Definitely the cockpit that I'm going to eventually upgrade to. Great video as always Ermin. Your enthusiasm is contagious. I'm using an FGT Lite for now and will most likely upgrade the wheel and pedals to the CSL DD with the boost and some proper pedals (using a Thrustmaster entry level wheel and 3 pedal TM set for now, but still enjoying the experience.) I'd love to see this cockpit with a Dbox or NLR seat mover with traction loss (like Will Ford was using)in my music/game room. I think that will definitely be in my future as a upgrade. God bless and race on!
Ive used the original F-GT for 3 yrs, ive put a couple of struts in to support the wheel deck and i use 8nm csl dd bundle and its the best rig ever, solid as a rock and i couldn't recommend it enough, its the best bang for buck rig on the market. Im saving my pennies for this new elite rig....✌🏻💙
Its nice to see your video again. I would like to see F1 seating position. Since started Sim racing a year ago, i bought Next Level Racing stand and would love to upgrade to that new rig. Thanks
If it helps even in my 1/2 million plus dollar cars one the AMG GTR is made for track use- there is some flex in the steering wheel if I decided to snatch on it. I apologize for sounding douchie with that but I wanted folks who work hard for their money to feel like this flex isn't them getting ripped off the cars I had when I was a poor Marine also flexed maybe I should have led with that.
I like your enthusiasm, Ermin :-) This is by far the best review of the new Elite model I've witnessed so far. Originally being extremely satisfied with my F-GT Lite (of which I've enjoyed for 9 months by now, still best fully flexible seat on the market, IMO), this review changed my mind. Only show stopper is the price. €1100+delivery for the Elite-model is quite an investment compated to my
But pretty much any extrusion profile rig can get you rigidity like this, what you're paying here is the ability to go from formula position to GT, if you don't need that then you can go for other options that cost 1/3rd of this
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt You're probably right, and I think the multi position feature is a sales parameter from Next level for people (like me) racing all kinds of vehicles. If one deals exclusively with the materials, it should certainly be possible to make it cheaper and Next Level is in a bad position if their competitors find a similar stable solution at e.g. 75% the price. BTW my flexible F-GT Lite seat still has several more DOF's speaking possible seat positions, though by far not as stable as the Elite model, which is teasing me. Edit: Maybe I should just wait a year or so to to wait and see if there is a competitive market on this solution - OR if it's just a niche market where DIY's already coming up with much cheaper and yet as stable solutions, but haven't seen this so far.
I am about to order one but not sure which GTElite I should get. I am PS5 and ordered a Logitech G Pro DD … which one would work best? The one with the regular wheel mount or the one in this video with the side mounts? Thoughts? TIA
The FFB in AMS2 has almost always been wonderful (IMO - sans a few strange updates here and there). The physics/realism etc. is a different discussion, of course.
Hi Ermin, as you come from the pro audio world it would be great to make some content about audiophile options for simracing w/wo mic and dac. (I'm using an AKG K702 with a modmic and G5 Dac). Thanks
What's your height? Just want to see how far (or how close) I can put pedals for shorter guys (5' 5" to 5' 8"), as the pedal bars appear to be limited by the slant upright bars.
With your wheel height matching the games wheel height in cockpit view, do the aluminum uprights get in your veiw? Even if just peripherally? Do they block your screen at all? Thanks.
Hello, Superb video as usual. I love your in-depth analyzes of the world of simracing. I would like to know what is the height of the seat from the ground on this cockpit?? Please give me the measurement from the floor to the cockpit seat. Thanks in advance.
I’m pretty sure the horizontal pedal mounts are meant to have an actual pedal plate mounted to them and then the pedals mounted to the pedal plate. Don’t understand where you’re resting your heels with them mounting this way.
I didnt ever sit in a NLR F-GT Elite but what i see i would prefer the SimLab P1-X. The NLR pedal plate construction looks really strange and flimsy (compared to the SimLab). But this is all personal preferences. the only thing that matters is the diversity in the market. Luv ur videos. If u are stay in Germany than come across and check out the SFX100 ;-) U will never ever race without motion..
I love my F-GT Elite!!! I got the full setup with the monitor stand as well. I am still waiting on my CSL DD to arrive so in the meantime I got the wheel plate edition and bought the front and side mount as an addon that I will swap to when the DD arrives. I find that with my Thrustmaster T150 that I have hard mounted to the wheelplate because the wheel has soo much rattle all the rattling forces go through the rig and give me haptic feedback so I really hope the CSL DD does too. The complaints you had in the video are pretty much the same that I had. Took me about 12 hours (Including triple monitor stand, also I had never built a rig before) to put together and get the fit right for me ergonomically but I loved the process. One complaint I will add for the monitor stand is that the TNuts that they provide are a very snug fit and I found that I couldn't move some of them along the arms without inserting a long allen key in the slot and bashing them with a hammer, they were fine on the main rig so not sure why the monitor stand was different but its a minor complaint. I am in New Zealand which means everything is expensive but this rig will last me eons :) Great on point review!
@@notenoughgain I typically leave the seat in a hybrid position somewhere between F1 and GT as that is easier to get in and out of. No wheel flex with the CSL DD, well there is a tiny bit but that is more due to the Mclaren GT3 V2 wheel itself having some play in it. Pedals are rock solid!! I have the rig on a concrete floor so I do feel all the bumps and vibrations right through the rig but I think this would be less on carpet. That's not a complaint though as it makes everything feel more realistic.
@@whiplash231 Do you feel you really needed the addon side mount for the CSL DD? I also have the CSL DD and I'm thinking of going for the wheel plate edition (there's a big promotion in that model in a store near me: right now it's at 849€ for the wheelplate edition. The front and side mount edition it at 999. Big difference!)
@@JoaoSousa-cb1sl It's all about the adjustability as it is much easier to dial in with the front and side mount. It also just looks cooler with the red and black. Is it worth the extra coin I guess depends on budget
Would love to hear if it's comfortable over long sessions, I have the F-GT and I can't stay there more than 3 hours, it hurts my back, even with the added cushion, it's too sturdy for the butt.
Hi Kusqen, Thanks for your feedback. The shifter support horizontal and vertical aluminium profiles haven''t been installed. When they are it locks everything in and you can watch other reviews that mention it's more rigid than TR160 and on par with P1x as comparisons
I’m very worried about that pedal plate flex as I am one of the few that have no problem with even the strongest braking forces…..just bought one so we’ll see when it gets here. But I’m not feeling very good about my purchase right now ngl….
Yeah... their manuals suck in my experience. Doesnt mention when you need to use bolts etc. Also the video link at the end goes to a generic page, sometimes with no instructions for the specific thing you bought.
Hi DJ, This is our new flagship product and we spent years in R&D on aluminium profile cockpits before releasing this cockpit. The shifter support horizontal and vertical aluminium profiles haven't been installed as mentioned in the review. When they are it locks everything in and you can watch other reviews that mention it's more rigid than TR160 and on par with P1x as comparisons
The amount of flex would bother me a lot. I have a p1X and the pedal plate has absolutely zero flex. Adjustable seems easier and more accurate due to marking on the next level though.
Why make a review on a car that one doesn't have any experience with? By adding this varible, it detracts from the review. Next Level makes great products; however, any flex is a non-purchase. Hopefully, Next Level will take note a change this design. It's one of the best looking sim rigs.
It's beyond me how they can justify overpricing an extrusion rig like this. Madness. Better or similar options for less are out there. The PSR1, Simlabs etc... £899 in the UK
DO NOT GET!!! I've had huge problems with this rig in terms of mounting Fanatec products (CSL DD, Shifter/handbrake and V3 pedals) I can't reach the pedals even though I'm long legged, had to mount the shifter/handbrake a long way due to the plate and had to half mount my CSL DD. Also it didn't have enough Allen screws and nuts to mount everything so had to go to Bunnings to get more. I'm very disappointed due to looking forward to upgrading my experience but all I've got is a whole heap of cuts/scratches/bruises, leg cramps, a reinjured knee and back spasms.
@@timothyahn3002 if you want. Honestly it's one of the worst engineering and poorly implemented designs I've ever come across. Everytime I use it, I can use it only for no more than a few seconds before my left leg goes numb and I get incredible pain in my left hip and back. Tried to modify it to makes things more ergonomically better only to slice open my right hand on the cheaply made aluminium strut that holds the wheel base in place, stripped several allen screws and gouged the soft and cheap metal even though I was being super careful. Top Gear top tip: AVOID
I'm really disappointed with this review. If you don't have the ability to fully review the product, why even bother? I was looking for more information on the adjustability of the shifter mounting. And I wanted to see more about the formula position, as well.. It is a hybrid cockpit. If I wanted a GT cockpit, I'd be looking at GT Elite reviews or the PlaySeat Sensation, or something like it. You show footage of mounting the Fanatec Podium DD2, but then test it with the CSL DD. I want to see the rig tested to its limits. The flex in the pedals is also mostly due to not using a pedal plate. With the pedal plate it would have more distance between the mounting points to the rig and an extra plane of rigidity and the flex would be a lot less, too. All in all a waste of time for everyone, unfortunately. I hope you'll do better.
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His arms were probably flexing more than the cockpit during the flex test XD
Definitely the cockpit that I'm going to eventually upgrade to. Great video as always Ermin. Your enthusiasm is contagious. I'm using an FGT Lite for now and will most likely upgrade the wheel and pedals to the CSL DD with the boost and some proper pedals (using a Thrustmaster entry level wheel and 3 pedal TM set for now, but still enjoying the experience.) I'd love to see this cockpit with a Dbox or NLR seat mover with traction loss (like Will Ford was using)in my music/game room. I think that will definitely be in my future as a upgrade. God bless and race on!
Glad to hear it! You'll absolutely love the upgrade from the FGT Lite to this. Worlds apart. Peace!
Ive used the original F-GT for 3 yrs, ive put a couple of struts in to support the wheel deck and i use 8nm csl dd bundle and its the best rig ever, solid as a rock and i couldn't recommend it enough, its the best bang for buck rig on the market.
Im saving my pennies for this new elite rig....✌🏻💙
Thank you. Your smile while driving sold me on this rig two years later.
Great review Ermin. It's going to be tough to take that apart and ship it back. Might as well just go ahead make make the purchase. Enjoy it!
All about that base, base, base, base.
Wait I'm early!
Your content has been consistently good over the past 2 months I’ve watched. Great Job, I subscribed.
Thank you! ❤️
Its nice to see your video again. I would like to see F1 seating position. Since started Sim racing a year ago, i bought Next Level Racing stand and would love to upgrade to that new rig. Thanks
8020, extra support for pedal plate can be added to suit your taste. I drive old british race cars IRL, and EVERYTHING flexes IRL.
Very Professional! Deserve my SUB. Waiting for other frames like Sim Lab
Bonus points for using Romboidal! Nicely done video!. I am putting mine together but by myself and had to take a break for a bit
Hi, why didn’t you use the Heusinkveld pedal plate? I guess that is what its supposed to be mounted over there, isn’t it?
Glad to see Ermin again after retiring from his channel.
Great review hope my will arrive soon. Which gloves do you use?
Damn that’s more flex than I get with my gt omega titan on the pedal plate… disappointing for a cockpit that costs more than twice as much
Ermin should be a SIM racing TV host. So good :)
Wie einfach es doch ist den flex zu demonstrieren… Dankesehr!
If it helps even in my 1/2 million plus dollar cars one the AMG GTR is made for track use- there is some flex in the steering wheel if I decided to snatch on it. I apologize for sounding douchie with that but I wanted folks who work hard for their money to feel like this flex isn't them getting ripped off the cars I had when I was a poor Marine also flexed maybe I should have led with that.
Just picked mine up, half killed myself carrying it from the car to the house 57.3 kgs!!!
I like your enthusiasm, Ermin :-) This is by far the best review of the new Elite model I've witnessed so far. Originally being extremely satisfied with my F-GT Lite (of which I've enjoyed for 9 months by now, still best fully flexible seat on the market, IMO), this review changed my mind. Only show stopper is the price. €1100+delivery for the Elite-model is quite an investment compated to my
But pretty much any extrusion profile rig can get you rigidity like this, what you're paying here is the ability to go from formula position to GT, if you don't need that then you can go for other options that cost 1/3rd of this
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt You're probably right, and I think the multi position feature is a sales parameter from Next level for people (like me) racing all kinds of vehicles.
If one deals exclusively with the materials, it should certainly be possible to make it cheaper and Next Level is in a bad position if their competitors find a similar stable solution at e.g. 75% the price.
BTW my flexible F-GT Lite seat still has several more DOF's speaking possible seat positions, though by far not as stable as the Elite model, which is teasing me.
Edit: Maybe I should just wait a year or so to to wait and see if there is a competitive market on this solution - OR if it's just a niche market where DIY's already coming up with much cheaper and yet as stable solutions, but haven't seen this so far.
Just wow!
I am about to order one but not sure which GTElite I should get. I am PS5 and ordered a Logitech G Pro DD … which one would work best? The one with the regular wheel mount or the one in this video with the side mounts? Thoughts? TIA
This looks like my first choice now. Just waiting for availability in norway.
FGT Elite looks awesome. Might give it some consideration. AMS2 feels transcendent? Hum... is there another secret version of AMS2 I'm not aware of?
The FFB in AMS2 has almost always been wonderful (IMO - sans a few strange updates here and there). The physics/realism etc. is a different discussion, of course.
@@Ermz I'll buy that.
Hi Ermin, as you come from the pro audio world it would be great to make some content about audiophile options for simracing w/wo mic and dac. (I'm using an AKG K702 with a modmic and G5 Dac). Thanks
What is the benefits of side mounting. Is it mostly asthestics or is it more stable. Could you notice any difference?
What's your height? Just want to see how far (or how close) I can put pedals for shorter guys (5' 5" to 5' 8"), as the pedal bars appear to be limited by the slant upright bars.
"I am not going to be biased"
After 6 seconds of first race:
"Omg this is the best rig evah!!!"
You do not need a heel plate for your pedals? How do you rest your heels for long race?
I am totally sold ...
I had to install the pedal supports on the inside for my configuration to work, so both options are valid.
“My tyres are cold Bono” - Ermin Hamilton.
With your wheel height matching the games wheel height in cockpit view, do the aluminum uprights get in your veiw? Even if just peripherally? Do they block your screen at all? Thanks.
Hello,
Superb video as usual.
I love your in-depth analyzes of the world of simracing.
I would like to know what is the height of the seat from the ground on this cockpit??
Please give me the measurement from the floor to the cockpit seat.
Thanks in advance.
F1 position would be good to see as I play f1 and GT .
You're telling me that there's not a single Shifter or handbrake in the entire overtake gg studio? Wow and they're supposedly a sim racing channel?
He’s not at the sudio, he is still in is place in Autralia. He will move soon to Germany to be in the office of Overtake.
@@alexfobo2402 Thank you.
does this come with the seat? or is that purchased seperatlety
Just to clarify, you can set up the shifter the good ok’ American way right? (Also comments, what seat would y’all recommend for this thing?)
I would also like to ask about the ES1 Elite armchair. If I am 180 cm tall and weigh 73 kg, am I slim, will it not be too big or wide for me?
Would my 7yr old boy be able to use this cockpit? Hes 130cm tall
Good review Ermin!
He is driving without a helmet!!!!! This man is a maniac!!!
would have been good to see the Formula position too but over decent review
I don't get the angled profile. If you make an adjustment in height, you also have to adjust the length.
I’m pretty sure the horizontal pedal mounts are meant to have an actual pedal plate mounted to them and then the pedals mounted to the pedal plate. Don’t understand where you’re resting your heels with them mounting this way.
Can you use a non direct drive wheel with this rig like a Fanatec CSW V2.5 or something like that?
FGT Elite 160 vs Trakracer 160 vs Simlab P1X?
Why is it pricy btw? Because it comes from Australia? Here in NZ its the cheapest option.
I didnt ever sit in a NLR F-GT Elite but what i see i would prefer the SimLab P1-X. The NLR pedal plate construction looks really strange and flimsy (compared to the SimLab). But this is all personal preferences. the only thing that matters is the diversity in the market. Luv ur videos. If u are stay in Germany than come across and check out the SFX100 ;-) U will never ever race without motion..
Also why did you go from the DD-2 to the CSL DD?????
Event opals in the background?
With those bi- and triceps there will be flex 💪🏼
I love my F-GT Elite!!! I got the full setup with the monitor stand as well. I am still waiting on my CSL DD to arrive so in the meantime I got the wheel plate edition and bought the front and side mount as an addon that I will swap to when the DD arrives. I find that with my Thrustmaster T150 that I have hard mounted to the wheelplate because the wheel has soo much rattle all the rattling forces go through the rig and give me haptic feedback so I really hope the CSL DD does too. The complaints you had in the video are pretty much the same that I had. Took me about 12 hours (Including triple monitor stand, also I had never built a rig before) to put together and get the fit right for me ergonomically but I loved the process. One complaint I will add for the monitor stand is that the TNuts that they provide are a very snug fit and I found that I couldn't move some of them along the arms without inserting a long allen key in the slot and bashing them with a hammer, they were fine on the main rig so not sure why the monitor stand was different but its a minor complaint. I am in New Zealand which means everything is expensive but this rig will last me eons :) Great on point review!
What;s your view on it now 4 months later, seat comfortable for F1 position? How is the Wheel flex and pedal flex with CSL DD?
@@notenoughgain I typically leave the seat in a hybrid position somewhere between F1 and GT as that is easier to get in and out of. No wheel flex with the CSL DD, well there is a tiny bit but that is more due to the Mclaren GT3 V2 wheel itself having some play in it. Pedals are rock solid!! I have the rig on a concrete floor so I do feel all the bumps and vibrations right through the rig but I think this would be less on carpet. That's not a complaint though as it makes everything feel more realistic.
@@whiplash231 Do you feel you really needed the addon side mount for the CSL DD? I also have the CSL DD and I'm thinking of going for the wheel plate edition (there's a big promotion in that model in a store near me: right now it's at 849€ for the wheelplate edition. The front and side mount edition it at 999. Big difference!)
@@JoaoSousa-cb1sl It's all about the adjustability as it is much easier to dial in with the front and side mount. It also just looks cooler with the red and black. Is it worth the extra coin I guess depends on budget
@@whiplash231 Ah, I see! But would you say that I would be fine flex-wise with the wheel plate edition for my CSL DD?
How does it work ith thee dd2 or simcube
The seat was flexing a lot when you where on the brake. That's not great on top the pedal plate flexing
Can you do a video on the best budget cockpits?
Would love to hear if it's comfortable over long sessions, I have the F-GT and I can't stay there more than 3 hours, it hurts my back, even with the added cushion, it's too sturdy for the butt.
The seat is sold seperately u can put any seat u want, and its more comfortable then the fgt seat based on reviews
Is it only me but why is your left leg positioned like that when it's off brake up in the air?
Had the same question. But hey... to each his own I guess
Was thinking the same thing. So much knee flexion in that position
How come he's no longer using his DD1?
nice review, But this amount of flex for this price is not okay
Hi Kusqen, Thanks for your feedback. The shifter support horizontal and vertical aluminium profiles haven''t been installed. When they are it locks everything in and you can watch other reviews that mention it's more rigid than TR160 and on par with P1x as comparisons
@@NextLevelRacing for me it looked like the pedal plate had flex
I’m very worried about that pedal plate flex as I am one of the few that have no problem with even the strongest braking forces…..just bought one so we’ll see when it gets here. But I’m not feeling very good about my purchase right now ngl….
Any update on wheel and pedal flex?
Hey, gt elite or 120tr?
Yeah... their manuals suck in my experience. Doesnt mention when you need to use bolts etc. Also the video link at the end goes to a generic page, sometimes with no instructions for the specific thing you bought.
Ain't a nlr product without flex
Hi DJ, This is our new flagship product and we spent years in R&D on aluminium profile cockpits before releasing this cockpit. The shifter support horizontal and vertical aluminium profiles haven't been installed as mentioned in the review. When they are it locks everything in and you can watch other reviews that mention it's more rigid than TR160 and on par with P1x as comparisons
The amount of flex would bother me a lot. I have a p1X and the pedal plate has absolutely zero flex. Adjustable seems easier and more accurate due to marking on the next level though.
Will from boosted media has a p1x and said he cant tell the difference between the 2.
It does sound like it is complicated to put together.
Why make a review on a car that one doesn't have any experience with? By adding this varible, it detracts from the review.
Next Level makes great products; however, any flex is a non-purchase. Hopefully, Next Level will take note a change this design. It's one of the best looking sim rigs.
It's beyond me how they can justify overpricing an extrusion rig like this. Madness. Better or similar options for less are out there. The PSR1, Simlabs etc...
£899 in the UK
I agree that it's expensive but what you're paying for here is the ability to have both formula and gt positions
Is good price gt elite for 660€?
This or SIMLAB GT1 EVO ?
Simlab is king always will be its where it all started. Think of them as the Cadillac of sim rigs cause they truely are
Hello Legends
DO NOT GET!!! I've had huge problems with this rig in terms of mounting Fanatec products (CSL DD, Shifter/handbrake and V3 pedals) I can't reach the pedals even though I'm long legged, had to mount the shifter/handbrake a long way due to the plate and had to half mount my CSL DD. Also it didn't have enough Allen screws and nuts to mount everything so had to go to Bunnings to get more.
I'm very disappointed due to looking forward to upgrading my experience but all I've got is a whole heap of cuts/scratches/bruises, leg cramps, a reinjured knee and back spasms.
Damn really? Should I return mine?
@@timothyahn3002 if you want. Honestly it's one of the worst engineering and poorly implemented designs I've ever come across. Everytime I use it, I can use it only for no more than a few seconds before my left leg goes numb and I get incredible pain in my left hip and back. Tried to modify it to makes things more ergonomically better only to slice open my right hand on the cheaply made aluminium strut that holds the wheel base in place, stripped several allen screws and gouged the soft and cheap metal even though I was being super careful.
Top Gear top tip: AVOID
OCD make me wanna clean the back of that chair...
4:50 Butt there are no butts there. 🤔
I'm really disappointed with this review. If you don't have the ability to fully review the product, why even bother? I was looking for more information on the adjustability of the shifter mounting. And I wanted to see more about the formula position, as well.. It is a hybrid cockpit. If I wanted a GT cockpit, I'd be looking at GT Elite reviews or the PlaySeat Sensation, or something like it. You show footage of mounting the Fanatec Podium DD2, but then test it with the CSL DD. I want to see the rig tested to its limits. The flex in the pedals is also mostly due to not using a pedal plate. With the pedal plate it would have more distance between the mounting points to the rig and an extra plane of rigidity and the flex would be a lot less, too. All in all a waste of time for everyone, unfortunately. I hope you'll do better.
Sorry, but all of us can't really afford to have top end gear as much as we love to.
I liked this guy until he said he drives a BMW :P