting a cult. In terms of the followers it isn't as simple as being fact based or concept based as all people are much more easily convinced when put in a cult like setting, even those that "believe in facts". Really, it's vulnerable people that get drawn into cults, those who aren't sure what they believe and those who are down on their luck or looking for something. Everyone has their reasons for why they believe something that doesn't mean if a cult leader convinces them of their ideas they are going to follow a cult leader, they follow a cult leader because their lives are in an "unstable" situation.
Believing in concepts is not the basis of manipulation, otherwise hardcore conspiracy theorists would be easy to manipulate, and normally they are the hardest people to manipulate. The basis of manipulation is life instability which can happen to anyone.
My childhood in Scientology is sounding pretty sweet right about now, after hearing this. All I had to deal with is starvation, sexual grooming and missing time.
Man I’m sorry brother
Yes but can you fly like Tom Cruise? he can fly. Tom Cruise can fly.
@Karl ???
Trauma is trauma. Don’t undermine yours just because someone else had it worse, because if we’re being honest, there’s ALWAYS gonna be someone who has had it the worst. Thank God you were able to get out though, and I wish you a good life my friend.
You escaped Sea Org? Do you know where Shelley is?
I’m from a town 20 minutes from Burnt River. Many of the kids who were removed from the cult were adopted by local families. I went to school with a bunch of them. Many of them didn’t know they were related.
it kind of astounds me how creatively twisted and sadistic he got with the torture methods. i've never actually wanted to barf from words alone until the stomachache story.
Same with woman who get “tricked” into the pimp game, ur giving all the money u make to some guy who offers “protection” BUY A GUN u ignorant hoe, ur making 5k a week yet getting told when to eat, “swim with sharks and ur gonna get bit” applies to every situation
Gabrielle Lavallée is one of the most badass people I think I've heard of.
I hate to hear what she had to go through, but she's an absolute legend.
This made me feel sick. I have no idea how it kept getting worse.
Rewatching this now that Wendi has over 2.5 million subscribers and a bunch of sponsors, so proud of this guy