Thanks for the video. I love the way this knife looks, and hate the way it flips. I decided to tune the detent system. I disassembled the knife and removed the piece that has the ball bearing that falls into the detent. I put the piece that provides the tension in a vice with leather covered jaws, and bent it slightly so it would not have so much pressure on the detent. After reassembled it flips much nicer. The blade still won’t drop in when closing, but it goes in much easier. Now the 0707 is a knife I want to carry.
What happened with ZT the past few years? Remember all the crazy releases, then home run after home run. Then it seemed like just a few releases, and some sprints here and there. What happened? Why hit the brakes on the momentum they had? What could be the reason for this?
Opening and Closing knives is equally satisfying, so taking away one of those is a no go for me. It is almost why I have moved away from Benchmades, as the axis lock is no longer as much fun. Now obviously I love the knives and use them harder than the average collector, but I am too big a fan of drop shut action to pay not to have it. All that aside, the knife is not very aesthetically pleasing to me. In hand I might reconsider. Huge fan of ZT and recently picked up 0640 and 0452CF, and absolutely love them both. Great review as always.
Thanks for the breakdown. I just got this because I’ve wanted it since it came out and recently read it was being discontinued. Why did I wait so long? It’s by far my favorite knife and I have a lot of knives.
So I wasted my money on one of these. This knife is the only frame lock I've ever had difficulty opening due to pressure on the lock bar... the thing this stupid detente system is designed to prevent. If I press as hard as I can on the lock bar on my Sebenza, it doesn't affect the opening at all--even using my other hand to apply pressure. But the ZT0707 fails to open fully even with slight pressure, and since the handle is so thin, there's always some kind of pressure on the lock bar. It's also the only knife I can't tune for opening/closing, again due to this stupid detente system. The action out of the box is horrible. Worse than a $17 Kershaw. The bearings are not smooth. The clip is tiny, digs into my palm, and cannot be adjusted. You need two T8s to unscrew the pivot pin. Reviewers don't show the tip for very long for a reason: it's fragile.
@@EpicSnuggleBunny Sorry for implying you did that on purpose. I don't really think you were trying to mislead people. But it's a glaring drawback that I haven't seen pointed out really well in videos. Thanks for replying. Being pissed about the purchase and venting is no excuse for challenging your integrity by generalizing reviews and including your channel.
As much as people complained how ugly the 0427 was, I was hoping they would one day release it. I an a sucker for LE stuff. Oh well. I gotta admit I was under a different impression wayyyyy back when they first announced the TDS back many years ago. I thought, what they were implementing was a [for lack of a better word] a type of "gimmick" that would allow the user to; tune the detent. Like have a small spring and bar to put pressure, or back pressure off to do minute changes to the feel of the knife. Wasn't expecting this type of set up at all. Thanks for the vid. and showing me what this was all about.
Oh how funny double detent is supposed to make frame lock flip easy every time... well my detent on 0707 is so stiff, I can barely open the knife and broke my nail already in 2 days... any attempt to open it leaves a hole in my finger for good minute... and it's sore by now. I'd like to bend it out a little but for the love of god I can't unscrew those pivot screws, main issue I don't have 2 torx of this size, why did they chose to do those screws this shitty way? Why so much thread lock? it feels glued shut. I tried the soldering iron to it but I don't know how long should I keep at it. No idea if I can damage CF if I overdo it... probably. I gotta buy second screwdriver... if you have more ideas to help out I'm all ears. I lubed it up, and tried bending out detent while in frame, no luck. edit: Got the second torx8, opened it up and loosened the leaf spring. It's fine now.
It’s actually nice that it doesn’t drop shut because it’s so much more slender than your other blades so it wouldn’t slip and cut you accidentally. It’s genius
@@KnifeWatch I'm not sure I follow your logic here. I'm pretty sure this wasn't a planned thing due to the thinness of the blade. Just a side effect of the dual detent.
For me this would be a dress up knife. Since flipping tends to trigger some people it would be good to know how easy this is to open two handed by just pulling on the spine of the blade.
Thanks for the look inside. How much for a disassembled 0707 lol. Titanium isn't the most forgiving when it comes to spring tension, so I'm curious to feel the difference this makes. I'll bet the blade stays centered better with tension from both sides though.
A shame about the 0467. Basically an 0850 but with a flipper. I would've bought it, and being a LE I'm sure it would've still sold out. Slap that blade on an 0850 without the hole and I'd definitely buy it.
Great review! I really want one of these, but I’m concerned it’s too slender since it’s even more slender than the Bareknuckle, which I see as a good balance between slender and hand-filling.
@gumaniroze The ZT 0707 has what's called a "tuned detent system" which is complicated to explain right now because I'm lazy, but I dislike that system a lot and sold the 0707. 0450 all day.
To me, it makes absolutely no sense to pander to people to don't know how to open a frame lock knife. The first or second time I did the accidental pinch of the frame, and couldn't get the knife to deploy, I looked at the knife in my hand and realized it was a user error, not a knife error. Does this make sense?
I get you yet a lot of new people are entering the hobby and skinny knives slip easily (I.e. bleeding). It makes sense to sell knives people want to buy. This is an innovation and they ought to make the most of the progression in engineering regardless of what purists think.
ive been collecting for awhile and some knives i still ride the lock bar. i just cant hold it and flip it with a secure grip. i try as i may but when i flip it im on the lock bar. some knives are just hard to hold on to other wise
@@bigsean2473 The more I read shit like this, the more I realize there are a lot of people with entire collections of knives who shouldn't even be trusted with one. Some free advice: hold the clip...
@@CNYKnifeNerd ive tried that and somehow my finger get on the lockbar or the clip in on top of the lock bar and i hold the knife tight to feel safe. i just cant hold them loosely like u might do. so i have to try a few times to open some of them. i have quite a few of them and some are much easier than others so i chalk so of it up to the way the kife and lockbar are made. oh and thats you opinion to think i shouldnt own knives. i think most people shouldnt be alive and thats mine. do with it as u want
No to zt. Love the cf they use but that's where our relationship ends and I own alot of zt's. The biggest issue with me, is the use of a steel considered to have high edge retention but they've optimized toughness instead, rather than using a steel high in toughness like 4v or m4 etc. So you get sub par edge retention for the composition of the steel. It's been tested independently in cut tests and also catra tests. Not to mention the heat treatment will vary wildly due to them being a volume manufacturer. And over heating edges. The other issue I have is there catering to mostly the high end gun market and not the knife user market. Lastly they haven't fixed there lock geometry issues that fail in different ways like light spine whacks on a roll of duct tap for example (other ways too). I've also seen that type of detent system... But I forget which model and brand I've seen it on. So maybe it was similar but not the same.
Damn. That's unacceptable... Guess I'll stick to Spyderco for all my duct tape spine whacking needs. There are a ton of reasons to dislike zt but the lockbar 'failure' is a non-issue, and you took it to an absurd level. I love this community.
Sounds like the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Sounds like a fix to a problem for ignorance. Sounds like a fix to problem that didn't exist. I guess I've made my point.
There is a video from a guy who's channel is mostly RC related who got a dud . Gritty action . What would you suggest ? His channel is @RC Network . If you wouldn't mind giving him some advice . His name is Rich .
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Thanks for the video.
I love the way this knife looks, and hate the way it flips. I decided to tune the detent system. I disassembled the knife and removed the piece that has the ball bearing that falls into the detent. I put the piece that provides the tension in a vice with leather covered jaws, and bent it slightly so it would not have so much pressure on the detent. After reassembled it flips much nicer. The blade still won’t drop in when closing, but it goes in much easier. Now the 0707 is a knife I want to carry.
Dang, a lot of work. But glad you got it to a point where you are happy with it.
It looks very nice and light. The tip looks like an exactio knife. I’ll have to pick one up.
👊🍻
Good looking design for sure. Sexy knife! Thanks for sharing.👍😊
I thought this kinda looked like a Sinkevich design at first. Haven't bought a ZT in awhile...but I really like this one.
Same here. I just actually ordered one today. Its pretty sweet 🍻
Nice knife. Hooray for Kershaw's illegitimate son .....The ZT 😀
What happened with ZT the past few years? Remember all the crazy releases, then home run after home run. Then it seemed like just a few releases, and some sprints here and there. What happened? Why hit the brakes on the momentum they had? What could be the reason for this?
because kershaw is there bread and butter. zt dont sell near what kershaw sells. so it no big deal to rush a new zt out
I had to see what this thing looks like... thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Opening and Closing knives is equally satisfying, so taking away one of those is a no go for me. It is almost why I have moved away from Benchmades, as the axis lock is no longer as much fun. Now obviously I love the knives and use them harder than the average collector, but I am too big a fan of drop shut action to pay not to have it. All that aside, the knife is not very aesthetically pleasing to me. In hand I might reconsider. Huge fan of ZT and recently picked up 0640 and 0452CF, and absolutely love them both. Great review as always.
I hear you on the good action requirement!
Thanks for the breakdown. I just got this because I’ve wanted it since it came out and recently read it was being discontinued. Why did I wait so long? It’s by far my favorite knife and I have a lot of knives.
So I wasted my money on one of these. This knife is the only frame lock I've ever had difficulty opening due to pressure on the lock bar... the thing this stupid detente system is designed to prevent.
If I press as hard as I can on the lock bar on my Sebenza, it doesn't affect the opening at all--even using my other hand to apply pressure. But the ZT0707 fails to open fully even with slight pressure, and since the handle is so thin, there's always some kind of pressure on the lock bar.
It's also the only knife I can't tune for opening/closing, again due to this stupid detente system. The action out of the box is horrible. Worse than a $17 Kershaw. The bearings are not smooth. The clip is tiny, digs into my palm, and cannot be adjusted. You need two T8s to unscrew the pivot pin. Reviewers don't show the tip for very long for a reason: it's fragile.
lmao, I purposely hid the tip for what benefit to myself? I don't make any money if you buy one or not.
@@EpicSnuggleBunny Sorry for implying you did that on purpose. I don't really think you were trying to mislead people. But it's a glaring drawback that I haven't seen pointed out really well in videos. Thanks for replying. Being pissed about the purchase and venting is no excuse for challenging your integrity by generalizing reviews and including your channel.
As much as people complained how ugly the 0427 was, I was hoping they would one day release it. I an a sucker for LE stuff. Oh well. I gotta admit I was under a different impression wayyyyy back when they first announced the TDS back many years ago. I thought, what they were implementing was a [for lack of a better word] a type of "gimmick" that would allow the user to; tune the detent. Like have a small spring and bar to put pressure, or back pressure off to do minute changes to the feel of the knife. Wasn't expecting this type of set up at all. Thanks for the vid. and showing me what this was all about.
Oh how funny double detent is supposed to make frame lock flip easy every time... well my detent on 0707 is so stiff, I can barely open the knife and broke my nail already in 2 days... any attempt to open it leaves a hole in my finger for good minute... and it's sore by now.
I'd like to bend it out a little but for the love of god I can't unscrew those pivot screws, main issue I don't have 2 torx of this size, why did they chose to do those screws this shitty way?
Why so much thread lock? it feels glued shut. I tried the soldering iron to it but I don't know how long should I keep at it. No idea if I can damage CF if I overdo it... probably.
I gotta buy second screwdriver... if you have more ideas to help out I'm all ears. I lubed it up, and tried bending out detent while in frame, no luck.
edit: Got the second torx8, opened it up and loosened the leaf spring. It's fine now.
Are the pivot screws T8?
Does anyone know of a knife review on YT that DOESNT use a Spyderco for a size comparison. Anyone?
Nope
There's already a solution for that. It's called a liner lock. Interesting design though.
Lol🍻
The man has a point 👍🏻
First comment! Love your videos! Thank you for efforts!
I love these except for not being able to drop shut it due to the dual detents.
It’s actually nice that it doesn’t drop shut because it’s so much more slender than your other blades so it wouldn’t slip and cut you accidentally. It’s genius
@@KnifeWatch I'm not sure I follow your logic here. I'm pretty sure this wasn't a planned thing due to the thinness of the blade. Just a side effect of the dual detent.
For me this would be a dress up knife. Since flipping tends to trigger some people it would be good to know how easy this is to open two handed by just pulling on the spine of the blade.
I bought one. Pinch it where the logo is printed and it will open up quite easily.
Thanks for the look inside. How much for a disassembled 0707 lol. Titanium isn't the most forgiving when it comes to spring tension, so I'm curious to feel the difference this makes. I'll bet the blade stays centered better with tension from both sides though.
Informative. Thanks.
Is that clip reversible?
Yep, you'll need to move the clip to the CF side, and rotate the asymmetric stand-off as well.
TDS: the fix for a problem i dont have
this is essentially just a straight version of my 452 sinkevich
All this heritage but they didn't do a subframe.
A shame about the 0467. Basically an 0850 but with a flipper. I would've bought it, and being a LE I'm sure it would've still sold out. Slap that blade on an 0850 without the hole and I'd definitely buy it.
I’m just wondering why they put a detent ball on the lock arm. It seems to serve no purpose
Because its pushing against the blade regardless, so you need a detent ball to minimize the contact point.
Just received mine today, the blade is croocked/warped??? Zt's endcontrole missed this one ☹️
Sorry to hear, definitely kills the excitement of a mailcall.
The blade looks like a slimmed down version of the ZT0357, another in-house design with a common digit.
Thank you for your videos! Who made your bit driver???
Was made by, or for, Calavera Cutlery. Don't think he makes knives or drivers anymore though.
EpicSnuggleBunny cool. Thank you
Always the best!
Btw, any chance you could measure the bearing ball size for us please?
I rather have that limited bareknuckle. I missed out on it. It’s my favorite knife I own is the smkw 20cv stonewashed blade version.
The Bareknuckle is outstanding
It’s my favorite sub par 100 dollar knife. My favorite knife is between my zt0095bw and zt0393glcf.
Great review! I really want one of these, but I’m concerned it’s too slender since it’s even more slender than the Bareknuckle, which I see as a good balance between slender and hand-filling.
The slenderness is one of the main reasons they used the new detent system on this one. 👍🏻
EpicSnuggleBunny yeah. I am concerned they were more concerned with showing off the new detent system rather than comfort on the handle.
@@TripleEEDC The handle is fairly comfortable even for me. It wasn't designed a fighting style knife though, so its not designed to lock in your hand.
EpicSnuggleBunny if it’s comfortable, I may get one after all. I don’t plan on fighting with it but I guess you never know.
Thanks!
People compare it to the bareknuckle and they should. Yet a Kershaw is a kershaw. A zt is a different level of official.
I would be interested in this if it was under 3.5 inches. I rarely carry anything over 3 inches anymore.
Nice knife do you like the 0450 or the 0707
0450 is my choice
I know it's an old video but can I ask why? I'm trying to decide between these 2. Is the 0450 better built?
Thanks
@@EpicSnuggleBunny
@gumaniroze The ZT 0707 has what's called a "tuned detent system" which is complicated to explain right now because I'm lazy, but I dislike that system a lot and sold the 0707. 0450 all day.
Thanks!
@@EpicSnuggleBunny
To me, it makes absolutely no sense to pander to people to don't know how to open a frame lock knife. The first or second time I did the accidental pinch of the frame, and couldn't get the knife to deploy, I looked at the knife in my hand and realized it was a user error, not a knife error. Does this make sense?
I get you yet a lot of new people are entering the hobby and skinny knives slip easily (I.e. bleeding). It makes sense to sell knives people want to buy. This is an innovation and they ought to make the most of the progression in engineering regardless of what purists think.
ive been collecting for awhile and some knives i still ride the lock bar. i just cant hold it and flip it with a secure grip. i try as i may but when i flip it im on the lock bar. some knives are just hard to hold on to other wise
@@bigsean2473
The more I read shit like this, the more I realize there are a lot of people with entire collections of knives who shouldn't even be trusted with one.
Some free advice: hold the clip...
@@CNYKnifeNerd ive tried that and somehow my finger get on the lockbar or the clip in on top of the lock bar and i hold the knife tight to feel safe. i just cant hold them loosely like u might do. so i have to try a few times to open some of them. i have quite a few of them and some are much easier than others so i chalk so of it up to the way the kife and lockbar are made. oh and thats you opinion to think i shouldnt own knives. i think most people shouldnt be alive and thats mine. do with it as u want
No to zt. Love the cf they use but that's where our relationship ends and I own alot of zt's. The biggest issue with me, is the use of a steel considered to have high edge retention but they've optimized toughness instead, rather than using a steel high in toughness like 4v or m4 etc. So you get sub par edge retention for the composition of the steel. It's been tested independently in cut tests and also catra tests. Not to mention the heat treatment will vary wildly due to them being a volume manufacturer. And over heating edges.
The other issue I have is there catering to mostly the high end gun market and not the knife user market.
Lastly they haven't fixed there lock geometry issues that fail in different ways like light spine whacks on a roll of duct tap for example (other ways too).
I've also seen that type of detent system... But I forget which model and brand I've seen it on. So maybe it was similar but not the same.
It was on the snecx terra, slightly different but same concept essentially.
The Kershaw Deadline used the tuned detent system as well but as a liner lock.
Damn. That's unacceptable... Guess I'll stick to Spyderco for all my duct tape spine whacking needs.
There are a ton of reasons to dislike zt but the lockbar 'failure' is a non-issue, and you took it to an absurd level.
I love this community.
@@CNYKnifeNerd the locks fail in other ways too. That's just the easiest way to show people it happens to there knives. Glad your smart.
What’s the msrp
$310
A lot 😂
Sounds like the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Sounds like a fix to a problem for ignorance. Sounds like a fix to problem that didn't exist. I guess I've made my point.
It sounds like it.
So ZT stole Matt Diskin's design?
Emerson used the design before Diskin did...
@@EpicSnuggleBunny I though Emerson did have two detent holes though? Sorry if I'm mistaken, never really got into Emerson knives.
@@CASTRO45ACP It's possible, but the concept is so similar that it would be credited to Emerson, or whoever did it before Emerson. imo of course
Suggestion - A video on your most expensive knives? You decide on the price line and up...
The idea has merit, but I'm concerned the focus would be, "look at how much money I can spend," rather than "here are some awesome knives" 🤷♂️
There is a video from a guy who's channel is mostly RC related who got a dud . Gritty action . What would you suggest ? His channel is @RC Network . If you wouldn't mind giving him some advice . His name is Rich .
As with all moving parts, a disassemble and cleaning/lubricating goes a long way.
Damn. It is as I expected, the 2nd detent cant be removed. I wanted to buy this knife but that action is a deal breaker