One argument I have for Acheron being the strongest figure we’ve met is the all-encompassing nature of the Nihility. The very reason that the Dreammaster wanted Acheron out of Penacony is because the Nihility is a path that represents the inescapable end that is nonexistence, allowing her to even break the boundaries the Family set up within the Dreamscape. And as you’ve said yourself, Acheron is an entirely unrestricted Emanator, allowing her full access to her path that she channels through Naught (maybe that’s what allows her to circumvent the overwhelming nature of the blessing?) The Nihility is a path which’s influence, though usually absent, is universal - there’s simply no escaping it
and she will always be the strongest emanator because no other emanator is as unrestricted as her since their respective aeons wouldn't allow such, except IX which is indifferent and doens't care about acheron drawing power from him not only that but no other path or being can hold her back, Ena's dream? slashed. preservation? slashed. no matter what you do she will never be affected
She infact cannot solo Ena's dream as she needed outside help to do that. That is why Boothill summoned the galaxy rangers or why Dan heng tries to summon the Xianzhou again. I don't know why people simply ignore this.
@@Ultimate0PhantasmShe infact can solo that dream, and chose not to do so because Acheron is against needless death; which, Acheron using her blade brings. It cuts off the paths connection, and carves through reality, and brings non-existence. Massive underplay on Acheron’s strength. Also Acheron was constantly eroding the dream by simply being around. If she can slice planets and the shadow of IX, she’s definitely destroying Ena’s deeam
Zephyro is definitely blessed by Idrilla. Since she’s the aeon of beauty and she finds beauty in everything, it’d make sense if she blessed him because he finds beauty in destruction/death. I think idrilla’s emanators are basically those who find beauty/value in things no matter the consensus norm
I just find out that Enigmata is not the Aeon of lies and deception and misinformation, it’s more like an Aeon of riddles, puzzles and secrets. Obscurity, hidden and incomprehensible. The Path of Enigmata encourages its followers to seek out mysteries, to question everything, and to find meaning in the unknowable. So I don’t get it, why does the community kept referring to Enigmata as if it’s simply the Aeon of lies and misinformation? I don’t get it. That trait would more be in line with Aha if anything.
@@Ben-v6z3s Bruh these games are meant to go one for a long time and so the story I don't know if u have played Genshin but a character named Kaeya who is a 4 star appeared at the beginning of GI and only 3 years later did we come to know how significant he is to a major plot point.
It make sense that Abundance would probably be more dangerous if their feats got revealed more. “Underneath her, a strange tree with a thousand faces spoke to her, and to everyone. THEY waved THEIR branches, penetrating deep into the earth.”- Xueyi character story 3 Xueyi was in Shuhu illusion, but it is still the Aeon pronoun. Also, this emanator is both sadistic and masochistic. "Each time you overcome death, I am beyond overjoyed. Like them, your flesh and blood are insignificant, but your pain is something that pleases me." The branches laughed shrilly, letting each head speak one word on THEIR behalf, stringing together a sentence, "Teng Xiao, what do you plan on using to kill me this time? I'm curious."
9:55 Correct me if im wrong but wasnt it heavily implied if not outright said that acheron destroyed Izumo and Takamagahara? Cause in her myriad celestia trailer she slashed her "naught" blade and destroyed "the pitch black sun" and in the relic lore for the izumo set it says something along the lines of both planets fading away in 1 slash. I dont remember the exact words so i could be wrong
@FrigidMoonlight let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he only thought the cut cleaved the screen and did not carve a scar into the sky that remained and we had to do an actual event to fix. (The clockie movie event)
@@kinghappy013Izumo was actually destroyed by Acheron, along with Takamagahara and the Shadow of IX. The destruction of Izumo is mentioned in her Character Story 2, where it’s stated that her “homeland, once saved, was erased by her hands..”. And, in the Izumo’s planar set, where it’s depicted as being sliced in half. Also to add to that, her Myriad Celestial trailer is called “…A Cleave across a transient world”. Her slash erased any trace of Izumo, Takamagahara, or the Black Sun having been present. If the Black Sun swallowed Izumo and Takamagahara, it’d still be present. But in its place is ‘nothing,’ and just the Enigmata. So yeah, Acheron’s slash destroyed everything
I don't think IX give a fuck how many Path power Acheron had access to since well, IX probably didn't know or didn't even wanna know if THEY even had Emanators. Acheron has the potential to literally had the entire Path of Nihility's power at her disposal. But yeah, using that entire shit gonna turn her into a vegetable Self-Annihilator.
But if acheron use the full power of the path does that mean IX power will gone and got absorb by acheron? Or does the aeon power will still be intact?
Acheron can’t get all the power of nihility She can’t contain that much power Even without limit from the aeon, she still have limit of herself, so she only can get as much as power her body and conscious can contain a child can't lift a hammer so did acheron can't get and use entire power of the path
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 i mean if she only use her body with out any help of a equipment yeah. Also we dont know that are acheron still training or not if she stop training after being an emenator ofc she will stuck at what her level now but if she actualy keep training and use the help of equipment i guess she will be strongest?
What if finality is actually weaker. Hear me out for a moment why i said this? Because finality means the end. But does the end can be accelerated? I don't think so because it will cause an imbalance of power between the emenatorsalso equilibrium does not mean stronger then any path or aeons equilibrium just me that they are balanced when other so when equilibrium sees the balance is broken the aeons will make a "balanced emenator" to counter the imbalanced that is happening
10:27 I'd argue that Acheron would PROBABLY servive since she has been the closest to IX than anyone in hsr (or at least IX's mini versions) and if any science nerd are here they know how powerful black wholes are. So I feel like she could survive what ever The Herta thoughts at her. And before anyone calls me a simp I'm a straight female
If black holes are so powerful.How come people say welt is weaker than everybody? Welt can summon a black hole that works like the real thing.His black holes can even destroy higher and lower dimensions with ease.And the star of eden can work fully even with kiana absorbing his energy Synthetic black hole doesn’t mean anything since it works like a real black hole via his ult where enemies got frozen in time with destruction of nearby debry floating and welt can slash it.If that wasn’t enough.SoE Zeroth power is creating an actual quasi black hole And yet people call him weak… he is definitely top 3 strongest playable just from SoE,war experience and intelligence alone.We haven’t even factored him able to use Reason’s power which he could replicate anything as long as he understands it Idc about welt vs acheron.But the fact people say he is weak is just weird no? Also we do not know if anybody else has gotten closer to IX.Chances is there are.Because there’s literally countless people in the universe.Acheron is definitely not the closest to IX.There’s a reason why self annihilator existed in the archives before we even met acheron.Cause other people have become that before her
@@Mikaela_77the thing about the imaginary inpulsion bomb is that it literally uses imaginary energy.Which is the source of Aeon’s power and acherons.So acherpn definitely isn’t surviving that bomb
She‘s strong and her feats are incredible as well as her power to manipulate all probability in the Knowable Domain. She killed many strong members of the Genius Society such as Genius Society #27, Rubert I, who started the Mechanical Emperor‘s War and is counted as a threat to the whole galaxy while also being partially the reason for Nanook‘s ascension to aeonhood. However, she acts more like an assassin from what we know about her and we don’t know her ability to fully weight her strength. All we know about her feats is that she kills other members of the Genius Society for a reason we do not know yet. In Conclusion, from what we heard about her it‘s still just to vague and she might just be a perfect assassin in taking out single entities but probably not even a threat on planetary level.
@@Yin184 we do know why she kills them. Its the reason she almost killed us during unknowable domain story. It's to prevent the expansion of the circle of knowledge (or something akin to that) since its believed (or known) every expansion brings the whole universe closer to the finality. That's the reason she damn near killed the whole simulated universe team, if they succeeded they'd have went outside those boundaries and would have expanded it probably.
Her feats are just killing Genius Society members that aren't even Emanators to begin with. Her ability looks OP on paper but not as broken as Emanators of every paths has for now.
I feel like we’re underestimating Diamond, considering we’ve seen through Ave just what a small piece of his shared power can do. I think he’s a bigger powerhouse than the video is giving credit for.
Agreed, and that wasn't even aventurine at full power. Like as far as we know he could just have too much power thats why he divided his powers from the Qlipoth to 10 cause he doesn't need it lmaoo
10:03 Constance was still alive...she was on that phone thing with black swan. If iirc Acheron only killed the duke so the other characters are still alive lol.
Random question. Can you do a lore video about amphoreus? Because it's really giving off Elysian relm vibes and when I searched up the meaning a jar with 2 handles. So im thinking, could it mean more than one way of access? I'm not sure tbh but I would hope you could make a lore video on it
In reality Nihility is more powerful than destruction. A black hole swallows destruction, labels it meaningless, and never even cared or intended to do it. Nihility eats MEANING ITSELF.... one might say it's the inevitable aeon under which all other 'domains' are likely to fall into if it continues to grow... It's essentially the 'entropy' of the Star Rail universe.
rember phantiliya even said that we where lucky to have run into her and not zephyro(by name). kinda shows that even an emanator of the same path have fear for this beast.
There's an unknown Lord Ravager that destroyed over 100+ planets in several Amber Eras apparently through inciting internal conflicts. This one is most likely Phantylia, since her destruction philosophy is internal destruction, just like the conflict she made in the Luofu.
I don't know if you include also the past emanators but if so than I think at most the very known emanator of Propagation Skaracabaz the Starcrusher Swarm King , and the reason is that the emanators huge power comes from the path of their aeon , and the closer the aeon see his emanators the stronger their power becomes and if they see them as extension of themselves than they can have the full power of the path , we don't know if this means the same power as the aeon or not , but at least it's the closest to the aeon and for Skaracabaz he is a part of the Propagation aeon and this makes him having the full path power and maybe the same power as his aeon , and is called to be able to shoot death ray that fragment celestial bodies , we don't know exactly what is this celestial bodies but according to wiki it includes galaxies , so at least at the very very least he can be number 2 for him being called Starcrusher and in the video the 2nd was sun devourer
Low key I think that we are kind of downplaying phantyilia the undying cause she has voice lines about having strength of the stars and also has move that shatters the planet on us and plus she is called undying soo she is like immortal and other than that we weren't even able to defeat her. We defeated her stolen body and we did that because she did something Foolish, I would give her alteast a planetary scalling
There's an unknown Lord Ravager that destroyed over 100+ planets in several Amber Eras apparently through inciting internal conflicts. This one is most likely Phantylia, since her destruction philosophy is internal destruction, just like the conflict she made in the Luofu.
11:21 - the worst thing about this vote was, that Aventurine WANTS TO DIE (he gambles his life every time - he needs to or not - for this reason). I bet Diamond voted for Aventurine's exemption only so he could screw with him
Regardless of the fact that XIPE's harmonic strings are cheating or not, I'd put Aelenev (the head of harmonic strings also known as THE COMMANDER OF ETHERNAL CENTURION) as the current strongest KNOWN emanator The power unify everyone under the light of harmony is terrifying since if the family defeats another faction in war , they completely assimilated the other faction into themselves and become even stronger that alone and the fact that neither the IPC or anti matter legion really messes with the family (since they have the full support of their Aeon and emanators) is enough reason for me to rank them as the strongest
I have a question !! Is it possible for an eon to give their power to an object or condense their power to create one like a herrscher core ? Like an " emanator object/item " This could clarify the power of Jing Yuan and general before him for exemple The best exemple i have in mind to illustrated what i mean is the tree planted by Yaoshi
As the other guy says gifts do exist and their actually pretty prevalent in story but they don’t make you emanators because to be an emanator you have to be directly blessed by the aeon itself since your drawing their power directly.
@MeghGireesh i know but this is my question Like i doubt that every general in the luofu was an emanator but if its an object blassed by an eon like a blade it make sens
@diabolike8055 If an aeon creates an item with their power, that's a gift/blessing. The tree planted by yaoshi was a blessing given to the people of the xianzhou, and btw it's completely different from an "object to make someone an emanator" so it's not a good example of that either. But anyways, what you're thinking of is impossible.
I know the harmony is their own emanators but it would be interesting if you atleast covered Dominicus and Aelenev specially Aelenev which literally scared the Antimatter legion from touching Penacony
Can Acheron even die? Since it seems like she can freely reach the "River Acheron" (where the dead who have become Sin Thirsters gather) to try to guide the spirits back to existence, as well as the Nihility's Edge (the black hole horizon where Aventurine went), the latter of which is apparently described as a place no one can return from by an in-game description ;o Oh right there's also the Skaracabaz, emanator of Propagation. While Ruan Mei's synthetic version only existed for a certain duration of time, the original was probably a galactic threat just like the Swarm in general (though not universal threat like Tayzzyronth itself, which required divine intervention from the aeons THEMSELVES lol)
@@Mikaela_77 I get where you’re coming from but the Stellaron inside the MC is a completely separate entity, the Stellaron inside the MC is used to power (kinda like without electricity, robots cannot function properly.) the MC to keep us alive and breathing. Remember when we first started playing the game? Herta said herself that she was trying to create something that could house a Stellaron without it exploding, then she was shocked when she learned Elio figured out how to do it before her. Herta created the MC but Elio figured out how to put the Stellaron inside us without the Stellaron exploding. Elio sent Silver Wolf and Kafka to infiltrate Herta’s space station, Silver Wolf was hacking Herta’s control systems and hacked reality to create a shortcut towards the MC, THEN Kafka was the one who put the Stellaron inside us. So in other words, the MC would be the Emanator of Trailblaze NOT Destruction. I hope I made it clear. 😌
what about the arbitradors (emanators of The Equilibrium)? if I remember correctly, they are viewed as gods in some cases and they make a huge impact by creating equality all across the universe.
IX should not be underestimated because the concept they embody is literally the ending of everything. Just think of you watching movie on Netflix you may reverse or replay the movie, but it will still eventually end even if you stop the movie the moment it was played again it will still end no matter what's the circumstances nihility can't be easily affected by other path because how can you something when there's nothing? Anyways DYK why IX is portrayed as a Blackhole? Because when the universe experiences a domination of blackhole the blackhole would eventually evaporate though hawking radiation and if all the blackhole evaporate after dominating the entire universe, the universe would experience a heat death or when the universe will evolve to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and will therefore be unable to sustain processes that increase entropy.
1:43 Polka > Any Nanook emanator Rubert II(He destroyed galaxies with just a swing of his sword.) > Zephyro(So far the most powerful known emanator of Destruction. It took him 1 AE to destroy the galaxy.) 4:40 Rubert I had many robots with such power. Nothing special 9:19 IT itself is a timeline 9:35 ALL self annihilators are emanators of Nihility
Hello, Nova great that you got into powersclaing a bit but I am just gonna be clarfying soem things about the emnators, though i dont like powerscaling them since thier featar are mostly statements (note: I wont be taking hyperboles for statemnet and neither am I using any kind of dimension teiring): 1: The galaxy feat that you showed us is actaully very dubious as the timeframe fo the dsestruction was never given, it may fo have happened through an whole amber era or more for all we know. 2: All the emnators should sit comfortably above planeatry at the minimum considering that jade with a cornerstone made a planet into a jewerly, and again that is a mere fraction of diamnods power, along with emnators like the swarm emnator and Phantalia having feats of destroying stars. 3. Acheron in truth is the one with actualy the most scale as again as an emantor she should scale to the other like the swarm emantor , along with haveing actual speed sxaling and just a lot of hax in general. She scales to welt, who is relativistic to light speed and has enough hax resistance for days, such as resiting all other paths hax, dimension hopping, resistnace to divination and realoty erasure, time stop and most impormatntly being able to send others to IX where thier past, present and future are erased. By all means she the character with most powerfull abloties we have seen till noe. 4: By all means IX is the strongest Aeon considering that he is staed to be half of all creation itslef and being the aeon who is a contradiction.
>IX is the strongest Aeon > The elegy outright stated that even IX along with other Aeons that they are not safe from Terminus with the only exceptions being Oroboros, HooH, and Nous. HooH is hype to be the strongest Aeon and Nous whose mere copies(the scepter) can conquer the universe.
Finality is the strongest.They exist before and after the universe was created.Finality exists before all other concepts.And Nihility is a concept and exists because the universe exists
Bruh, we need Equilibrium and Finality screen time so badly, cuz everyone thinks IX is the strongest Aeon just cuz they are the strongest that ain't locked behind obscure text. Finality has statemant of being able to destroy IX. And if IX is being glazed for emcompassing half the universe, what about HooH who emcompasses the equilibrium of ALL things, being able to cut concepts in half, and being likely the reasson the universe even is separated in our reality and non existence. HooH is the equilibrium of ALL things, whereas IX only emcompasses non existence
@@APEPNARWHALSERPENTIx one of the upper tiers but definitely not strongest one, ppl who say that know nothing and probably because they've been reading from others with the same echochamber
@@sinhadesx Yeah. Hope that Terminus or HooH get more spotlight soon, cuz the reasson IX is so highly regarded as the strongest is probably due to having much more screen time than it's stronger companions
9:48 ok i have ONE argument against that. i think the finality is stronger than nihility. maybe elegy was just glazing, but she said that terminus could terminate nihility (and other paths like destruction) however I don't know how an emanator of finality would work, because terminus moves backwards in time
Maybe in the future Terminus alredy gave his power to some people so that they can fufill the finality of the universe, so in the future we could see someone who received THEIR glaze from when they were travelling back in time(god it's so confusing talking about order of events when Terminus is involved)
@APEPNARWHALSERPENT yeah, maybe like elio, since we know that elio follows finality. not sure if hes an emanator, but i think he probably is hell, maybe another stellaron hunter is an emanator of finality too
unfortunately we still know too little in general, but i think that the generals are not emantars. Imo the xianzhou works like the stonehearts of the ipc where the marshall is the emanator and she shares her powers with the generals, but after patch 2.5 i think that feixiao may also be an emanator of the hunt since lan looked at her and she embodies the hunt. As for the strongest paths, if these three are what i think they are, imo the nihility, the equilibrium and the finality are the strongest. For example there are wild theories about ix being the abyss around the universe and many more (ix may be represented as a black hole, but it's stated many times that ix is shapeless, so the black hole thing may be only a rapresentation and not his real self)
Only reason i can see being made for Acheron to justify her as probably the strongest Emanator in power alone is just the simple fact she has complete unrestricted access to IX's powers in its entirety. I do think there is a limit what with Acheron being a Self Annihilator, perhaps she can be a universal or even multiversal threat but using all that power could probably destroy her who knows. Id really love to see what an Emanator of Elation is capable of though!
Her limit is probably how deep she can tap on Nihility which according to a Doctor of Chaos in her character story, she is in very deep already. So Acheron can be so strong depending on her opponent which she doesn't even let us see in the whole Penacony story.
After playing simulated universe and all it's content I'd rank the herta 1. She just doesn't try. Give her evil intentions as some others and she's like almighty. Zero threat level but max power
Wasn't Rubert I a Genius Society member? Thus he was an emanator of Erudition. I'm unsure if Rubert II was an emanator purely because he was the "incarnation"(?) of Rubert II and had to use the Iron Throne to use his power. I definitely think I'm remembering the Iron Throne part wrong but I know Rubert I was a Genius Society member. Edit: Also Polka Kakamond exists. I needn't say more. All geniuses live in fear of the Lord of Silence.
She's not, she's just a memokeeper All emanators of the remembrance are memokeepers but not all memokeepers are emanators. I'm also very sure that black swan said herself that an emanator of the remembrance could create the entire penacony dreamscape if they wanted to And black swan was never shown to be that strong
How is Acheron toast she survived blowing up two planets after she slashed the black hole that took the place of a sun in their galaxy. I honestly think having the power to blow up a black hole is probably enough to destroy the beam and the machine Herta makes also i think Nilhility trumps Destruction bc it's inescapable and non existent how do you destroy something that doesn't exist and isn't tangible which will probably be Acherons realization by the end of her story in HSR overall.
a black hole will take in every and all energy / matter it’s chucked at so even a galactic nuke wouldn’t be able to destroy. Acheron has unlimited access to the nihility soo…
5:22 this is completely wrong btw. Base Dan heng is already star level minimum and phantylia>>>>>base Dan heng. In general, as all Emanators are stronger than pathstriders (there are some notable exceptions) most if not all emanators (atleast the mid tiers and higher) will have to be minimum star level due to scaling from base dan heng who is a path strider and not even an emanator
I have a personal theory that: 1.the less emanators a path has the stronger they are 2.the stronger/broader the path the stronger the emanator So if both THE HUNT and DESTRUCTION have 7 then a lord ravager should edge out an arbiter general since destruction as a concept is stronger than the hunt Then we have something like HARMONY that only has 4 and harmony itself is a really strong and broad path (then you realize, it also has the full power of the ORDER included/absorbed into itself) so I'd put the harmonic strings above other emanators If we go by that in mind then I'd definitely put Aelenev as the top emanator for now (ssimulatng an entire anti matter legion force into the family in an instant and scaring them so much that they don't target the family or penacony anymore) The power of Harmony is terrifying and the family always assimilates whoever their enemy is into itself, making them even stronger after they participate in a war Not to mention Sunday almost put the entire cosmos into a collective dream, only utilizing a none combat focused emanator of Harmony like Dominicus
Maybe, but the Arbiter-Generals were said to be on par with Lord Ravagers. Maybe Lan gives the Arbiter-Generals and Spiritus more unrestricted access to the Path's power than Nanook gives the Lord Ravagers.
The thing is, not all Emanators receive the same treatment from their Aeons. Some Aeons give more oercentage if their path acess compared to others, so even if an emanator of the hunt(I think the only path canonically said to be amongst the weakest) fights someone from an broader path,, they could still be equals or the hunt be even stronger if Lan was more generous.
@@PositiviteaTheFirst think it like a child wear a armor and an adult The child not strong like an adult to fight them but they can do that with the help of armor But they can’t use the armor in long time and at everywhere while the adult can fight in long time at everywhere
Wouldn't be so sure about a 'galaxy level' Zephyro, HSR translations are notoriously bad when it comes to astronomy terms. If I remember correctly the original Chinese is more along the lines of (star) "system" rather than an entiry galaxy.
Acheron can One Shot Everyone in Amphoreus since all of things in there is basically Memory / Meme... I think MC will Kill all of them (Lord Ravager) .. Since Kafka said that MC will have to Fight Nanook...
For Acheron remember that you literally cannot die In a dream yet Acheron still almost killed aventurine with one light swing of her sword. Also remember that while the destruction well, destroys. The nihility ERASES everything, information, light, matter, and even concepts are futile in the face of absolute nothingness
It isn’t you can’t die But xipe power prevent you from dying Sunday weaken xipe power in dream realm , acheron can kill people not just because nihility power but because the protected of xipe weaken
4:37 wait what the heck is that true!? is he really herrescher of corruption cuz thats so cool and btw imagine no.1 meeting kiana of hi3 or kiana mei of ggz
There's no confirmation on that, it's just the guy pointing out how similar this emanator's motive is to Honkai and how there's massive chances they are linked since well, they are so similar while both being Honkai games
10:41 ngl I think acheron would win cuz rmb how during the aven fight where she casually just stopped time??? If you wanna go based on game mechanics then yeah ults do stop time but idt that's in lore( otherwise like yanqing could beat acheron if he pre charged his ult, which he would have cuz he gets no action :p)
Well tbh we dont really know if Zephyro destroyed the galaxy. Nor do we know if he did it by himself. They just said that he was last seen there and that the galaxy is dead basically. It could just be that he commands alot of monsters thus an army why he himself is star system level at most. But with enough armies and time.. It just depends on it. Also.. We dont really know how strong Acheron is. She attacked IXs shadow(blackhole). But with her powers as a free eminator of nihility.. She should potentially be wayy stronger than our estimation. Also... Honkai does not target advance civilisation. But rather acts when civilisations are advanced enough that they may be ready for its embrace.
Honkai itself is a higher dimension being that manifests as anything.Wouldn’t be surprised if Aeons were actually honkai (Stretch probably).Even su saw countless worlds/universes (other imaginary trees) destroyed by honkai.So the honkai in solar system is dealt with but other worlds haven’t
@FD-wl7xq lol.. No.. Honkai is basically humans calling all abnormalities caused by imaginary. It is also the energy processed by the cocoon. It is also the beings created by the cocoon. So yeah.. The honkai are not aeons. As the Aeons didnt even know of the existance of earth due to either the solar system being hidden by something.. Or its soo far away that they arnt able to see it.
@@FD-wl7xq like the cocoon itself is a higher dimensional being. We dont know how high.. But considering the Authority of finality transcends all dimensions aka.. The dimensions of the imaginary tree prop as high as it wants. It also means that it was prop made/born outside the tree.. Aka outside the universe. Bc a dimensional universe cant really make an authority that transcends dimensions. Its like trying to fit a 5cm cube in a 2cm cube.
Herta is def stronger than shuhu from what we know in su herta knows the weakness of the finality because everything is in good "balance" herta has failed to penetrate the circle of knowlege from what we know polka kakamond is the only being that has mastered the circle of knowlege and don't be surlrised if an emantor of erudtion is strong nous itself knows the negative and positive form of the equalbrium the circle of knowlege or singularity of knowlege is outsitde the space time of the universe/img tree from the accidently discovery of fire and the early interactions between time and space basically each time a perfect scholar stepped beyong the boundaries of the circle of knowledge left a significant impact on the universe. In a sense no other emantor can stop herta if she achieves the circle of knowledge
Spoiler alert but after hearing your explanation for irontomb, could he be the reason why everyone is evacuating from Herta Space Station in the final 2.7 story?
Black hole isn't certain but planets I think, problem is that planet destroying apparantly isn't a big feat, Firefly did it but people still say Jingyuan clears her, not to mention that her enhanced skill in game is reminiscent of what she did in that trailer. Her Enhanced skill animation could literally just straight up be a planet destroying attack but oh well.
@@Mikaela_77 to be fair, firefly did it only using the full power of the SAM suit, and after that she was left unconscious and the Xianzhou general are say to be similar to Nanook's emanators Not to say that jing-yuan is galaxy level (like the Zephyro freak), but he certainly beats firefly
@julianbarria9743 would you say that FF is at the same level as the current FF, No cus that's just like saying kid JY is at the same level as current JY. Added to the way the other stellaron hunters talk about "SAM", that feat could be something that she's capable of doing without major drawbacks. Not to mention that she did that thousands of not hundreds of thousands of years ago. Penacony as a whole also just doesn't allow for her to showcase that as she has no reason to go to such lengths.
@@julianbarria9743 I'm definitely not saying this for sure but what's to say that FF enhanced basic attack animation isn't literally a similar thing to what she did in that video?, in that state JY is gonna have a ton of trouble taking speed alone into account. The generals are in no way inferior to the Lord ravagers but JY still would've lost to Phantalya alone
@@KKintoru blessing doesn’t create emanator The immortal state of vidyahara and xianzhou is a blessing too , just in larger scale Aventurine blessing is special, but it doesn’t make him is emanator
The generals borrow the power of emanators they aren't emanators themselves. And instead sorry but if people are still believing Feixiao is one they would have told us she is considering they straight up did with Acheron. They had no need to. Even if she became one near the end she would have said something.
But we know that Aha's ALMIGHTY Worm is the STRONGEST EMANATOR!!!!!
Um I wanna ask.didnt Acheron destroy and tank a literal blackhole after fighting an army of monsters when she only newly became emanator
Nah polka kakamond is the strongest 🗿
An obsession has form 😂
Nah let's talk about Oswaldo Shnider, he's probably an undercover emanator of destruction. 😅
Facts
One argument I have for Acheron being the strongest figure we’ve met is the all-encompassing nature of the Nihility. The very reason that the Dreammaster wanted Acheron out of Penacony is because the Nihility is a path that represents the inescapable end that is nonexistence, allowing her to even break the boundaries the Family set up within the Dreamscape. And as you’ve said yourself, Acheron is an entirely unrestricted Emanator, allowing her full access to her path that she channels through Naught (maybe that’s what allows her to circumvent the overwhelming nature of the blessing?)
The Nihility is a path which’s influence, though usually absent, is universal - there’s simply no escaping it
and she will always be the strongest emanator because no other emanator is as unrestricted as her since their respective aeons wouldn't allow such, except IX which is indifferent and doens't care about acheron drawing power from him
not only that but no other path or being can hold her back, Ena's dream? slashed. preservation? slashed. no matter what you do she will never be affected
@@ChrolloManauntil plot armor kicks in
She infact cannot solo Ena's dream as she needed outside help to do that. That is why Boothill summoned the galaxy rangers or why Dan heng tries to summon the Xianzhou again. I don't know why people simply ignore this.
@@Ultimate0PhantasmShe infact can solo that dream, and chose not to do so because Acheron is against needless death; which, Acheron using her blade brings. It cuts off the paths connection, and carves through reality, and brings non-existence. Massive underplay on Acheron’s strength. Also Acheron was constantly eroding the dream by simply being around.
If she can slice planets and the shadow of IX, she’s definitely destroying Ena’s deeam
@@azureknight729any villain suffers from that
Zephyro is definitely blessed by Idrilla. Since she’s the aeon of beauty and she finds beauty in everything, it’d make sense if she blessed him because he finds beauty in destruction/death. I think idrilla’s emanators are basically those who find beauty/value in things no matter the consensus norm
Idrila is them. Idrila is one of the Unique Aeons whose form will be in accordance with the imagination of the mind of the person who meets them.
Aeons have no gender. They are just living concepts
I swr Argenti has to be an Emanator cus that man is unreasonably stronk
No
@acesword9850
So if Hypothetically Sunday became an Aeon, he ain't a he anymore?
Guys I am finally convinced that Nova is a Emanator of Enigmata
I just find out that Enigmata is not the Aeon of lies and deception and misinformation, it’s more like an Aeon of riddles, puzzles and secrets. Obscurity, hidden and incomprehensible. The Path of Enigmata encourages its followers to seek out mysteries, to question everything, and to find meaning in the unknowable.
So I don’t get it, why does the community kept referring to Enigmata as if it’s simply the Aeon of lies and misinformation? I don’t get it. That trait would more be in line with Aha if anything.
Sheila?
Herta also Single handedly fought off the anti matter legion attacking her planet 18 times
Yet I don’t really feel her presence in the story
@@Ben-v6z3sPlay unknowable domain
@@Ben-v6z3sshe just got introduced at the end of the last quest of course she wasnt there before
@@Ben-v6z3s Bruh these games are meant to go one for a long time and so the story I don't know if u have played Genshin but a character named Kaeya who is a 4 star appeared at the beginning of GI and only 3 years later did we come to know how significant he is to a major plot point.
because she smart
all of this, just for Arlan to solo
It make sense that Abundance would probably be more dangerous if their feats got revealed more. “Underneath her, a strange tree with a thousand faces spoke to her, and to everyone. THEY waved THEIR branches, penetrating deep into the earth.”- Xueyi character story 3
Xueyi was in Shuhu illusion, but it is still the Aeon pronoun.
Also, this emanator is both sadistic and masochistic. "Each time you overcome death, I am beyond overjoyed. Like them, your flesh and blood are insignificant, but your pain is something that pleases me."
The branches laughed shrilly, letting each head speak one word on THEIR behalf, stringing together a sentence, "Teng Xiao, what do you plan on using to kill me this time? I'm curious."
9:55 Correct me if im wrong but wasnt it heavily implied if not outright said that acheron destroyed Izumo and Takamagahara? Cause in her myriad celestia trailer she slashed her "naught" blade and destroyed "the pitch black sun" and in the relic lore for the izumo set it says something along the lines of both planets fading away in 1 slash. I dont remember the exact words so i could be wrong
She did. It’s also implied that she destroyed the black hole that the system was orbiting
@Skillissue448 Ok I thought so lol, I knew I wasn't just letting my bias speak for me
@FrigidMoonlight let's also not forget she actually cut through the dreamscape, as in another reality.
@EstartkVonhime Yep, highkey Nova undersold Acheron in this vid
@FrigidMoonlight let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he only thought the cut cleaved the screen and did not carve a scar into the sky that remained and we had to do an actual event to fix. (The clockie movie event)
I'm sure is her story, Acheron was the one who sliced the black sun destroying Izumo and Takamagahara
Can't say that for sure the trailer seems to show that it was a futile slice and we see that Izumo was sucked into the shadow of IX
You mean the slice that was just absorb by the black sun?
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 my bad. I passed through a history fictionologist spreading misinformation
@@lucianof9080 It's ok I am also a fictionologist myself
@@kinghappy013Izumo was actually destroyed by Acheron, along with Takamagahara and the Shadow of IX. The destruction of Izumo is mentioned in her Character Story 2, where it’s stated that her “homeland, once saved, was erased by her hands..”. And, in the Izumo’s planar set, where it’s depicted as being sliced in half. Also to add to that, her Myriad Celestial trailer is called “…A Cleave across a transient world”. Her slash erased any trace of Izumo, Takamagahara, or the Black Sun having been present.
If the Black Sun swallowed Izumo and Takamagahara, it’d still be present. But in its place is ‘nothing,’ and just the Enigmata.
So yeah, Acheron’s slash destroyed everything
I don't think IX give a fuck how many Path power Acheron had access to since well, IX probably didn't know or didn't even wanna know if THEY even had Emanators.
Acheron has the potential to literally had the entire Path of Nihility's power at her disposal. But yeah, using that entire shit gonna turn her into a vegetable Self-Annihilator.
But if acheron use the full power of the path does that mean IX power will gone and got absorb by acheron? Or does the aeon power will still be intact?
@@alvinfernando9467 IX powers will remain intact, just think of it like a loan. You take money but have to pay it back so its not permanent (i think)
Acheron can’t get all the power of nihility
She can’t contain that much power
Even without limit from the aeon, she still have limit of herself, so she only can get as much as power her body and conscious can contain
a child can't lift a hammer so did acheron can't get and use entire power of the path
@@Sogbeans but with that logic if you loan everything the loan giver have. that mean the loan giver will go bankrupt and the loan gaver have nothing.
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 i mean if she only use her body with out any help of a equipment yeah. Also we dont know that are acheron still training or not if she stop training after being an emenator ofc she will stuck at what her level now but if she actualy keep training and use the help of equipment i guess she will be strongest?
The Finality could be as dangerous as the Erudition, if Herta with prep time is dangerous, now imagine someone who already prepared from the get-go.
What if finality is actually weaker. Hear me out for a moment why i said this? Because finality means the end. But does the end can be accelerated? I don't think so because it will cause an imbalance of power between the emenatorsalso equilibrium does not mean stronger then any path or aeons equilibrium just me that they are balanced when other so when equilibrium sees the balance is broken the aeons will make a "balanced emenator" to counter the imbalanced that is happening
Finality trenscends every path, it is the End and the Beggining of everything, paths included
Finality controls time, space, and dream.
@@mobius730 yeah but final cant be rushed or pushed to be faster right? Yeah they maybey stronger when the timw comes
@Nova_700Nihility encompasses more than the origin and the end, reminiscence also alters time.
I think Arlan is the storngest emanator
Of course he is, bro is funded by the richest gal in the universe who ordered Star Destroyers for defense of the Station
@idontspeakjapanese6289 real
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 Gal even gave Star Destroyers as Presents....stillnwaiting for mine....i think she tricked me 😢
10:27 I'd argue that Acheron would PROBABLY servive since she has been the closest to IX than anyone in hsr (or at least IX's mini versions) and if any science nerd are here they know how powerful black wholes are. So I feel like she could survive what ever The Herta thoughts at her.
And before anyone calls me a simp I'm a straight female
But it is true that the nihility is negatively affecting her. Her memory is just one symptom of it
@user-fc7st1nu9m but she survived and it's something so
Acheron is strong but she ain't surviving a galactical nuke
If black holes are so powerful.How come people say welt is weaker than everybody? Welt can summon a black hole that works like the real thing.His black holes can even destroy higher and lower dimensions with ease.And the star of eden can work fully even with kiana absorbing his energy
Synthetic black hole doesn’t mean anything since it works like a real black hole via his ult where enemies got frozen in time with destruction of nearby debry floating and welt can slash it.If that wasn’t enough.SoE Zeroth power is creating an actual quasi black hole
And yet people call him weak… he is definitely top 3 strongest playable just from SoE,war experience and intelligence alone.We haven’t even factored him able to use Reason’s power which he could replicate anything as long as he understands it
Idc about welt vs acheron.But the fact people say he is weak is just weird no?
Also we do not know if anybody else has gotten closer to IX.Chances is there are.Because there’s literally countless people in the universe.Acheron is definitely not the closest to IX.There’s a reason why self annihilator existed in the archives before we even met acheron.Cause other people have become that before her
@@Mikaela_77the thing about the imaginary inpulsion bomb is that it literally uses imaginary energy.Which is the source of Aeon’s power and acherons.So acherpn definitely isn’t surviving that bomb
Polka Kakamond💀
She‘s strong and her feats are incredible as well as her power to manipulate all probability in the Knowable Domain.
She killed many strong members of the Genius Society such as Genius Society #27, Rubert I, who started the Mechanical Emperor‘s War and is counted as a threat to the whole galaxy while also being partially the reason for Nanook‘s ascension to aeonhood.
However, she acts more like an assassin from what we know about her and we don’t know her ability to fully weight her strength. All we know about her feats is that she kills other members of the Genius Society for a reason we do not know yet.
In Conclusion, from what we heard about her it‘s still just to vague and she might just be a perfect assassin in taking out single entities but probably not even a threat on planetary level.
@@Yin184 we do know why she kills them. Its the reason she almost killed us during unknowable domain story. It's to prevent the expansion of the circle of knowledge (or something akin to that) since its believed (or known) every expansion brings the whole universe closer to the finality. That's the reason she damn near killed the whole simulated universe team, if they succeeded they'd have went outside those boundaries and would have expanded it probably.
Her feats are just killing Genius Society members that aren't even Emanators to begin with. Her ability looks OP on paper but not as broken as Emanators of every paths has for now.
@@lesterism If you haven’t done the unknowable domain quest (Spoiler warning):
Polka Kakamond almost whopped our butt there. Do not play with her.
@@jo_valentinotto be fair, polka try to assault herta in a place where she can’t use her true power
I feel like we’re underestimating Diamond, considering we’ve seen through Ave just what a small piece of his shared power can do. I think he’s a bigger powerhouse than the video is giving credit for.
Agreed, and that wasn't even aventurine at full power. Like as far as we know he could just have too much power thats why he divided his powers from the Qlipoth to 10 cause he doesn't need it lmaoo
isn't preservation has two emanator confirm, diamond and another higher up one of the first ipc member
Diamond and Taravan, in the data, Taravan is one of the 6 board members, ranking below the CEO of the IPC
Appreciate your videos, you're one of the few hsr lore yts who make actually fun and interesting vids. Keep it up :)
Bros actually a fictionolagist
10:03 Constance was still alive...she was on that phone thing with black swan. If iirc Acheron only killed the duke so the other characters are still alive lol.
4:35 poor honkai dude would be melted to glass if he ever was around during Glamoth lol
duke infernos gang survived you talk to constance in one of the penacony quests its when you play as black swan
The Arbiter-Generals are confirmed. On March
19, 2024 the official HSR HoYoLAB account
posted an article on emanators, confirming
this.
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Random question. Can you do a lore video about amphoreus? Because it's really giving off Elysian relm vibes and when I searched up the meaning a jar with 2 handles. So im thinking, could it mean more than one way of access? I'm not sure tbh but I would hope you could make a lore video on it
In reality Nihility is more powerful than destruction. A black hole swallows destruction, labels it meaningless, and never even cared or intended to do it. Nihility eats MEANING ITSELF.... one might say it's the inevitable aeon under which all other 'domains' are likely to fall into if it continues to grow... It's essentially the 'entropy' of the Star Rail universe.
Destruction attempts to return the universe to the state of Nihility, the original state of the universe
rember phantiliya even said that we where lucky to have run into her and not zephyro(by name). kinda shows that even an emanator of the same path have fear for this beast.
There's an unknown Lord Ravager that destroyed over 100+ planets in several Amber Eras apparently through inciting internal conflicts. This one is most likely Phantylia, since her destruction philosophy is internal destruction, just like the conflict she made in the Luofu.
I'm curious about that snake lady aeon, oborus or something like that. That path emanators must be interesting
mr return to monkey is crazy 😭
Well, at least it's an lore accurate description
I don't know if you include also the past emanators but if so than I think at most the very known emanator of Propagation Skaracabaz the Starcrusher Swarm King , and the reason is that the emanators huge power comes from the path of their aeon , and the closer the aeon see his emanators the stronger their power becomes and if they see them as extension of themselves than they can have the full power of the path , we don't know if this means the same power as the aeon or not , but at least it's the closest to the aeon and for Skaracabaz he is a part of the Propagation aeon and this makes him having the full path power and maybe the same power as his aeon , and is called to be able to shoot death ray that fragment celestial bodies , we don't know exactly what is this celestial bodies but according to wiki it includes galaxies , so at least at the very very least he can be number 2 for him being called Starcrusher and in the video the 2nd was sun devourer
Low key I think that we are kind of downplaying phantyilia the undying cause she has voice lines about having strength of the stars and also has move that shatters the planet on us and plus she is called undying soo she is like immortal and other than that we weren't even able to defeat her. We defeated her stolen body and we did that because she did something Foolish, I would give her alteast a planetary scalling
Giving her planetary scaling when she literally uses a planet in her phase 2 is kinda...
There's an unknown Lord Ravager that destroyed over 100+ planets in several Amber Eras apparently through inciting internal conflicts. This one is most likely Phantylia, since her destruction philosophy is internal destruction, just like the conflict she made in the Luofu.
acheron fighting aventurine:slashed
acheron in trailer:nuke
Love seeing all the Acheron fans trying to preach their waifu. Respect.
great vid!
Bro sense of humor 😂
11:21 - the worst thing about this vote was, that Aventurine WANTS TO DIE (he gambles his life every time - he needs to or not - for this reason). I bet Diamond voted for Aventurine's exemption only so he could screw with him
Regardless of the fact that XIPE's harmonic strings are cheating or not, I'd put Aelenev (the head of harmonic strings also known as THE COMMANDER OF ETHERNAL CENTURION) as the current strongest KNOWN emanator
The power unify everyone under the light of harmony is terrifying since if the family defeats another faction in war , they completely assimilated the other faction into themselves and become even stronger
that alone and the fact that neither the IPC or anti matter legion really messes with the family (since they have the full support of their Aeon and emanators) is enough reason for me to rank them as the strongest
Acheron's strongest feat is destroying 2 planets and a blackhole BEFORE becoming an eminator...
Hook solos btw
Dark pitch hook is the strongest
9:19 bro is otto's distant relative
10:01 she did not kill the entire cast. She just killed Duke Inferno after he requested to be killed. Not saying she couldn't though.
I have a question !!
Is it possible for an eon to give their power to an object or condense their power to create one like a herrscher core ?
Like an " emanator object/item "
This could clarify the power of Jing Yuan and general before him for exemple
The best exemple i have in mind to illustrated what i mean is the tree planted by Yaoshi
Thats just a gift from an aeon but if you mean an item that can make someone an emanator without needing an aeon to do it thats impossible
As the other guy says gifts do exist and their actually pretty prevalent in story but they don’t make you emanators because to be an emanator you have to be directly blessed by the aeon itself since your drawing their power directly.
@MeghGireesh i know but this is my question
Like i doubt that every general in the luofu was an emanator but if its an object blassed by an eon like a blade it make sens
@diabolike8055 If an aeon creates an item with their power, that's a gift/blessing. The tree planted by yaoshi was a blessing given to the people of the xianzhou, and btw it's completely different from an "object to make someone an emanator" so it's not a good example of that either. But anyways, what you're thinking of is impossible.
@@diabolike8055a gift/blesseing not create emanator
By this logic then fuxuan already is emanator of nous which she is not
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8:15
Welt : nah , i'd know
The strongest is Louis Fleming of the IPC.
I know the harmony is their own emanators but it would be interesting if you atleast covered Dominicus and Aelenev specially Aelenev which literally scared the Antimatter legion from touching Penacony
Welt is the best emanator. Fight me.
-A Welt Supremacist
Zephyro
@@Mikaela_77 Welt Prime
@@andre_original 😮 shi.
@@andre_originalherrscher of the end
@@andre_original Well the truth is that actually Weltt at this time already has hsi heis herscher core back is star rail as this happen after apho
Herta also defended her planet from disasters, including the Antimatter Legion, 14 times.
Rubert really gives me goosebump.
Can Acheron even die? Since it seems like she can freely reach the "River Acheron" (where the dead who have become Sin Thirsters gather) to try to guide the spirits back to existence, as well as the Nihility's Edge (the black hole horizon where Aventurine went), the latter of which is apparently described as a place no one can return from by an in-game description ;o
Oh right there's also the Skaracabaz, emanator of Propagation. While Ruan Mei's synthetic version only existed for a certain duration of time, the original was probably a galactic threat just like the Swarm in general (though not universal threat like Tayzzyronth itself, which required divine intervention from the aeons THEMSELVES lol)
I can't even defend Acherin with just the first one
Also random thought, what if the Mc became an emanator? What path would we be drawing power from?
I’m assuming if the MC became an Emanator it he/she would become the Emanator of Trailblaze.
Destruction
@@Mikaela_77 I get where you’re coming from but the Stellaron inside the MC is a completely separate entity, the Stellaron inside the MC is used to power (kinda like without electricity, robots cannot function properly.) the MC to keep us alive and breathing. Remember when we first started playing the game? Herta said herself that she was trying to create something that could house a Stellaron without it exploding, then she was shocked when she learned Elio figured out how to do it before her. Herta created the MC but Elio figured out how to put the Stellaron inside us without the Stellaron exploding. Elio sent Silver Wolf and Kafka to infiltrate Herta’s space station, Silver Wolf was hacking Herta’s control systems and hacked reality to create a shortcut towards the MC, THEN Kafka was the one who put the Stellaron inside us. So in other words, the MC would be the Emanator of Trailblaze NOT Destruction. I hope I made it clear. 😌
@@Golden-l4r I'm pretty sure this comment section happened days ago wtf, only 6 hrs... I don't remember being here 6 hrs ago🧓
@@Golden-l4r interesting, then... I think the MC will be an Emanator of...
Destruction
what about the arbitradors (emanators of The Equilibrium)? if I remember correctly, they are viewed as gods in some cases and they make a huge impact by creating equality all across the universe.
idc what yall say elio is an emanator of terminus
bruh imagine a playable zephyro where he's like "DAMN you are beautiful" to the enemies when they're about to die
IX should not be underestimated because the concept they embody is literally the ending of everything. Just think of you watching movie on Netflix you may reverse or replay the movie, but it will still eventually end even if you stop the movie the moment it was played again it will still end no matter what's the circumstances nihility can't be easily affected by other path because how can you something when there's nothing?
Anyways DYK why IX is portrayed as a Blackhole? Because when the universe experiences a domination of blackhole the blackhole would eventually evaporate though hawking radiation and if all the blackhole evaporate after dominating the entire universe, the universe would experience a heat death or when the universe will evolve to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and will therefore be unable to sustain processes that increase entropy.
1:43 Polka > Any Nanook emanator
Rubert II(He destroyed galaxies with just a swing of his sword.) > Zephyro(So far the most powerful known emanator of Destruction. It took him 1 AE to destroy the galaxy.)
4:40 Rubert I had many robots with such power. Nothing special
9:19 IT itself is a timeline
9:35 ALL self annihilators are emanators of Nihility
2:49 I’m pretty sure that the mourning actors are against the elation
Although they oppose Elation. Many other factions join them with the masked fools since their strength comes from Aha for the laughs.
@@Aiolet lol right I forgot aha did that
Hello, Nova great that you got into powersclaing a bit but I am just gonna be clarfying soem things about the emnators, though i dont like powerscaling them since thier featar are mostly statements (note: I wont be taking hyperboles for statemnet and neither am I using any kind of dimension teiring):
1: The galaxy feat that you showed us is actaully very dubious as the timeframe fo the dsestruction was never given, it may fo have happened through an whole amber era or more for all we know.
2: All the emnators should sit comfortably above planeatry at the minimum considering that jade with a cornerstone made a planet into a jewerly, and again that is a mere fraction of diamnods power, along with emnators like the swarm emnator and Phantalia having feats of destroying stars.
3. Acheron in truth is the one with actualy the most scale as again as an emantor she should scale to the other like the swarm emantor , along with haveing actual speed sxaling and just a lot of hax in general. She scales to welt, who is relativistic to light speed and has enough hax resistance for days, such as resiting all other paths hax, dimension hopping, resistnace to divination and realoty erasure, time stop and most impormatntly being able to send others to IX where thier past, present and future are erased. By all means she the character with most powerfull abloties we have seen till noe.
4: By all means IX is the strongest Aeon considering that he is staed to be half of all creation itslef and being the aeon who is a contradiction.
>IX is the strongest Aeon
> The elegy outright stated that even IX along with other Aeons that they are not safe from Terminus with the only exceptions being Oroboros, HooH, and Nous.
HooH is hype to be the strongest Aeon and Nous whose mere copies(the scepter) can conquer the universe.
Finality is the strongest.They exist before and after the universe was created.Finality exists before all other concepts.And Nihility is a concept and exists because the universe exists
Bruh, we need Equilibrium and Finality screen time so badly, cuz everyone thinks IX is the strongest Aeon just cuz they are the strongest that ain't locked behind obscure text.
Finality has statemant of being able to destroy IX.
And if IX is being glazed for emcompassing half the universe, what about HooH who emcompasses the equilibrium of ALL things, being able to cut concepts in half, and being likely the reasson the universe even is separated in our reality and non existence. HooH is the equilibrium of ALL things, whereas IX only emcompasses non existence
@@APEPNARWHALSERPENTIx one of the upper tiers but definitely not strongest one, ppl who say that know nothing and probably because they've been reading from others with the same echochamber
@@sinhadesx Yeah.
Hope that Terminus or HooH get more spotlight soon, cuz the reasson IX is so highly regarded as the strongest is probably due to having much more screen time than it's stronger companions
Ngl, that Zephyro guy reminds of Jhin from LoL... like, a lot. And I fear the implications of that resemblance
9:48 ok i have ONE argument against that. i think the finality is stronger than nihility. maybe elegy was just glazing, but she said that terminus could terminate nihility (and other paths like destruction)
however I don't know how an emanator of finality would work, because terminus moves backwards in time
Maybe in the future Terminus alredy gave his power to some people so that they can fufill the finality of the universe, so in the future we could see someone who received THEIR glaze from when they were travelling back in time(god it's so confusing talking about order of events when Terminus is involved)
@APEPNARWHALSERPENT yeah, maybe like elio, since we know that elio follows finality. not sure if hes an emanator, but i think he probably is
hell, maybe another stellaron hunter is an emanator of finality too
unfortunately we still know too little in general, but i think that the generals are not emantars. Imo the xianzhou works like the stonehearts of the ipc where the marshall is the emanator and she shares her powers with the generals, but after patch 2.5 i think that feixiao may also be an emanator of the hunt since lan looked at her and she embodies the hunt. As for the strongest paths, if these three are what i think they are, imo the nihility, the equilibrium and the finality are the strongest. For example there are wild theories about ix being the abyss around the universe and many more (ix may be represented as a black hole, but it's stated many times that ix is shapeless, so the black hole thing may be only a rapresentation and not his real self)
Only reason i can see being made for Acheron to justify her as probably the strongest Emanator in power alone is just the simple fact she has complete unrestricted access to IX's powers in its entirety. I do think there is a limit what with Acheron being a Self Annihilator, perhaps she can be a universal or even multiversal threat but using all that power could probably destroy her who knows.
Id really love to see what an Emanator of Elation is capable of though!
With how random Aha is, that could happen in 3.0 for all we know
Her limit is probably how deep she can tap on Nihility which according to a Doctor of Chaos in her character story, she is in very deep already. So Acheron can be so strong depending on her opponent which she doesn't even let us see in the whole Penacony story.
Wasn't the scarab boss an eminator of swarm?
A imperfect clone, so it weaker than the real one
I see… but f that guy broke my team on my 1st few tries 🤦
After playing simulated universe and all it's content I'd rank the herta 1. She just doesn't try. Give her evil intentions as some others and she's like almighty. Zero threat level but max power
Destruction is the strongest
What about feixiao?
Nah the iron tomb and zyhro takes the case
Acheron>every Emanator till we see their actual feats.
Destruction emanators can Destroy galaxies The most powerfull thing that Acheron made is Destroy a estelar sistem
@@mabiasilveira2468not even solar system.Just a planet or two
@FD-wl7xq the distance With The planets count
@@FD-wl7xqno, it was the asdana star system
IMO the strongest Emanators currently are (in no order):
Polka kakamond
Acheron
EoP Sunday
Zephyro
the worm?? where??
Wasn't Rubert I a Genius Society member? Thus he was an emanator of Erudition. I'm unsure if Rubert II was an emanator purely because he was the "incarnation"(?) of Rubert II and had to use the Iron Throne to use his power.
I definitely think I'm remembering the Iron Throne part wrong but I know Rubert I was a Genius Society member.
Edit: Also Polka Kakamond exists. I needn't say more. All geniuses live in fear of the Lord of Silence.
He is a member, but is not emanator
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 You're right. I was always under the thought that Genius Society Members were emanators but I guess not.
6:32 the name isnt edgy or smth a highschooler would come up with its from the hindu mythology "rahu" is the one who devours the sun
acheron didnt kill the other members of the gang she said so herself only ifrit
I'll be real I only clicked because I saw Xinyan pfp.
Based.
Black swan is one.
She's not, she's just a memokeeper
All emanators of the remembrance are memokeepers but not all memokeepers are emanators. I'm also very sure that black swan said herself that an emanator of the remembrance could create the entire penacony dreamscape if they wanted to
And black swan was never shown to be that strong
@ I saw she was like everywhere.
wait so whats that scene where fexiao receive the axe?
A gift and acknowledgement
How is Acheron toast she survived blowing up two planets after she slashed the black hole that took the place of a sun in their galaxy. I honestly think having the power to blow up a black hole is probably enough to destroy the beam and the machine Herta makes also i think Nilhility trumps Destruction bc it's inescapable and non existent how do you destroy something that doesn't exist and isn't tangible which will probably be Acherons realization by the end of her story in HSR overall.
Nihility, IX, exist in the shadows, and Destruction exist even within them.
a black hole will take in every and all energy / matter it’s chucked at so even a galactic nuke wouldn’t be able to destroy. Acheron has unlimited access to the nihility soo…
Blade's power come from shuhu of abundance iirc
5:22 this is completely wrong btw. Base Dan heng is already star level minimum and phantylia>>>>>base Dan heng.
In general, as all Emanators are stronger than pathstriders (there are some notable exceptions) most if not all emanators (atleast the mid tiers and higher) will have to be minimum star level due to scaling from base dan heng who is a path strider and not even an emanator
plus it’s weird to say that when she literally threw a star at us which was calced as brown dwarf ap
All i heard was asta victims
I have a personal theory that:
1.the less emanators a path has the stronger they are
2.the stronger/broader the path the stronger the emanator
So if both THE HUNT and DESTRUCTION have 7 then a lord ravager should edge out an arbiter general since destruction as a concept is stronger than the hunt
Then we have something like HARMONY that only has 4 and harmony itself is a really strong and broad path (then you realize, it also has the full power of the ORDER included/absorbed into itself) so I'd put the harmonic strings above other emanators
If we go by that in mind then I'd definitely put Aelenev as the top emanator for now (ssimulatng an entire anti matter legion force into the family in an instant and scaring them so much that they don't target the family or penacony anymore)
The power of Harmony is terrifying and the family always assimilates whoever their enemy is into itself, making them even stronger after they participate in a war
Not to mention Sunday almost put the entire cosmos into a collective dream, only utilizing a none combat focused emanator of Harmony like Dominicus
Maybe, but the Arbiter-Generals were said to be on par with Lord Ravagers. Maybe Lan gives the Arbiter-Generals and Spiritus more unrestricted access to the Path's power than Nanook gives the Lord Ravagers.
The thing is, not all Emanators receive the same treatment from their Aeons.
Some Aeons give more oercentage if their path acess compared to others, so even if an emanator of the hunt(I think the only path canonically said to be amongst the weakest) fights someone from an broader path,, they could still be equals or the hunt be even stronger if Lan was more generous.
@@PositiviteaTheFirst think it like a child wear a armor and an adult
The child not strong like an adult to fight them but they can do that with the help of armor
But they can’t use the armor in long time and at everywhere while the adult can fight in long time at everywhere
Wouldn't be so sure about a 'galaxy level' Zephyro, HSR translations are notoriously bad when it comes to astronomy terms.
If I remember correctly the original Chinese is more along the lines of (star) "system" rather than an entiry galaxy.
What if acheron brings the black hole to herta haha
Pls make a video about doctors of chaos
Acheron can One Shot Everyone in Amphoreus since all of things in there is basically Memory / Meme...
I think MC will Kill all of them (Lord Ravager) .. Since Kafka said that MC will have to Fight Nanook...
We can't even defeat pseudo Emanators alone, what makes you think that TB can kill them all
Makes no Sense at all,can acheron one shot fuli? They are also a memetic entity
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 You really believe that guy? Bro is obviously a Enigmata follower
Emenator of trashcans solos them all
Didn't Acheron Slash a Black hole on her home planet?
For Acheron remember that you literally cannot die In a dream yet Acheron still almost killed aventurine with one light swing of her sword. Also remember that while the destruction well, destroys. The nihility ERASES everything, information, light, matter, and even concepts are futile in the face of absolute nothingness
It isn’t you can’t die
But xipe power prevent you from dying
Sunday weaken xipe power in dream realm , acheron can kill people not just because nihility power but because the protected of xipe weaken
Nihility does nothing and they are self annihilators. They have their own world and for that they are the weakest.
4:37 wait what the heck is that true!? is he really herrescher of corruption cuz thats so cool and btw imagine no.1 meeting kiana of hi3 or kiana mei of ggz
There's no confirmation on that, it's just the guy pointing out how similar this emanator's motive is to Honkai and how there's massive chances they are linked since well, they are so similar while both being Honkai games
@@APEPNARWHALSERPENT yeah
10:41 ngl I think acheron would win cuz rmb how during the aven fight where she casually just stopped time??? If you wanna go based on game mechanics then yeah ults do stop time but idt that's in lore( otherwise like yanqing could beat acheron if he pre charged his ult, which he would have cuz he gets no action :p)
Well tbh we dont really know if Zephyro destroyed the galaxy.
Nor do we know if he did it by himself.
They just said that he was last seen there and that the galaxy is dead basically.
It could just be that he commands alot of monsters thus an army why he himself is star system level at most.
But with enough armies and time.. It just depends on it.
Also.. We dont really know how strong Acheron is.
She attacked IXs shadow(blackhole).
But with her powers as a free eminator of nihility..
She should potentially be wayy stronger than our estimation.
Also... Honkai does not target advance civilisation.
But rather acts when civilisations are advanced enough that they may be ready for its embrace.
Honkai itself is a higher dimension being that manifests as anything.Wouldn’t be surprised if Aeons were actually honkai (Stretch probably).Even su saw countless worlds/universes (other imaginary trees) destroyed by honkai.So the honkai in solar system is dealt with but other worlds haven’t
@FD-wl7xq lol.. No.. Honkai is basically humans calling all abnormalities caused by imaginary.
It is also the energy processed by the cocoon.
It is also the beings created by the cocoon.
So yeah.. The honkai are not aeons.
As the Aeons didnt even know of the existance of earth due to either the solar system being hidden by something.. Or its soo far away that they arnt able to see it.
@@FD-wl7xq like the cocoon itself is a higher dimensional being.
We dont know how high..
But considering the Authority of finality transcends all dimensions aka.. The dimensions of the imaginary tree prop as high as it wants.
It also means that it was prop made/born outside the tree.. Aka outside the universe.
Bc a dimensional universe cant really make an authority that transcends dimensions.
Its like trying to fit a 5cm cube in a 2cm cube.
Bro is called literally one man army
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 what? By who?
Herta is def stronger than shuhu from what we know in su herta knows the weakness of the finality because everything is in good "balance" herta has failed to penetrate the circle of knowlege from what we know polka kakamond is the only being that has mastered the circle of knowlege and don't be surlrised if an emantor of erudtion is strong nous itself knows the negative and positive form of the equalbrium the circle of knowlege or singularity of knowlege is outsitde the space time of the universe/img tree from the accidently discovery of fire and the early interactions between time and space basically each time a perfect scholar stepped beyong the boundaries of the circle of knowledge left a significant impact on the universe.
In a sense no other emantor can stop herta if she achieves the circle of knowledge
strongest? our char :D emenator of all paths possible? possible :D
Didn't acheron destroy her black hole though? Correct me if im wrong 😅
what about aventurine
Spoiler alert but after hearing your explanation for irontomb, could he be the reason why everyone is evacuating from Herta Space Station in the final 2.7 story?
I thought Acheron cut 2 planets and a black hole:/
Wich she did
The thing is, if someone can figure the size of the black hole, then Acheron's level could be closer to Zephyro's than Nova thinks
Black hole isn't certain but planets I think, problem is that planet destroying apparantly isn't a big feat, Firefly did it but people still say Jingyuan clears her, not to mention that her enhanced skill in game is reminiscent of what she did in that trailer. Her Enhanced skill animation could literally just straight up be a planet destroying attack but oh well.
@@Mikaela_77 to be fair, firefly did it only using the full power of the SAM suit, and after that she was left unconscious
and the Xianzhou general are say to be similar to Nanook's emanators
Not to say that jing-yuan is galaxy level (like the Zephyro freak), but he certainly beats firefly
@julianbarria9743 would you say that FF is at the same level as the current FF, No cus that's just like saying kid JY is at the same level as current JY. Added to the way the other stellaron hunters talk about "SAM", that feat could be something that she's capable of doing without major drawbacks. Not to mention that she did that thousands of not hundreds of thousands of years ago. Penacony as a whole also just doesn't allow for her to showcase that as she has no reason to go to such lengths.
@@julianbarria9743 I'm definitely not saying this for sure but what's to say that FF enhanced basic attack animation isn't literally a similar thing to what she did in that video?, in that state JY is gonna have a ton of trouble taking speed alone into account. The generals are in no way inferior to the Lord ravagers but JY still would've lost to Phantalya alone
Ok this video is delulu there is a lot of misinformation going around here
Does Aventurine count as an emanator 🤔
Nope, he borrow power of a emanator
@vietcuongnguyenle8530 no as in his blessing from the giathra tricolps
@@KKintoru blessing doesn’t create emanator
The immortal state of vidyahara and xianzhou is a blessing too , just in larger scale
Aventurine blessing is special, but it doesn’t make him is emanator
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 if he was an emanator he would be the emanator of gambling 😎
The generals borrow the power of emanators they aren't emanators themselves. And instead sorry but if people are still believing Feixiao is one they would have told us she is considering they straight up did with Acheron. They had no need to. Even if she became one near the end she would have said something.