I noticed on the forums that there's an 'Africa Single' logo sticker that's been made for it by some industrious types. The more I look at this the more I like it. I've been and had a look at the Himalayan and it appeals very much but I reckon this bike with a similar power output will be more reliable. I tried the taller heavier bikes and whilst the height wasn't too much of a problem, the weight when combined with height certainly put me right off. Consequently a lighter bike like this is more likely the way I'll go especially as a high powered bike isn't really all that important to me. I haven't ruled out the 'L' either. A dual sport bike just makes sense for me right now especially now I live out in the sticks. I do think they missed a trick with the lights, two stacked vertically would have been far more 'Dakar' than the wonky gas mask replica, but having said that, it's quirky and that's generally OK by me! It's testament to the quality that you found very little to criticise. I'm sure the untidy brake cable loop is a function of the long throw suspension and the way it's routed down the fork leg. Stick on a rear rack and a Giant Loop Coyote bag and the world is your smoked herring. Certainly, the trails of the North Yorkshire Moors and Northumberland that are right on my doorstep beckon strongly!
Bought one last week...first bike so have nothing to compare it to. First impressions...a whole lot of fun for a beginner and more than enough power for me for now. Rode for 120km on the weekend and just loved it.
How does it do at highway speed? Like 110khr? I ride a big 1600 but miss the dual sport and want a small one to ride but need to hit highway speed to get to trails
@@nickgiard8553 Does 110 ok but any hill or headwind kills it. Offroad and going around 90ish I get 300km from a tank, at 110 with luggage it's down to 200.
This is the best review of the Rally on TH-cam. I purchased one after watching this, and I have to say I'm very happy with it. Power is fine, just have to keep the revs up a bit (around the 5000-8000 RPM range ) and she fair flies. I did find the gap from 1st to 2 nd gear a little tall (for trail riding that is) so I fitted a 13 tooth front sprocket. That changed the performance dramatically! Now it fair hammers and second gear is very usable in the tricky stuff. Revs bumped up another 500 RPM at highway speed (100 kph) to 6500 Rpm, so not revving too hard, and has plenty in reserve if needed. Great review, and great mini adventure bikes.
I trusted my instincts, bought a 250 Rally. Literally the best decision I've ever made. I'm just thankful i wasn't swayed by people's input about "power" I'm not trying to wheelie through the hood I'm ADV riding its more than enough power.
A crf500l rally and i wouldn't need a different bike for the rest of my days. I like the xr600 or was that a 650? But it's too much of a dirtbike for me to like it more. But a Rally with Honda's cb/cbr 500 engine...yes please
I just bought a near new condition 2918 in black over silver. So far in love with it, but the suspension will be upgraded. I've had several big bore dual sporters but happy to slow down a bit now at 55yo. Very comfortable, just enough squirt, great road manners and pretty capable off road out of the box. Some knobbies and stiffer springs will make it great.
Didn’t want to sell my Tiger1050, absolutely perfect big bike. So what do I do, go down to Dobles for a bit of window shopping. Brought the black/grey CRF, got a really good deal. Going in for 600mile service on Tuesday, I am loving this bike, especially when I take it off-road
Love the fairing and screen on this bike....I have just bought one after stalling for a while but I now know it's the right bike for me, it'll doing everything I want it to.
Thanks TMF! As a 6'5" middle aged car driver about to take the plunge into the world of motorcycling (not been on 2 wheels since I used to mess around on Fizzies as a gangly youth), this could well be the machine for me. Love the channel, keep up the good work!
Also worth mentioning the petrol tank cap that is the "normal" big bike kind of kit. Nothing wrong with the L or M cap which s in chrome and styled differently but some off-roaders complain for some reason. Wish Honda will make an upgrade kit for us L or M owners with the bigger capacity tank and maybe a performance kit to get it to the new engine performance. I was hoping they'll make this a 300 to say the truth. Could have been easily done since they have the cbr with a 300 already.
Just been in and Ordered one of these today. Should be perfect for the roads here. Now I've got to take my wife shopping again as I've bought yet another bike :D
Own one of this, my first bike ever and actually trading it for the regular 250L. Where my buddies and I ride, its mostly rough trails and man, those fenders are weak on the Rally (don't DROP IT!) and shes an heavy lady with also an higher center of gravity! After 5000km in one season on it wich 4000 of it were offroads, I can answer pretty much all questions about it if anyone has some! And I must say, more offroad capable you say? Gneh, really not sure about that one...! Its a great bike for sure but not the good one for my actuals needs. I've brought it in places it has never been designed for. + 330km range (easily achievable) + nice look + comfortable seat position + those headlights make you really highly visible on the streets + winshield really useful during windy/chilly days + higher ground clearance than the standard L -- have to be gentle with the bike and make sure to never drop it in rought trail (fenders are too weak) -- stock tires are ''off road looking'', nothing more -- seating position not agressive enough for trail riding -- bike is quite heavy for offroad riding
I bought this today , 2018 with 900 miles on it with some nice extras as well 😏, the key to this bike is strangle it to the power zone 5-7500 rpms it loves it.
It's a great bike. I can't believe all the comments about the freaking lights... If they shortened the cable loop you may experience interference from suspension travel or steering lock - is it worth it? Honda usually know what they are doing, I didn't say "always"... Good review! Pete.
I own a Suzuki bandit 1250 and just traded it in for one of these. I pick it up in a couple of days, and I'm very excited to get off the beaten track. It's going to be a slight power difference but it looks like it will be heaps of fun!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yep, really excited to get back into trail riding again, I hope to be able to do big road miles as well, might have to invest in a seat concepts seat as well I think! The mods you've done to your CRF250L will come in handy in the future, thanks for the really great videos!
Thank you , for your reviews!!!! I live in Latvia and even i understand every word you say. Nice and clear review. In short time you gave me all information witch i needed. Good luck!!!!
I have been looking at numerous reviews as I am looking at purchasing a new motorbike (dual purpose) after selling my Yamaha XT600E a couple of years ago. Your reviews have been extremely helpful into narrowing my choices down to 2.....the Honda CRF250 Rally or the KTM 390 Adventure!!! Both seem like perfect options for what I'm looking for but am leaning a bit towards the KTM but need to do a bit more homework with regard to service spares and back up service here in South Africa. Keep up with your excellent reviews...!!!
In Russia we have a Chinese copy of this bike that’s called Motorland Dakar 250 in 2 versions LT and ST which cost 176000 rubbles and 187000 rubbles. People are loving them!
Excellent review. I went for a test ride on one of these earlier this year and I liked it that much I bought one, and I don't regret it at all. She's been a really good fun ride with quite a bit of pep for a 250. She handles really well on our rough roads too. Cheers
After watching your videos/reviews for a few years now, I notice you do seem to have a thing about white van drivers, I am a white van driver, I am also a white CB1100 rider and a Honda CRV driver (the family car). I also used to be a subscriber to your channel and stumbled across this review, merely because I am interesting in purchasing the 2018 version of this bike, I enjoyed watching your review of the bike and it has helped me further in deciding whether to continue with my purchase, so I thank you for that, but I don't understand your comments about white van drivers, I guess us bikers (you included) also get our fair share of negativity from other road users. Anyway, thanks for your review of the bike. Kind Regards, Paul from the UK.
I guess we all have to try and share the roads, it would be nice to live in the middle of nowhere for fantastic biking roads with no traffic, but then there would probably be less work available (unless we can work from home of course). Thanks for the reply and the review once again, it helped, thanks, Paul.
I was about to get this bike but I opted for a used WR250R and a bunch of new mods for the same price. Spent 3k on the bike, ordered all new plastics, FMF Q4 + Mega Bomb, Pro Taper Bars and Grips, 48T Gearing, Flatlands Skip Plate (oh and it needs a new Countershaft Seal). All came to about 4.2K and will probably get a few more tarty bits over time. So far pretty happy.
I thought the 250 in this felt fine - certainly better than my 2014 250L - but overall I agree a little more poke wouldn't go amiss...300-350cc would have been perfect I reckon...
Great review. I've currently got a VFR750, which is a lovely bike, but I think I'm going to chop it in for a Rally. easier maintenance, lighter, better riding position, can ride in winter coz it's easier to was salt out, can do some light off roading...
I am glad you mentioned the front brake tube sticking out in an unsatisfactory way. That is the first thing I saw. Additionally, the view of the cockpit seems less than great. The bike looks great from other angles, however. The seat is not comfy looking, but that is always subjective. The price is actually quite agreeable! Thanks for the information!
Great review ! Thanks to you i own one of these now :) Very good motorcycle, great build quality compared to other A2 bikes (BMW 310gs disappointed me on test ride) . It's not super powerful but in my experience it never seems to lack power, handling is easy and effortless.
Thanks for the videos. I believe the new crf250l ..2017...has had engine changes to improve performance, also changes to the air box and exhaust etc...so I should imagine the 2017 crf250l has the same performance as the rally you test rode.
Went for a test ride last month, it's an ideal bike for beginner riders for pretty much any terrain (easy to handle, very forgiving throttle response), lightweight, nimble even with a heavy rider, comfortable. Seat height is great for persons with average height (the suspension compresses nicely). Great for commuting. Things I didn't like: lack of gear indicator, the side compartment is flimsy (it popped open when I mounted the bike), budget side stand. Very positive experience overall.
Engine changes for both the Rally and L, 2mm larger injector, larger headpipe, different injecton map which seems to have worked well. Rally recieved larger front brake, L did not. I have been waiting to here the impression of the engine changes and power output. Thank you.
Good to hear both variants got the mods, they are definitely noticeable and the bike feels adequate as stock (where as the old CRF L in my opinion, didn't).....
Enjoyed your Live Stream this evening. With the current popularity of small capacity 'Adventure Bikes' (inc. this CRF), any chance of reviewing the Suzuki VStrom 250; Kawasaki Versys 300; and the amazing looking Chinese/Italian Benelli TRK 502? Hope your voice is better.
Is it possible I'm the only one who just loves that Honda bikes have the horn and indicators buttons in the "wrong" position? My first bike has them in the usual position and I've always complained about it.
Have been looking at Rally myself nice design & practical for bit of off roading . But I would have to get rid of a bike. Brake hose is like that for long suspension travel .
Nice review. I was looking at buying a motorbike for driving to and on the farm and was contemplating the CRF Rally or CRF250L. I will buy the CRF250L and keep the £750 cash saving after your desfription and explanantions of the differences.
Very good review. I’ve been stuck between this and a KLX250... I’ve always been a Honda guy so, I’ll probably got with the CRF. The more I look at it the more I like it. And I know those headlights are ugly but I like em.
Great review as always. I’m looking at one of these to get into green laning as I’m only an hour from Salisbury plain. I have a 2019 Tiger 800 XCA but think that’s probably abit too much Bike to start out on and your review, as always, has helped me decide between the L and Rally. Do you know if there are many changes between this 2017 model and today?
TheMissendenFlyer thanks for the speedy response. Did you video your ride? Whilst very experienced on road I’ve never done any green laning and like the idea of the rally as it’s light by comparison to the Tiger. Will build up to the bigger bike in a couple of years.
Thought I recognized those roads......used to live and work round there. Had a few Xmas parties at pub you stopped at. Like the CRF rally and think it looks good. They need to make a 600 class bike that is still light and agile. Couldn't replace my ccm644 with one though. The Honda weighs around the same with half the power and lower spec suspension. I fitted a 25 ltr tank and upgraded the seat a little for longer trips. Just need to sort a screen now. Keep up the vids👍
glad to see this one! as I've recently been fantasising about getting a bike, this was top of the list for a (potential) beginner like me. Generally love the ADV styles of bike and this looks great. nice to hear the differences to the crf250L too. Top stuff as always TMF.
Hi there the TMF. The video was great as always! I ride both sports bikes (BMW S1000RR and Ducati 1299 superleggera) and dirt bikes (KTM 200 EXC and KTM 250 SX). You may want to review the KTM 350 EXCF which is road legal and a powerful and grewt bike for road and offroad use! Thanks again, Robert
I took this bike out again today for a final ride before I decided to buy it or not, it was a not for me decided it was not for me due to the lack of go in the thing. A surprise of the day was then taking the Honda 500x out which turned out to be a peach of a bike with lots of go where you needed it. Green lanes on this would be easy with a set of suitable tyres they are used by the Honda off road academy for the beginners. So what to choose🤔 got to check the new Benelli TRK502 out tomorrow . You really have to look at this bike and what you get for the money. Check it out.
David Archibald: before you make a purchase, try the NC750X DCT; you’ll love it 😊 I’ve done 2300 miles on mine in 4 months and over that period it’s averaged 94mpg.
bts jimin I took one out last week I used to have the NC700x. The 750x was a lot better engine wise than the 700x but it's a case of had one lets have something else. I have a new GS Adventure so looking for something to use in the winter and around town.
Good review as per TMF. Now I've just got the missus sorted out with an upgrade from the MT-03 to 07 I am already hankering after one of these for a winter bike. Hmmmmmm
I think it’d be a great bike for me. I don’t give a tinker’s cuss about styling. When you’re in the mountains of Mongolia, where I live, it’d be the most stylish bike for thousands of kilometres. At the moment, I ride a Honda Transalp 600v which is a bit heavy and cumbersome for serious off roading but it’s probably nicer for long road riding between mountain ranges.
Interesting review Mr Flyer Sir. Would you make similar mods for the exhaust and power output as you did on your 250l, or do you feel the improvements to the rally model are enough to rule them out. I fancy a small second bike for the winter and the 250l, or the rally may be ideal.
+Mash M Actually no I wouldn’t, the Rally felt as fast as my L as stock - I may add an exhaust but that would only be a vanity thing to make it louder, power wise the Rally is all there out of the box.
Love that pub, does some cracking food. Well worth taking Mrs Missenden Flyer there for a meal..... Great review, of a great bike, can't really go wrong there. Agree with cabling is a mess though.....
It's nice that they improved the exhaust make it lighter and sounding better, a bigger fuel tank, ABS, and a nice dash with a tachometer. BUT...they made it taller and heavier, not nice for me on offroad situations. and in full honesty there's too much plastic to break from a fall offroad too. and a plastic skidplate??...nah If it would be me I would still get the standard CRF250L ABS and spend the rest of the money for a proper rear shock and a front spring. great review BTW. THUMPS UP!
Hey mate have you tried Kawasaki's KLX 250? If so how does this Crf250Rally compared to it (especially power wise)? And 2nd question, does the weight difference slows this bike down compared to the regular Crf250L, or the Rally got a much more powerful engine than the regular L? Cheers...
TheMissendenFlyer so the extra weight in this bike didn't make it slightly inferior compared to the lighter L? btw thanks for the reply man really helped me :D
you should do a review about a transit van (obviously white) and see how slow it drives through country lanes, how well it drives hogging both sides of the carriageway so no one can get past and how much crap you can fill it up with so you can fly tip in the country lanes. Or you could do another bike review?
I just got this bike in Bangkok, it's well suited for chaotic third-world urban riding. For instance you can drive on the sidewalks to get around traffic jams. Haven't used it in the countryside yet.
The review I've been waiting for :) Glad you liked it. Just for clarification: would you recommend spending the extra bit of cash (a bit more than just a bit actually, when we're talking about this end of the market, 14,62% more to be exact) for a Rally instead of an L? Also, would you yourself trade in your L for a Rally (with paying the difference)? And most importantly: would you say it's worth getting the Rally instead of a considerably cheaper option of getting a used L? I know, tough questions :) So I'll throw one easier in because I'm nice like that: have you had any issues with the seat height and stability when stopping? Think you could have a problem with it on rough offroad terrain? Thanks for making these videos btw, I wouldn't get mad if you decide to skip answering these questions, you already make the youtube motorcycling community much more informative :) Cheers!
Hi Leuff always good to talk to you! To take your questions directly..."would you recommend spending the extra bit of cash" - Yes, definitely worth it. " would you yourself trade in your L for a Rally (with paying the difference)" - No, the differences aren't huge enough now I've heavily modded my "L" to make paying the extra worthwhile. " would you say it's worth getting the Rally instead of a considerably cheaper option of getting a used L?" - if you can afford it then yes, the Rally is a much better bike all round, I was very surprised how much I liked it more than the "L". "have you had any issues with the seat height and stability when stopping? Think you could have a problem with it on rough offroad terrain?" - No I've not had any serious issues, I'd be lying to say it wouldn't be better if the seat was an inch lower, but if I was that concerned I would get it lowered (not hard on these to swap out or mod the "dog bone" suspension link).....and thanks for the kind words - all the best - TMF
Great video as normal ,been thinking of getting one of these for green lanes ,have you any plans of doing the new Suzuki sv650 I here it's a good bike for low end price middle weight another possibility?
I recently passed my test and today test rode this bike. It infuriated me, I wanted to hate it and rule a 250 out so I could concentrate on getting a 600-700cc ish bike, however I smiled for the 20 odd miles I was out! The newer “rally” version is a bit out of my price range, and was looking initially at the 250L. How well do they compare? Hoping to get out on a 250L (second hand as the rally only had 60 miles on) and try it soon. Would happily do some of the mods, especially the fuel tank upgrade as although I won’t be touring, I think I’ll prefer to know I have a few extra miles spare as I live in the sticks. Cheers for all the videos, very helpful. Jack
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think I will too. Was worried I would get bored of it as my main bike but I think you could have so much fun on it I just won't get bored! Cheers again.
I got myself a 2017 CRF250L a few weeks ago which still has stock exhaust on it (plan to upgrade it at some point), and i can't figure out why Honda put the horn and indicator switch in opposite places? I've probably spooked pedestrians at least a couple of times when i went for the turn signal and honked the horn instead by accident.
If you had to pick one bike to do the London commute including a 10 mile stint on the M25 and be a capable off road bike for occasional use on a weekend, would you pick this one?
It seems like with the shift to the medium displacement adventure bikes (I'm thinking the KTM 790 Adventure et. al.), what if there were a CRF450L Rally? Wouldn't it just hit the spot?
the halfrica twin
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I noticed on the forums that there's an 'Africa Single' logo sticker that's been made for it by some industrious types.
The more I look at this the more I like it. I've been and had a look at the Himalayan and it appeals very much but I reckon this bike with a similar power output will be more reliable.
I tried the taller heavier bikes and whilst the height wasn't too much of a problem, the weight when combined with height certainly put me right off. Consequently a lighter bike like this is more likely the way I'll go especially as a high powered bike isn't really all that important to me. I haven't ruled out the 'L' either. A dual sport bike just makes sense for me right now especially now I live out in the sticks.
I do think they missed a trick with the lights, two stacked vertically would have been far more 'Dakar' than the wonky gas mask replica, but having said that, it's quirky and that's generally OK by me! It's testament to the quality that you found very little to criticise. I'm sure the untidy brake cable loop is a function of the long throw suspension and the way it's routed down the fork leg.
Stick on a rear rack and a Giant Loop Coyote bag and the world is your smoked herring. Certainly, the trails of the North Yorkshire Moors and Northumberland that are right on my doorstep beckon strongly!
Oso 11 it's not half is a quartwin
For offroad is much better (lighter)
I call my cb500x the halfrica twin
Bought one last week...first bike so have nothing to compare it to.
First impressions...a whole lot of fun for a beginner and more than enough power for me for now.
Rode for 120km on the weekend and just loved it.
Brilliant - perfect for under there I would think....enjoy!
isn’t it too tall for a beginner? how did it go til now?
@@MarianChicu I would not think it is too tall. Theres a lot of compression in the suspension.
How does it do at highway speed? Like 110khr? I ride a big 1600 but miss the dual sport and want a small one to ride but need to hit highway speed to get to trails
@@nickgiard8553 Does 110 ok but any hill or headwind kills it. Offroad and going around 90ish I get 300km from a tank, at 110 with luggage it's down to 200.
This is the best review of the Rally on TH-cam. I purchased one after watching this, and I have to say I'm very happy with it. Power is fine, just have to keep the revs up a bit (around the 5000-8000 RPM range ) and she fair flies. I did find the gap from 1st to 2 nd gear a little tall (for trail riding that is) so I fitted a 13 tooth front sprocket. That changed the performance dramatically! Now it fair hammers and second gear is very usable in the tricky stuff. Revs bumped up another 500 RPM at highway speed (100 kph) to 6500 Rpm, so not revving too hard, and has plenty in reserve if needed. Great review, and great mini adventure bikes.
Glad yo like it!
I trusted my instincts, bought a 250 Rally. Literally the best decision I've ever made. I'm just thankful i wasn't swayed by people's input about "power" I'm not trying to wheelie through the hood I'm ADV riding its more than enough power.
Yes great bikes - I have a CRF300L review coming up soon....
A crf500l rally and i wouldn't need a different bike for the rest of my days. I like the xr600 or was that a 650? But it's too much of a dirtbike for me to like it more. But a Rally with Honda's cb/cbr 500 engine...yes please
Hgb Honda have the very best customer service. They deserve the shoutouts and as always you have done an amazing job reviewing this bike. Regards ...
Yes they are a nice bunch of blokes and are always very kind to me...thanks for the kind words...TMF
We just had this bike in our shop a couple weeks back, we loved it. A lot of fun to ride, and great both on and off-road! Awesome video!
Thank you!
I just bought a near new condition 2918 in black over silver. So far in love with it, but the suspension will be upgraded. I've had several big bore dual sporters but happy to slow down a bit now at 55yo. Very comfortable, just enough squirt, great road manners and pretty capable off road out of the box. Some knobbies and stiffer springs will make it great.
Same bike/year/color as me..and same age 😳.
Didn’t want to sell my Tiger1050, absolutely perfect big bike. So what do I do, go down to Dobles for a bit of window shopping. Brought the black/grey CRF, got a really good deal. Going in for 600mile service on Tuesday, I am loving this bike, especially when I take it off-road
Love the fairing and screen on this bike....I have just bought one after stalling for a while but I now know it's the right bike for me, it'll doing everything I want it to.
i saw one of these it looks so good. it looks like a mini africa twin
If only they's made the front look more like a mini AT I think they'd be onto a surefire winner (if they're not anyway).....
Exactly
It's a shame
But it's like s1000r headlight situation
I personally like it but some people don't
Thanks TMF!
As a 6'5" middle aged car driver about to take the plunge into the world of motorcycling (not been on 2 wheels since I used to mess around on Fizzies as a gangly youth), this could well be the machine for me. Love the channel, keep up the good work!
Nice one - and welcome (back) to biking!
Also worth mentioning the petrol tank cap that is the "normal" big bike kind of kit. Nothing wrong with the L or M cap which s in chrome and styled differently but some off-roaders complain for some reason. Wish Honda will make an upgrade kit for us L or M owners with the bigger capacity tank and maybe a performance kit to get it to the new engine performance. I was hoping they'll make this a 300 to say the truth. Could have been easily done since they have the cbr with a 300 already.
Yes I agree a 300cc version would be perfect, and yes, the tank cap is better on this than our twisty chrome things....
I have to say, it does look MUCH better in video than when seen in pictures. Wouldn't mind trashing one around. Good work as usual, Mr. Flyer.
Thank you Jiga - it is a much improved machine over the older CRFL like I have...
Just been in and Ordered one of these today. Should be perfect for the roads here. Now I've got to take my wife shopping again as I've bought yet another bike :D
Headlights remind me of a WW2 gas mask !
Exactly!
Yeah man
FENNER-G LMAO my man
WW1 used gas masks. Ww2 dropped bombs on each other heads
Own one of this, my first bike ever and actually trading it for the regular 250L. Where my buddies and I ride, its mostly rough trails and man, those fenders are weak on the Rally (don't DROP IT!) and shes an heavy lady with also an higher center of gravity!
After 5000km in one season on it wich 4000 of it were offroads, I can answer pretty much all questions about it if anyone has some! And I must say, more offroad capable you say? Gneh, really not sure about that one...!
Its a great bike for sure but not the good one for my actuals needs. I've brought it in places it has never been designed for.
+ 330km range (easily achievable)
+ nice look
+ comfortable seat position
+ those headlights make you really highly visible on the streets
+ winshield really useful during windy/chilly days
+ higher ground clearance than the standard L
-- have to be gentle with the bike and make sure to never drop it in rought trail (fenders are too weak)
-- stock tires are ''off road looking'', nothing more
-- seating position not agressive enough for trail riding
-- bike is quite heavy for offroad riding
Thanks for the real world feedback JNB!
Well thank you for all you mods videos! I know where to look when I'll be ready to modify my 250L for the next season!
I bought this today , 2018 with 900 miles on it with some nice extras as well 😏, the key to this bike is strangle it to the power zone 5-7500 rpms it loves it.
How do you rate it, I'm thinking of getting this for a cross country tour, should I be worried ?
FANTASTIC review.
Well Done.
Thoroughly enjoyed it.
It's a great bike. I can't believe all the comments about the freaking lights... If they shortened the cable loop you may experience interference from suspension travel or steering lock - is it worth it? Honda usually know what they are doing, I didn't say "always"... Good review! Pete.
I own a Suzuki bandit 1250 and just traded it in for one of these. I pick it up in a couple of days, and I'm very excited to get off the beaten track. It's going to be a slight power difference but it looks like it will be heaps of fun!
A huge power difference! But like you say - a hoot....exciting times eh?
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yep, really excited to get back into trail riding again, I hope to be able to do big road miles as well, might have to invest in a seat concepts seat as well I think! The mods you've done to your CRF250L will come in handy in the future, thanks for the really great videos!
Thank you , for your reviews!!!! I live in Latvia and even i understand every word you say. Nice and clear review. In short time you gave me all information witch i needed. Good luck!!!!
Thank you Vlad - glad to be of use!
I have been looking at numerous reviews as I am looking at purchasing a new motorbike (dual purpose) after selling my Yamaha XT600E a couple of years ago. Your reviews have been extremely helpful into narrowing my choices down to 2.....the Honda CRF250 Rally or the KTM 390 Adventure!!! Both seem like perfect options for what I'm looking for but am leaning a bit towards the KTM but need to do a bit more homework with regard to service spares and back up service here in South Africa. Keep up with your excellent reviews...!!!
In Russia we have a Chinese copy of this bike that’s called Motorland Dakar 250 in 2 versions LT and ST which cost 176000 rubbles and 187000 rubbles. People are loving them!
What a great looking bike.. With the 500 twin in there it would be brilliant
Yes that would be fun - even better if they gave it the AT lights rather than the Lord Buckethead ones....!
If only it was 450cc category twin or triple would do me just fine.
Excellent review. I went for a test ride on one of these earlier this year and I liked it that much I bought one, and I don't regret it at all. She's been a really good fun ride with quite a bit of pep for a 250. She handles really well on our rough roads too. Cheers
Yes I agree - great bike....
After watching your videos/reviews for a few years now, I notice you do seem to have a thing about white van drivers, I am a white van driver, I am also a white CB1100 rider and a Honda CRV driver (the family car). I also used to be a subscriber to your channel and stumbled across this review, merely because I am interesting in purchasing the 2018 version of this bike, I enjoyed watching your review of the bike and it has helped me further in deciding whether to continue with my purchase, so I thank you for that, but I don't understand your comments about white van drivers, I guess us bikers (you included) also get our fair share of negativity from other road users. Anyway, thanks for your review of the bike. Kind Regards, Paul from the UK.
I have nothing against White Van Drivers! I'd love one myself....it's just I always seem to get stuck behind 'em.....
I guess we all have to try and share the roads, it would be nice to live in the middle of nowhere for fantastic biking roads with no traffic, but then there would probably be less work available (unless we can work from home of course). Thanks for the reply and the review once again, it helped, thanks, Paul.
I was about to get this bike but I opted for a used WR250R and a bunch of new mods for the same price. Spent 3k on the bike, ordered all new plastics, FMF Q4 + Mega Bomb, Pro Taper Bars and Grips, 48T Gearing, Flatlands Skip Plate (oh and it needs a new Countershaft Seal). All came to about 4.2K and will probably get a few more tarty bits over time. So far pretty happy.
Nice one!
I love your review on the Honda Crf 250 rally with the Gas Mask on it , good job keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
big bore kit needed to get most out of these imo, too bad they didn't make them 300cc from the get go.
Loganx5 totally agree
I thought the 250 in this felt fine - certainly better than my 2014 250L - but overall I agree a little more poke wouldn't go amiss...300-350cc would have been perfect I reckon...
250cc is the way to go on the far eastern market, which is way more important for Honda in this category than the EU and US market combined.
So, how about a BMW G310 GS then? 169kg, 34 hp, 11 liter tank and 30 km/l and 180mm travel both sides....
interesting little bmw but not really a trail bike
Great review. I've currently got a VFR750, which is a lovely bike, but I think I'm going to chop it in for a Rally. easier maintenance, lighter, better riding position, can ride in winter coz it's easier to was salt out, can do some light off roading...
This is the future of engine size etc. for adventure bikes, keep the faith, massive CC engines are history... your thoughts mate
I tend to agree....
I am glad you mentioned the front brake tube sticking out in an unsatisfactory way. That is the first thing I saw. Additionally, the view of the cockpit seems less than great. The bike looks great from other angles, however. The seat is not comfy looking, but that is always subjective. The price is actually quite agreeable! Thanks for the information!
Minor niggles from me though, for it's purpose I think the CRF 250L's are great bikes...(but then I'm biased as I have one!)
Great review ! Thanks to you i own one of these now :)
Very good motorcycle, great build quality compared to other A2 bikes (BMW 310gs disappointed me on test ride) . It's not super powerful but in my experience it never seems to lack power, handling is easy and effortless.
I agree - great bikes! Enjoy and ride safe....
A nice wee machine this CRF. Hope you enjoyed your test ride!
I did indeed!
Thanks for the videos. I believe the new crf250l ..2017...has had engine changes to improve performance, also changes to the air box and exhaust etc...so I should imagine the 2017 crf250l has the same performance as the rally you test rode.
Yes indeed Penny, I think you are right....a useful upgrade to the 250L!
Looks good.. except the headlights hah. Very well rounded review as always!
Thank you!
Phantom Rides It looks really cool in reality. Didn’t like it from the photos either.
Went for a test ride last month, it's an ideal bike for beginner riders for pretty much any terrain (easy to handle, very forgiving throttle response), lightweight, nimble even with a heavy rider, comfortable. Seat height is great for persons with average height (the suspension compresses nicely). Great for commuting. Things I didn't like: lack of gear indicator, the side compartment is flimsy (it popped open when I mounted the bike), budget side stand. Very positive experience overall.
Yes I'd agree with pretty much all that...cheers!
Engine changes for both the Rally and L, 2mm larger injector, larger headpipe, different injecton map which seems to have worked well. Rally recieved larger front brake, L did not. I have been waiting to here the impression of the engine changes and power output. Thank you.
Good to hear both variants got the mods, they are definitely noticeable and the bike feels adequate as stock (where as the old CRF L in my opinion, didn't).....
Enjoyed your Live Stream this evening. With the current popularity of small capacity 'Adventure Bikes' (inc. this CRF), any chance of reviewing the Suzuki VStrom 250; Kawasaki Versys 300; and the amazing looking Chinese/Italian Benelli TRK 502?
Hope your voice is better.
Love the look of this "Rally" model.
Can't buy this in London with on street parking. It will be nicked on the 1st night for sure.
sadly you're probably right....
ReerBaadia Unless you tie a 🦁 on it lol
honestly, which bike won't?
Is it possible I'm the only one who just loves that Honda bikes have the horn and indicators buttons in the "wrong" position? My first bike has them in the usual position and I've always complained about it.
Have been looking at Rally myself nice design & practical for bit of off roading . But I would have to get rid of a bike. Brake hose is like that for long suspension travel .
I wondered if that was the issue...cheers for confirming...
Another good review fella , the best thing about the lights is you can't see them when riding lol , but love the bike
Very true sir, very true...(and just as well)....
Nice review. I was looking at buying a motorbike for driving to and on the farm and was contemplating the CRF Rally or CRF250L. I will buy the CRF250L and keep the £750 cash saving after your desfription and explanantions of the differences.
Great review. Not sure why the Rally and L appear to sound different as they share the same exhaust components.
I really fancy one of these for the winter!
Good call!
Very good review. I’ve been stuck between this and a KLX250... I’ve always been a Honda guy so, I’ll probably got with the CRF. The more I look at it the more I like it. And I know those headlights are ugly but I like em.
Somebody had to! ;0)
G’day there
Mate that was a great review very comprehensive on the bike , can’t wait to get mine
Thanks
Glad you found it so Adrian - thanks for watching!
Looking up for crf 250l rally for 5' 8" and then found your video. Thanks for the good review
Great video, review, keep the coming...you boys are proud of the size of lic plates, sure takes away the looks.
Thanks, Wa.State fan
I'm not sure I've ever met anyone in the UK that likes the size of our registration (not licence) plates....!!
Every time I look at the front of my Rally ,I think about the Lord Bucket Head reference. Funny!
Nice review TMF. Taking delivery of mine on Monday!
Congratulations Robert - enjoy!
This is the nicest looking bike out of all dual sports. Undisputed...
Well I'd dispute that but it is still a great bike!
Great review as always. I’m looking at one of these to get into green laning as I’m only an hour from Salisbury plain. I have a 2019 Tiger 800 XCA but think that’s probably abit too much Bike to start out on and your review, as always, has helped me decide between the L and Rally. Do you know if there are many changes between this 2017 model and today?
None other than cosmetic - I did Salisbury Plain recently, your tiger would be perfect there!
TheMissendenFlyer thanks for the speedy response. Did you video your ride? Whilst very experienced on road I’ve never done any green laning and like the idea of the rally as it’s light by comparison to the Tiger. Will build up to the bigger bike in a couple of years.
Thought I recognized those roads......used to live and work round there. Had a few Xmas parties at pub you stopped at. Like the CRF rally and think it looks good. They need to make a 600 class bike that is still light and agile. Couldn't replace my ccm644 with one though. The Honda weighs around the same with half the power and lower spec suspension. I fitted a 25 ltr tank and upgraded the seat a little for longer trips. Just need to sort a screen now. Keep up the vids👍
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
Love the bendy signals, My 250l is in need of a set...
@ 7.00, why do all trail/supermoto bikes have a big cable loop like that when other styles of bike don't seem to need it? Curious to know.
Wish I knew - perhaps something to do with the expected large amount of suspension travel?
Agree... some mfg's definately go further beyond what's necessary. Beta certainly does.
glad to see this one! as I've recently been fantasising about getting a bike, this was top of the list for a (potential) beginner like me. Generally love the ADV styles of bike and this looks great. nice to hear the differences to the crf250L too. Top stuff as always TMF.
Glad my timing helped - and yes one of these would make a cracking first bike...cheers -TMF
Nice honest review mate. Would like to see you compare it to the kwak versus 300.
You never know - stay tuned!
would save money and get the crf 250l, a fews mods its fantastic..
Hi there the TMF. The video was great as always! I ride both sports bikes (BMW S1000RR and Ducati 1299 superleggera) and dirt bikes (KTM 200 EXC and KTM 250 SX). You may want to review the KTM 350 EXCF which is road legal and a powerful and grewt bike for road and offroad use! Thanks again, Robert
Yes I'd love a go at one of those - so far I've not been able to get my hands on one though unfortunately....
I took this bike out again today for a final ride before I decided to buy it or not, it was a not for me decided it was not for me due to the lack of go in the thing. A surprise of the day was then taking the Honda 500x out which turned out to be a peach of a bike with lots of go where you needed it. Green lanes on this would be easy with a set of suitable tyres they are used by the Honda off road academy for the beginners. So what to choose🤔 got to check the new Benelli TRK502 out tomorrow . You really have to look at this bike and what you get for the money. Check it out.
David Archibald: before you make a purchase, try the NC750X DCT; you’ll love it 😊 I’ve done 2300 miles on mine in 4 months and over that period it’s averaged 94mpg.
bts jimin I took one out last week I used to have the NC700x. The 750x was a lot better engine wise than the 700x but it's a case of had one lets have something else. I have a new GS Adventure so looking for something to use in the winter and around town.
Top notch review, actually thinking of getting one to go with my Wr250r
Thank you Jack - would make a nice couple in the garage!
TheMissendenFlyer , I believe it would, keep up the great reviews and videos
Great review, as for the front the project manager must have been on the Saki all night when he signed that off.
Agreed!
Great review. Been looking at one of these for the daily commute.
Would be great (assuming you're not doing long motorway miles)....
Great review, just looking to pull the trigger... would you say the Rally was as good as the 250L for green laning?
Good review as per TMF.
Now I've just got the missus sorted out with an upgrade from the MT-03 to 07 I am already hankering after one of these for a winter bike. Hmmmmmm
Love watching your vids mate keep doing what you do Have you done a review of the new vfr?
Ni I haven't....but stay tuned you never know! Cheers - TMF
Are you going to the Triumph launch at Hinckley on the 3rd Oct? Looks like another bobber/Cruiser type bike is being announced.
Well I did get an invite this time :0)
excellent review mate. please, how do you start the bike? Do you need to keep the key on it for it to start?
Well in it as normal....
Honda I beg you please build 450 or 600 cc version of this for dealer purchase
I think it’d be a great bike for me. I don’t give a tinker’s cuss about styling. When you’re in the mountains of Mongolia, where I live, it’d be the most stylish bike for thousands of kilometres. At the moment, I ride a Honda Transalp 600v which is a bit heavy and cumbersome for serious off roading but it’s probably nicer for long road riding between mountain ranges.
Interesting review Mr Flyer Sir. Would you make similar mods for the exhaust and power output as you did on your 250l, or do you feel the improvements to the rally model are enough to rule them out. I fancy a small second bike for the winter and the 250l, or the rally may be ideal.
+Mash M Actually no I wouldn’t, the Rally felt as fast as my L as stock - I may add an exhaust but that would only be a vanity thing to make it louder, power wise the Rally is all there out of the box.
Great content as ever. I'm looking at 250's at the mo' so this was handy.
Did notice the mic was rather crackly today though. :/
Sorry about that!
Honda need to put the 500 twin engine from the CB500X in this with a few modifications and call it the 500 Africa Twin. Surely a win win for Honda.
...if it will fit...
Love that pub, does some cracking food. Well worth taking Mrs Missenden Flyer there for a meal..... Great review, of a great bike, can't really go wrong there. Agree with cabling is a mess though.....
It's nice that they improved the exhaust make it lighter and sounding better, a bigger fuel tank, ABS, and a nice dash with a tachometer. BUT...they made it taller and heavier, not nice for me on offroad situations. and in full honesty there's too much plastic to break from a fall offroad too. and a plastic skidplate??...nah
If it would be me I would still get the standard CRF250L ABS and spend the rest of the money for a proper rear shock and a front spring.
great review BTW. THUMPS UP!
Cheers Ripmax333 always good to hear from you buddy!
Hey mate have you tried Kawasaki's KLX 250? If so how does this Crf250Rally compared to it (especially power wise)? And 2nd question, does the weight difference slows this bike down compared to the regular Crf250L, or the Rally got a much more powerful engine than the regular L? Cheers...
No I've not ridden the Kwak so I can't comment. The Rally and L are effectively the same bike in terms of power IIRC....
TheMissendenFlyer so the extra weight in this bike didn't make it slightly inferior compared to the lighter L? btw thanks for the reply man really helped me :D
What is it with the amounts of white van man we have in the UK!!!! Nice bike though and interesting review
You tell me! The whole economy must hinge on them.....
some of us have a white van and a bike.
Shock horror...
you should do a review about a transit van (obviously white) and see how slow it drives through country lanes, how well it drives hogging both sides of the carriageway so no one can get past and how much crap you can fill it up with so you can fly tip in the country lanes. Or you could do another bike review?
TheMissendenFlyer don't worry, it does 👍
If you had to ride a bike every day, would you choose the 250 rally or the 310gs?
Probably the 310gs
I just got this bike in Bangkok, it's well suited for chaotic third-world urban riding. For instance you can drive on the sidewalks to get around traffic jams. Haven't used it in the countryside yet.
Nice one
The review I've been waiting for :) Glad you liked it. Just for clarification: would you recommend spending the extra bit of cash (a bit more than just a bit actually, when we're talking about this end of the market, 14,62% more to be exact) for a Rally instead of an L? Also, would you yourself trade in your L for a Rally (with paying the difference)? And most importantly: would you say it's worth getting the Rally instead of a considerably cheaper option of getting a used L?
I know, tough questions :) So I'll throw one easier in because I'm nice like that: have you had any issues with the seat height and stability when stopping? Think you could have a problem with it on rough offroad terrain?
Thanks for making these videos btw, I wouldn't get mad if you decide to skip answering these questions, you already make the youtube motorcycling community much more informative :) Cheers!
I guess the used L model is the best route to go on a budget... Personally, I would get the Rally based on my test ride.
Hi Leuff always good to talk to you! To take your questions directly..."would you recommend spending the extra bit of cash" - Yes, definitely worth it. " would you yourself trade in your L for a Rally (with paying the difference)" - No, the differences aren't huge enough now I've heavily modded my "L" to make paying the extra worthwhile. " would you say it's worth getting the Rally instead of a considerably cheaper option of getting a used L?" - if you can afford it then yes, the Rally is a much better bike all round, I was very surprised how much I liked it more than the "L". "have you had any issues with the seat height and stability when stopping? Think you could have a problem with it on rough offroad terrain?" - No I've not had any serious issues, I'd be lying to say it wouldn't be better if the seat was an inch lower, but if I was that concerned I would get it lowered (not hard on these to swap out or mod the "dog bone" suspension link).....and thanks for the kind words - all the best - TMF
Great review TMF as always 👍 please, if you remember is it lacking power when overtaking cars on regular roads?
Depends how fast they're going - but generally, yes.......
Great review once again TMF.
I was thinking more WW2 gas mask when I looked at the front end
Regards SBK Pete
Yes that's it!
no, its the eye of a fly
Yes, I can see that, however I quite like the asymmetrical look.
I think they look very similar at the front to the africa twin with the lights, I don't like it either myself, but I guess some will love it
Yes I'm not keen on the looks of the AT either, shame 'cos otherwise both these bikes are fabulous....
TheMissendenFlyer definitely agree with that, seems like it's hard to choose a bike nowadays cause they are all so good
Great video as normal ,been thinking of getting one of these for green lanes ,have you any plans of doing the new Suzuki sv650 I here it's a good bike for low end price middle weight another possibility?
No plans at present but I will ask the question!
Nice review as alway's TMF....... just wondering how it compares to the cb500x as an every day bike.
Dunno - not ridden the cb500X yet I'm afraid :0(
Thinking of getting one for a winter bike, would you recommend that Missenden flyer ?
Yep!
@@TheMissendenFlyer awesome also looking at the CRF450RX and the yamaha xt660
Great review as usual. How was the seat height (you're the same height as me) ?
Fine - was a little higher than the standard CRF but in tippy toe all was well....
Good review and def consider it for first bike. Could anything be done to suspension for short asses. Swap out springs? Change seat?
Well the "dog bone" could certainly be modded I reckon....
I recently passed my test and today test rode this bike. It infuriated me, I wanted to hate it and rule a 250 out so I could concentrate on getting a 600-700cc ish bike, however I smiled for the 20 odd miles I was out! The newer “rally” version is a bit out of my price range, and was looking initially at the 250L. How well do they compare? Hoping to get out on a 250L (second hand as the rally only had 60 miles on) and try it soon. Would happily do some of the mods, especially the fuel tank upgrade as although I won’t be touring, I think I’ll prefer to know I have a few extra miles spare as I live in the sticks.
Cheers for all the videos, very helpful.
Jack
The 250L compares very well - i think you'll love it! (I love mine!)....all the best - TMF
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think I will too. Was worried I would get bored of it as my main bike but I think you could have so much fun on it I just won't get bored! Cheers again.
I got myself a 2017 CRF250L a few weeks ago which still has stock exhaust on it (plan to upgrade it at some point), and i can't figure out why Honda put the horn and indicator switch in opposite places? I've probably spooked pedestrians at least a couple of times when i went for the turn signal and honked the horn instead by accident.
Tell me about it!!
great video as always
Thank you.....
You're just not an asymmetrical sort of a guy, are you? Usual well-presented and reasoned review; thanks for posting.
You noticed? And you are quite correct, symmetry is the way to go surely?
Great bike and an extra few CCs and bhp would make it much more popular in the UK... thanks for another great review TMF 👍
Cheers Pineapple Sup - good to hear from you as always.....
Great review as always! Have you ever thought about reviewing a Harley?
+Douglas Ward Yep
If you had to pick one bike to do the London commute including a 10 mile stint on the M25 and be a capable off road bike for occasional use on a weekend, would you pick this one?
Probably not no - I’d rather use my Street Triple for that....
I’d definitely get this, the street triple obviously can’t do off road. Wr250r is an amazing bike.
It seems like with the shift to the medium displacement adventure bikes (I'm thinking the KTM 790 Adventure et. al.), what if there were a CRF450L Rally? Wouldn't it just hit the spot?
Not at £9k!!