I was actually thinking to watch this movie on netflix, but after seeing this I think I don't need to waste my time on this or on the new version. Someone wrote this movie after licking a toad or something.
I saw this in the theater when it first came out. As people entered the theater, there was an usher handing out fliers that were supposed to help explain what was going on in the movie. That's when we knew it was going to be a mess.
The first time i saw Patrick Stewart holding a Pug, rushing into battle, yelling "Long Live Duke Leto!" For a brief second I thought the Pug's name was Duke Leto. :)
@@bryanyoung8392 I genuinely don't envy anyone who would have to translate Alia's character from the first book into film. She's physically 2 years old - which means she'd have a child's voice. BUT she spoke with all the clarity and understanding of an adult because of the spice she was exposed to in the womb. This causes a problem because you could never ever find a child actor young enough to read her lines clearly. No matter what, she'd have to be dubbed. The problem is they dubbed her with........whatever the hell that was supposed to be. It's very distracting because it's clearly an adult pretending to use a child voice dubbed over her own line reading (which undoubtedly they couldn't use. This kid clearly wasn't 2 - probably 5 or 6 - but can you imagine her trying to actually say Kwisatz Haderach?). It wouldn't be easy to pull off, and this movie definitely didn't pull it off.
I have to find one right away! It was David Lynch’s weirdness that helped me discover the weirdness of Frank Herbert! 😇🙏🥰 I also had a cat named Feyd….
Best comment ever because fitting as heck. But yet, I was in awe of Dune, mesmerized by the weirdness and still retain a soft spot for that movie that is as twisted as is Jonathan the Seagul. It seems some movies can only be enjoyed while being high as a kite....
My favorite bit of Dune movie trivia is Sting was going to do a full frontal nude scene but the production team panicked at the last minute and they made that weird winged underwear thing about an hour before the scene was filmed.
*Screaming* DUNE IS A CLASSIC, YOU HAVE NO... (Wife, from the other room) Is someone bad-mouthing the 1984 version of Dune, again? *Still screaming* YES! AND THEY... (Wife, again) Are they wrong? *Awkward silence* ...No.
A Sci-Fi nerd would know that a "standard day" is a day as it lasts on the reference planet (probably Caladan in this case). Since they are moving planets (to Arakis), a day is not the same length, but they still measure time according to their home time for archival consistency.
I think a "standard day" would be the day of either humanity's home world (Planet Earth) or the empire's capital (Planet Kaitain). I don't remember if the novels defined a standard day, but most SF I've read that uses the term bases it on Earth's 24-hour day.
Fun Fact: the inner narration of the main protagonist and essencially everybody in this movie was added because the studio thought that people could get bored if there was silent scenes of visual exposition and because they thought people could not understand what was happening on screen unless somebody explicity spell it out for them. This also happend with Blade Runner but Harrison Ford fought against it since it could make the movie sound boring and overly "stupid" even if the movie was more like a Cyberpunk Noir, with Dune was also added in a way to make it feel like a fantastical fairytale kinda movie, and of course to add an hour extra to the movie so you could properly know what the hell is happening and what everything is and how it works, in short terms bad bad writting all across the board.
There was just something off with the pacing of some of those 70s-80s sci fi movies. Dune, Blade Runner, 2001, even the first Star Trek movie, just wasted so much screen time not getting anywhere... The mini series of Dune which came out on TV in 2000, was better able to convey the story because they had more time to. I remember reading Blade Runner and it would have worked better as a multi part mini series as well.
The cinematography in this film was brilliant. The screenplay sucked eggs. If you actually read the book, they got through less than half the book in the first one and three quarters hours. Then, they tried to get the second half in during the last 20-ish minutes. The second half of the book was much more interesting than the first. NOT ENOUGH SINS!
Back when I was a spry, nerdy little kid back in ‘84, I loved this movie. The special effects were breathtaking. Fast forward to ‘21, and watching this on Netflix was… probably one of the most boring experiences that I have had during this pandemic. I didn’t last 45 minutes before I just outright fell asleep. Not even the jaw-dropping ‘80s graphics could save this film.
I read that they asked Frank Herbert about the movie and he said that he couldn't follow it. That says a lot about how bad the screenplay was if even the author gets lost.
@@ghost307 Only because they tried squeezing Lord of the Rings into a single movie. The SYFY version had a bit of that too, especially with their time skips between "episodes". I mean it certainly would have helped to have location and time data. TBH this story can only be done justice in a longer series format.
I have a friend who went to one of the original screenings of this movie back in 1984. He told me that the theater had to hand out a printed synopsis/glossery to guests as they entered so they wouldn't be too confused while watching the movie.
I am really surprised nobody did a recut/redub of Star Trek: TNG yet. With all the American Dad and other treasures that they could use to make Picard Comedy ;).
It's been a long time since i read the book, so i may be misremembering, but i believe those personal shields have made firearms irrelevant in their universe. The shields stop things that are moving fast, but let through slow moving things, so fighting is all about occupying the opponent's fast blocking sword with your own, while trying t sneak your knife through the shield at a slower speed.
Love how all the Fremen are white. It literally says in the book that they are descendants of the Egyptians. And they live a planet with no clouds and intense sum
Although much of this movie's dialogue and action might be as stiff as a sand worm, Paul's stiff as a board room entering abilities could not have been Dune any better.
and douriff was trying to portray a character that thought faster than regular humans because if imperial conditioning. yeah, jeremy should have read the book first.
Lets be honest, the book doesn't exactly flow all the time dialogue-wise. David Lynch didn't help matters. Not to mention the constant inner dialogues. Watching this in 1988 for the first time - loved it. Watching this in 2020 again: if you need that much inner dialogue, you need to learn how to write a good script.
"Standard day" matters because of space travel and time dilation. Time isnt constant, so a "standard day" is likely 1 full solar cycle on the planet, not a dilated, warped one
Nope. Standard days ON EARTH, which ,as any other planet is unlikely to have a day of 24 hours, and a year of 365 1/4 days, means that the original clock system has somehow been ossified a long time ago in this era. But also for "us humans" who still experience 24 hour days to understand.
@@alexsmith2885 No. If a day on Arakis was 30 hours long, then (estimation) only 48 days would pass, but since 24 hours is the standard, based on Earth time, then 63 standard days pass. Its the same in Star Wars.
Virginia Madsen was the only reason that I watched it to begin with. So yes, I much prefer her pleasant face over a book that's scrolling across the opening screen. Not to mention, her voice is incredibly soothing.
Hilariously funny! I know you guys don't give a frak about the book, but I have just a few comments. The Fremen trust Paul immediately because he fulfills their core prophecy (which was created by the Bene Gesserit). Chani isn't Paul's girlfriend; she is his concubine by Fremen law. Everybody was terrified of Alia (except Paul). The place the Bene Gesserit cannot see is the genetic memory of men, because the minds of men are scary. This is actually true.
Also the Bene Gesserit can control the sex of their baby, which under the Bene Gesserit breeding program, she was to produce a daughter, so having a son was Jessica's conscious choice, her falling in love with Leto wasnt part of the plan, nor her choice to grant him his wish for a son.
I think its less because the mind of men are scary and more that women just don't have chromosomes necessary to access that part of their genetic memory. Its literally just a void, that's what scares them.
In a galactic society with populations on many planets that can have very different rotation and orbital periods, having a standardized day/month/year is a good idea. In fact, it's a neccessity for the sake of planning and scheduling. That way it doesn't matter if your planet rotates once every 10 hours and orbits once every 800 days (to say nothing of what relativistic travel and time-dilation would do), a standard day is always the same.
6:42 "...I guess I should've read the book first..." I had read the book before I saw this back in the 80s, and the movie still seemed pretty incomprehensible.
I love Dune (84) so much- it has such a warm place in my heart. And this is easily the funniest and best EWW you have ever done. I was cracking up the whole time. Well done! Statue to the Biggest bong rip had me dying
I was in high school when this Dune movie was released. I'm proud to say everyone in my AP, college prep, totally genius & wonderfully nerdy group of friends. (I still wonder why or how, like Screech, I was part of their group.) We were all excited to see the movie being huge fans of the books. Naturally, we all cut class & went to see the premier. About 20 of us were sitting together in a big block, dead center. It was so quiet as everyone in the theater was watching intently. When the father, Leto Atreides, said he'll "Miss the sea" all of us, in unison, like some La La Land, pre-rehearsed, never happen in real life moment, shouted... "After what happened in DAS Boot?!?!" Almost everyone in the theater burst out laughing & clapping. Those few who didn't get the reference were quickly told and, well... it was the best part of the whole movie. I'd forgotten that Dune movie experience till Cinema Sins reminded me. Thanks for the memory refresh and as always your entertaining review of this movie.
The 1984 Dune is really for those who have some familiarity for the Dune universe and trying to add the explanations for the movie's head scratching questions would make the movie 10 hours long. The SyFy mini-series and new movie was and is taking the time to explain some of the rather dry reasons. Take the personal shields for instance, the books go into detail of why they are not common (expensive, power consuming, hard to work with) and the nuclear explosive reason they are not used with energy weapons and I do mean thermonuclear explosive reason.
yeah, but there's no reason that they couldn't use the energy shields AND armour underneath it. Stick a coat of plate mail underneath and an energy shield on top and you are invincible save for being crushed by something ungodly heavy yet somehow still slow moving. Likewise, why not use an energy shield on aircraft or something like a tank to make THAT invincible too? The reality is that the shields only exist as part of this bizarre fascination with hyper-advanced technology mixed with archaic hand to hand melee combat.
@@steik6414 Well anyone with a las gun can end you (and absolutely everyone in your zip code) still. Thats one of the reasons they aren't all that common, same with las guns. The risk of accidentally blowing everything to hell is too high. And imagine the opportunities they would present to terrorists... Oh if I just shot that weird box thing with this flashlight its a nuclear bomb? Great!
@@HIMPDahak None of that explains why no one wears armour under the personal shields. Even just chain mail would make you almost invincible save for lasguns, which are basically never used by anyone, or at least certainly not in any instance that might interrupt the "noble warrior" narrative, anyway. In the book they go to the ridiculous lengths to train in this absurd fighting style to counter the shields by moving slowly instead of just putting on a suit of armour underneath the shield that can only be penetrated by something moving quickly. Instead of spending decades perfecting a perfect fighting style against the personal shields how about you put on some steel plate, tackle the idiot who showed up the the personal shield fight without any armour underneath it, and stab them in the face while they harmlessly drag a dagger along your steel plate. Its not complicated, the only reason they don't do that is because it doesn't fit Herbert's narrative. The term for it is "contrived".
Wish Lynch would’ve been given the budget to craft a Dune trilogy. Visually stunning, moody acting, and Lynch nails a certain other-worldly tone of cosmic grandeur. A noble effort, a big swing… that ultimately misses because the screenplay sucks, ultimately sinking the movie.
Lynch wasn’t a big fan of Dune though, so it’s hard to say whether he would’ve done Frank Herbert’s novel justice or if it would’ve been similar to what we got, just slightly better.
@@sahil2551 Yes, it was visually stunning and the sound design was awesome, that being said nothing was explained, we don't know anyone's motives for doing anything. The Spicediver fan edit explains everything. The 1984 version is infinitely more quotable as well. Watch the 2012 Spicediver fan edit Peace!
I think I understood the most of it ,I think things will become more clear once all parts are released since its not loke dune is a complete movie on its own
@@stevenmacaulay8807 There were miniseries... I liked them, but I love the original film, warts and all. But an HBO version of Dune might be worth seeing.
4:21 If someone is forcing your hand into something you expect to cause pain, fear is a factor. Perhaps you've mastered taking a fearless approach to scary situations. Nevertheless, your mind/brain doesn't naturally go "I'm not facing a choice, therefore I'm not generating the stimulus known as fear."
A dune fan would understand the point of the shield wall is to protect the city from sand storms, not enemy aircraft, he’d understand the significance of Chani being the daughter of Liet-Keynes, he’d understand the significance of there never being rain on Arrakis. All he showed in this video is that he understands that the movie sucks, not that he understands or appreciates dune
@@totallyofftask I think you make great points. I would remind you that this is Movie Sins… so their approach and jokes need to be from the movie, not the book. Let’s be real… the Lynch Dune glosses over many aspects of the novel. Just the nature of movie making. Just as this video can and should only focus on what is delivered from within the movie.
@@Xavior357 true, the movie fails to properly explain anything from the book. It was so bad that during the initial screenings back in the 80s, the theaters had to give people little booklets telling them what was going on
@@totallyofftask I had heard about the booklets describing the various factions and their background. It was too ambitious for it’s time. But still has such a strange feeling of “otherness” to it… it’s uniquely captivating for that crazy art house vibe it has. And for that, I love it. The book and it’s various themes was so strange to me when I first read it… seems fitting for that movie to have that sense as well. I really wish we had gotten a Lynch treatment of The Golden Path and Leto II’s role. That would have been some crazy stuff.
Wait, Patrick Stewart was in Dune?!? SIR Patrick Stewart? The guy who we can add to WIllie Nelson and Steve Martin as The Men Who Have Looked Exactly The Same For The Last 40 Years?
Heh. You should also look up a cheesy/bad/fun horror movie called "Lifeforce" from a year or so later. Patrick Stewart has a small but quite memorable role in it.
He does actually look a fair bit younger here. He hasn't changed much, but he's aged. There are actually quite a few notable actors in this. Generally peripheral characters, regrettably.
Fuck it, I love this movie. It's a pretty bad adaptation, but the performance, cinematography, editing, acting and soundtrack are outstanding. Everyone enjoys hating this movie, but I love it.
I have read the books several times and I'm really looking forward to the new movie but I also liked this older version. It differs in places from the book but it stuck close to the original story. I rewatch it every now and then because I enjoy it. When it first came out in theaters my friend and I were so impressed we hid in the bathroom after the first showing and snuck back in to watch the movie a 2nd time. I was 14 when I first saw the movie and I went straight home and begged my parents for the books till they bought them for me.
I love the books and that’s why I hate this movie so much!!! That end is an insult to anyone who read the books! Is not close to the original story! Is the exact opposite!!! The scream and the rain, Paul being almost a God!! That’s not Dune’s end!!!! That’s not the story!!! I hate that so much!!! More than the useless gross things that they did with the Baron! Who also is not the same character of the book! He is smut and smart and speak calmly, not that raging disgusting thing that they made him in the movie!!! That Baron could never be smart enough to do the plans within plans that he does in the books!!! I even prefer the mini series over this books, bc even with the horrible effects and shady acting it was still way more close to the book!
@@talitafranco7230 just like the original Dune book, this movie is also a product of its time and constraints. Like many movies they took creative liberties with the story, it's tone, narrative and characters. It was trying to be too much like a thinky Star Wars. Most of us that were older when this version came out were just happy to see Dune on the big screen, because it had been widely held that it could never be made at all. So, we took it faults and all and were happy with it generally. We picked it apart, but it was a love hate relationship I guess. Have you seen Under The Skin? There is a movie I hated! I read the book, more than once and loved (love) it, but the movie is nothing like the book. NOTHING, like the book.
@@talitafranco7230 You must, and I mean ABSOLUTELY MUST see the Spice Diver edit of Lynch's Dune if you haven't already. It's the best version of Dune I've ever seen so far. Barring issues with the Baron that only scripting and acting could fix, you'll probably be surprised.
I remember watching this as a teenager and saying, "what the hell did I watch?" I've seen this many times and it still baffles me. I always feel like they left a lot out and the movie needed to be at least 6 hrs to truly understand it. Granted I've yet to read the book.
In order to properly adapt the first Dune book (out of six in the main series, plus seventeen other novels) without skipping things, think more two full length LOTR films. Probably three.
David Lynch actually wanted the movie to be like 4 hours long if I recall but the studio wasn't having it and they cut a bunch out. I would love to see the movie Lynch originally intended. Just like with Twin Peaks, the execs don't understand art. All they know and care about is butts in seats and making more money than they spent.
There is a reason that the new one is splitting the book into two films. The book isn't that long, but it is extremely dense and fitting it into two hours and change cannot end well. I have tickets to watch the new film tomorrow. But if you want a better adaption of the full book, the SciFi miniseries is a much better adaption of the story. It doesn't have the stunning visuals of Lynch's film (it isn't bad, it did win Emmys for them, but the Lynch film is a high bar) and it has the limitations of being a SciFi miniseries, but it is well worth watching if you are interested in a more complete adaption. There is also a follow up covering the next two books.
@@Drengade what are these seventeen other novels? All I am aware of is some trash fanfic his son wrote. I read the House trilogy, the Butlerian Jihad trilogy, and their two sequel books before finally deciding it wasn't worth the effort.
*sees Jack Nance, an actor that has had at least a featuring if not starring role in every David Lynch movie since Eraserhead, in a David Lynch movie* *wonders aloud why he's getting so many lines* *DING*
I dunno, pugs are victims of a dystopian nightmare ready, with their eyes falling out and their nasal passages being crimped shut thanks to selective breeding...
I saw Dune in the movie theatre when it came out in 1984. Had I not been sitting next to my friend who had absolutely devoured the Dune books, I would never have been able to figure out what the fuck was going on. Sting sure looked cool, though.
9:40 I'm like 90% sure you guys would know this, but just in case, that's Jack Nance. He was a good friend of David Lynch's and appeared in pretty much all of Lynch's projects, starting with Eraserhead, until his death in the 90s.
I saw this version of Dune once on tv, and I can only remember the giant worms. The only thing that I can remember about the plot is that it was so hard to follow. So when I saw the new version, I remembered some things from the older movie and it was way easier to tell what was going on. And in the end, the new movie met my expectations and I'm looking forward to a sequel.
"Walk without rhythm..." - wait a minute, my brain is itching! Where have I heard that before? Ah. Ok. I never knew realised Dune is where the lyrics Bootsy Collins sings in Fatboy Slim's 'Weapon Of Choice' came from. You learn something new every day.
To be perfectly honest it isn't possible to make a movie that could justice to any of the science fiction books that won the nebula award in the 60s. It was the golden era basically, they're timeless literary classics.
@@lukecash3500 Excuse, as in a reason given that something cannot be done. There is no reason Dune cannot be brought to the big screen with the key themes intact so long as the talent and funding are present. Again, the exact same excuse was used for LotR and it was successfully brought to the screen, not simply commercially but keeping the core principals of the story as written intact. Now any Dune book after the original would be far more difficult given how far they stray from a marketable story for the mass movie going audience and the tremendous lack of action present in them but the original can certainly be done properly. I am only talking about the Frank Herbert books as the Brian Herbert ones are simplistic trash with the focus shifted from intelligence to action and is therefore easier to make into a film. I don't see that happening though.
I love that Dune uses words and phrases taken from many languages, and cultures. And in every film, american actors butcher them in pronunciation until no longer recognizable. Just look up the words, google translate does a better pronunciation..
Having been a fan of the Dune book series once upon a time I thought a CS refresh of a movie I loathed would be a timely idea. Hands down the funniest CS hatchet job I've watched! Keep up the good work!
I remember getting a big HR Giger and Film art book when I was a teenager. In it had plenty of Alien stuff of course, the scissors like Batmobile, but also a very cool section of his art for Jodorowskys Dune. They eventually sort of used a piece of a fortress in Prometheus and his Harkonnen chairs are fairly well known but it's fascinating to see what could have been if he pulled it off. Salvador Dali, Orson Welles, Mick Jagger in the cast, Giger doing the design... Mental stuff!
You didn't mention the guy that fell over while the navigator was entering to meet the Emperor. Seriously, it's quick, but it's there. On the right side of the navigator's tank, some random Guild guy eats it
@@magicmulder Yes, it indeed is, but more with fictional than foreign words. There is a pass on the pronounciation of the made up words from Herbert, I guess. Lovecraft, for example, often was asked about the correct pronounciation of the old ones and he made it clear that since they are made up, people can pronounce it the way they like, further strengthening their alien/unfamiliar nature, which I think is a good course for the use of fictional words from a single person...if it's not emphasized somewhere. I have to check my old copy of Dune again, I bet there is something like that in the glossary of the book, that would be kind of typical for this universe... :D That's why I meant foreign instead of fictional, it just happens a lot outside of Dune that it differs a bit too much in Hollywood movies from characters who should know that, i.e. are supposed to be natives or something similar... Landsraad is also a Danks word for country road, the German Landsrat (pronounced the same) would mean what it meant in the story, a council for the lands, and if would stuck to the Afrikaans, Dutch or Danks pronounciation or something close, Rushy (the original commentator here) probalby wouldn't have mentioned anything...
@@Miranox2 Me too. Way to young to understand a damn thing, but it looked cool. The floating fatman scared me. I really want to read the books so I can enjoy the remake.
I just realised that the song "Weapon of Choice" by Fat Boy Slime references this movie in the lyrics "Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm"
The new one is much easier to follow. That said, the basic plot isn't all *that* complicated; it's just heavily baroqued with a lot of extra details and backstory.
@@gmfreeman4211 Quinn's videos have taught me sooo much about the Dune series. A definite must watch for anyone who's forgotten or is unfamiliar with Dune.
@@chance757 They did crib a lot off of the visual design from the 1984 film, particularly the costume design. This is particularly noticeable if you've seen the low-budget miniseries. Of course, if they were going to keep anything from the 1984, they could have done worse.
At 7:25... the book explains in well-thought-out detail why the spice mining operation is arranged the way it is. Should we ding the movie for leaving SOME work to the viewer? At 11:59... "daughter of Liet" means "daughter of the scientist whose full name surely has been included in this movie's mountain of exposition."
9:14 - Yueh was trying to save his wife, by killing the Baron. The Baron already killed his wife, then him. I agree, terrible plan. Lesson learned "don't get married, don't have an animal, it's just leverage"
@@TheRustyTigger Wow. High praise. I'll hold judgment until I've seen the new one, but as a teenager, I did enjoy the mini series much more than this weird ass 80's movie.
Never saw this movie, but thanks to CinemaSins I finally know what that one song lyric from Fatboy Slim refers to (walk without rythm, it won't attract the worm).
This movie is one of my guilty pleasures. I love the music, costumes, models and set design. The acting was a little suspicious at times and the plot drifts away from the source material but I still love it.
isn't it "Many men have tried" "They tried and failed?" "No, they tried and died." I know you were putting sinned in there because channel, i just wanted to check whether my memory for the lines was gone.
0:31 oddly enough it is 10191ag (it means after guild, they control space travel) and that date starts THOUSANDS of years after today, you can figure that 10191 is like 20-30 thousand years into the future and maybe more. but i am just pointing out that even their calendar starts thousands of years into the future.
@@alm2187 No, just too many spaces. And I didn't realize they mentioned in the scene. Been a while since I've watched it. I just thought someone had read the book, which Sins always cites as irrelevant
I started watching this in 91. A friend of mine said" these people aren't very bright." This movie helped me get through Afghanistan. Nothing like sitting in the tower imagining a giant sandworm tearing up the airfield.
The hand during the vision scene never bothered me until you said, "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!"....now, after having watched it sixteen times in a row...I can't stop laughing. Thanks for ruining what was supposed to be a deep and meaningful scene....you're the best!
Outtakes are here: th-cam.com/video/y0x0iqRR3Iw/w-d-xo.html
How Dare You Attack Dune !
"FOR HOW COULD THIS BE, FOR HE THE NITNICK PATTYWACK"
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Virginia Madsen.... What a babe
I was actually thinking to watch this movie on netflix, but after seeing this I think I don't need to waste my time on this or on the new version. Someone wrote this movie after licking a toad or something.
I saw this in the theater when it first came out. As people entered the theater, there was an usher handing out fliers that were supposed to help explain what was going on in the movie. That's when we knew it was going to be a mess.
dame when a movie is so complicated that they hand out flyers to explain things
@@DaylandWolf actually, it's because they knew people didn't read the books.
??? How did they expect you to get caught up while waiting in line for popcorn…
5 minutes in and idk wtf is going on and it is supposedly at the 42min mark!?
How was this green lit for a reboot?
@@x0gucx because this time they are doing it right. And it is not a reboot, it is a remake.
Of course Patrick Stewart would save the pug while blasting enemies like they are the Borg in First Contact.
He is not the hero dune deserves but the hero dune needs.
Save the Pug? That is a Battle Pug! Can't charge into combat without it!
@@kg4boj hes no duncan idaho though
Jean-Luc Puggard.
Thats SIR Patrick Stewart to you 😤
I can't wait to watch the new Dune movie on my iPhone, as David Lynch would've intended.
I thought it was very well done.
I haven't read the books in years so that helps me enjoy it more.
“Get real!”
Howd you comment 13 hours ago the vids been out for 22 minutes
Please don’t please don’t please don’t please don
visually stunning the movie is paced too fast yet is only HALF a movie, watching on your phone is the smallest of offenses...
The first time i saw Patrick Stewart holding a Pug, rushing into battle, yelling "Long Live Duke Leto!" For a brief second I thought the Pug's name was Duke Leto. :)
That wouldnt have made his battle cry any less impressive. *rofl
You killed me bro
it is now! in my mind...
I see you're a product of our excellent schools.
@@Stratmanable Not funny friend... not funny.
"God, I hate this kid" may be the best sin ever.
Thousands of child actors, and they get one so poor that they had to dub all her lines....badly.
@@bryanyoung8392 I expect that dubbing her lines with such a voice was intended from the start. She wasn't supposed to sound like a child.
@@bryanyoung8392 I genuinely don't envy anyone who would have to translate Alia's character from the first book into film. She's physically 2 years old - which means she'd have a child's voice. BUT she spoke with all the clarity and understanding of an adult because of the spice she was exposed to in the womb. This causes a problem because you could never ever find a child actor young enough to read her lines clearly. No matter what, she'd have to be dubbed. The problem is they dubbed her with........whatever the hell that was supposed to be. It's very distracting because it's clearly an adult pretending to use a child voice dubbed over her own line reading (which undoubtedly they couldn't use. This kid clearly wasn't 2 - probably 5 or 6 - but can you imagine her trying to actually say Kwisatz Haderach?). It wouldn't be easy to pull off, and this movie definitely didn't pull it off.
The sin here as always is… kids(ding)
@@SunnysFilms Alicia Witt would have been 7 or 8 years old at the time of filming.
I always assumed it was attempting to be weird/freaky/witchy thing.
Yes! The cat milking wasn't in the book but was so randomly specific. Thank you muchly for calling it out!!
@@3000_Year_Old_Man I couldn’t believe it so I went and looked it up. Feyd’s action figure from 1984 DOES come with a goddamn plastic cat. Incredible.
I have to find one right away! It was David Lynch’s weirdness that helped me discover the weirdness of Frank Herbert! 😇🙏🥰 I also had a cat named Feyd….
I was gonna mention Sting's action figure and the cat accessory, but someone beat me to it!!🤣🤣🤣
@@3000_Year_Old_Man Awesome!
What about the mouse?
Dune really does feel like someone watching Star Wars high as hell and trying to recall what he saw to someone who is stoned
Funny because Star Wars was inspired by Dune but without the drugs
@@k--music The Star Wars 'spice' is literally a drug
@@sectorgovernor but the drugs aren’t the focus of the sw story the way they are in dune
@@k--music true
Best comment ever because fitting as heck. But yet, I was in awe of Dune, mesmerized by the weirdness and still retain a soft spot for that movie that is as twisted as is Jonathan the Seagul. It seems some movies can only be enjoyed while being high as a kite....
My favorite bit of Dune movie trivia is Sting was going to do a full frontal nude scene but the production team panicked at the last minute and they made that weird winged underwear thing about an hour before the scene was filmed.
Cool. He did forget to take his watch off while tanning&you can see the tan line on his wrist when he steps out the steam shower thing.
Of course, the "unedited" scene has spawned countless pornos. LOL
My favourite part is when Leto says "it's spicin' time" and dynastys all over the place
@@brandyreviewsbyaaron4154wait, there is a nude leak???
Can't wait for the sins for Dune 2021.
Josh Brolin not running into battle carrying a pug.
I hope he'll carry a double-edged sword and maybe a stone-enhanced glove of some kind?
not even one single pug in Dune 1 or 2, big disappoint
*Screaming* DUNE IS A CLASSIC, YOU HAVE NO...
(Wife, from the other room) Is someone bad-mouthing the 1984 version of Dune, again?
*Still screaming* YES! AND THEY...
(Wife, again) Are they wrong?
*Awkward silence* ...No.
❤️
Just remember Dune may be a terrible film, but it is an awesome experience.
I fucking love the 1984 Dune film, but i'm fully aware it is a guilty pleasure and has many, MANY flaws
😂😂😂😂
I think I've fallen in love with your wife.
Taming the sand worm sounds like it will be difficult.
Actually it will be super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Oh, really?
Taming the Sandworm sounds like something you do on a boring Sunday afternoon.
Wow, wow, wow, wow.
Tamed sand worms are tight.
@@conniethesconnie Look you have to go all the way of my back with my sandworm!
why
because
sounds fair to me
😂
@@yesyesyesyes1600 Let me get AAAALLLL the way off of that thing 😁
A Sci-Fi nerd would know that a "standard day" is a day as it lasts on the reference planet (probably Caladan in this case). Since they are moving planets (to Arakis), a day is not the same length, but they still measure time according to their home time for archival consistency.
I think a "standard day" would be the day of either humanity's home world (Planet Earth) or the empire's capital (Planet Kaitain). I don't remember if the novels defined a standard day, but most SF I've read that uses the term bases it on Earth's 24-hour day.
It's pretty obvious even to a non-sci fi nerd
It's obvious to anyone with a working brain xd
I really thought you were going for a sin-count of 10,191 there.
Missed opportunity
They really missed an opportunity. A "gratuitous inner-voiceover" bonus round would have gotten it there.
He didn't read the book, so he doesn't know what he's doing much of the time.
Oof
I mean literally... it was staring right in the face.
Fun Fact: the inner narration of the main protagonist and essencially everybody in this movie was added because the studio thought that people could get bored if there was silent scenes of visual exposition and because they thought people could not understand what was happening on screen unless somebody explicity spell it out for them.
This also happend with Blade Runner but Harrison Ford fought against it since it could make the movie sound boring and overly "stupid" even if the movie was more like a Cyberpunk Noir, with Dune was also added in a way to make it feel like a fantastical fairytale kinda movie, and of course to add an hour extra to the movie so you could properly know what the hell is happening and what everything is and how it works, in short terms bad bad writting all across the board.
There was just something off with the pacing of some of those 70s-80s sci fi movies. Dune, Blade Runner, 2001, even the first Star Trek movie, just wasted so much screen time not getting anywhere...
The mini series of Dune which came out on TV in 2000, was better able to convey the story because they had more time to. I remember reading Blade Runner and it would have worked better as a multi part mini series as well.
The cinematography in this film was brilliant. The screenplay sucked eggs. If you actually read the book, they got through less than half the book in the first one and three quarters hours. Then, they tried to get the second half in during the last 20-ish minutes. The second half of the book was much more interesting than the first. NOT ENOUGH SINS!
Back when I was a spry, nerdy little kid back in ‘84, I loved this movie. The special effects were breathtaking.
Fast forward to ‘21, and watching this on Netflix was… probably one of the most boring experiences that I have had during this pandemic. I didn’t last 45 minutes before I just outright fell asleep. Not even the jaw-dropping ‘80s graphics could save this film.
I read that they asked Frank Herbert about the movie and he said that he couldn't follow it.
That says a lot about how bad the screenplay was if even the author gets lost.
The mini series on SYFY was better. but as a kid in the 80's this was insane grapics.
@@jonokai Agreed, but trying to follow the story could turn your brain to goo.
@@ghost307 Only because they tried squeezing Lord of the Rings into a single movie. The SYFY version had a bit of that too, especially with their time skips between "episodes". I mean it certainly would have helped to have location and time data. TBH this story can only be done justice in a longer series format.
I have a friend who went to one of the original screenings of this movie back in 1984. He told me that the theater had to hand out a printed synopsis/glossery to guests as they entered so they wouldn't be too confused while watching the movie.
I G👀GLED it & the cheet sheet was front & back!
Very convenient to read in the pitch black theater too
"Mood's a thing for cattle and love play."
*-Patrick Stewart, Dune 1984*
SPOILER: I was very upset that Gurney didn't say that to Paul in the new 2021 version :( . It's one of my favorite lines in the book lol
Clear as mud.
Yeah you really have to be in the right mood for love play with cattle 😂
Patrick likes them beefy ladies!!! 😁
I am really surprised nobody did a recut/redub of Star Trek: TNG yet. With all the American Dad and other treasures that they could use to make Picard Comedy ;).
It's been a long time since i read the book, so i may be misremembering, but i believe those personal shields have made firearms irrelevant in their universe. The shields stop things that are moving fast, but let through slow moving things, so fighting is all about occupying the opponent's fast blocking sword with your own, while trying t sneak your knife through the shield at a slower speed.
Yes. They also deter use of "energy weapons" (blasters) because hitting one with an energy weapon causes a nuclear explosion killing everyone.
One wonders where's all the gas grenades and flamethrowers, then...
@@DarthBiomech apparently some parts of the Geneva Convention stuck around for over 8 millennia.
@@backpacker3421 Frank Herbert died before suicide bombers became a thing.
"Walk without rhythm and you won't attract the worm." Cue Fat Boy Slim and Christopher Walken.
If there ever was a master of walking, it's him.
@@ChargeQM th-cam.com/video/wCDIYvFmgW8/w-d-xo.html
dont forget, we need more cowbells...
How’d they miss that one? But I think most people don’t notice that line in the song.
Good song.
Love how all the Fremen are white. It literally says in the book that they are descendants of the Egyptians. And they live a planet with no clouds and intense sum
Although much of this movie's dialogue and action might be as stiff as a sand worm, Paul's stiff as a board room entering abilities could not have been Dune any better.
and douriff was trying to portray a character that thought faster than regular humans because if imperial conditioning. yeah, jeremy should have read the book first.
Noice
You'd be stiff too, if you had to wear those uniforms everywhere.
@@davidm5707 there was ligitimate complaints about the stillsuits, thought. no hood to trap headsweat
Lets be honest, the book doesn't exactly flow all the time dialogue-wise. David Lynch didn't help matters. Not to mention the constant inner dialogues. Watching this in 1988 for the first time - loved it. Watching this in 2020 again: if you need that much inner dialogue, you need to learn how to write a good script.
"Standard day" matters because of space travel and time dilation. Time isnt constant, so a "standard day" is likely 1 full solar cycle on the planet, not a dilated, warped one
Nope. Standard days ON EARTH, which ,as any other planet is unlikely to have a day of 24 hours, and a year of 365 1/4 days, means that the original clock system has somehow been ossified a long time ago in this era. But also for "us humans" who still experience 24 hour days to understand.
@@timbeaton5045 So in other words, because of space travel, a "standard day" on the planet.
@@alexsmith2885 No. If a day on Arakis was 30 hours long, then (estimation) only 48 days would pass, but since 24 hours is the standard, based on Earth time, then 63 standard days pass. Its the same in Star Wars.
Why the hell would you sin Toto? The soundtrack was fantastic!
I bless the rains down in Arakis!
Maybe a good soundtrack wasted on a mess of a movie?
Maybe just the sheer weirdness of a rock band doing the score for a sci-fi film.
Agree.
@@rclark777 Yeah, that's always bugged me more than it probably should.
I love that you called out Patrick Stewart holding a pug while shooting. It's so....Lynchian...
This video is the most enjoyable and least painful variant on the Lynch film that has ever been produced.
Ha
It could be better. It could omit that abomination/child/thing entirely
@@serban031 Alia is very prominent in the book...
Virginia Madsen was the only reason that I watched it to begin with. So yes, I much prefer her pleasant face over a book that's scrolling across the opening screen. Not to mention, her voice is incredibly soothing.
this movie totally invented ASMR
5:13 "Landsdraad" They didn't even bother reshooting the scene after Dourif botched the name. They probably didn't even realize.
Hilariously funny! I know you guys don't give a frak about the book, but I have just a few comments. The Fremen trust Paul immediately because he fulfills their core prophecy (which was created by the Bene Gesserit). Chani isn't Paul's girlfriend; she is his concubine by Fremen law. Everybody was terrified of Alia (except Paul). The place the Bene Gesserit cannot see is the genetic memory of men, because the minds of men are scary. This is actually true.
Respect to people that can enjoy books. Love yall💕 we need yall
someone else read the books. kudos.
Um pretty sure chani is his wife by fremen law
Also the Bene Gesserit can control the sex of their baby, which under the Bene Gesserit breeding program, she was to produce a daughter, so having a son was Jessica's conscious choice, her falling in love with Leto wasnt part of the plan, nor her choice to grant him his wish for a son.
I think its less because the mind of men are scary and more that women just don't have chromosomes necessary to access that part of their genetic memory. Its literally just a void, that's what scares them.
In a galactic society with populations on many planets that can have very different rotation and orbital periods, having a standardized day/month/year is a good idea. In fact, it's a neccessity for the sake of planning and scheduling. That way it doesn't matter if your planet rotates once every 10 hours and orbits once every 800 days (to say nothing of what relativistic travel and time-dilation would do), a standard day is always the same.
The sins must flow.
Best comment yet!
the sins are the movie, and the movie is the sins
6:42 "...I guess I should've read the book first..." I had read the book before I saw this back in the 80s, and the movie still seemed pretty incomprehensible.
I love Dune (84) so much- it has such a warm place in my heart. And this is easily the funniest and best EWW you have ever done. I was cracking up the whole time. Well done!
Statue to the Biggest bong rip had me dying
I was in high school when this Dune movie was released. I'm proud to say everyone in my AP, college prep, totally genius & wonderfully nerdy group of friends. (I still wonder why or how, like Screech, I was part of their group.) We were all excited to see the movie being huge fans of the books. Naturally, we all cut class & went to see the premier. About 20 of us were sitting together in a big block, dead center. It was so quiet as everyone in the theater was watching intently.
When the father, Leto Atreides, said he'll "Miss the sea" all of us, in unison, like some La La Land, pre-rehearsed, never happen in real life moment, shouted... "After what happened in DAS Boot?!?!"
Almost everyone in the theater burst out laughing & clapping. Those few who didn't get the reference were quickly told and, well... it was the best part of the whole movie.
I'd forgotten that Dune movie experience till Cinema Sins reminded me. Thanks for the memory refresh and as always your entertaining review of this movie.
It seems everytime I've watch Dune I feel compelled to watch Das Boot.
LMAO, that's AWESOME
Okay that was funny 😂
Duct tape a mice to a cat, in order to milk the cat and create an antidote. 10k sin points sounds fair.
That Interstellar tesseract bookshelf reference was such a brilliant deep cut since Timothée Chalamet did play Murph's brother in that movie. :P
Chalamet was in _Interstellar_ ??
@@loganbigmo "What about the flat tire?"
The 1984 Dune is really for those who have some familiarity for the Dune universe and trying to add the explanations for the movie's head scratching questions would make the movie 10 hours long. The SyFy mini-series and new movie was and is taking the time to explain some of the rather dry reasons.
Take the personal shields for instance, the books go into detail of why they are not common (expensive, power consuming, hard to work with) and the nuclear explosive reason they are not used with energy weapons and I do mean thermonuclear explosive reason.
Yes, I like 1984 Dune more after reading the book; I respect Lynch for trying and getting anything remotely good done in a standard length movie.
All that and, on Arrakis, one shield will attract every worm in an ungodly range. ^_^
yeah, but there's no reason that they couldn't use the energy shields AND armour underneath it. Stick a coat of plate mail underneath and an energy shield on top and you are invincible save for being crushed by something ungodly heavy yet somehow still slow moving. Likewise, why not use an energy shield on aircraft or something like a tank to make THAT invincible too?
The reality is that the shields only exist as part of this bizarre fascination with hyper-advanced technology mixed with archaic hand to hand melee combat.
@@steik6414 Well anyone with a las gun can end you (and absolutely everyone in your zip code) still. Thats one of the reasons they aren't all that common, same with las guns. The risk of accidentally blowing everything to hell is too high. And imagine the opportunities they would present to terrorists... Oh if I just shot that weird box thing with this flashlight its a nuclear bomb? Great!
@@HIMPDahak None of that explains why no one wears armour under the personal shields. Even just chain mail would make you almost invincible save for lasguns, which are basically never used by anyone, or at least certainly not in any instance that might interrupt the "noble warrior" narrative, anyway.
In the book they go to the ridiculous lengths to train in this absurd fighting style to counter the shields by moving slowly instead of just putting on a suit of armour underneath the shield that can only be penetrated by something moving quickly. Instead of spending decades perfecting a perfect fighting style against the personal shields how about you put on some steel plate, tackle the idiot who showed up the the personal shield fight without any armour underneath it, and stab them in the face while they harmlessly drag a dagger along your steel plate. Its not complicated, the only reason they don't do that is because it doesn't fit Herbert's narrative. The term for it is "contrived".
- 1 Sin for the best pronunciation of Das Boot ive ever heard from an american, its not a boot, yall!
Wish Lynch would’ve been given the budget to craft a Dune trilogy. Visually stunning, moody acting, and Lynch nails a certain other-worldly tone of cosmic grandeur. A noble effort, a big swing… that ultimately misses because the screenplay sucks, ultimately sinking the movie.
Lynch wasn’t a big fan of Dune though, so it’s hard to say whether he would’ve done Frank Herbert’s novel justice or if it would’ve been similar to what we got, just slightly better.
Do yourself a favour and watch the 2012 Spicediver fan edit.
Have u watchd the new one yet ?
@@sahil2551 Yes, it was visually stunning and the sound design was awesome, that being said nothing was explained, we don't know anyone's motives for doing anything. The Spicediver fan edit explains everything. The 1984 version is infinitely more quotable as well.
Watch the 2012 Spicediver fan edit
Peace!
I think I understood the most of it ,I think things will become more clear once all parts are released since its not loke dune is a complete movie on its own
The guard Pieter DeVries gives instructions to was deaf... at least in the book. This was so Jessica couldn't use The Voice on him.
Some books should not be adapted into films though... this might work better if it was a tv show in the modern era.
@@stevenmacaulay8807 There were miniseries... I liked them, but I love the original film, warts and all. But an HBO version of Dune might be worth seeing.
@@brunozeigerts6379 Honestly if it works for you it works, to me it just seems like a weird acid trip.
4:21 If someone is forcing your hand into something you expect to cause pain, fear is a factor. Perhaps you've mastered taking a fearless approach to scary situations. Nevertheless, your mind/brain doesn't naturally go "I'm not facing a choice, therefore I'm not generating the stimulus known as fear."
Yes. I think Paul understands that it is all in his mind -- so if he fails the test, it WILL be because of his fear.
Your Dune fanhood is showing. Everyone knows it’s wierd, that’s why it’s cool. I laughed harder at this simply because I love it so much.
A dune fan would understand the point of the shield wall is to protect the city from sand storms, not enemy aircraft, he’d understand the significance of Chani being the daughter of Liet-Keynes, he’d understand the significance of there never being rain on Arrakis. All he showed in this video is that he understands that the movie sucks, not that he understands or appreciates dune
@@totallyofftask I think you make great points. I would remind you that this is Movie Sins… so their approach and jokes need to be from the movie, not the book. Let’s be real… the Lynch Dune glosses over many aspects of the novel. Just the nature of movie making. Just as this video can and should only focus on what is delivered from within the movie.
@@Xavior357 true, the movie fails to properly explain anything from the book. It was so bad that during the initial screenings back in the 80s, the theaters had to give people little booklets telling them what was going on
@@totallyofftask I had heard about the booklets describing the various factions and their background. It was too ambitious for it’s time. But still has such a strange feeling of “otherness” to it… it’s uniquely captivating for that crazy art house vibe it has. And for that, I love it. The book and it’s various themes was so strange to me when I first read it… seems fitting for that movie to have that sense as well. I really wish we had gotten a Lynch treatment of The Golden Path and Leto II’s role. That would have been some crazy stuff.
Wait, Patrick Stewart was in Dune?!? SIR Patrick Stewart?
The guy who we can add to WIllie Nelson and Steve Martin as The Men Who Have Looked Exactly The Same For The Last 40 Years?
Is Paul rudd on this list?
@@whatduck943 -- Give him until the end of the decade, and he might be.
Heh. You should also look up a cheesy/bad/fun horror movie called "Lifeforce" from a year or so later. Patrick Stewart has a small but quite memorable role in it.
He does actually look a fair bit younger here. He hasn't changed much, but he's aged.
There are actually quite a few notable actors in this. Generally peripheral characters, regrettably.
Look up iClaudius. He has HAIR. It's disturbing (as is the rest of tge film)
Fuck it, I love this movie. It's a pretty bad adaptation, but the performance, cinematography, editing, acting and soundtrack are outstanding. Everyone enjoys hating this movie, but I love it.
I love it too. I remember seeing it when it came out, I was 13, loved it so much. Afterwards I read all the books.
I have read the books several times and I'm really looking forward to the new movie but I also liked this older version. It differs in places from the book but it stuck close to the original story. I rewatch it every now and then because I enjoy it. When it first came out in theaters my friend and I were so impressed we hid in the bathroom after the first showing and snuck back in to watch the movie a 2nd time. I was 14 when I first saw the movie and I went straight home and begged my parents for the books till they bought them for me.
I love the books and that’s why I hate this movie so much!!! That end is an insult to anyone who read the books! Is not close to the original story! Is the exact opposite!!! The scream and the rain, Paul being almost a God!! That’s not Dune’s end!!!! That’s not the story!!! I hate that so much!!! More than the useless gross things that they did with the Baron! Who also is not the same character of the book! He is smut and smart and speak calmly, not that raging disgusting thing that they made him in the movie!!! That Baron could never be smart enough to do the plans within plans that he does in the books!!! I even prefer the mini series over this books, bc even with the horrible effects and shady acting it was still way more close to the book!
@@talitafranco7230 just like the original Dune book, this movie is also a product of its time and constraints. Like many movies they took creative liberties with the story, it's tone, narrative and characters. It was trying to be too much like a thinky Star Wars. Most of us that were older when this version came out were just happy to see Dune on the big screen, because it had been widely held that it could never be made at all. So, we took it faults and all and were happy with it generally. We picked it apart, but it was a love hate relationship I guess.
Have you seen Under The Skin? There is a movie I hated! I read the book, more than once and loved (love) it, but the movie is nothing like the book. NOTHING, like the book.
@@talitafranco7230 You must, and I mean ABSOLUTELY MUST see the Spice Diver edit of Lynch's Dune if you haven't already. It's the best version of Dune I've ever seen so far. Barring issues with the Baron that only scripting and acting could fix, you'll probably be surprised.
such as the infested dung of a cluster fuck that is that?
I loved the books, and I really love the extended version of this movie. And Sting in armor undies made me question my sexuality. :P
Sting really fits his role as a creep well. They should have used his song “I’ll be watching you” as his theme song since he’s creepy AF in this film
i need to find me a pair of them space undies he's got!
I remember watching this as a teenager and saying, "what the hell did I watch?" I've seen this many times and it still baffles me. I always feel like they left a lot out and the movie needed to be at least 6 hrs to truly understand it. Granted I've yet to read the book.
In order to properly adapt the first Dune book (out of six in the main series, plus seventeen other novels) without skipping things, think more two full length LOTR films. Probably three.
David Lynch actually wanted the movie to be like 4 hours long if I recall but the studio wasn't having it and they cut a bunch out. I would love to see the movie Lynch originally intended. Just like with Twin Peaks, the execs don't understand art. All they know and care about is butts in seats and making more money than they spent.
There is a reason that the new one is splitting the book into two films.
The book isn't that long, but it is extremely dense and fitting it into two hours and change cannot end well.
I have tickets to watch the new film tomorrow. But if you want a better adaption of the full book, the SciFi miniseries is a much better adaption of the story. It doesn't have the stunning visuals of Lynch's film (it isn't bad, it did win Emmys for them, but the Lynch film is a high bar) and it has the limitations of being a SciFi miniseries, but it is well worth watching if you are interested in a more complete adaption. There is also a follow up covering the next two books.
@@88porpoise Cool. will do just that. TY
@@Drengade what are these seventeen other novels? All I am aware of is some trash fanfic his son wrote.
I read the House trilogy, the Butlerian Jihad trilogy, and their two sequel books before finally deciding it wasn't worth the effort.
A sin for the Toto soundtrack? No sir!
It always makes me laugh when something random is happening and Jeremy just says something like "I fucking hate this kid" or stuff like that lmfao
*sees Jack Nance, an actor that has had at least a featuring if not starring role in every David Lynch movie since Eraserhead, in a David Lynch movie*
*wonders aloud why he's getting so many lines*
*DING*
There are pugs in this future, so it automatically makes it not dystopian.
I dunno, pugs are victims of a dystopian nightmare ready, with their eyes falling out and their nasal passages being crimped shut thanks to selective breeding...
10:40 And not one of those observations is, "That is a DAMN FINE cup of coffee!"
I saw Dune in the movie theatre when it came out in 1984. Had I not been sitting next to my friend who had absolutely devoured the Dune books, I would never have been able to figure out what the fuck was going on. Sting sure looked cool, though.
Is that the Candy women????? From the Candy man movie????
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🤣🤣😂
There is a time in every man who is at least half-geek's life where he must devour the Middle Earth, Dune and Foundation novels whole!
With you in every one except Picard saving the Pug. That's not a sin that's at least 10 sins off.
9:40 I'm like 90% sure you guys would know this, but just in case, that's Jack Nance. He was a good friend of David Lynch's and appeared in pretty much all of Lynch's projects, starting with Eraserhead, until his death in the 90s.
He was awesome in Twin Peaks.
@@Craig_N until he puts a fish in percolator
I saw this version of Dune once on tv, and I can only remember the giant worms. The only thing that I can remember about the plot is that it was so hard to follow. So when I saw the new version, I remembered some things from the older movie and it was way easier to tell what was going on. And in the end, the new movie met my expectations and I'm looking forward to a sequel.
Hold you horses, buddy! Toto is a god-damn national treasure!
the internet made fun of Africa but the song is good....now that it's not overplayed on the radio.
Ye! Toto's score is one of the very few objectively awesome aspects of the film. :)
"Walk without rhythm..." - wait a minute, my brain is itching! Where have I heard that before? Ah. Ok. I never knew realised Dune is where the lyrics Bootsy Collins sings in Fatboy Slim's 'Weapon Of Choice' came from. You learn something new every day.
ah Dune....you had me at space cocaine and knife fights
Thank you for NOT making a Captain Picard reference
7:07 Nevermind +1 sin
Was so hoping the sin count would be 10,191
You missed the biggest sin of all: THE SPICE IS WORM POOP!
To be perfectly honest it isn't possible to make a movie that could justice to any of the science fiction books that won the nebula award in the 60s. It was the golden era basically, they're timeless literary classics.
I read Dune. And liked this movie way better.
Sorry but no. The same excuse was made for LotR.
@@kennethfharkin Ummm how is it an excuse? Any of the Dune books are way too dense for the big screen.
@@lukecash3500 Excuse, as in a reason given that something cannot be done. There is no reason Dune cannot be brought to the big screen with the key themes intact so long as the talent and funding are present. Again, the exact same excuse was used for LotR and it was successfully brought to the screen, not simply commercially but keeping the core principals of the story as written intact.
Now any Dune book after the original would be far more difficult given how far they stray from a marketable story for the mass movie going audience and the tremendous lack of action present in them but the original can certainly be done properly. I am only talking about the Frank Herbert books as the Brian Herbert ones are simplistic trash with the focus shifted from intelligence to action and is therefore easier to make into a film. I don't see that happening though.
by timeless literary classics do you mean "the foreword is so boringly technical that no one ever finishes them?"
Showing Jeremy's inner thoughts was a bizarre and hilarious moment
I love that Dune uses words and phrases taken from many languages, and cultures. And in every film, american actors butcher them in pronunciation until no longer recognizable. Just look up the words, google translate does a better pronunciation..
Because Google translate was so widely used in 1984 when this film was made?
@@TimBowSpice i didnt say that they needed to use google translate mate, i said it could do a better job at pronunciation.
Having been a fan of the Dune book series once upon a time I thought a CS refresh of a movie I loathed would be a timely idea. Hands down the funniest CS hatchet job I've watched! Keep up the good work!
I remember getting a big HR Giger and Film art book when I was a teenager. In it had plenty of Alien stuff of course, the scissors like Batmobile, but also a very cool section of his art for Jodorowskys Dune. They eventually sort of used a piece of a fortress in Prometheus and his Harkonnen chairs are fairly well known but it's fascinating to see what could have been if he pulled it off. Salvador Dali, Orson Welles, Mick Jagger in the cast, Giger doing the design... Mental stuff!
"Every moment in Dune (1984) impressive for a hillbilly, in 18 minutes or less" - Dougie Jones
You didn't mention the guy that fell over while the navigator was entering to meet the Emperor.
Seriously, it's quick, but it's there. On the right side of the navigator's tank, some random Guild guy eats it
ok now I have to rewatch it, thanks lol
Yeah, he was stumbling over his own feet afaik 😂
😂
13:53 The way Paul responds to the Freman saying his name is just fantastic
no comment on how Brad Dourif keeps saying "Landsdraad" instead of "Landsraad"?
Probably a subtle hint by Lynch he doesn’t care about the source at all. (I did like the movie though.)
Wondered me as well but since foreign words are so often misspronounced in Hollywood movies, you almost keep expecting it...
@@marcbraun5342 It's not like Dune is overflowing with foreign words, though. "Landsraad" being Afrikaans/Dutch isn't that strange either.
@@magicmulder Yes, it indeed is, but more with fictional than foreign words.
There is a pass on the pronounciation of the made up words from Herbert, I guess. Lovecraft, for example, often was asked about the correct pronounciation of the old ones and he made it clear that since they are made up, people can pronounce it the way they like, further strengthening their alien/unfamiliar nature, which I think is a good course for the use of fictional words from a single person...if it's not emphasized somewhere.
I have to check my old copy of Dune again, I bet there is something like that in the glossary of the book, that would be kind of typical for this universe... :D
That's why I meant foreign instead of fictional, it just happens a lot outside of Dune that it differs a bit too much in Hollywood movies from characters who should know that, i.e. are supposed to be natives or something similar...
Landsraad is also a Danks word for country road, the German Landsrat (pronounced the same) would mean what it meant in the story, a council for the lands, and if would stuck to the Afrikaans, Dutch or Danks pronounciation or something close, Rushy (the original commentator here) probalby wouldn't have mentioned anything...
How have you not sinned that man's eyebrows ?!
I remember watching this back in 1984 and not understanding not one bit of it. But I did like the monsterous sand worms.
You were young perhaps? Most adults can't understand it completely. The story is intended to be cryptic.
@@Miranox2 yes I was only in 4th grade.
@@Miranox2 Me too. Way to young to understand a damn thing, but it looked cool. The floating fatman scared me. I really want to read the books so I can enjoy the remake.
I had read the books several times already and kept swearing at all the fucking bullshit.
@@Miranox2 It's pretty simple to understand really.
I just realised that the song "Weapon of Choice" by Fat Boy Slime references this movie in the lyrics "Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm"
I was really hoping this was going to explain a bit of the plot before I go see the new one with friends, but alas. I'm even more confused.
The new one is much easier to follow. That said, the basic plot isn't all *that* complicated; it's just heavily baroqued with a lot of extra details and backstory.
One of the best explanations I have seen. Spoiler warning, of course.
th-cam.com/video/1NZiTVPXmNM/w-d-xo.html
Be warned, the new movie is part one. It will not have the entire story. Honestly, and I hate to be this guy, but just read the book.
@@gmfreeman4211 Quinn's videos have taught me sooo much about the Dune series. A definite must watch for anyone who's forgotten or is unfamiliar with Dune.
@@originalcosmicgirl totally Quinn rocks
3:19 almost my coffee everywhere laughing
I have been playing Dune 2000 all last week and now CinemaSins does an episode Dune small world!
I feel so embarrassed that I didn’t know the new one was a remake
it isn’t, it’s a direct adaptation of the book
@@chance757 They did crib a lot off of the visual design from the 1984 film, particularly the costume design. This is particularly noticeable if you've seen the low-budget miniseries. Of course, if they were going to keep anything from the 1984, they could have done worse.
At 7:25... the book explains in well-thought-out detail why the spice mining operation is arranged the way it is. Should we ding the movie for leaving SOME work to the viewer?
At 11:59... "daughter of Liet" means "daughter of the scientist whose full name surely has been included in this movie's mountain of exposition."
9:14 - Yueh was trying to save his wife, by killing the Baron. The Baron already killed his wife, then him. I agree, terrible plan.
Lesson learned "don't get married, don't have an animal, it's just leverage"
Damn, I was all excited about seeing the sin counter go up to 10,191. :(
Anybody notice the Candy women??????
My OG nerd mom had to leave the movie theater to give birth to me, and i still havent recovered.
So no one’s gonna touch the 2000 Dune mini series huh?
still my personal favorite adaptation, even after the new one.
@@TheRustyTigger Wow. High praise. I'll hold judgment until I've seen the new one, but as a teenager, I did enjoy the mini series much more than this weird ass 80's movie.
TVSins would have to, maybe?
Never saw this movie, but thanks to CinemaSins I finally know what that one song lyric from Fatboy Slim refers to (walk without rythm, it won't attract the worm).
Yeah, Dune is a rough watch if you're not properly altered.
Need all the psychedelics to fully enjoy it
Preach!
You just brilliantly summarized the whole movie in one sentence.
If one had 'all the psychedelics', this movie would be the least of their worries.
Id say 5g about 2 hours ago. 'n a fat j of indicouch.
Just gotta remember the litany against fear, and all shall be well
"Guys.....we did it. We found the the most random evil task ever assigned in a movie!"
This movie is one of my guilty pleasures. I love the music, costumes, models and set design. The acting was a little suspicious at times and the plot drifts away from the source material but I still love it.
It's very European in tone. Reminds me of Italian horror, very dreamlike and a lot of stuff just doesn't make sense
Me: Mum, Can I please get Dune?
Mum: We have Dune at home!
Dune at home:
“Many men have sinned and failed?”
“No. Many men have sinned and died.”
isn't it
"Many men have tried"
"They tried and failed?"
"No, they tried and died."
I know you were putting sinned in there because channel, i just wanted to check whether my memory for the lines was gone.
@@Drengade That's about right. Sadly the new movie didn't use it though.
0:31 oddly enough it is 10191ag (it means after guild, they control space travel) and that date starts THOUSANDS of years after today, you can figure that 10191 is like 20-30 thousand years into the future and maybe more. but i am just pointing out that even their calendar starts thousands of years into the future.
Did you make the "back to the door" porn joke knowing that they repeatedly teach Paul NOT to sit with his back to the door? Are you in the book?!
Is your second question missing a word? Anyway, they make that point right in-scene.
@@alm2187 No, just too many spaces. And I didn't realize they mentioned in the scene. Been a while since I've watched it. I just thought someone had read the book, which Sins always cites as irrelevant
@@reidfever1866 It is, but they could still bring it up xD
If Paul Smith had the uniform and the whack-em stick from Midnight Express he would have made Raban terrifying.
Who else would bribe the spacing guild to travel back in time to 1984 to get with Virginia Madsen?
how much and with what? (not that she's an object but i've always found her stunningly beautiful)
I Hate to admit it but yeah
😊
I'd feel terrible for whomever this Virginia Madison is that you'd be stalking. Virginia Madsen, on the other hand, could carry on as usual.
@@TheHomelessDreamer
It's a joke frank lol
I'm more of a Lady Jessica kinda guy. Especially in that stillsuit with her hair down.
Once you've seen it you will never unsee Patrick Stewart running into battle armed with a pug...
I feel you missed a real opportunity for the sin count to equal 10,191....
10,000 points for the most random evil task assigned in a movie. seems fair enough
The music for this film is actually great.
I started watching this in 91. A friend of mine said" these people aren't very bright." This movie helped me get through Afghanistan. Nothing like sitting in the tower imagining a giant sandworm tearing up the airfield.
Cecil's horn set me off on the hardest giggling fit while I was on hold. Rep came on the line and I had to try like hell to keep my shit together.
The hand during the vision scene never bothered me until you said, "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!"....now, after having watched it sixteen times in a row...I can't stop laughing. Thanks for ruining what was supposed to be a deep and meaningful scene....you're the best!