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3 WOOD SHAFT IN DRIVER.......DOES IT WORK?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ย. 2022
- What happens when you put a 3 wood shaft into a driver?
Well in this video we take a shaft directly out of a Stealth Plus 3 Wood and put it straight into a Stealth Plus driver....
We then discuss and test how the shaft plays, how it affects flex, swingweight, club delivery, swing speed, ball speed, launch and spin.
We test both the standard length driver shaft and the standard length 3 wood shaft.
As always a very in depth look into whether a 3 wood shaft in a driver actually works.
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Just put a 3 wood TM shaft in my M2 head. Fabulous, no loss of distance, in fact a substantial gain down the fairways. Less draw and more accurate. Love it.
Amazing 🙌🙌
Cut down an extra driver shaft from 45’ to 44’ on my cobra SZ driver. First time playing with it, hit 11 fairways. Just had that confident feel and allowed me to go for it.
Much tighter dispersion hence more fairway. Oh, no loss of distance. None.
Go for it people.
Did you go up one level in stiffness and/or did you add any weight on the head?
@@52t99 I imagine butt trimming a shaft will make it stiffer - do you find its easier to fade the ball with the butt trimmed shaft? Thanks!
@@per_growth negligible
Years ago my Driver was 43.5 - 44.0 inches and could reach 300 with old Taylor Made 7 & 9 Degree driver.
In the quest for more distance Club Manufactures have lengthened the shafts to 45+ inches.
I crush my 3 wood and my driver is a Jeckel and Hyde. Looking forward to cutting it down back to 44 and test it out!
My Driver is 43,5“ and a swingweight C6, it‘a great! Try it…..
I think you've convinced me to be open to a shorter driver shaft length when I finally get fitted. I don't currently game a driver, I stick with 3 wood off the tee.
Good stuff Glenn. Always be open to anything in a fitting, you never know what you might find! But yeah generally I don't see much of an advantage for most amateurs to game the stock length shafts, also I think a stock 3 wood shaft is a little too short, somewhere around 44.5 to 45 seems to be a very good balance for most.
@@epgolfstudios I agree with this... a 3w length shaft is going to make the lie angle of a driver really flats well, something also to consider. I tried going all the way down to 44.5" and I hit it on the toe A LOT, moved back to 45" and everything squares up nicely. Length, as with anything in golf, is so player dependent... so try everything and go with what works best 🙂
The problem you will find is most fitters wont have short driver shafts to test. (unless you are going to go 3 wood shaft) and then if you can go short, swing weighting them back to a "normal" might not be an option, will they get the lead tape out? I lay a TM mini Driver, with a driver shaft cut to 43.5 and a midsized grip. I built it myself from ebay parts and use and online calculatro to add tipweights to get the D3 swingweight i like. I would never be able to try that kinda of option with most fitters. Call ahead and see how open your fitter is to shorter shafts and swingweighting on the fly.
Excellent review, my fairway finder is my 3 wood, I struggle with my driver because of length. Will be moving to 3 wood length in my driver. Great video.
Thanks mate 👍👍
One of the most impressive aspect of modern equipment sadly....is the hype and marketing. But with an ounce of knowledge in terms of maths, physics and ballistics the marketing hype can be blown out of the water. When a LM pics up the fundamentals of a ball in flight, it does not know the label/hype behind the club which has just hit it. Absolutely great content in your video once again....
Try that again with an identical shaft, 10g heavier and 1 flex stiffer , add weight to correct swingweight . Amazing results.
My wife plays golf the pro she went to. Fitted a 3 wood shaft into a driver head. She loves it
ladies specific drivers are usually in the 3 wood length range. Sounds like the pro did not have ladies clubs so made one.
I use the three wood shaft in my driver and it completely changed my game for the better. Lost a little bit of distance, but gained more accuracy.
This is exactly how I used to test demo drivers since I typically played a tipped a stiff shaft in the 70-80 gram range at 44”. Decent fitters knew exactly what I was doing, but most of the store guys were always flabbergasted. 😂
Super interesting! And you’ve answered one of the questions I was going to ask you this week about shaft weight! Think we’ll be coming down in weight (even though I hate change!)
Thanks Dave! You're in this week for a fitting with us aren't you?
@@epgolfstudios Yup…coming in on Thursday! Driver and 3 wood! And hopefully to pick up my 4 iron too! Looking forward to it!
Great video. I'd love to see a comparison between choking down on the driver shaft vs the 3 wood shaft. Because if the difference is negligible then it saves you having to buy a new shaft by just choking down. Plus you'll always have the option of going full length for when a huge bomber attempt is really required.
I believe the longer drivers hit further on a robot. The manufacturers are selling us robot data that cannot be duplicated by the average golfer.
They arnt doing themsleves any favors, the average golfer is going to be less and less happy with a golf club they buy off the shelf with no testing. Thats why those infomercials sell "magic drivers" they just shorten the shaft and add loft without telling the golfer so their ego isnt hurt.
I play a 5w shaft (42.5) in my Driver and its absolute money.... I feel like the ball goes where i want it to most of the time. With a stock regular shaft my driver is in the trees half the time or more!
(Im only 5'9" with slightly longer arms than average)
Most golf nuts have dabbled in the short driver for consistency, I think more people need to see this test with a shortened 3 wood versus the crazy stock lengths nowadays.
Completely agree Bobby, thanks for the comment 👍
I think Tiger was gaming 3wood lenght in his driver at one point.
Great video. I'm one of those people relying on my 3 wood. Tried cutting my driver but it ruined the swing weight. Definitely want to try this next. Thanks!
Add lead tape or heavier driver weights.
I game a 5wood length shaft in my 3wood. (Saw it on TH-cam 🙈). Really think it helps me get a better strike on the ball and I can still get a carry number of 230/235 yards out of it.
Yep same here, play 42" in the my stealth 3 plus wood but had to put a 17g after market weight in the back, buy its incredibly good.
And one thing to note. TM's 3 wood length is 43.25, just 0.5" shorter than Nicklaus played in his driver!
Madness isn't it 😂😜
Your video gave me a great idea..... play THE hottest driver on the market like the Cobra but play it shorter like 44" for control for a win/win situation... Thanks!
Yeah definitely could work for sure. Just be careful as the Cobra headweight is already lighter than others, so playing that at 44 the swingweight will be super light. This may be a good or bad thing which obviously depends on the player.
@@epgolfstudios Okay good heads up 👍Cobra does sell heavier head weights and prob after market ones too cause theirs are $25 each lol...
@@jimmypeach8838 yeah should be able to pick some up off eBay too for a bit cheaper
I am gaming a mizuno STZ Driver with a tensi 1K white @ 43 3\4 , It is a bomber. It might be a couple of yards shorter than a full length driver shaft But I would rather be 300 in the middle than 310 in the bushes, Just a thought. !!!!
Exactly that Ablazer 👌👌
Love all your fitting videos!!
Thanks Austin!
Excellent video. Very helpful as I have been thinking of putting a 3 wood shaft into my driver. Playing a mini driver, with which strike and dispersion has been better and wonder whether I would experience similar positive results with a shorter shaft in driver head. My biggest concern would be swing weight. I assume, maybe incorrectly, that simply swapping the changeable weight in the head would fix this.
Great video - thanks for this study!
Thanks Smitty glad you enjoyed it 👍
Love your video, I kill my 3 wood and struggle to hit my driver. Great video, thank you.
Thanks for the comment David, really glad you enjoyed it 👍👍
I can’t hit my driver at all but crush my 3 wood. Someone just suggested I do this and this video was exactly what I was looking for!
That's great Criag. Yeah definitely worth a try mate 👍
I have never tried using a 3 wood shaft in a driver head. I have however cut a shaft from a driver down to a 5 wood length. I found I had to add weight to the head to make it playable.
Please make the same test with adjusted swing weight to assure they are the same. Results might surprise. However you confirm longer is not longer considering accuracy and being in the short stuff 😎
Definitely accuracy is always top of the list with driver. Well considering how much shorter it is the amount of weight you would need to add to get the swingweight back to the same as the driver would be crazy. Even if someone was playing a very short shaft I would never recommend adding that much weight to the head. It would be too heavy. Plus because TM won't sell me the weights I don't have adjustable weights for these heads anyway so I would have to use lead tape, and a lot of it! Something I don't really want to do if I'm honest 😂
Interestingly, the lie angle might explain why your shots were more left with the longer shaft... tow up= left. For those us mid-handicappers who are considering this, the important data points are length and dispersion. As you noted when hitting away, a miss with the longer shaft might be OB on narrow courses, and while we all want shorter clubs into greens, we can only make that club choice with balls in play.
Absolutely right on both points. One thing I will say is lie angle points loft, so on a club like a driver it does have a lot less of an effect than it will on irons and especially wedges. So I think the bigger factor of left shits in this instance would be more down to the substantial length difference and therefore swingweight difference 👍
I game the Taylor Made "mini driver" for the sake of consistency (I'm a 13 HC), I get about 260 out of the mini...I am very much intrigued by a set up like this
It's definitely worth a go. Maybe going 3w length is a little extreme, but 44" to 44.5" with the right shaft and swingweight setup could be really nice 👍
Very interesting video. Would you consider doing a driver test with 45.5, 45, 44.5 shaft, swingweighted to match?
Thanks Lloyd.
I did a very in depth video testing each different length and 3 different swingweights mate if you look back through my videos. It's a bit of an older one now 👍
@@epgolfstudios Will do.
I’m gonna try this tomorrow. I’m putting my stealth 2 + 3 wood shaft in the stealth2+ driver head. Hoping for your results
Excellent video
Thanks Steve 👍
23:32 try to make this fast. Happened to come across a aeroburner TP mini driver 12° on a Ping Tour 75 S shaft. Tried to hit to see what i could do with it. Like every club with a white crown, i can't hit them for some reason. Something about subconsciously may be seeing the blur of white causes to always hit off toe. Sorry. So i decided im going to try to regrip my clubs on my own for the first time. Well, that club was the sac. lamb. When i took the old grip off, I noticed that they had put an extension in it. I didn't know how long they were, nor did I look it up. So, I decided to give club shortening a try. Why not. Took a random guess and pretty much was spot on. It's 41in. My first thoughts when holding looking down, i laughed and thought Jr. set. The next day, i go to a soybean field next door to hit some shag balls to see if i likedchow the grips felt. Decided to hit it. Amazed and this weird feeling at first, i couldn't believe that i felt. I just hammered it. Didn't notice the white blur at all. I was thinking if what i felt was real. 5 more same thing. Then i realized that at the instant that i started my downswing, I could feel exactly where the head was throughout the swing. But the best was being able to feel the exact moment when the head started to make its move , almost like a sling shot move, to catch up with the club and my hands. I've never been fitted but if being fitted means always having that feeling, club fitters are not marketing correctly then. If was guaranteed i could feel that slow-motion kinda Guy Ritchie fight scene. I would camp out to get it done. Its a really neat feeling. Sorry for the novel. Ik i ramble. Hope you guys experience it. Wow. Everytake care. ✌️
It would have been interresting if you put hevyier weights on the club head to mitigate the loss of weigh.
Maybe try a driver shaft in a 3 wood next... I would love to see that.
That is an interesting idea!! Not sure I'd be able to hit it 😂 but I'm willing to give it a go!
I tried that. It was like swinging a long sledgehammer.
My friend uses that, and he’s a + hcp
Another great comparison….how would it work with an XS 3wood shaft?
Thanks mate, what in the same HZRDUS Red fairway shaft? Or just generally an X stiff shaft? I think there's so many variables in that question it would be pretty hard to answer mate tbh 😅 but in theory the same way. Obviously whenever going shorter always need to be mindful the shaft will play stiffer, except in this case!! 😅
Best reviews! So do you play 3W length as you say it would be better.... I bet not lol. Matt at TXG had same results more accurate with very little distance drop off and bet he plays full length lol..... Maybe in between these two would be perfect for you!!
Yeah I would generally play between 44.5 and 45. I think 43.5 without a bit of head weight manipulation and proper shaft selection can feel a bit weird. But yeah shorter for most amateurs is definitely better
Playing a Ventus Blue 6S Velocore + with Ping 10k head.
The shaft is about 45.75in long - considering butt trimming - but would it work the same if I just gripped down an inch? Thanks!
I did this with my pxg gen5 driver because my uncle gave it to me so I just bought a 3 word shaft so I would have to shorten the shaft I am a kid at 5,2 feet
If I was getting fitted, being under 5'7 I would need a 43.5 length. Would they cut the shaft down or stick a fairway shaft in? I'm asking for if ever I bought off a website and asked them to cut it down, would it ruin the club
Just make sure you go to a good fitting place mate. 43.5 is very short, even for someone under 5'7. You may be fine at 44 or 44.5. but yes when going shorter you do have to be careful. It affects how the shaft plays and obviously swingweight as well. So it can be tricky to get fitted really well at that length. It's very unlikely that they would have shafts that play 43.5, because that is pretty extremely short considering standard drivers are 45.5 or 45.75 nowadays. The best advice I can give you is just to go to the best fitting facility you can with the most options and work with an experienced fitter 👍
This would work if your add lead tape to your driver head to bring it with 3 wood shaft to D2-D3 SW?
Ok, so I watched it three times and the swing weight was the same with both shafts, you said D6 for both, so there was NO CHANGE!?!?
I always thought a 'softer' shaft will promote a draw rather than a fade - but you were drawing the 260cpm shaft and fading the 254cpm shaft. Any idea why?
@@per_growth generally most players will miss a softer shaft to the right. It is player dependent, depending on transition speed, how you load and unload the shaft, but over the years there's definitely more of a pattern of longer and softer is a lot harder to square up the face. Shorter / stiffer much easier to square up
Did you play the short one at C6? or did you add head weight to normalize swing weight?
@@eriksvideos6022 no dintt add head weigh
Love the science…
Doesn't it just depend on how tall the person is. I guess that just meens you needto have the clubs fitted. because nothing comes off the rack in the proper length for someone 5 foot 4 or so.
Awesome
If cut a driver shaft how do I keep the swing weight the same as the original swing weight? Or what’s the best way to add weight to it?
Best way is obviously to use a driver that has an adjustable weight so you can just change it for a heavier one. It's either that or good old fashioned lead tape. Or find someone that can hot melt. But not many of those about.
I recently purchased a Callaway Rogue ST Max 3 Hybrid which basically is giving me more consistency and the same length as my driver. Would you recommend putting a 3 wood shaft onto my driver. A smaller shaft seems to be helping my consistency rather than a stock shaft ?
It certainly could mate yes! However I always think 3 wood shaft into driver is a tiny bit extreme. Get someone to cut down your driver shaft to 44.5" and give that a go 👍
i think perhaps if the 3 wood shaft was perhaps a half inch longer that would feel a little more comfortable
Possibly mate. I generally see 44.5 to 45 being a very nice length in general and for most people 👌
How much weight should I add the to head ? G400 driver head on G400 3W shaft.
Hey Jack, the answer to that really comes down to you. If you wanted to get back up around the standard swingweight then you'd need to add around 25-30g which is just an instance amount and would make the head waaayyyyy to heavy. So I wouldn't worry about it needing to be a standard swingweight. Personally I do think a 3w shaft is too small for a driver. I think 44 should be the smallest really. But if you are going with a 3w shaft I would start with adding 10g and see how that goes. Really it's a case of fine tuning the head weight for you. If you're missing left add weight, missing right take off weight
45.75 STD length for driver is just crazy. I remember when brigestone J33 drivers were considered long at 45".
Current PGA tour average driver shaft is 44.75, and the LPGA is 45.25.
Hi, good video, if I use a 3 wood shaft in my 10.5 deg driver head do I need to adjust the settings
Hey Robert, not necessarily no. It will play flatter relative to the shorter shaft so possibly more upright but I would try it first and see what the miss is and then adjust from there 🤞
@@epgolfstudios thanks
A wood shaft is a wood shaft. All shafts are manipulated (cut) at the tip or the grip or a combo of both to achieve the flex, flex point that the player needs. Is your goal to test what happens to the driver if you play a shorter shaft? What is the goal?
Yes you are correct. And a lot of people just whack their 3 wood shaft straight into their driver to see how it plays for them....so I did a test video with in depth numbers about what happens if you do that, thought it was pretty self explanatory 😂
@@epgolfstudios OK, got it. People can really get helped a great deal with a proper analysis and fitting. I think because the newer generation clubs have the screw on connection, they fashion themselves a club fitter. The older clubs made alterations a major ordeal!
Hi pal, will there be an issue with taking an inch off the shaft on the QI10 max without changing the swing weight? I have the kai’la blue in 43.5 and 44.75. Thanks a lot
No not for 90% of people. Generally the standard swingweight on a Qi10 is very heavy with the standard 45.75 inch shaft so high majority of people playing it at 44.75 would be a lot better than 45.75
@@epgolfstudios Thank you buddy. I really appreciate the response
What if you put a driver shaft in a 3wood head?
How about add a little lead tape or heavier weights.
Sure you could mess about with lots of variables when changing shaft length.
The purpose of this video was just to demonstrate what would happen if we just stuck a 3 wood shaft straight into a driver, only as I'm sure millions have done in the past and thousands more will do in the future.
My videos are already long enough without me tinkering even more 😅😅
I hope this all makes sense..
I want to replicate my 3 wood (43.25” 59g regular flex D3) but with a driver head. Can I buy a 43.25” regular flex shaft and throw my driver head on there, or should I go up to a stiff to counter act the added weight of the driver head?
Hey Criag. Well you would have to do the opposite mate because the driver head is lighter than a 3 wood head. Therefore the shaft would play stiffer. However if you wanted to get the SW to D3 you would need to add A LOT of weight into the head of the driver which would be a challenge in itself, and then that would also change how the flex of the shaft played depending on how much weight you could add back into the head. If you wanted to get it exactly right you would have to take it to a very experienced club builder to see if / how it could be done. Because you would want to frequency match the shaft really. If you are just taking a guess it will be almost impossible to get the exact same feel as you have in your 3 wood if I'm honest.
@@epgolfstudios I was fitted for a driver last year and the guy had no idea what he was doing so it was a waste of money. I learned more by watching your video and doing my own research. I appreciate the info. You’re the man🙌🏼
Its a shame all some "fitters" really do is hand you stock clubs and see which you hit best. @@nebaseball6
I thought since the 3 wood shaft had lower CPMs then the launch angle would have been higher. Can you do this test with TSR or are the 3 wood adapters shorter?
Shaft flex doesn't really have a direct link to launch and spin to be honest. That's mainly a myth. I've even seen a senior flex shaft launch and spin less than and extra stiff at high speeds. It's more down to the individual. And yes the Titlesit fairway and driver sleeves are different unfortunately so you'd have to cut down a driver to 3 wood length for that test.
@@epgolfstudios Thanks!
In your experience when you have someone who struggles with strike location do you tend to shorten the shaft?
Yes definitely. In fact I rarely fit someone for a standard length driver.
You have to think about what you are gaining.
Generally speaking the main benefit of going longer is more club speed. That is why OEMs have been trending longer and longer.
But say we go an inch shorter we will lose minimal head speed (1 or 2mph) however over the course of a season and hundreds of not thousands of drives having that shorter length will lead to better strikes and more consistency. So that meaningless 1 or 2 mph swing speed gain is not even worth mentioning.
This video is obviously extreme, I wouldn't recommend going to 3 wood length in a driver but going 44.5 to 45 inches for most would be better than 45.75.
Great, appreciate the reply.
I’m going to look at going shorter now see if that helps me.
@@Ian1980Curtis just don't go too mad 😂 half inch first and see how it goes 👍
What length do you play your driver ? Cheers.
I've dabbled a lot over the years. But currently I'm at 45" 👍
Could you get the standard driver shaft (stock) and head weighted to a D4
As long as you buy a driver which has adjustable weights in the head then yes you could change it to whatever you like. Even if you didn't you could swingweight it and then cut off the right amount to reduce the swingweight to what you want it to be.
@@epgolfstudios I have the exact same stealth plus driver
@@Twohampshiregolfers then you can just buy different weights to put in the head mate 👍 can get them on eBay. Obviously you need to check the swingweight of yours at the min to make sure what it is before changing the weights, not all stock clubs will come out of the factory the same so best to check exactly what yours is before buying different weights and making changes 👍
More accuracy, less yardage....better scores!
🙌🙌🙌
what about the opposite? ever tried?
No and wouldn't recommend it 😂
@@epgolfstudios Hi, and why? 😀
why not just choke down on the same driver shaft?
My thoughts exactly. I fitted in that shaft so just choke down two inches.
The answer is cut the driver shaft to around 44 to 45 inch. And adjust to d2-d3.
you lost 10 yards carry, but that was at 290. someone carrying 220 should lose maybe 7 yards?
I am offering my services to be your Guinea pig. I am very interested to see if it would help me!
Drop me a DM on insta mate @epgolfstudios and maybe we can sort something out 👍
Long drive guys take weight out of the head with a longer shaft creating a light swing weight.
Stinks that the TaylorMade PX RDX Red fairway is a one off; if you look near the bottom there's no Hextow symbol.
They didn't do a one-off for their driver shaft. The TaylorMade one off is limp like a noodle compared to the same flex in the standard line.
Maybe redo video with more comparable shafts?
Good video, but the auto-focus/zooming of your camera makes me want to puke.
30 minutes Jesus Christ
The most in depth in TH-cam 🙌 anything you need or want to know....is in here 👍
Stand still when you are talking please
Thanks for the advice 👀😂
Too much talk ? Show results
Why don't you just fast forward?
Bla bla blah less is more wtf
Precisely that. Well summed up 👏👏🤣