Currently running a 16inch rear and it's the bomb! I didn't even think about the Suspension Lift linkage. Planning on running a 19inch front and .75inch linkage as soon as they are available in the colors I like. Thank you so much for all of your hard work!
@@levieto Obviously it does require a whole new wheel to fit a 16" tire. If you run your stock 48t sprocket you will loose a tiny amount of acceleration (-3%) based on our acceleration tests, it's not enough that you can feel it. If you put a 54t sprocket on the bike which is what we run due to all our mountain climbing terrain you will be slightly faster than stock. Check out our acceleration data here: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/acceleration-testing
I have that setup the bike flows nice . You get great breaking with 16/19 but stability increases you can jump and manual the bike it brings the performance up
Thank you for all the information in these 2 videos. It seems to me that the folks who might benefit the most from a 16/19 setup are those who ride off-road. I ride mostly on the road, and a little off road (80% road, 20% trails) so I think the Shinko 241's 19/19 might suit me best, but I'm always open to suggestions. Take care!
Hi guys! Love your videos, learnt a lot from them. What kind of rim and tyre do you have for the back 16"wheel?( Rim and tyre dimensions) The tiser for the linkage how long is it in cm? Thanks a lot! Expecting more videos
Gentlemen, your videos are a fantastic resource for those of us just getting into this type of riding. Question… Do your recommendations for the tire set-ups for the Surron (especially the 16”/19”) generally hold true for the Talaria R and the Pro SS? Thank you.
Love your guys videos! I really appreciate the vast knowledge you guys have. I’m planning my build now, and am planning on going with the 16/19 set up. What tooth sprocket to do you guys suggest for the 16 on a stock bypassed battery?
Love the video! But i dont get it why these rims for Surron are so extreme expensive compared to other bikes? I can buy excel wheels for MX for half the price same size. What makes them so much different from MX wheels? yamaha... honda zuuk..
Economies of scale. We only make a few hundred hubs at a time and they are made in America. When moto companies build hubs they are building 1000's of them in Taiwan/China and paying a fraction of the price we are. Same thing with the spokes. As the surron market grows we can hopefully scale things and drive costs down.
I'll be ordering the talaria sting r mx4 2023 here in a couple months I want to try 16/19 on it with supermoto wheel and tire and mx wheel and tire setup do yall do it for the taparia also with New rims and tires and ship them out? Or is it sur-ron bikes only? I freaking love the way you got your setup
Hi yes, we are the only company that has made a Talaria specific hub (no adapters) and we have both 18/21 and 16/19 available. 16/19 is amazing for off-road, but for SM we prefer 17" for the better tire selection. We have some new SM products launching soon that are going to blow peoples minds....wait until you see it! :)
The difference is nearly imperceptible and this is why 16/19 is our favorite for the light bee. Massive traction and handling improvements with almost no impact in acceleration and range. Check out our acceleration chart at the bottom of this page, a 16/19 with a 54t sprocket and upgraded chain was faster than the stock Surron Benchmark: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/acceleration-testing
Excel does not make 14/17 in gold, but we can build 16/19 in Gold. 14/17 is only available in Black and we have them here: chargedcycleworks.com/products/surron-little-ripper-package-for-kids
Great video, but the idea that mountain bike rims and tires won't work just doesn't make sense. There are carbon mountain bike rims that are far stronger than the stock Surron rims. And the forces pro downhill riders put on their 40lb+ rigs are far greater than the average rider puts on their Surron. This seems like one of those myths that keeps getting repeated without any evidence to support it. Here's another way to look at it. If there are bike rims that can support a 220lb rider going downhill at 40-50 mph (and there are) then they can just as easily support a 150lb rider on a Surron. Same weight and forces. I don't see how adding 5lb+ of additional unsprung weight to each wheel, sacrificing acceleration, maneuverability and battery life is worth the tradeoff for questionable strength and durability benefits.
A surron with an average adult rider is MORE THAN 300lbs and we are capable of riding at motorcycle speeds on all terrain not just downhill. In our years of racing motocross we have seen what happens when a front wheel comes apart and it always ends in a trip to the ER with serious injuries. If you are a slow casual rider on a stock surron, you might be OK with MTB wheels and tires, but the second you ride hard and modify your surron to go far beyond the speeds of a stock bike, a MTB wheel and paper thin tire is not going to be safe. Don't trust us? No problem, I encourage you to reach out to ANY MTB wheel manufacturer and ask them if they recommend running their strongest wheel on a Surron...we already know what they will tell you.
@@ChargedCycleWorks And what about the handlebar, fork, rear suspension and brakes? By your logic, since these were all designed for mountain bikes and wouldn't be approved by the manufacturer, they're not safe for a Surron. Is a brake failure at 50 mph really better than putting a taco in your wheel by casing a jump? What about blowing up your fork or snapping your handlebar? If you're smashing huge motocross jumps at full speed then it makes sense to beef up your bike as much as possible. But in that case, why are you riding a Surron and not a dirt bike? Of course, the average rider isn't doing that; they're riding trails and hitting a few small jumps and drops. The Stealth b-52 (among others) has front and rear mountain bike wheels/tires, weighs more than a stock Surron and goes just as fast. So you're not just debating me here, but a company that's been around for years with a ton of positive reviews. You'd think if people were blowing up these wheels that we'd have heard about it by now. I think dismissing mountain bike wheels and tires outright for the average rider is disingenuous, unless you're going to do the same for all the other mountain bike parts on the Surron. Is it possible there's a bit of bias on your end given you've built your company around custom motorcycle wheels?
As much as we try to be experts on everything we sell, test, and ride, we don’t keep up with other vendor’s products. You’ll have to check their website.
Hi, i have a question regarding the 16 inch wheel. If i run my Surron on the standart X controller with the standart battery, how bad is the loss of power. Someone on Facebook didnt recommend me to upgrade to 16 inch if i dont have a power upgrade and now i dont know if it's worth my money?
All of our bikes on stock power use the 16/19 setup. It makes the platforms geometry and stability way better. with a 54t sprocket the power loss isn't very noticeable. We highly recommend it and are sure you'd be happy after the purchase
NO! In fact the Talaria needs the opposite out of the box, the geometry is so stink bug it feels like you are riding on the front tire. This is why we introduced our Stage2 package with a 21" front tire to raise the front end up and get the bike feeling more stable and confidence inspiring. 16/19 is not yet available, we are working on a brand new hub for Talaria, unfortunately it's wider than a surron hub. chargedcycleworks.com/collections/talaria-sting/products/stage2-package-for-talaria
Yes, the exact same advice is applied to the Talaria. They do use a different rear hub, so be sure to purchase a Talaria specific wheel not a Surron. chargedcycleworks.com/collections/wheels-1?sort_by=manual&filter.p.tag=talaria
If you want to run a tire larger than 3.00" you have no choice but to offset the wheel away from the chain. Off road where the bike is constantly being disturbed by the terrain you cannot tell any difference. The handling of a 16/19 Surron with a 90/100-16 tire and an offset wheel to accomodate the wider tire is night and day better than an OEM wheelset. It's the single biggest improvement you can make to the Surron or Talaria.
@@ChargedCycleWorks I love my 16 inch now, had to cut knobys, I don't want to dish the rim as flicking to the left feels strange with dished rim imo, I can feel it. Do you know of a 16 inch narrow tire who would fit without cutting or dishing ? I had a 90/100-19 vee ruber who fitted without dishing or cutting the knobs, I need a tire who's knobs don't stick out to much on the sides. Thanks for your work on testing all those tires + weighting wheels etc, so helpfull .
The only time a rim lock is beneficial on Surron is when you get a flat tire and you need to ride the bike out of the backcountry. It will prevent the tire from falling off the rim and allow you to ride farther over rough terrain with a flat tire.
The rim lock is fitted to stop the tyre spinning on the rim and ripping the valve out of the innertube. This is more likely to happen when running low tyre pressures.
@@anthonytilling3442 I don't run low tire pressure haven't been using my rim lock even tho I have one it was easier to put my tire on without it. What about when I go 72v and bump it up to like 12kw or 15kw I don't usually run low tire pressure I like some air in my tires but with the added power will I need the rim lock I wonder. Bout to hey a battery soon that's why I ask. That comment was a year ago lol bikes still running hard. Although the motors noisy I think that's it. Would've been nice to get the new R without as much cogging it's got the ipm motor
Lol, yes. Check out the site. If the color or size you want is out of stock, use the notification feature. We put more wheels into inventory every week.
I’m still not sure. Besides better puncture resistance and more choice, how is this an upgrade to a 19” rear? You seem to be comparing this more against an 18 inch real wheel. What’s wrong with 19”. There are some good tires at this size and being narrow, they’re very flickable. Thanks
The 16" rear is superior in every way, ask anybody who has ridden our 16/19 setup they will back up this statement. You get the massive tire selection from the 90/100-16 motocross racing tires in every tread design and compound you can imagine. You get REAL REAR TIRES that were actually designed to drive the bike forward rather than running front tires on your rear factory 19" rim which were never designed to be used in the rear. If you look at any lap time video we have ever done the 16/19 setup ALWAYS wins. The minimal weight gain of the 16" tires is far exceeded in performance gains and flat protection. If you ever get a chance to ride one you should. Just recently a customer of ours who purchased a 16" from us a year ago, sold the wheel to his friend to go back to OEM 19" rear wheel thinking it would be faster (because it's lighter), after just one ride on his OEM 19" rear he ordered another 16" wheel from us and told us how big of a mistake it was trying to go back to a 19" in the rear. Plenty of people other than us talking about this setup in the various Surron groups, you don't have to take our word for it. :)
@@ChargedCycleWorks that......seemed defensive. I was just asking for more information. For motocross type riding I could see the benefit. But something like a sr241 is universal front or rear and works very well. I dont have a surron but those tires work great on other bikes
@@victorvannatter312 the 241 trials tires are great for those who like to ride a lot of hard surfaces, very popular tire, almost everyone riding on street runs them, also really good in place like Moab. For those wanting high off-road performance beyond hard surfaces, not so great. It all depends on the types of terrain you ride and what type of rider you are. As you said for motocross (aka high performance off-road riding) switching to 16/19 motocross tires is the best solution. You can see all the tire weights here for a ton more info: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights
Tires choices for stock 19” are mediocre at best, never intended to drive a rear tire. 16” wheel and tire will also give you better low end torque, which depending on terrain and riding style will give better range and keep temps cooler. Taller sidewall gives much better cushion on hard rocky impacts, while keeping weight low. This video shows how running a 16 directly correlates to being a improvement over stock 19”, hence why 18 rear is rarely mentioned if at all, so not sure where you got that impression. 🤷🏻♂️
@@northsandiegorc4248 aren’t these 16” tires for motocross. Yet I imagine these bikes are being driven more in an off-road/enduro type use. Which motocross tires are not the best for. That’s why tire companies have them in different categories. Now I’m not much into motocross, but don’t motocross bikes generally come with 19” rears. Are those tires too wide for the sur ron rims? And shinko sr241 are definitely made to be tractive tires
But really, the stock 19-inch wheel is more fun, faster and more responsive than the 16-inch wheel in the back. That's more for a less technical Reca ride, the wheel is smaller and somewhat heavy, even if the difference per electrode is maybe 5%, but it's not as fun as the factory 19 inch wheel. The Chinese knew what they did well, to know that these electric bikes need to be lighter and not burden the loss of weight... It does not benefit them. If someone wants to have a fast fun bike, it is best to leave it in its original condition on the original tires, because they are the best in terms of performance and level of fun. Of course, when it comes to Traction, the 16-inch wheels at the back are the winners, but at the same time, the efficiency of the fun of acceleration is lost. Of course, someone may prefer a smaller, more technical ride on a 16-inch wheel, which had much better traction than 19-inch wheels. But it's not fun nimble like 19 inch wheels
We have 1000's of customers who would tell you that 16/19 is the perfect setup for Surron, but we respect those that want the lightest possible tire. For some people this is their preferred setup which is why we have spent $1000's buying every tire we can get our hands on to weigh them and publish on our website so that people can make informed decisions with tire upgrades and understand the impact. People LOVE our 16/19 wheels for the following reasons: no more flat tires, running tires that were actually designed for the rear of a motorcycle, massive tire selection including gummy, massive increase in traction and handling, great traction and float in sand, ability to run low PSI for max traction, etc. You get all of this with < 2% penalty in power. In our opinion the Light Bee is best with 16/19. Check out this page to see all of the tires we have weighed: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights
Love these videos as they are always so informative! 16/19 is the way!!
Currently running a 16inch rear and it's the bomb! I didn't even think about the Suspension Lift linkage.
Planning on running a 19inch front and .75inch linkage as soon as they are available in the colors I like.
Thank you so much for all of your hard work!
Great video and makes the selection process much easier.
19/16 is def my fav set up. light and nible and the confidence that a tire isnt gona fail me with real mx tires.
100% agree.
Do you change something to have 19/16 ? Of it fit perfectly whithout change rear sprocket ? Because i dont want to lose power
@@levieto you will loose power the 16 is more weight
@@ColoradoAdventureClub so i guess i need to change steel rear sprocket
@@levieto Obviously it does require a whole new wheel to fit a 16" tire. If you run your stock 48t sprocket you will loose a tiny amount of acceleration (-3%) based on our acceleration tests, it's not enough that you can feel it. If you put a 54t sprocket on the bike which is what we run due to all our mountain climbing terrain you will be slightly faster than stock. Check out our acceleration data here: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/acceleration-testing
Thank you very much for all the effort you guys put into making these very informative tutorials! Cheers from 🇩🇪
I have that setup the bike flows nice . You get great breaking with 16/19 but stability increases you can jump and manual the bike it brings the performance up
It's our favorite setup for a reason! Glad to hear you love it as well.
Thank you for all the information in these 2 videos. It seems to me that the folks who might benefit the most from a 16/19 setup are those who ride off-road. I ride mostly on the road, and a little off road (80% road, 20% trails) so I think the Shinko 241's 19/19 might suit me best, but I'm always open to suggestions. Take care!
100% agree :)
Great info on all these videos. Answers a lot of questions that go around. When is the drop for part 3?
Working on it! It's stuck in editing while we try to get everyones wheels built and shipped :)
@@ChargedCycleWorks Right on…. Some happy customers to come.
That STANDARD H hat looks good!! :D
i have a stock talaria and im thinking about getting a 16 inch in the rear, how does this affect the range and power since it is much heavyer ?
Hi guys! Love your videos, learnt a lot from them. What kind of rim and tyre do you have for the back 16"wheel?( Rim and tyre dimensions) The tiser for the linkage how long is it in cm?
Thanks a lot! Expecting more videos
Is that set up also good for the city?
Gentlemen, your videos are a fantastic resource for those of us just getting into this type of riding. Question… Do your recommendations for the tire set-ups for the Surron (especially the 16”/19”) generally hold true for the Talaria R and the Pro SS?
Thank you.
Yes they do! With many are tires releasing recently stay tuned for a 2024 Tire Update guide
Love your guys videos! I really appreciate the vast knowledge you guys have. I’m planning my build now, and am planning on going with the 16/19 set up. What tooth sprocket to do you guys suggest for the 16 on a stock bypassed battery?
Just about all of our 16" riders run 54t...we really like it. But of course everyones terrain and riding speeds vary so some prefer other sizes.
Y’all were in my backyard! 🏁🏜️
New to ebike, came here looking for the down low and found it, thanks for the great content!
Love the video! But i dont get it why these rims for Surron are so extreme expensive compared to other bikes? I can buy excel wheels for MX for half the price same size.
What makes them so much different from MX wheels? yamaha... honda zuuk..
Economies of scale. We only make a few hundred hubs at a time and they are made in America. When moto companies build hubs they are building 1000's of them in Taiwan/China and paying a fraction of the price we are. Same thing with the spokes. As the surron market grows we can hopefully scale things and drive costs down.
I'll be ordering the talaria sting r mx4 2023 here in a couple months I want to try 16/19 on it with supermoto wheel and tire and mx wheel and tire setup do yall do it for the taparia also with New rims and tires and ship them out? Or is it sur-ron bikes only? I freaking love the way you got your setup
Hi yes, we are the only company that has made a Talaria specific hub (no adapters) and we have both 18/21 and 16/19 available. 16/19 is amazing for off-road, but for SM we prefer 17" for the better tire selection. We have some new SM products launching soon that are going to blow peoples minds....wait until you see it! :)
Great video!! What trail system are you guys riding in the video?
This was taken down near Sand Hollow St George Utah, our winter escape when it's cold and unrideable up north.
Hoping for an answer here😂 the 3.0x16 shinko 241 is this a similar size to the factory cst 19 would love to see a comparrison
no it's really tiny, the diameter is much smaller than a 2.75x19 241
Will 100/90-19 mx33 tires fit on a stock rim for the light bee x? Please answer
No, that tire is too large sadly. you could do a 70/100-19
Hi, will I lose some power on stock bike with 16 inch rim? Or its fine?
The difference is nearly imperceptible and this is why 16/19 is our favorite for the light bee. Massive traction and handling improvements with almost no impact in acceleration and range. Check out our acceleration chart at the bottom of this page, a 16/19 with a 54t sprocket and upgraded chain was faster than the stock Surron Benchmark: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/acceleration-testing
what spokes size should i use on the 16inch rim? thanks!
All these videos for tires are related to off-road riding, what do you suggest setup should be for 70 percent road, 30 percent offroad
The Shinko 241 and 244 are our most popular on the road.
7:45 so where the suspension
can yall build me a 14/17 gold exel buchanon spoke warp 9 hubs ?
Excel does not make 14/17 in gold, but we can build 16/19 in Gold. 14/17 is only available in Black and we have them here: chargedcycleworks.com/products/surron-little-ripper-package-for-kids
Great video, but the idea that mountain bike rims and tires won't work just doesn't make sense. There are carbon mountain bike rims that are far stronger than the stock Surron rims. And the forces pro downhill riders put on their 40lb+ rigs are far greater than the average rider puts on their Surron. This seems like one of those myths that keeps getting repeated without any evidence to support it.
Here's another way to look at it. If there are bike rims that can support a 220lb rider going downhill at 40-50 mph (and there are) then they can just as easily support a 150lb rider on a Surron. Same weight and forces. I don't see how adding 5lb+ of additional unsprung weight to each wheel, sacrificing acceleration, maneuverability and battery life is worth the tradeoff for questionable strength and durability benefits.
A surron with an average adult rider is MORE THAN 300lbs and we are capable of riding at motorcycle speeds on all terrain not just downhill. In our years of racing motocross we have seen what happens when a front wheel comes apart and it always ends in a trip to the ER with serious injuries. If you are a slow casual rider on a stock surron, you might be OK with MTB wheels and tires, but the second you ride hard and modify your surron to go far beyond the speeds of a stock bike, a MTB wheel and paper thin tire is not going to be safe. Don't trust us? No problem, I encourage you to reach out to ANY MTB wheel manufacturer and ask them if they recommend running their strongest wheel on a Surron...we already know what they will tell you.
@@ChargedCycleWorks And what about the handlebar, fork, rear suspension and brakes? By your logic, since these were all designed for mountain bikes and wouldn't be approved by the manufacturer, they're not safe for a Surron. Is a brake failure at 50 mph really better than putting a taco in your wheel by casing a jump? What about blowing up your fork or snapping your handlebar?
If you're smashing huge motocross jumps at full speed then it makes sense to beef up your bike as much as possible. But in that case, why are you riding a Surron and not a dirt bike? Of course, the average rider isn't doing that; they're riding trails and hitting a few small jumps and drops.
The Stealth b-52 (among others) has front and rear mountain bike wheels/tires, weighs more than a stock Surron and goes just as fast. So you're not just debating me here, but a company that's been around for years with a ton of positive reviews. You'd think if people were blowing up these wheels that we'd have heard about it by now.
I think dismissing mountain bike wheels and tires outright for the average rider is disingenuous, unless you're going to do the same for all the other mountain bike parts on the Surron. Is it possible there's a bit of bias on your end given you've built your company around custom motorcycle wheels?
What’s the difference between stock 19 inch rims and say sm pro 19 inch rims
Are sm’s rims larger in thickness and wider ?
As much as we try to be experts on everything we sell, test, and ride, we don’t keep up with other vendor’s products. You’ll have to check their website.
Hi, i have a question regarding the 16 inch wheel. If i run my Surron on the standart X controller with the standart battery, how bad is the loss of power. Someone on Facebook didnt recommend me to upgrade to 16 inch if i dont have a power upgrade and now i dont know if it's worth my money?
All of our bikes on stock power use the 16/19 setup. It makes the platforms geometry and stability way better. with a 54t sprocket the power loss isn't very noticeable. We highly recommend it and are sure you'd be happy after the purchase
Do I need a 0.75 linkage for my talaria, if go 16/19?
NO! In fact the Talaria needs the opposite out of the box, the geometry is so stink bug it feels like you are riding on the front tire. This is why we introduced our Stage2 package with a 21" front tire to raise the front end up and get the bike feeling more stable and confidence inspiring. 16/19 is not yet available, we are working on a brand new hub for Talaria, unfortunately it's wider than a surron hub. chargedcycleworks.com/collections/talaria-sting/products/stage2-package-for-talaria
would all of these work with a talaria sting r as well?
Yes, the exact same advice is applied to the Talaria. They do use a different rear hub, so be sure to purchase a Talaria specific wheel not a Surron. chargedcycleworks.com/collections/wheels-1?sort_by=manual&filter.p.tag=talaria
7:14 but is it writen on the product page that the hub isn't centered to the rim ? I really don't wont any offset, I don't like how it affect handling
If you want to run a tire larger than 3.00" you have no choice but to offset the wheel away from the chain. Off road where the bike is constantly being disturbed by the terrain you cannot tell any difference. The handling of a 16/19 Surron with a 90/100-16 tire and an offset wheel to accomodate the wider tire is night and day better than an OEM wheelset. It's the single biggest improvement you can make to the Surron or Talaria.
@@ChargedCycleWorks I love my 16 inch now, had to cut knobys, I don't want to dish the rim as flicking to the left feels strange with dished rim imo, I can feel it. Do you know of a 16 inch narrow tire who would fit without cutting or dishing ? I had a 90/100-19 vee ruber who fitted without dishing or cutting the knobs, I need a tire who's knobs don't stick out to much on the sides. Thanks for your work on testing all those tires + weighting wheels etc, so helpfull .
@@surronzak8154 Kenda 90/100-16 58M TT K760 TRAK MASTER
fits without trimming or dishing
for the 16in rear wheel you say you dont use a rim lock? im debating using one or not i have a stock power bike so im not sure i need the rim lock?
The only time a rim lock is beneficial on Surron is when you get a flat tire and you need to ride the bike out of the backcountry. It will prevent the tire from falling off the rim and allow you to ride farther over rough terrain with a flat tire.
@@ChargedCycleWorks thankyou for the quick response. mi dont want to throw off the balance of mty wheels if i dont need to
The rim lock is fitted to stop the tyre spinning on the rim and ripping the valve out of the innertube. This is more likely to happen when running low tyre pressures.
@@anthonytilling3442 I don't run low tire pressure haven't been using my rim lock even tho I have one it was easier to put my tire on without it. What about when I go 72v and bump it up to like 12kw or 15kw I don't usually run low tire pressure I like some air in my tires but with the added power will I need the rim lock I wonder. Bout to hey a battery soon that's why I ask. That comment was a year ago lol bikes still running hard. Although the motors noisy I think that's it. Would've been nice to get the new R without as much cogging it's got the ipm motor
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY WHEELS AND TIRES IN STOCK?
Have you gone to there website?
Lol, yes. Check out the site. If the color or size you want is out of stock, use the notification feature. We put more wheels into inventory every week.
I’m still not sure. Besides better puncture resistance and more choice, how is this an upgrade to a 19” rear? You seem to be comparing this more against an 18 inch real wheel. What’s wrong with 19”. There are some good tires at this size and being narrow, they’re very flickable. Thanks
The 16" rear is superior in every way, ask anybody who has ridden our 16/19 setup they will back up this statement. You get the massive tire selection from the 90/100-16 motocross racing tires in every tread design and compound you can imagine. You get REAL REAR TIRES that were actually designed to drive the bike forward rather than running front tires on your rear factory 19" rim which were never designed to be used in the rear. If you look at any lap time video we have ever done the 16/19 setup ALWAYS wins. The minimal weight gain of the 16" tires is far exceeded in performance gains and flat protection. If you ever get a chance to ride one you should. Just recently a customer of ours who purchased a 16" from us a year ago, sold the wheel to his friend to go back to OEM 19" rear wheel thinking it would be faster (because it's lighter), after just one ride on his OEM 19" rear he ordered another 16" wheel from us and told us how big of a mistake it was trying to go back to a 19" in the rear. Plenty of people other than us talking about this setup in the various Surron groups, you don't have to take our word for it. :)
@@ChargedCycleWorks that......seemed defensive. I was just asking for more information. For motocross type riding I could see the benefit. But something like a sr241 is universal front or rear and works very well. I dont have a surron but those tires work great on other bikes
@@victorvannatter312 the 241 trials tires are great for those who like to ride a lot of hard surfaces, very popular tire, almost everyone riding on street runs them, also really good in place like Moab. For those wanting high off-road performance beyond hard surfaces, not so great. It all depends on the types of terrain you ride and what type of rider you are. As you said for motocross (aka high performance off-road riding) switching to 16/19 motocross tires is the best solution. You can see all the tire weights here for a ton more info: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights
Tires choices for stock 19” are mediocre at best, never intended to drive a rear tire. 16” wheel and tire will also give you better low end torque, which depending on terrain and riding style will give better range and keep temps cooler. Taller sidewall gives much better cushion on hard rocky impacts, while keeping weight low. This video shows how running a 16 directly correlates to being a improvement over stock 19”, hence why 18 rear is rarely mentioned if at all, so not sure where you got that impression. 🤷🏻♂️
@@northsandiegorc4248
aren’t these 16” tires for motocross. Yet I imagine these bikes are being driven more in an off-road/enduro type use. Which motocross tires are not the best for. That’s why tire companies have them in different categories.
Now I’m not much into motocross, but don’t motocross bikes generally come with 19” rears. Are those tires too wide for the sur ron rims?
And shinko sr241 are definitely made to be tractive tires
But really, the stock 19-inch wheel is more fun, faster and more responsive than the 16-inch wheel in the back. That's more for a less technical Reca ride, the wheel is smaller and somewhat heavy, even if the difference per electrode is maybe 5%, but it's not as fun as the factory 19 inch wheel. The Chinese knew what they did well, to know that these electric bikes need to be lighter and not burden the loss of weight... It does not benefit them. If someone wants to have a fast fun bike, it is best to leave it in its original condition on the original tires, because they are the best in terms of performance and level of fun. Of course, when it comes to Traction, the 16-inch wheels at the back are the winners, but at the same time, the efficiency of the fun of acceleration is lost. Of course, someone may prefer a smaller, more technical ride on a 16-inch wheel, which had much better traction than 19-inch wheels. But it's not fun nimble like 19 inch wheels
We have 1000's of customers who would tell you that 16/19 is the perfect setup for Surron, but we respect those that want the lightest possible tire. For some people this is their preferred setup which is why we have spent $1000's buying every tire we can get our hands on to weigh them and publish on our website so that people can make informed decisions with tire upgrades and understand the impact. People LOVE our 16/19 wheels for the following reasons: no more flat tires, running tires that were actually designed for the rear of a motorcycle, massive tire selection including gummy, massive increase in traction and handling, great traction and float in sand, ability to run low PSI for max traction, etc. You get all of this with < 2% penalty in power. In our opinion the Light Bee is best with 16/19. Check out this page to see all of the tires we have weighed: chargedcycleworks.com/pages/sur-ron-tire-upgrade-specs-and-weights