As a trauma nurse who's seen MANY motorcycle accidents, seeing someone ride dressed like this makes me EYE ROLL/SMH hard...................................
No pedals, so it's actually illegal. I mean I didn't see a license plate, it's just a matter of time before you get a cop with a hard on to nab you for driving that thing unregistered/uninsured/no plates and has it towed. The Revv1 is a better option.
Thats not an ebike. Its an electric dirt bike. If you want to get pulled over by the cops daily then buy one lf those. My state will impound your bike for 30 days. Plus violations are criminal offenses not civil infractions.
Yeah, I'll move there. Here in Austin, TX, douchebags are riding these in the bike lane all day. If it goes over 28mph, it needs a license and insurance. F*ck anyone who rides these in the bike lane, I hope regulation comes heavy and soon@@Sherman1862
And that's my point too. However was curious if we can get plates for them? But, if so it limits one to the roads and private trails. I have a bit of property however we have miles of bike trails that blow away the roads. Something like the Wired Predator would slide right by the cops however,,, zip.
If it is safer then it belongs on the road just as much if not more than an ebike. I ride in the countryside and its true, it is sketchy not keeping up with traffic when u need to
@@user-rl6fs6rd7mhe didn’t say it was less safe. This guy is riding where he doesn’t belong. He rides above e-bike speeds, but without complying with motorcycle laws, and also rides in bike lanes etc, where a motorcycle isn’t allowed. So breaking laws in both directions.
The problem with E-motos is cops and price..All contact with police is potentially dangerous, unfortunately that is a fact..The vast majority of the time you'll be fine, but it is Russian roulette in America..Some of us live in towns that police don't care, and some are not that lucky..
because he is a d-bag that wants all the benefits that cyclists work for to protect themselves while traveling, but do none of the actual work. At least an actual e-bike has pedals and they just have a motor that ramps up the gearing when activated. You still have to actually pedal in order to keep the motor working. This dude is straight up driving an electric motorcycle, and acting like re-inventing the motorcycle is something that the DOT and BMV don't care about.
I’m in America and where is he at? In Pennsylvania what he was doing is illegal. E-motos are pretty much pointless in this state. They are considered a motorcycle so insurance, registration, inspection, and a license plate are required. At that point you might as well get a gas motorcycle that can do highway speeds.
@@tenza7545you are right ,but for the electric moto being slow is a lack of knowledge,as it is way more torquy than a gas engine,just depend what you buy.
I have been a follower of your content for quite sometime. You usually make many good, thoughtful points. Unless I missed it, you should have talked about the price, top speed & range of your ride. One last thing, I'm sure other people have mentioned this before, but wearing plastic slides on your feet is absolutely crazy. I wouldn't even do that on my 37 year old Diamond Back Apex mountain bike. Once you rip your toenails off in a crash, which I have, you tend to be a bit more safety conscious. Once bitten, twice shy.
I dont know if you've done enough research on ebikes. I bought an ECells 5 Star for $1800. It has good dual suspension, gets up to 40, and I have no issues in traffic. On range, yesterday I rode 55 miles on 1 charge. For the saddle, I just upgraded to a Cloud 9. There out there one just have to look.
@@polstery Fair enough. For the cost Google Ai claims the national average motorcycle insurance is $33 a month (YMMV, less for bundling, ...grain of salt, etc.) Or, just don't get reg/ins and see what happens.
Won’t be long till these are going to fall under normal motorcycle requirements. They will be plated in a year, then all you have is a super expensive dirt bike with shitty range. E bikes will get regulated as well, but not to the degree these will
@@nathancereska8215they are going to need DOT rated tires and lights to be licensed, most of these e-motos are going to be banned from use on public roads just like a dirt bike.
@@nathancereska8215 Most of them already do, but are in a legal grey area due to the BMV not having an appropriate licensing program for the vast majority of the builds. Actual e-bikes are actually "illegal" in most places due to the electric motor making it a motor vehicle, but the rest of the bike not fitting the requirements for a registered motor cycle(or fit the definition of the
Emotos or non functional, non-pedal ebikes are no longer legal on public roads or bike lanes here in Cali. I had a feeling shit was gonna come down on them sooner or later with all the teenagers flocking to them over here and driving like assholes. So I'm certainly relieved to have gone with a moped style ebike(with proper pedals) instead cuz I can still legally do bicycle things with it.
This was one of the most helpful videos I've watched recently. I've been following both categories, and am trying to make sense of them. I'm a long time motorcycle rider (mostly BMWs, R1200RT, K1300S etc), and a long time bicycle rider (rode my bicycle across the US solo and still ride multiple times a week). But the tradeoffs you're talking about are exactly what I'm curious about. Thank you!
Horsepower is the unit of measurement of power. It was first used by James Watt. 1 hp is approximately equal to 746 watts. One horsepower is 550 lbs moved one foot in one second. Put a 550lb rider on that bike and ride up a very steep hill. I tried it and it didn’t move at all.
Wired return policy is pretty weak. They wouldn't exchange my bike because it had more miles than they allow. Which was milage working with them to troubleshoot an issue. I had to dump another $600 into it myself to get it fixed.
Totally. Thing is... You can't really get away with emotos on the bike paths in my city (of which there are many). Don't wanna be stuck in 50 mph surface streets when there's traffic.
I live in Chicago, they absolutely don’t care. They also don’t care in LA, Huston, and New York City if you ride in the bike lane or bike paths as long as you’re not being a dick.
You showed my bike years ago that has since been upgraded to 72V 5Kw and battery more integrated into the bike. Orange full suspension mid drive bike. The bike can hit 50+mph and rides like a dream. The possibilities are still out there to build a fantastic e-mtn bike and have just about everything a emoto has without worrying too much about legalities since it looks more like a bike.
So your preference has evolved into being a scofflaw? ... No plate, do you have liability insurance? And your electric dirt bike isn't a traditional bike, you have no business being on bike infrastructure with such a vehicle. There is a very good reason why ebikes have speed limitations and suches, and balancing public risk is one of them.
Audio is excellent, and it's fine for your tastes and preferences to evolve. I do group rides with gas bikes and Surron's all the time, and the most fun I've had was blasting along the trails on the heels of a Surron. For 200 range, you must be talking about full-on motorcycles. I've never seen a gas moped with a 200 mile range, and when I did a group ride with them where *I* was warned it would be a long ride, it was the gas bikes that needed to stop at a gas station and refuel. I'm also wondering what type of e-bike only gets 20 miles of range. Are we talking a Jetson Bolt Pro? 😉 I used to get 30 to 40 miles on a Rad folding fat tire bike when it was stock. The Mantis X is said to do 62 miles, but that's in eco mode with a top speed of 30mph. I've considered an e-moto, even have a short list of ones I want when the time comes. I'll likely go with the Spark Javelin which will do over 60mph, is sold as a rock at high speed, and is NHTSA approved for fully legal road use. The problem for me right now is that I can't ride an e-moto on trails and in parks, and that's where I do most of my riding. Stay safe, and let us know how the Wired works out!
All very good points. I live in the very center of Houston, Texas and my two battery 35 mph 30 mile range Raev GTX is perfect for all our neighborhoods and side streets but I took it up to Arkansas and it was woefully inadequate.
i live on the southwest side of Houston where the bike lanes only connect park to park and have shoulders and call them bike lanes. I own a emoto to keep up with traffic
@@gedofgont1006 haha!!! Touché. We fell in love with Bentonville this year. We’re gonna try Lake Hamilton next. We’re scoping out places to retire in a few years.
In terms of micro-mobility/not using a car for stuff, do you have any videos on storage solutions you like that let you do things like grocery trips without a car? Like pannier bags, bike trailers, etc.?
Sounds to me more like your preference is to feed an adrenaline addiction. Of course bicycles become death traps over 25 MPH, they were never engineered for that; I can get around the city to places I need to be on time going no faster than 25 MPH, riding an eBike that can blend easily and safely with pedestrian traffic when need be. In most cases, it's still just as fast as taking a car from point A to point B.
Good Morning, Good video. I ride an e-bike all the time for everything from groceries to whatever, but less than a few weeks after owning my e-bike, my ass was hurting and the pain was travelling through my spine up my back. My son suggested I replace my saddle with my older scooter seat. After I did that, my e-bike became very comfortable and I was able to ride a longer distance. Today makes exactly 1 ½ Year of owning my e-bike. Thank You for making this video and Yes, ur voice is Very Clear. 😎
The EKX X21 MAX has a 3000 watt moto and tops out at 55 mph and costs $2500, If you're paying $2500+ for a Emoto or ebike with a 750 watt motor you're missing out.
One thing that worries me here is the seats. Bike seats are not made for comfort, but to interface with your skelleton (pelvic bones) in such a way that avoids impacting any soft tissues. If the seat is soft, the tissues will be compressed, and scar. This can affect males very badly. Now that's bicycles, sure. Mainly road bikes. Ebikes go faster, amplifiy the bumps, and have better suspensions. Meanwhile, with mountains bikes, you'll be standing lots of the time, so it's not as much of an issue. I've also ridden motorycles. Motorcycle seats have lots of surface area. You'll have to stand on big bumps (lest you get ejected!) but normally you're sitting. Sitting on a bike involves a greater area, though, such as all of your legs and even your feet on the pegs. When you are crouched down, there's almost no "sitting" involved. I just wonder ebikes, because they seem to be seats, seats that take most of your weight, because you can't distribute weight to working pedals as much as you can to motorcycle pegs. I'm worried that a lot of ebikers are going to have regrets when they hit their 30s and 40s.
Your post is great. But I had to chuckle at your comment that people would have regrets when they reach their 30's and 40's. Especially when they find that the biggest users of ebikes are Men in their 50's or older.
@@Greg-me8le In any neighborhood I go, I see mostly teenagers on ebikes. There's a surprising number of girls, which seem to run 2 to a bike, usually. They're usually white or sometimes Asian. In the cities, I might see an older man, but it's quite rare. They're usally adult Mexican men who I assume use them instead of cars. I do see lots of 50+ men on regular bicycles, wearing the full spandex suit or whatever. I never understood the whole "I'm going to ride my bicycle today so I'll dress up like I'm doing the Tour de France" thing.
I vote Wired if you live in a place witih decent infrastructure...no cop worries, you still get some exercise, and really the value cannot be beat. I did not realize they were going to sell a dual battery for $2k...that's kinda insane. E-Cells better get on their game I guess (looks like they even recently raised prices). Despite the range, the Mantis X has definitely changed the game though. A $2500 Revv 1 Drt looks a little overpriced now. I live in a rural hilly area so for me an E-moto is the only solution. I'm getting the Mantis unless the new Surron beats it
Have really be enjoying your videos, please keep it up! Quick question, do you find the chain scraping along the frame of the Mantis X to be annoying at all. It's my only sticking point. Thanks : ))
A well powered Electric motorcycle with great suspension that can do +60mph is typically like 6-10k msrp which is like 1.5-2x the cost of its ICE counterpart. I use to ride ebikes too back in the day, but if you have $4000-5000 in cash, a motorcycle or gas scooter will be a better investment and will last +50k miles. It's also a lot safer as its suspension will keep you from dying. Ebikes and E motorcycles are way to unregulated in my opinion. Since they aren't registered or insured, they are a liability on the road and likely to be pulled over for a $400-700 ticket. Edit: I Agree with so many points you mentioned. If you want a really powerful ebike, they can get very expensive. I hope over time they can gradually become more affordable.
I’m glad I live where I do bc it don’t matter the speed (kind of) as long as u got them bicycle pedals cops don’t bug you (or obviously ripping through the streets) it’s worth it if u live in the city more than it is worth taking it to the highway
I have the new Wired Freedom, great bang for your buck... Thinking of buying my first e motto, the Eride Proo SS 2.0 I think, $5k ... a bit more expensive but looks like lots of fun... Thanks for the great video!!! : )
Has anyone checked out the vector tycoon ebike from Germany, i am really think of getting one as it has a mode that is uk street legal as well as a mode that allows you to get up to 60 mph on private land
So you're missing the point on E-Bikes vs. E-Moto’s E-bikes have no insurance and regulations and are legal to ride in most states. E-Moto all the above so no thanks
And I do agree that some of your previous builds should be considered "death traps". The fit & finish, wire management, and component mounting did leave a lot to be desired in terms of safety. But to each his own, keep having fun!
Ok, all of those reasons are great - and much agree. However, one thing you did not address is the legality of such e-moto bikes. In other words, if you can exceed 750watts, and 28mph, then you need license and insurance. How are you dealing with this issue?
Made this transition myself - I will never road commute on a bicycle or ebike ever again. Too many hazards, and no way to jump out of the way quickly, etc. Dirt e-bike for exercise, motorcycle for commuting.
Motorbike requires higher price (bike, insurance, registration), more gear, more restrictions, and the higher speed ability makes it more unsafe (hence having more gear). Not to mention the hassle of getting the insurance and license. Edit: also less portability, I live in an apartment and need to bring my bike upstairs daily. Less exercise, even if it’s not much still keeps you active. Also as other ppl mentioned motorbikes are in danger of cops. I’m not saying e-bikes are better, just that one is not better than the other, just depends on your needs, and average use case makes e-bikes fit most people’s needs enough The only good point I see is the lack of bike infrastructure, in which case it would be safer to get something higher speed to keep up with cars. But it’s still quite unsafe to ride compared to a car, so if you can get a car, even if it’s an old beater, you should probably get one
You make some good points, but what you are doing is riding a dirtbike on the street. Aside from being quieter, it's just like riding a non-street legal dirtbike on the street. You're illegal as an eBike and illegal as a motorcycle. The fact that you haven't been caught and punished yet is a miracle. Maybe you have very permissive eBike laws in your state, but they're not legal anywhere I know of. I went through a similar path as you. Started out with a Class 3 eBike. Wanted to not pedal at 28 mph. Got an eMoped and unlocked its "Race" or "off-road" mode and was riding 32 mph in bike lanes. I knew it was only a matter of time before I got pinched. Did some ongoing battery cost calculations vs. a 125cc scooter, and the the scooter made a lot more sense if the vehicle was kept long enough to have to replace the batteries. In your case, since you value quality suspension, how about a 250 class dual sport motorcycle or supermoto? Get your training, get the license, do it right. Yamaha XT250, for example. Compare battery replacement cost on your eMoto vs. ongoing costs on an IC dual sport motorcycle. Include insurance, maintenance, and gas for the amount of mileage you go.
Audio mic-upgrade sounds Good! I personally also feel that after riding my ebike for a few months now that i am seeking now a smoother ride with increased top speed. I will still use my ebike for going on trails and just around town riding.
The reason I'd get an e bike is because you would be less likely to be bothered by cops. We have a lot of trails here, they wouldn't let a motorcycle looking bike on. The Wired Predator is an inconspicuous 6000 watt sleeper, just slap a 750 watt sticker on it and if they ask just point, yeah, 750, that's the ticket.
Do a revision on Hun vs mid drive. Yes hub drives are less maintenence, but as you yourself are saying you prefer these emotos now, and they're almost all mid drive. Something like; oil change on a talaria is worth the trouble for the insane torque compared to hub drives etc cuz it gives you that ability to get out of trouble if need be, compared to a 80nm hub motor etcetc
Where you live will be dependant on what kind of Ebike you will drive, I live right off Great lake Huron, bike path goes for miles between two towns, You can drive to either town and get everything you need from the bike path, the path to town is 7 miles one way and 22 miles the other way, so 14 and 44 miles there and back, pick your town! Dual battery is a must! Anything bigger that is needed to use the main road you are looking at a minimum speed of 65 anything less you are going to make people mad with everyone wanting to pass you! So, these are my options! Motor cycle or Ebike! A sleeper build Ebike using a Eroy Hero that can hit 67 mph giving you a 27 mile range or less using the main road or 65 mile range using the bike path. Battery technology is what has to change! Smaller, cheaper, larger range, faster charge times.
NATURE of the Beast ? I've never bought an ebike but I'm here b/c of your vast knowledge & unbiased views on a topic few really have a grasp on. That said, The nature of any "Channel" forces an evolution into other off chutes of a subject; Ebikes to Emoto-bikes >> that's a logical progression. Many channels run out of content & if they do not start a service or parts business on the back of their channel, they drop out. What you're doing makes sense & ebikes have long since been over priced & as you walk up into more powerful bikes they will have to curb their price to compete w/ fueled engines. We will see how that story unfolds but I appreciate your hard work. kudos
I have a $1500 ebike with a range of 50 miles (80km). So you should probably upgrade the battery on that bike if it's only ranging 20 miles, or are you just going full speed all the time? Ebikes don't require a license, plate, registration, and permit, nore does it require insurance. That is why people like ebikes. My ebike is a Ridstar q20, it has a seat style similar to what emotos have. All i need to do is upgrade the shock and it will be a similar comfort, a much cheaper price, and less requirements to ride one (ie; license, plate, etc). A big part of why people think the range is crap is because they are comparing the range of your affordable electric dirt bike to much more expensive gas bikes. If you look at expensive emotos, you'll find that they have similar range to expensive dirtbikes.
I bought my Onyx CTY2 with less than 1 mile on it for $2000 and it tops out at 54mph, and I for one, just absolutely love it! So, it was the RCR in your thumbnail that made me click on your video. I mean, no disrespect whenever I say, that your demeanor is quite cocky, and in every single video of yours that I’ve watched, you act as if you know everything, which is precisely the reason I’m turned off by your videos!
The future of electric bikes seems to be splitting between heavier higher power e-motos and lighter weight electric assisted pedal bike. Basically throw or power at it or lighten the bike. I prefer the latter. The government regulations are coming for the E-motos especially in the more urban areas. Looking at the comment section , there is a bias against the e dirt bike /emoto/ e moped .
Sorry to hear that you went with a wired bike. I did my investigation and found that the E cells five star cruiser is a much better buy all the way around better build better ride and a much better company to deal with.
It’s gotta be fast 72v ebike or street legal, registered e-motorcycle. There’s really no other option that I can see. Yes the ebike is illegal but u can slow down and pedal if a cop is near. 😅
I got my hands on the new, wired e-bike! It's my first e-bike, and I love it! The power is impressive and helps me climb the steep hills in my neighborhood. It's a bit bigger than I expected, but I'm getting used to it. I wear my downhill mountain biking helmet when I ride to work, and I feel safe and comfortable.
lol I spent the first few months watching your videos thinking ‘just get a motorbike already!’. Some of us must stick to pedal bikes because we have great cycling infrastructure in our cities! 😇
And garbage levels of torque compared to 32,000 watts of electric. 43hp on a gas bike is entry level but the same hp on a light weight electric motorcycle is a death machine.
Looks like battery prices in the 20-40 Amp range are finally getting CHEAP. Who wouldn't rather ride an eMoto? But those tires are ridiculous for your use. 50/50 are sane.
Too bad that bike is illegal in NJ to ride on roads without a moto license….anything above a class 2 Ebike needs a license to ride on the street, and also needs to be registered with the dmv…..
Yes the infrastructure isn't bicycle-friendly so.. establish your presence with lots of flashing lights don't give them excuses not to see you..... even in the daytime...... doesn't hurt to pull a big bulky wagon to establish your place on the road
the mini bikes have their place - If you are short or a kid. [was fun when I was 8. then growing up seems to change your perspective. I can drive a car? with a heater, AC - 4 wheels!?! then I get old & cant fit comfortably into a little car or on a mini bike - sigh
Just go get yourself a vintage honda from the 70's. Indestructible - and if you keep it for 10 years it will be worth 4x what you paid for it. Just shy away from the 750 four, unless you have some experience. Many will be cheaper than the entire kit for your first e bike... Throw a couple more bucks in and you can get yourself a fine motorcycle that will not disappoint.
The fact is that both the technical development of ebikes and the legislation is still in the gestation period, another 10 years both will be very different, it will have to be or there will be just to many electric cars that will need charging up,in the Uk it is still rather like the red flag act, cars limited to 4 miles an hour preceded by a person holding a red flag to warn the hourses, they should have also had someone following behind to pick up the bits that fell of them.
Hey, kinda ironic question due to the video... but as someone looking for 10 miles to work, 10 miles back... I'm looking for an e bike that's affordable and reliable. Any reccomendations or conversions. (By the way I also prefer the e-moto style) and my budget it under 3k
Anyone taking advice from someone who wears sandals/slides while riding a bike deserves any & all consequences
As a trauma nurse who's seen MANY motorcycle accidents, seeing someone ride dressed like this makes me EYE ROLL/SMH hard...................................
And uses electric motorcycle in the wrong area
Sounds like someone has never been to Thailand 😂😂
young and dumb....
No pedals, so it's actually illegal. I mean I didn't see a license plate, it's just a matter of time before you get a cop with a hard on to nab you for driving that thing unregistered/uninsured/no plates and has it towed. The Revv1 is a better option.
No pedals means it's a mo-ped then and need license and plates
Thats only if you go by the books
I mean who goes by the books these days hahhahhaha
Thats not an ebike. Its an electric dirt bike. If you want to get pulled over by the cops daily then buy one lf those. My state will impound your bike for 30 days. Plus violations are criminal offenses not civil infractions.
What State do you live in?
Communist china
Yeah, I'll move there. Here in Austin, TX, douchebags are riding these in the bike lane all day. If it goes over 28mph, it needs a license and insurance. F*ck anyone who rides these in the bike lane, I hope regulation comes heavy and soon@@Sherman1862
Thats why i dont live in cities
And that's my point too. However was curious if we can get plates for them? But, if so it limits one to the roads and private trails. I have a bit of property however we have miles of bike trails that blow away the roads. Something like the Wired Predator would slide right by the cops however,,, zip.
I stopped riding legal ebikes and started riding electric dirt bikes where they don't belong. There fixed it.
If it is safer then it belongs on the road just as much if not more than an ebike. I ride in the countryside and its true, it is sketchy not keeping up with traffic when u need to
@@user-rl6fs6rd7m He's riding his motorbike on the bike paths
@@user-rl6fs6rd7mhe didn’t say it was less safe. This guy is riding where he doesn’t belong. He rides above e-bike speeds, but without complying with motorcycle laws, and also rides in bike lanes etc, where a motorcycle isn’t allowed. So breaking laws in both directions.
@@DrKnowNothing1 Ok but in the context of the video its about practical matters, not legal ones.
@@user-rl6fs6rd7mgetting your motorcycle impounded, for riding on a bike path, is impractical.
The problem with E-motos is cops and price..All contact with police is potentially dangerous, unfortunately that is a fact..The vast majority of the time you'll be fine, but it is Russian roulette in America..Some of us live in towns that police don't care, and some are not that lucky..
@@os10v311 I did that very thing when I was younger, but you carry the caskets of your buddies and you tend to give that up..
If that's an electric motorcycle, and it is, why is he riding it in the bike lane and on shared pathways/walkways?
because he is a d-bag that wants all the benefits that cyclists work for to protect themselves while traveling, but do none of the actual work. At least an actual e-bike has pedals and they just have a motor that ramps up the gearing when activated. You still have to actually pedal in order to keep the motor working.
This dude is straight up driving an electric motorcycle, and acting like re-inventing the motorcycle is something that the DOT and BMV don't care about.
Cause nobody cares
This is america
I’m in America and where is he at? In Pennsylvania what he was doing is illegal. E-motos are pretty much pointless in this state. They are considered a motorcycle so insurance, registration, inspection, and a license plate are required. At that point you might as well get a gas motorcycle that can do highway speeds.
@@tenza7545you are right ,but for the electric moto being slow is a lack of knowledge,as it is way more torquy than a gas engine,just depend what you buy.
I have been a follower of your content for quite sometime. You usually make many good, thoughtful points. Unless I missed it, you should have talked about the price, top speed & range of your ride. One last thing, I'm sure other people have mentioned this before, but wearing plastic slides on your feet is absolutely crazy. I wouldn't even do that on my 37 year old Diamond Back Apex mountain bike. Once you rip your toenails off in a crash, which I have, you tend to be a bit more safety conscious. Once bitten, twice shy.
I dont know if you've done enough research on ebikes. I bought an ECells 5 Star for $1800. It has good dual suspension, gets up to 40, and I have no issues in traffic. On range, yesterday I rode 55 miles on 1 charge. For the saddle, I just upgraded to a Cloud 9. There out there one just have to look.
3:32 a dedicated bike lane that your motorcycle doesn't belong in.
Yeah thats not a good idea and brings attention that we don't want or need
Relax. It’s bike after all.
Well unfortunately with a motorcycle you have to include the cost and hassle of insuring and registering the vehicle.
Yeah that phone call has to be so hard, sarcasm
@@polstery Fair enough.
For the cost Google Ai claims the national average motorcycle insurance is $33 a month (YMMV, less for bundling, ...grain of salt, etc.)
Or, just don't get reg/ins and see what happens.
Won’t be long till these are going to fall under normal motorcycle requirements. They will be plated in a year, then all you have is a super expensive dirt bike with shitty range. E bikes will get regulated as well, but not to the degree these will
@@nathancereska8215they are going to need DOT rated tires and lights to be licensed, most of these e-motos are going to be banned from use on public roads just like a dirt bike.
@@nathancereska8215 Most of them already do, but are in a legal grey area due to the BMV not having an appropriate licensing program for the vast majority of the builds. Actual e-bikes are actually "illegal" in most places due to the electric motor making it a motor vehicle, but the rest of the bike not fitting the requirements for a registered motor cycle(or fit the definition of the
Emotos or non functional, non-pedal ebikes are no longer legal on public roads or bike lanes here in Cali. I had a feeling shit was gonna come down on them sooner or later with all the teenagers flocking to them over here and driving like assholes. So I'm certainly relieved to have gone with a moped style ebike(with proper pedals) instead cuz I can still legally do bicycle things with it.
Same in NJ and NY i believe
This was one of the most helpful videos I've watched recently. I've been following both categories, and am trying to make sense of them. I'm a long time motorcycle rider (mostly BMWs, R1200RT, K1300S etc), and a long time bicycle rider (rode my bicycle across the US solo and still ride multiple times a week). But the tradeoffs you're talking about are exactly what I'm curious about. Thank you!
Horsepower is the unit of measurement of power. It was first used by James Watt. 1 hp is approximately equal to 746 watts. One horsepower is 550 lbs moved one foot in one second. Put a 550lb rider on that bike and ride up a very steep hill. I tried it and it didn’t move at all.
Wired return policy is pretty weak. They wouldn't exchange my bike because it had more miles than they allow. Which was milage working with them to troubleshoot an issue. I had to dump another $600 into it myself to get it fixed.
There's an dual motor ebike that claims 200 miles range, top speed 45 mph for only about $1600...Aniioki a8
Totally. Thing is... You can't really get away with emotos on the bike paths in my city (of which there are many).
Don't wanna be stuck in 50 mph surface streets when there's traffic.
Emotos are terrible if you have bike lanes, good if you don't.
I live in Chicago, they absolutely don’t care. They also don’t care in LA, Huston, and New York City if you ride in the bike lane or bike paths as long as you’re not being a dick.
@@LMV123 Well in suburban LA (where all the cops actually live) they care like they're bustin El Chapo)
@@CommentLikeDescribe that’s fair
@@NPLVentureshow does the Mantis X compare to the $3500 Rerode R1?
You showed my bike years ago that has since been upgraded to 72V 5Kw and battery more integrated into the bike. Orange full suspension mid drive bike. The bike can hit 50+mph and rides like a dream. The possibilities are still out there to build a fantastic e-mtn bike and have just about everything a emoto has without worrying too much about legalities since it looks more like a bike.
Keywords, dirt bike
So your preference has evolved into being a scofflaw? ... No plate, do you have liability insurance? And your electric dirt bike isn't a traditional bike, you have no business being on bike infrastructure with such a vehicle. There is a very good reason why ebikes have speed limitations and suches, and balancing public risk is one of them.
Audio is excellent, and it's fine for your tastes and preferences to evolve. I do group rides with gas bikes and Surron's all the time, and the most fun I've had was blasting along the trails on the heels of a Surron. For 200 range, you must be talking about full-on motorcycles. I've never seen a gas moped with a 200 mile range, and when I did a group ride with them where *I* was warned it would be a long ride, it was the gas bikes that needed to stop at a gas station and refuel. I'm also wondering what type of e-bike only gets 20 miles of range. Are we talking a Jetson Bolt Pro? 😉 I used to get 30 to 40 miles on a Rad folding fat tire bike when it was stock. The Mantis X is said to do 62 miles, but that's in eco mode with a top speed of 30mph. I've considered an e-moto, even have a short list of ones I want when the time comes. I'll likely go with the Spark Javelin which will do over 60mph, is sold as a rock at high speed, and is NHTSA approved for fully legal road use. The problem for me right now is that I can't ride an e-moto on trails and in parks, and that's where I do most of my riding. Stay safe, and let us know how the Wired works out!
All very good points. I live in the very center of Houston, Texas and my two battery 35 mph 30 mile range Raev GTX is perfect for all our neighborhoods and side streets but I took it up to Arkansas and it was woefully inadequate.
That's not a very nice thing to say about Arkansas!😜
i live on the southwest side of Houston where the bike lanes only connect park to park and have shoulders and call them bike lanes. I own a emoto to keep up with traffic
@@sonle7019 , cool! I’m by the Galleria Costco
@@gedofgont1006 haha!!! Touché. We fell in love with Bentonville this year. We’re gonna try Lake Hamilton next. We’re scoping out places to retire in a few years.
In terms of micro-mobility/not using a car for stuff, do you have any videos on storage solutions you like that let you do things like grocery trips without a car?
Like pannier bags, bike trailers, etc.?
Sounds to me more like your preference is to feed an adrenaline addiction. Of course bicycles become death traps over 25 MPH, they were never engineered for that; I can get around the city to places I need to be on time going no faster than 25 MPH, riding an eBike that can blend easily and safely with pedestrian traffic when need be. In most cases, it's still just as fast as taking a car from point A to point B.
What kind of emoto do you recommend for someone that's 5'6 and 190 lbs ? I need a smaller one I can get on and feel conferrable on.
Can't afford a e moto. That's why I got an e-bike. Wired freedom does okay. Got it used for $900.
That's a steal for the Freedom
Good Morning, Good video. I ride an e-bike all the time for everything from groceries to whatever, but less than a few weeks after owning my e-bike, my ass was hurting and the pain was travelling through my spine up my back. My son suggested I replace my saddle with my older scooter seat. After I did that, my e-bike became very comfortable and I was able to ride a longer distance. Today makes exactly 1 ½ Year of owning my e-bike. Thank You for making this video and Yes, ur voice is Very Clear. 😎
The EKX X21 MAX has a 3000 watt moto and tops out at 55 mph and costs $2500, If you're paying $2500+ for a Emoto or ebike with a 750 watt motor you're missing out.
One thing that worries me here is the seats. Bike seats are not made for comfort, but to interface with your skelleton (pelvic bones) in such a way that avoids impacting any soft tissues. If the seat is soft, the tissues will be compressed, and scar. This can affect males very badly. Now that's bicycles, sure. Mainly road bikes. Ebikes go faster, amplifiy the bumps, and have better suspensions. Meanwhile, with mountains bikes, you'll be standing lots of the time, so it's not as much of an issue. I've also ridden motorycles. Motorcycle seats have lots of surface area. You'll have to stand on big bumps (lest you get ejected!) but normally you're sitting. Sitting on a bike involves a greater area, though, such as all of your legs and even your feet on the pegs. When you are crouched down, there's almost no "sitting" involved. I just wonder ebikes, because they seem to be seats, seats that take most of your weight, because you can't distribute weight to working pedals as much as you can to motorcycle pegs. I'm worried that a lot of ebikers are going to have regrets when they hit their 30s and 40s.
Your post is great. But I had to chuckle at your comment that people would have regrets when they reach their 30's and 40's. Especially when they find that the biggest users of ebikes are Men in their 50's or older.
@@Greg-me8le In any neighborhood I go, I see mostly teenagers on ebikes. There's a surprising number of girls, which seem to run 2 to a bike, usually. They're usually white or sometimes Asian. In the cities, I might see an older man, but it's quite rare. They're usally adult Mexican men who I assume use them instead of cars. I do see lots of 50+ men on regular bicycles, wearing the full spandex suit or whatever. I never understood the whole "I'm going to ride my bicycle today so I'll dress up like I'm doing the Tour de France" thing.
I'm 64 and I don't know what you're talking about
A dirt bike is not a bicycle. Most Ebike buyers wanted a bicyce, not a motorcyle that needed a license plate and insurance
I just bought the Graffiti X ebike...I love it. Fast full suspension magura brakes, 40ah, 6000w headlamp. It's a Comfortable bike.
I vote Wired if you live in a place witih decent infrastructure...no cop worries, you still get some exercise, and really the value cannot be beat. I did not realize they were going to sell a dual battery for $2k...that's kinda insane. E-Cells better get on their game I guess (looks like they even recently raised prices).
Despite the range, the Mantis X has definitely changed the game though. A $2500 Revv 1 Drt looks a little overpriced now.
I live in a rural hilly area so for me an E-moto is the only solution. I'm getting the Mantis unless the new Surron beats it
Have really be enjoying your videos, please keep it up! Quick question, do you find the chain scraping along the frame of the Mantis X to be annoying at all. It's my only sticking point. Thanks : ))
A well powered Electric motorcycle with great suspension that can do +60mph is typically like 6-10k msrp which is like 1.5-2x the cost of its ICE counterpart. I use to ride ebikes too back in the day, but if you have $4000-5000 in cash, a motorcycle or gas scooter will be a better investment and will last +50k miles. It's also a lot safer as its suspension will keep you from dying.
Ebikes and E motorcycles are way to unregulated in my opinion. Since they aren't registered or insured, they are a liability on the road and likely to be pulled over for a $400-700 ticket.
Edit: I Agree with so many points you mentioned. If you want a really powerful ebike, they can get very expensive. I hope over time they can gradually become more affordable.
I’m glad I live where I do bc it don’t matter the speed (kind of) as long as u got them bicycle pedals cops don’t bug you (or obviously ripping through the streets) it’s worth it if u live in the city more than it is worth taking it to the highway
I have the new Wired Freedom, great bang for your buck... Thinking of buying my first e motto, the Eride Proo SS 2.0 I think, $5k ... a bit more expensive but looks like lots of fun... Thanks for the great video!!! : )
Facts. New Jersey for sure. Hardly no bike lanes. No respect for bikers. Some towns.
Has anyone checked out the vector tycoon ebike from Germany, i am really think of getting one as it has a mode that is uk street legal as well as a mode that allows you to get up to 60 mph on private land
What's the Lyric Graffiti X considered? bike or E moto? keep in mind it has pedals but also has a long seat & range 🤔
So you're missing the point on E-Bikes vs. E-Moto’s
E-bikes have no insurance and regulations and are legal to ride in most states.
E-Moto all the above so no thanks
The point is you don’t need to register emotos, that’s the point. How dumb can you be?
And I do agree that some of your previous builds should be considered "death traps". The fit & finish, wire management, and component mounting did leave a lot to be desired in terms of safety. But to each his own, keep having fun!
I am looking foward to my ecell dual battery stepstar
But it’s just an electric motorcycle. No pedals so how do you get ant exercise?
1:36 sounds crispy af ...supper impressive
Got me a suspended dropper post, 13" wide noseless seat, no complaints now
Ok, all of those reasons are great - and much agree.
However, one thing you did not address is the legality of such e-moto bikes.
In other words, if you can exceed 750watts, and 28mph, then you need license and insurance.
How are you dealing with this issue?
Do you prefer better torque or better top end?
Try Aniioki A8 Pro max 52v, or Aniioki A9 pro max dual motor
Made this transition myself - I will never road commute on a bicycle or ebike ever again. Too many hazards, and no way to jump out of the way quickly, etc. Dirt e-bike for exercise, motorcycle for commuting.
Motorbike requires higher price (bike, insurance, registration), more gear, more restrictions, and the higher speed ability makes it more unsafe (hence having more gear). Not to mention the hassle of getting the insurance and license.
Edit: also less portability, I live in an apartment and need to bring my bike upstairs daily. Less exercise, even if it’s not much still keeps you active. Also as other ppl mentioned motorbikes are in danger of cops. I’m not saying e-bikes are better, just that one is not better than the other, just depends on your needs, and average use case makes e-bikes fit most people’s needs enough
The only good point I see is the lack of bike infrastructure, in which case it would be safer to get something higher speed to keep up with cars. But it’s still quite unsafe to ride compared to a car, so if you can get a car, even if it’s an old beater, you should probably get one
You make some good points, but what you are doing is riding a dirtbike on the street. Aside from being quieter, it's just like riding a non-street legal dirtbike on the street. You're illegal as an eBike and illegal as a motorcycle. The fact that you haven't been caught and punished yet is a miracle. Maybe you have very permissive eBike laws in your state, but they're not legal anywhere I know of.
I went through a similar path as you. Started out with a Class 3 eBike. Wanted to not pedal at 28 mph. Got an eMoped and unlocked its "Race" or "off-road" mode and was riding 32 mph in bike lanes. I knew it was only a matter of time before I got pinched. Did some ongoing battery cost calculations vs. a 125cc scooter, and the the scooter made a lot more sense if the vehicle was kept long enough to have to replace the batteries.
In your case, since you value quality suspension, how about a 250 class dual sport motorcycle or supermoto? Get your training, get the license, do it right. Yamaha XT250, for example. Compare battery replacement cost on your eMoto vs. ongoing costs on an IC dual sport motorcycle. Include insurance, maintenance, and gas for the amount of mileage you go.
Audio mic-upgrade sounds Good!
I personally also feel that after riding my ebike for a few months now that i am seeking now a smoother ride with increased top speed.
I will still use my ebike for going on trails and just around town riding.
The reason I'd get an e bike is because you would be less likely to be bothered by cops. We have a lot of trails here, they wouldn't let a motorcycle looking bike on. The Wired Predator is an inconspicuous 6000 watt sleeper, just slap a 750 watt sticker on it and if they ask just point, yeah, 750, that's the ticket.
I'm with you, comfort does make the ride more enjoyable . I have spent many dollars on different seats and even bought the seat pole
are they allowed on the road?
Do a revision on Hun vs mid drive. Yes hub drives are less maintenence, but as you yourself are saying you prefer these emotos now, and they're almost all mid drive. Something like; oil change on a talaria is worth the trouble for the insane torque compared to hub drives etc cuz it gives you that ability to get out of trouble if need be, compared to a 80nm hub motor etcetc
Where you live will be dependant on what kind of Ebike you will drive, I live right off Great lake Huron, bike path goes for miles between two towns, You can drive to either town and get everything you need from the bike path, the path to town is 7 miles one way and 22 miles the other way, so 14 and 44 miles there and back, pick your town! Dual battery is a must! Anything bigger that is needed to use the main road you are looking at a minimum speed of 65 anything less you are going to make people mad with everyone wanting to pass you! So, these are my options! Motor cycle or Ebike! A sleeper build Ebike using a Eroy Hero that can hit 67 mph giving you a 27 mile range or less using the main road or 65 mile range using the bike path. Battery technology is what has to change! Smaller, cheaper, larger range, faster charge times.
What happened to the lyric voodoo?
Rode the solar eclipse?,any good?
how is your electric motorcycle registered, being its more then a 750W motor, is it registered as a moped or motorcycle????????
Good sound, I just got a new set but if it sucks I’ll be back to see what you got
This is Fernando from México. Do You ever go to work or run errands on your e-moto, or you're just ridding arround just for TH-cam sake?
Clear audio, really good upgrade
I still have my ebike, but i moved on to a Honda Rebel 1100 DCT and Honda ADV 160.
NATURE of the Beast ? I've never bought an ebike but I'm here b/c of your vast knowledge & unbiased views on a
topic few really have a grasp on. That said, The nature of any "Channel" forces an evolution into other off chutes
of a subject; Ebikes to Emoto-bikes >> that's a logical progression. Many channels run out of content & if they do
not start a service or parts business on the back of their channel, they drop out. What you're doing makes sense
& ebikes have long since been over priced & as you walk up into more powerful bikes they will have to curb their
price to compete w/ fueled engines. We will see how that story unfolds but I appreciate your hard work. kudos
chasing speed and power is addictive
I used to watch your channel, but not lately. If I want info on e-dirt-bikes, I'll watch Sir Ronster.
Sounds good and thanks for the video.
I just received my wired freedom ebike yesterday and I love it the power and range are awesome.
Wired are TERRIBLE bikes
I have a $1500 ebike with a range of 50 miles (80km). So you should probably upgrade the battery on that bike if it's only ranging 20 miles, or are you just going full speed all the time?
Ebikes don't require a license, plate, registration, and permit, nore does it require insurance. That is why people like ebikes.
My ebike is a Ridstar q20, it has a seat style similar to what emotos have. All i need to do is upgrade the shock and it will be a similar comfort, a much cheaper price, and less requirements to ride one (ie; license, plate, etc).
A big part of why people think the range is crap is because they are comparing the range of your affordable electric dirt bike to much more expensive gas bikes. If you look at expensive emotos, you'll find that they have similar range to expensive dirtbikes.
There's a $50 device that you can use to piggy-back a second battery and it takes care of everything. Can be different sizes and same voltage.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I bought my Onyx CTY2 with less than 1 mile on it for $2000 and it tops out at 54mph, and I for one, just absolutely love it! So, it was the RCR in your thumbnail that made me click on your video. I mean, no disrespect whenever I say, that your demeanor is quite cocky, and in every single video of yours that I’ve watched, you act as if you know everything, which is precisely the reason I’m turned off by your videos!
The future of electric bikes seems to be splitting between heavier higher power e-motos and lighter weight electric assisted pedal bike. Basically throw or power at it or lighten the bike. I prefer the latter. The government regulations are coming for the E-motos especially in the more urban areas. Looking at the comment section , there is a bias against the e dirt bike /emoto/ e moped .
Sorry to hear that you went with a wired bike. I did my investigation and found that the E cells five star cruiser is a much better buy all the way around better build better ride and a much better company to deal with.
Boo
I’m just trying to get to work bro 😭
I agree still have my 72v pedal bikes but the xxx is like a cadilac compared to those
There's a reason why your bicycle seat is split its to preserve your manhood circulation
E motos are just too expensive compared to gas motos and you can't fast charge them like Teslas.
With no range also
It’s gotta be fast 72v ebike or street legal, registered e-motorcycle. There’s really no other option that I can see. Yes the ebike is illegal but u can slow down and pedal if a cop is near. 😅
I got my hands on the new, wired e-bike! It's my first e-bike, and I love it! The power is impressive and helps me climb the steep hills in my neighborhood. It's a bit bigger than I expected, but I'm getting used to it. I wear my downhill mountain biking helmet when I ride to work, and I feel safe and comfortable.
it looks way more comfortable. but I have an 8 year old daughter and I dont want to get fucked up too bad. dont trust myself!
lol I spent the first few months watching your videos thinking ‘just get a motorbike already!’. Some of us must stick to pedal bikes because we have great cycling infrastructure in our cities! 😇
You forgot to tell them the 20 miles range cost 20 cents..... ?? Anything up to 50kg or 100lbs ish
Thoughts on Talaria XXX vs Rawrr Mantis X? Which one would you pick?
Only reason to choose talaria xxx, in my view, is if you want a pedal kit.
Oh yeah. I didn’t even think about the pedal kit. That makes a lot of sense.
My gas moto has 43hp, that's 32,000 watts.
And garbage levels of torque compared to 32,000 watts of electric. 43hp on a gas bike is entry level but the same hp on a light weight electric motorcycle is a death machine.
@@longrove5710 A 10,000 watt emoto has 13.4 horsepower.
Watch out with the wired freedom, its getting the death wobble in some cases.
Looks like battery prices in the 20-40 Amp range are finally getting CHEAP.
Who wouldn't rather ride an eMoto? But those tires are ridiculous for your use. 50/50 are sane.
Too bad that bike is illegal in NJ to ride on roads without a moto license….anything above a class 2 Ebike needs a license to ride on the street, and also needs to be registered with the dmv…..
Yes the infrastructure isn't bicycle-friendly so.. establish your presence with lots of flashing lights don't give them excuses not to see you..... even in the daytime...... doesn't hurt to pull a big bulky wagon to establish your place on the road
the mini bikes have their place - If you are short or a kid. [was fun when I was 8.
then growing up seems to change your perspective. I can drive a car? with a heater, AC - 4 wheels!?!
then I get old & cant fit comfortably into a little car or on a mini bike - sigh
Mic is good and clear
Just go get yourself a vintage honda from the 70's. Indestructible - and if you keep it for 10 years it will be worth 4x what you paid for it. Just shy away from the 750 four, unless you have some experience. Many will be cheaper than the entire kit for your first e bike... Throw a couple more bucks in and you can get yourself a fine motorcycle that will not disappoint.
I sold my wired freedom last year…. Huge mistake
Cost of batteries is obscene.
The fact is that both the technical development of ebikes and the legislation is still in the gestation period, another 10 years both will be very different, it will have to be or there will be just to many electric cars that will need charging up,in the Uk it is still rather like the red flag act, cars limited to 4 miles an hour preceded by a person holding a red flag to warn the hourses, they should have also had someone following behind to pick up the bits that fell of them.
At this point, while riding illegal emoto's on the road, just get a motorcycle like a big boy.
Why don’t you just get a gas motor cycle instead of e motor?
There is no loophole culture, did you forget about tags insurance and a license to drive that?
An Ebke is as dangerous as the person riding it , change the rider ,and strangely the same ebike become s safe amazingly
Why I don't bother with channels that have the obsession to post anti-product videos about everything.
Missed the main point,"price"
Hey, kinda ironic question due to the video... but as someone looking for 10 miles to work, 10 miles back... I'm looking for an e bike that's affordable and reliable. Any reccomendations or conversions. (By the way I also prefer the e-moto style) and my budget it under 3k