Yes, the problem was that I recorded this in the very hot spell we had and there was a fan on in the room - I didn't realise until ages later when I came to edit the video that there was this massive bakground hum. I've tried my best to clear it up in post but it's still not perfect
Built this kit and absolutely LOVED it! I have spare decals because of it and it will allow me to do a turkish hurricane build. I am really not a fan of Interior detail as it takes way too long and I don't have the patience. None of the warping shown in this video was included in my kit, however I do acknowledge that different kits have differences in moulding and we are of course entirled to our own opinions.
Also kit storage conditions at the retailer may be different.. a kit could be stored on a shelf in a very hot warehouse or shop and warp from the heat.
Today you should treat this as an entry level kit to give your kid and make with them as a first model to introduce them to the hobby. I think it's fine. If you want something better there are more expensive alternatives.
A kit for a younger child maybe? If you were building another Spitfire you kid could build along with you. Just a thought, thanks as always for another video.
No wheelwells, no armoured windscreen, no cockpit detail or seat, poorly shaped propeller, poorly shaped wheels, poorly shaped exhausts...etc. That is not worth the £5 or so charged for it. it is worth £1.50 at the most. Truely an insult to R J Mitchell.
the raised landing gear as just details on the wing also gives me the vibe of 50-60s kits as I remember seeing a lot of Testors rebox's of the old Hawk tooling had the same thing which seemed to be the fad at the time.
I'm 90% sure that that second marking option isn't actually a RAF plane - it's a SAAF plane flown by Eric Robinson. If that's the case, not only the instructions are incorrect, but so are the decals. The red in the fin flash and roundels ought to be orange.
What's interesting is that I looked on Scalemates after this video and it suggests that the PM models Spitfire tooling is part of a long legacy dating back all the way to the first Frog Spitfire model released in 1939, meaning that it could ultimately be an 80+ year old tooling- I didn't even know plastic kits were being made before the war! That also means it's a good quarter of a century older than the Airfix Vintage Classics, which is equally why it looks so prehistoric, and why there could be historic value in putting one together, as I doubt there are many other kits with such a long pedigree.
I’m not sure how accurate the information on scalemates is that far back in time. I’m of the understanding the 1930s frog spitfire kit was made of wood, so not particularly related to the injection moulded versions
I bought the seaplane version 20+ years ago and threw it away as soon as I saw the massively short-shot floats, where one side was 10mm shorter than the other side of the float. Only really useful as an air rifle target
Bought a version of this kit back in the early nineties, back then it was just sold as a Vb, I was so unimpressed with the kit the only thing I used were the Turkish markings, I ended up using them on an Airfix Mk.Vb with a resin Vokes filter to produce a Turkish Air Force Spitfire.
Hi Matt.. you mentioned the lack of parts count and dimensions on the box. There's no Difficulty/Skill Level either so a purchaser wouldn't know if it was suitable for their skill level in advance. Re the decals. I know some like Cartograf mark numbers for decals. If PM did that at least it draws your attention to 'something' being there. I hadn't noticed the white ones until you said. No undercarriage bays as you mentioned, but could you create them by carefully following the raised detail on the wing with a knife? I think that would be better than nothing. This whole kit reminds me of the quality of kits I made in the 70s - guns moulded on, no cockpit, only a one-piece closed canopy etc. I'd advise a new modeller to spend a bit more and get an Airfix Starter Set, especially as those include glue, paints, and a brush.
When it comes to kits with literally no cockpit, if I'm not inclined to scratch build something, I will often paint the inside of the canopy gloss black to mimic what you see on pictures and artwork sometimes. It makes it look like it's 'under' the canopy frame as well. It's an effect I like doing. At least with PM Model kits their price reflects the level of detail.
You can tell the older modellers by the comments here. As a kid in the 60’s/70’s you’d have been over the moon with this kit back then. No one ever worried about the lack of cockpit detail. Some kits just had a pilot sitting on a stick.
I think you've been generous in your appraisal Matt. I have one from the 80's, opened but not built. I would argue that even as a practice piece it's of limited value. My version has line drawings and no coloured plan if I'm not mistaken. I've had better kits from cornflakes packets. Having said that... there's always a fan of the slightly quirky. Thanks for the review....do you think you might build it?
It's odd that Bachmann; associated with premium priced railway models are importing very cheap, unimpressive model kits. I guess it's because Hornby can supply Airfix to those retailers selling for all modellers and they wanted some of that market share.
Go the Horten hears a Hoo 229 from PM models. Part built at mo. Lack of detail an lot of flash. Was a pressie so got to get it finished somehow. Next step is landing gear
As soon as I saw the single piece wings I thought “That’s the old Frog kit!” This was my very first kit back in late 66, I remember buying it shortly after the World Cup. Now in my sixties I’ve returned to the model world and have even bought an original Frog kit II/V. Just like yours 😂 Had to pay a bit more than £5.50 for it. I won’t make it but just keep it in the display cabinet along with my new builds. Thanks for reminding me 😀
I have bought this model and as of now it remains in the box. I can’t argue with you at all it’s very basic and £5.50 maybe a little high!! I shall make it just to see what can be done. Bob England
I have pioneer kit in my stash brought it second hand as it was so cheep the decals look identical even white on white paper. Only us and uk decals and it comes with a stand If wold like me to send kit to you I’ll even pay postage won’t be much anyway think it would be interesting to compare the two kits
Very fare, it’s basic. I actually quite like the basic models which do require work. I have quite a lot off old kits to build including Vac form. Look forward to your next video.
A friend bought me a Mister Craft Apache helicopter kit. Im making it as its a gift but its terrible. One missing piece. No detail whatsoever and the instructions have the wrong assembly order.
@@ModelMinutes I learn something every day, thank you. All Vc (trop) versions I've modelled didn't - but those are all RAAF, so maybe other production batches varied.
@@adandap I’m not entirely sure why/which ones got the underwing blisters but in some images there definitely are some with them, not all, but definitely existed 😂
@@ModelMinutes just watched...yes its crude and a product of its time but i can see,to a certain extent why they did the undercarrage the way they did...definitley aimed at the younger /beginner modeller in my mind...shame the most attractive things about it are the artwork and colour paint guide
@@ModelMinutes Yeah. It would still look really bad if you did it as in flight. maybe a diorama of it crashed on the sea or ground would be in order. Then you can hide the lower wings lol.
Having watched this review and the build (great effort) that really is an awful kit. You can accept challenges and errors in kits of subjects that are rarely available, or are limited run. When you are selling something that is iconic some effort should be made. I am no Spitfire expert but that kit just looks off. Looks like it is time for the tooling for this kit to be recycled.
What happened with your sound ? normally you're audio are much better...
Yes, the problem was that I recorded this in the very hot spell we had and there was a fan on in the room - I didn't realise until ages later when I came to edit the video that there was this massive bakground hum. I've tried my best to clear it up in post but it's still not perfect
@@ModelMinutes It was the revenge effect of PM models
@@daniel_lucio lol maybe
Built this kit and absolutely LOVED it! I have spare decals because of it and it will allow me to do a turkish hurricane build. I am really not a fan of Interior detail as it takes way too long and I don't have the patience. None of the warping shown in this video was included in my kit, however I do acknowledge that different kits have differences in moulding and we are of course entirled to our own opinions.
I'm glad you had a positive experience with it :)
Also kit storage conditions at the retailer may be different.. a kit could be stored on a shelf in a very hot warehouse or shop and warp from the heat.
@@julianmhall exactly.
@@ModelMinutes :)
Today you should treat this as an entry level kit to give your kid and make with them as a first model to introduce them to the hobby. I think it's fine.
If you want something better there are more expensive alternatives.
I agree :)
A kit for a younger child maybe? If you were building another Spitfire you kid could build along with you. Just a thought, thanks as always for another video.
yeah, that is not a bad idea
l like PM Models although their kits need a bit of work to get a presentable model but they're always worth the extra effort . Good video .
Yes, they do need a little work, thanks for watching!
No wheelwells, no armoured windscreen, no cockpit detail or seat, poorly shaped propeller, poorly shaped wheels, poorly shaped exhausts...etc. That is not worth the £5 or so charged for it. it is worth £1.50 at the most. Truely an insult to R J Mitchell.
Thanks for sharing :)
@@ModelMinutes You too. Its nice to know Revell's P-51 from the mid 1960s has unhealthy competition.
@@Payne2view 😂 that’s true
The PM kit is a "refined" FROG mokd from 1959 if i recall the year correctly. Eastern Express also still boxes it.
Pretty sure I talk about that in the video?
the raised landing gear as just details on the wing also gives me the vibe of 50-60s kits as I remember seeing a lot of Testors rebox's of the old Hawk tooling had the same thing which seemed to be the fad at the time.
yeah, this dates from around then so it makes sense
I'm 90% sure that that second marking option isn't actually a RAF plane - it's a SAAF plane flown by Eric Robinson. If that's the case, not only the instructions are incorrect, but so are the decals. The red in the fin flash and roundels ought to be orange.
Yes, you may be right! I know the Airfix version has something similar and it is SAAF
What's interesting is that I looked on Scalemates after this video and it suggests that the PM models Spitfire tooling is part of a long legacy dating back all the way to the first Frog Spitfire model released in 1939, meaning that it could ultimately be an 80+ year old tooling- I didn't even know plastic kits were being made before the war! That also means it's a good quarter of a century older than the Airfix Vintage Classics, which is equally why it looks so prehistoric, and why there could be historic value in putting one together, as I doubt there are many other kits with such a long pedigree.
I’m not sure how accurate the information on scalemates is that far back in time. I’m of the understanding the 1930s frog spitfire kit was made of wood, so not particularly related to the injection moulded versions
I bought the seaplane version 20+ years ago and threw it away as soon as I saw the massively short-shot floats, where one side was 10mm shorter than the other side of the float. Only really useful as an air rifle target
ah that is a shame
Bought a version of this kit back in the early nineties, back then it was just sold as a Vb, I was so unimpressed with the kit the only thing I used were the Turkish markings, I ended up using them on an Airfix Mk.Vb with a resin Vokes filter to produce a Turkish Air Force Spitfire.
at least you managed to do something with some of the parts
I will happy to see more pm model build video. i'm paint pm model f-16 aggresor right now. thanks for cheerful video.
Stay tuned - more to come!
Hi Matt.. you mentioned the lack of parts count and dimensions on the box. There's no Difficulty/Skill Level either so a purchaser wouldn't know if it was suitable for their skill level in advance.
Re the decals. I know some like Cartograf mark numbers for decals. If PM did that at least it draws your attention to 'something' being there. I hadn't noticed the white ones until you said.
No undercarriage bays as you mentioned, but could you create them by carefully following the raised detail on the wing with a knife? I think that would be better than nothing.
This whole kit reminds me of the quality of kits I made in the 70s - guns moulded on, no cockpit, only a one-piece closed canopy etc. I'd advise a new modeller to spend a bit more and get an Airfix Starter Set, especially as those include glue, paints, and a brush.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! :)
I was thinking that it looked ancient from the moldings, seems I was right, 1958 passed off as new? Naughty! 😂
Very naughty! :P
When it comes to kits with literally no cockpit, if I'm not inclined to scratch build something, I will often paint the inside of the canopy gloss black to mimic what you see on pictures and artwork sometimes. It makes it look like it's 'under' the canopy frame as well. It's an effect I like doing.
At least with PM Model kits their price reflects the level of detail.
I don't tend to bother making a cockpit when not much will be seen through the canopy
You can tell the older modellers by the comments here. As a kid in the 60’s/70’s you’d have been over the moon with this kit back then. No one ever worried about the lack of cockpit detail. Some kits just had a pilot sitting on a stick.
Yes, but as a modern product with the current standards it’s quite poor
Wow, NO cockpit interior at all? The Matchbox kits I used to build in my teens at least had a chair and a pilot figure..
lol there is virtually no details on this kit
I think you've been generous in your appraisal Matt. I have one from the 80's, opened but not built. I would argue that even as a practice piece it's of limited value. My version has line drawings and no coloured plan if I'm not mistaken. I've had better kits from cornflakes packets. Having said that... there's always a fan of the slightly quirky. Thanks for the review....do you think you might build it?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The build video for this is already available on the channel :)
Oh, good! I've got the floatplane version in the stack somewhere!!!
It's just as bad lol :P
I used the floats and cut the filter off and used an Airfix Spit to make the float version.
It's odd that Bachmann; associated with premium priced railway models are importing very cheap, unimpressive model kits. I guess it's because Hornby can supply Airfix to those retailers selling for all modellers and they wanted some of that market share.
yes, exactly my thoughts too
@@ModelMinutes Bachmann Europe is quite a big UK kit distributor - it distributes Academy, Trumpeter, HK Models, Roden and owns the Emhar brand too.
Maybe the move to the Gunze colors is because the Testors line has been discontinued.
yeah maybe!
Maybe a challenge, transforming it into a Seafire MK Ib?
An interesting idea!
Go the Horten hears a Hoo 229 from PM models. Part built at mo. Lack of detail an lot of flash. Was a pressie so got to get it finished somehow. Next step is landing gear
I think i got the old issue of that, for some reason it had no decals and it never got finished... maybe a rescue project
If I remember it's got decals but not many. Shoved back in the box a few months ago. If there is decals I'm sure there was more flash lol
@@spikeriches8821 lol, I think mine just had them missed in the factory, but then this is about 15 years ago
Great video, although the model is a bit crude but believe you can achieve a great result.
If you want to put some extra work in :P
@@ModelMinutes oh yes most definitely
As soon as I saw the single piece wings I thought “That’s the old Frog kit!”
This was my very first kit back in late 66, I remember buying it shortly after the World Cup. Now in my sixties I’ve returned to the model world and have even bought an original Frog kit II/V. Just like yours 😂
Had to pay a bit more than £5.50 for it.
I won’t make it but just keep it in the display cabinet along with my new builds.
Thanks for reminding me 😀
Thanks for watching!
Going back to the two vid a week format are we?
Really depends how much time I get to create videos 😂
I have bought this model and as of now it remains in the box. I can’t argue with you at all it’s very basic and £5.50 maybe a little high!! I shall make it just to see what can be done.
Bob
England
good luck!
Could do you do a reveiw on the academy 1/72 p-51D i would like to see whay you think of the kit
I’ve got one in the stash, looks pretty good
@@ModelMinutes I'm currently building one and the cockpit is impressive for 1/72
@@ModelMinutes ive posted pictures of mine in your discord
@@Duster_33 awesome!
@@ModelMinutes I'd also like to see a review of the 1/48 academy p-38J it cokes with 4 versions
Support this Bass playing Modellers so he can hopefully get himself a microphone 🎤 😜
:P
I have pioneer kit in my stash brought it second hand as it was so cheep the decals look identical even white on white paper. Only us and uk decals and it comes with a stand If wold like me to send kit to you I’ll even pay postage won’t be much anyway think it would be interesting to compare the two kits
Thanks for the offer, sadly i'm not taking donations at the moment as I have more than enough to be getting on with for now lol
@@ModelMinutes that’s ok I understand
Very fare, it’s basic. I actually quite like the basic models which do require work. I have quite a lot off old kits to build including Vac form. Look forward to your next video.
thanks!
A friend bought me a Mister Craft Apache helicopter kit. Im making it as its a gift but its terrible. One missing piece. No detail whatsoever and the instructions have the wrong assembly order.
yeah they can be a bit like that
I have never seen these kits in the model shop were do you buy them ?
I bought them in a model shop when I was passing through, but I think they can be found quite easily online too
good vid on channelthanks lee
Thanks! :D
is it possible to do a compare build of the pm spitfire and the mistercrat spitfire
Thanks for the suggestion, sadly I don't have one to do a comparison with
Looks to be the quality of a 1960’s lucky bag toy 😮🇬🇧🌈
lol that is about right
A bit expensive for an air rifle target.
lol maybe
Wait, they added cannon blisters below the wings as well as above them? Well, just add that to the list of problems with the kit...
I looked up images of the real spitfire, it seems that some of them did have underwing blisters too
@@ModelMinutes I learn something every day, thank you. All Vc (trop) versions I've modelled didn't - but those are all RAAF, so maybe other production batches varied.
@@adandap I’m not entirely sure why/which ones got the underwing blisters but in some images there definitely are some with them, not all, but definitely existed 😂
Will watch later when im home from work
I hope you enjoy!
@@ModelMinutes i always do,Mat.👍👍
@@jaws666 😊
@@ModelMinutes just watched...yes its crude and a product of its time but i can see,to a certain extent why they did the undercarrage the way they did...definitley aimed at the younger /beginner modeller in my mind...shame the most attractive things about it are the artwork and colour paint guide
@@jaws666 yeah that’s true
You have to many RAF painted kits. Please, make a Turkish one instead. 😊
Ah, I already built this one, maybe next time 😂
PM are cheap & cheerful ,type of kit you used to build ,paint & shoot to bits with a pellet gun all in one day Lol
yeah, definitely a pocket money toy
Ideal for a beginner of a young age . £2.50 no more
well said
Oh boy, that's a bad kit. Not providing wheel wells is scandalous in my opinion.
it's almost like they didn't know they existed when they made the tooling lol
@@ModelMinutes Yeah. It would still look really bad if you did it as in flight. maybe a diorama of it crashed on the sea or ground would be in order. Then you can hide the lower wings lol.
So mistercraft and PM models competing for the title of worst model maker of the year is it
lol maybe!
Someone who has not heard of or seen a Starfix kit.......
Oh but I have - sadly not been able to get one in the flesh though . . yet . . .
worse then mistercraft or ZTS?
I think these companies are bad in some areas and better in others
Crude enought ,toy like 👍
very much so!
That kit seams worse then the airfix 1/76 scale panther tank
Can’t say I’ve had a go at the panther
@@ModelMinutes if you ever do a panta don't do the one I mentioned it has realy bad fit
Turkish quality control.
or just an ancient tooling?
Having watched this review and the build (great effort) that really is an awful kit. You can accept challenges and errors in kits of subjects that are rarely available, or are limited run. When you are selling something that is iconic some effort should be made. I am no Spitfire expert but that kit just looks off. Looks like it is time for the tooling for this kit to be recycled.
Yes, especially given that there are much better versions of the Spitfire Vb or Vc from other companies for only a little more money
I made this and it was awful!
i can imagine!
@@ModelMinutes I think the wings are wrong as well. Mine had a canon blister on the top and bottom parts of the wing which isn’t correct
@@kevinhitchcock4903 looking at pictures online of real spitfires, some of them did have blisters on both sides
These really are the worst models in the world.
I reckon I could still find worse lol
14+ age group.. so like 6+ years higher than actual model kits that require skill...this would be suitable for a toddler
probably for toy safety laws