I hope people that are in the area and use this shop realize how fortunate they are to have a guy like this. Pro shops that pay this much attention to detail are very, very far and few between. I pretty much have my own “pro shop” in my garage and do all my own work because there isn’t a guy like “mfjj” within a thousand miles of my house.
Dude, I learned to tune my own bow because nobody ever got it completely right. My arrows were hitting the rest, four fletched, but vanes fell off, one did a d-loop and rest cord, but let me leave without shooting through paper, another sent me out with a new bow and crooked loop to "train" to be straight. Anyway, now I can fix everything myself and work on my friends bows too.
Always appreciate the attention to detail and willingness to share knowledge with all of us! Great shop, great vids, great love of EVERYTHING archery! Will always be my Pro Shop for ALL my archery needs as SVA and MFJJ have been my go to since 2003! Still killing it!
I use the machined edge of a good level to do the same. Once it rests flat on both cams, they're pointing straight. I think my level is machined with closer tolerances than the laser, but honestly I don't know if it really matters because it seems like there are at least a dozen ways any given bow can be tuned and shoot awesome. I think we pay too much attention to tuning bows instead of shooting them which would pay off a lot more for most people.
Love the content, Josh! It was great to meet you at Redding this past weekend! We met you when you were leaving the on Sunday on the road as you were taking off from the shoot!
IF you have a torpedo laser, you can do the same BUT you have to have the same distance from edge of tool to laser vs edge of cam to laser. No I'm not saying Josh is wrong, I'm just adding to help us do it ourselves guys or techs. Keep up the excellent work MFJJ!
Again great info. I was concerned about messing with the bow at full draw until I noticed how your draw board works. Much safer than I thought. Need more info on it as I made my own press and might be able to make a version of your draw board
Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos! Will definitely go to the shop if ever in the area. Halon X with "Sooo many questions" is shooting great too!!!
If the laser is resting on the outside of the cam and the laser dot is pointing in the center of the string track of the other cam..........isn't it still leaning?
If you adjust the top cam so the lazer is centered on the bottom then repeat the process on the bottom cam, as soon as you adjust the bottom cam would it not throw out the top cam alignment again?
That was going to be my question too. Why not just do one cam since they are lined up when you initially adjusted the top to match the bottom? How can that first adjustment still be perfect if you then move the bottom one?
out of curiousity what cam systems are possibly different from this type of alignment? for example do hoyt bows actually group better with slightly misaligned cams..or pse or mathews. Wanting to know what system you have had your hands on that suggested this type of alignment may not work with that system. Thanks
MFJJ- got a question- would a device like the October mountain tru center laser alignment thing work as well as the spot Hogg laser ? I realize the difference in design, as with the OMP you aren’t shooting the laser from the plane of one cam to the other like with the Hogg version. But just wondering since it’s much cheaper and can also serve other purposes(center shot/bow/arrow level) …wondering if it’s a decent option? The omp is shooting a beam from sight/center shot area to each cam….would it not show you the cam lean well enough ? Thanks in advance
I would be interested in this as well. I have been guessing (but not tried it yet), that if you have a draw board you could draw the bow to full draw with the OMP tool on and then adjust the cams until they are also centershot. So that both arrow rest and cams are centershot. Would that not do the same thing?
Factory specs allow for about 1/8” of center shot play just for the reason very few bows cams are dead center of the riser. Also after setting it to factory position, the only way I can make a cam lean even slightly is to adjust only one cam and not the other. The bow is almost dead nuts off the shelf so needing that amount of cam movement one way or the other to get a bullet hole is basically not gonna happen. Mine shot a bullet hole first shot after the tech had it about 2 minutes. They do have they’re flaws though.
Hello I am from the province of Québec just bought a solution SS what kind of draw board do you use on the video when you adjust the cam on a bowtech love all your videos from a Québécois 👍
Hi Podium, seems to me when you are aligning the first cam to the other you are turning the deadlock screw counter clockwise which will move the cam towards the red deadlock block which when looking at where your spot hogg laser was to the left of the other cam. My understanding is that when you are turning the adjusting screw on the red block it moves the laser towards the deadlock red block? Not sure why you did not turn the adjusting screw clockwise to move it towards the black block on the opposite side? Please advise as I am missing something unless thats a left handed bow in your drawboard? Cant tell.
I was reading on Archery Talk that on the deadlock bowtech system archers saying that there is no cam lean? Then some others said there is?? Not sure what to believe there? Please advise.
That was awesome . How would you compare your revolt X to the newer Solution ??? Much of an improvement or is the Revolt X still awesome ?? (I like the specs and aesthetics of the X more lol)
The REVOLT and REVOLT X are great bows. I shoot the REVOLT . The deadlock cams flip disc tech. Clutch grip. I have the new hamskea rest. Shoot axis arrows. Great set up.
I think it's safe to guess that he doesn't because he's ready to take the bow out of the draw board at the end of the video. Center shot is generally done with the bow at brace.
The Elite Rezult with set technology is i better system the bowtech moves it side to side, strings have twists and cause torque which leans your cam, the Elite cambers on the limbs through the limb pockets countering the torque on the angle compensating for the twist, the bowtech just moves the cam side to side with no compensation or counteraction at all just side to side.
Could you do the same thing with a Mathews top hat system using the Spot Hogg laser alignment tool, TRX40 for example? I understand this is more of a coarse adjustment methodology but could the same concept be applied for leveling cams prior to setting to 13/16?.
Another great video! I purchased a Solution a few months back, my draw length is somewhere between 27 and 27.5, any tips on getting it fine tuned to that number? Right now the mod is set to 27. Thanks!!!
You can twist up the cables about 4 turns to increase drawlength by 1/8", but draw weight would go up also. Then back out the limbs a turn or two to add another ~1/8" of drawlength. This will also bring the draw weight back down.
Seems to me that you pointed the side of one cam at the center of the other. That puts them on two different planes, intersecting each other. Not on same plane pointing at each other.
I understand the process that you are showing us but the way that the bow is moving around I don't see that it's very accurate there must be a better solution
They do, but temperatures, shooting your bow, breaking in etc. can change the dynamic and static length of the string/cables over time. This is why your cam timing, draw length, cam lean, etc. should be checked more frequently during the first few hundred shots until you are quite sure everything is shot in and holding up well. Every bow on the market will need at least some tuning after the initial break in period and again after some time. Cam lean shouldn’t be your main focus however IMHO, as some new bows will set up and tune with some amount of cam lean especially at brace. IMO actual arrow flight and cam timing are far more crucial to a consistent tune in modern compounds. I could be wrong though as I’m not an expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
I hope people that are in the area and use this shop realize how fortunate they are to have a guy like this. Pro shops that pay this much attention to detail are very, very far and few between.
I pretty much have my own “pro shop” in my garage and do all my own work because there isn’t a guy like “mfjj” within a thousand miles of my house.
Dude, I learned to tune my own bow because nobody ever got it completely right. My arrows were hitting the rest, four fletched, but vanes fell off, one did a d-loop and rest cord, but let me leave without shooting through paper, another sent me out with a new bow and crooked loop to "train" to be straight. Anyway, now I can fix everything myself and work on my friends bows too.
I Agree He is the BEST MFJJ n S.V.A. Str8 Rocks!! 👍🏹
Agreed, simplest and most precise system in the industry IMO.
Always appreciate the attention to detail and willingness to share knowledge with all of us! Great shop, great vids, great love of EVERYTHING archery! Will always be my Pro Shop for ALL my archery needs as SVA and MFJJ have been my go to since 2003! Still killing it!
I use the machined edge of a good level to do the same. Once it rests flat on both cams, they're pointing straight. I think my level is machined with closer tolerances than the laser, but honestly I don't know if it really matters because it seems like there are at least a dozen ways any given bow can be tuned and shoot awesome. I think we pay too much attention to tuning bows instead of shooting them which would pay off a lot more for most people.
Love the content, Josh! It was great to meet you at Redding this past weekend! We met you when you were leaving the on Sunday on the road as you were taking off from the shoot!
I need a video of that draw board!!! That looks sweet and I need a draw board
IF you have a torpedo laser, you can do the same BUT you have to have the same distance from edge of tool to laser vs edge of cam to laser. No I'm not saying Josh is wrong, I'm just adding to help us do it ourselves guys or techs. Keep up the excellent work MFJJ!
Could you make a video about your vertical draw board? That thing is awesome!
Any idea what draw board this is?
Again great info. I was concerned about messing with the bow at full draw until I noticed how your draw board works. Much safer than I thought. Need more info on it as I made my own press and might be able to make a version of your draw board
Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos! Will definitely go to the shop if ever in the area. Halon X with "Sooo many questions" is shooting great too!!!
My question is why don’t Bowtech line up the cams from factory?
You can also use a straight edge across the cams and save $150
When you're measuring 13/16 off the riser. Is that of the center of the arrow or the edge?
Would love to know if you would adjust an Elite Kure on a draw board as well???
If the laser is resting on the outside of the cam and the laser dot is pointing in the center of the string track of the other cam..........isn't it still leaning?
If you adjust the top cam so the lazer is centered on the bottom then repeat the process on the bottom cam, as soon as you adjust the bottom cam would it not throw out the top cam alignment again?
That was going to be my question too. Why not just do one cam since they are lined up when you initially adjusted the top to match the bottom? How can that first adjustment still be perfect if you then move the bottom one?
out of curiousity what cam systems are possibly different from this type of alignment? for example do hoyt bows actually group better with slightly misaligned cams..or pse or mathews. Wanting to know what system you have had your hands on that suggested this type of alignment may not work with that system. Thanks
MFJJ- got a question- would a device like the October mountain tru center laser alignment thing work as well as the spot Hogg laser ? I realize the difference in design, as with the OMP you aren’t shooting the laser from the plane of one cam to the other like with the Hogg version. But just wondering since it’s much cheaper and can also serve other purposes(center shot/bow/arrow level) …wondering if it’s a decent option? The omp is shooting a beam from sight/center shot area to each cam….would it not show you the cam lean well enough ? Thanks in advance
I would be interested in this as well. I have been guessing (but not tried it yet), that if you have a draw board you could draw the bow to full draw with the OMP tool on and then adjust the cams until they are also centershot. So that both arrow rest and cams are centershot. Would that not do the same thing?
Sooooooo what happens if you move the cams to adjust the lean but it pushes string out of center shot?
Factory specs allow for about 1/8” of center shot play just for the reason very few bows cams are dead center of the riser. Also after setting it to factory position, the only way I can make a cam lean even slightly is to adjust only one cam and not the other. The bow is almost dead nuts off the shelf so needing that amount of cam movement one way or the other to get a bullet hole is basically not gonna happen. Mine shot a bullet hole first shot after the tech had it about 2 minutes. They do have they’re flaws though.
Hello I am from the province of Québec just bought a solution SS what kind of draw board do you use on the video when you adjust the cam on a bowtech love all your videos from a Québécois 👍
BUT... when you adjust the second cam does it not throw you off from your first measurement.
Did you ever do the yoke tune video?
Forgot to mention that I am shooting a Revolt X
I've got to book a lesson with MFJJ. YOU'RE A WIZARD
Hey where can you get a draw board that draws without creating cam lean? My lca doesn’t draw centered
Hi Podium, seems to me when you are aligning the first cam to the other you are turning the deadlock screw counter clockwise which will move the cam towards the red deadlock block which when looking at where your spot hogg laser was to the left of the other cam. My understanding is that when you are turning the adjusting screw on the red block it moves the laser towards the deadlock red block? Not sure why you did not turn the adjusting screw clockwise to move it towards the black block on the opposite side? Please advise as I am missing something unless thats a left handed bow in your drawboard? Cant tell.
I was reading on Archery Talk that on the deadlock bowtech system archers saying that there is no cam lean? Then some others said there is?? Not sure what to believe there? Please advise.
MFJJ is it possible to upgrade my Bowtech Captain to the deadlock Cam system ?
How does this system compare to elite’s set cam technology?
My man really trusts that d loop
When they are made right they dont fail😉
To the loop is the right way to do it ,it makes a difference on some bows ,but safety line should be used to the string
That was awesome .
How would you compare your revolt X to the newer Solution ??? Much of an improvement or is the Revolt X still awesome ?? (I like the specs and aesthetics of the X more lol)
I would like to see long term review on revolt x.
The REVOLT and REVOLT X are great bows. I shoot the REVOLT . The deadlock cams flip disc tech. Clutch grip. I have the new hamskea rest. Shoot axis arrows. Great set up.
That’s clever as heck
I thought the main reason they came up with the dead lock system was so you could tune your bow in the field there and then with just a allen key?
You can. This is showing you how to set it even from the start
Great video. Are you setting 13/16 center shot at full draw also?
I think it's safe to guess that he doesn't because he's ready to take the bow out of the draw board at the end of the video. Center shot is generally done with the bow at brace.
Why didn't you show the reflex measurement on the hoyt rx7 ultra
So after you adjust cams at full draw is there a chance when bow is not at full draw cams can have a bit of lean?
Still learning. What are you setting at 13/16? We don’t have too many resources out here so Mahalo for sharing.
Distance of riser to arrow
Amen
The Elite Rezult with set technology is i better system the bowtech moves it side to side, strings have twists and cause torque which leans your cam, the Elite cambers on the limbs through the limb pockets countering the torque on the angle compensating for the twist, the bowtech just moves the cam side to side with no compensation or counteraction at all just side to side.
Went to the website and did not see the laser?!?
Another hack if you don't have access to a laser is to use an bare shaft of an uncut arrow and lay it on your cam.
Great video! Thank you!
Is that a home made press? Ive been trying to find one like it
Draw board i mean
Could you do the same thing with a Mathews top hat system using the Spot Hogg laser alignment tool, TRX40 for example? I understand this is more of a coarse adjustment methodology but could the same concept be applied for leveling cams prior to setting to 13/16?.
Its on the list. Will prolly be on a v3 31 though
Mfjj for the win
Another great video! I purchased a Solution a few months back, my draw length is somewhere between 27 and 27.5, any tips on getting it fine tuned to that number? Right now the mod is set to 27. Thanks!!!
You can twist up the cables about 4 turns to increase drawlength by 1/8", but draw weight would go up also. Then back out the limbs a turn or two to add another ~1/8" of drawlength. This will also bring the draw weight back down.
how is this tuning system vs Elites tuning system?
Seems to me that you pointed the side of one cam at the center of the other. That puts them on two different planes, intersecting each other. Not on same plane pointing at each other.
APA bows and Bowtech easiest to tune
Do you guys sell the spothogg laser tool?
Its on our website
Nice! :)
I understand the process that you are showing us but the way that the bow is moving around I don't see that it's very accurate there must be a better solution
Your pressing the laser tool against the cam. When tye bow moves the laser moves with it. Its super accurate.
@@joshjones6862 where did you get that draw board, i like that. I started using my impact wrench on my press after watching one of your videos
Why don’t quality manufacturers align these at the factory?
They do, but temperatures, shooting your bow, breaking in etc. can change the dynamic and static length of the string/cables over time. This is why your cam timing, draw length, cam lean, etc. should be checked more frequently during the first few hundred shots until you are quite sure everything is shot in and holding up well. Every bow on the market will need at least some tuning after the initial break in period and again after some time. Cam lean shouldn’t be your main focus however IMHO, as some new bows will set up and tune with some amount of cam lean especially at brace. IMO actual arrow flight and cam timing are far more crucial to a consistent tune in modern compounds. I could be wrong though as I’m not an expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
wizard..
But the whole point of the technology is to not have to put it in a bow press or draw board.
360p? really?
love the channel, will come for a visit when the border finally opens up.
You’re making it really hard to not pull the trigger on a Solution
I feel Josh has less power unless his Mohawk is erect. Just me?
You lost me at “bowtech”