Troll and night elf are the same race. Just transformed with magic. Naga and night elf are the same race. Just transformed with magic. Did Vol'jin swear to protect the tree ? Did Azshara swear to protect the tree or I dunno ??? It doesn't mean anything dude.
idk if the english version of the dreadlords call him this, I cant find the exact clip but. In Spanish the Dreadlords call Kelthuzad "Arthas´s Buttler" So he is pretty much Alfred lol.
he's Arthas, the paladin who is undefeated, and now carries the power of the Lich King with FrostMourne, and now we have him in our grasp, sooooooooooooooooo **sends out 6 ghouls to kill him** OKay whatever !
Arthas asks Kel'Thuzad to watch over Lordaeron. And what a wonderful job he did - in a laughably short amount of time, there's a civil war between Sylvanas's forces, the Dreadlords' army and Garithos's human forces while the Lich himself never reappears and is forced to hide in Naxxramas lol
It's a shame after Sylvanas turn into undead night elf, she never speak any words in Elven language anymore. I really miss her insult and trash talk in elven words against Arthas when she was alive as an elf IMHO.
Old RTS blizzard is long gone. Most pre-warcraft_3 people have left, and even those from the warcraft 3 era are likely gone. It's not about love of games anymore, it is what will make $$$$$$. RTS just aren't a cash cow. Even SC2, I think was only begrudgingly made.
to be fair, Warcraft 2 was suppose to be the last of Warcraft RTS games, you can see on WC3 that they're already transitioning to RPG (Heroes) and decided to go full MMORPG on WoW.
WC3 and Frozen throne are still better then anything that came after that. What? You think new generation will like the MMO with extremely outdated graphics and an excuse for a story? Ha! dream on. Bunch of characters that get used for maney only. He dies, but we will bring him to life for extra $$$. Like some nobodies would be able to beat Litch King Arthas lol. New human leader is a freaking ape head. Humans and orcs make peace, he arrives, no peace again. They kill ilidan in such disgraceful way and I get to be one of bazilion heroes! What an important role, my ass! At same time world is getting saved every time boss respawns, what a joke!
The thing is why Sylvanas hates night elves is that high elves helped alliance in their dire need, alliance DID NOT in high elves dire need. 'nuff said.
Eh, the Alliance has no more obligation to help the High Elves because they already seceded after the Second War and literally just brushed off and swept away their efforts against the Old Horde. Only a small group was sent to aid the Alliance such as Alleria and her token force. Guess what? The still loyal High Elves were also the ones who helped the Alliance in the Second War and the Blood Elves were mostly the ones who just shyed away in Quel'thalas during the Second War. Let's not forget that Anasterian ordered all the High Elves to come home after the Second War. The High Elves who helped Arthas in WC3 were simply volunteers and/or were from the Kirin Tor. And Anasterian refused to help Lordaeron when Arthas was scourging it because he decided not to do the "same mistake" in the Second War and he was too overconfident that they can hold off the Scourge. I'm not even sure if the Alliance knew that Quel'thalas was being sieged. Dalaran would've sent their mages to aid them by then. And let's say the did know and were going to send help... do you know how long will it take for Kul Tiras and Stormwind to even reach Silvermoon? So yeah, the Alliance of Lordaeron had no more obligation to help the High Elves, they brought it among themselves
You're right about one thing though: the Kirin Tor and the High Elves simply stood by and watched when Kael and his Blood Elves were about to be executed by Garithos
@ Raptor Shark The High Elves and Kirin Tor had long been broken by the time Garithos-then-Grand Marshal of the Alliance-ordered the execution of the Blood Elves. I doubt the High Elves or Kirin Tor knew what Garithos was doing.
11 month late but i dont consider WOW canon. WC3 and Frozen Throne retconned Sylvanas being alive and a ranger undead already. Same as demon form Illidan.
What you consider canon is irrelevant. It's the writers that decide what's canon or what is not. Also you are saying that Sylvanas is both alive and an undead...
You knew at this world everybody murder each other... And it was mostly her fault what Arthas destroyed sunwell... so... Shit happens. For example I wished to kill her as a Arthas, because I played all the campaign as Arthas XD
@@iljagaimovic9166 I know but it's not game of thrones kill everybody. How is Slyvannas's fault Arthas destroyed the sun well she was trying to protect it. Arthas betrayed everyone and everything he had ever cared to serve the leader of the dammed. He deserved a worse death than what he finally got. How many people has he killed in his crusade?
@@MrRepoman197 Before that, human kingdoms was fighting with each other and destroyed other nations. The same Sun Elf's later was betrayed by humans. Before that Sun elf's made Troll genocide. Night elf's before fucked up world, with Legion deal (Azhara - she wanted to put night elf race on top) and later did't give a fuck about anything. After came orcs, all started to fight orcs (Before that they destroyed Draenei). With orcs came Legion everybody started to fight Legion. And then came scourge with Arthas and fucked everybody up. I am not protecting Arthas or anything. Just saying when you play campaign everything was quite logical at the time you did this. In the world where all fight for they believes and kill for them, creature life's is not so important. "How many people has he killed in his crusade?" - and how many creatures from other minor races killed by other factions. How many you kill in WoW for so called greater good? All is irrelevant XD If we will kill all who deserve it, in this world will no people at all (There is no standard what is good, or bad - everybody sees it differently). What did Arthas was right for his point of view (He did stop Legion) at the same time Sylvanas was right to for desire to kill him. For me, I am always on the side of murlocks XD
@@iljagaimovic9166 bla bla bla. Blabber all you want idiot? Who's dead now?? Sylvyyy or your so called great king Arthas??? Lol. It's a fucking good thing Arthas died. The only even better thing is for him to actually suffer before he died. But i guess his soul must be damned and eternally tormented now. While queen Sylvanas grew fucking strong. She would have kicked your idiotic king Arthas now with no sweat. Lol
Ah the equality of death. Once they were enemies, now Arthas and Kel are friends. Every Hamlet needs his Horatio. Even those Hamlets who had killed their own fathers I supposed.
I know right?! I reckon Blizzard cheaped out and wouldn't pay high enough for the other one. That's apparently why the VA for Arthas was different too. I can't say I'd be surprised, they do seem to cut corners when they can if it means more profit, sadly. Her new voice has grown on me a little bit, but this 1 is definitely my favourite. The current one isn't echoey enough in my opinion.
I didn’t play Warcraft 3 so perhaps my opinion won’t matter as much but I have to say I like the new voice better. The new voice sounds both banshee like and at the same time conveys a sense of civility and prominence, like a stuck up noblewoman that looks down upon everyone which I like. Plus the one thing I find with wow is that many characters just have really bad dialogue, but not so with Sylvanas. Her dialogue is always so much more eloquent than somebody like voljin or even anduin or Greymane. Certainly nothing wrong with the old voice though, and obviously if you played Warcraft 3 back in the day I can see why you would prefer the old one
Keep in mind Kel'Thuzad was working for the Lich King when he was alive, as the leader of the Cult of the Damned. Weakened control or not, he was already loyal.
Kel was always loyal to the evil, undead side of the Lich King and he seemed to like Arthas. Im sure Arthas retained his own mind to maybe half of what the Lich King had. So he is both at the same time.
Although he became a psycho when he got his hands on Frostmourne, Arthas kinda treats his undead subjects with honor and respect. Makes me think that being a good leader is part of his actual personality and he's only an asshole with the living because the Lich King told him so.
After the Shadowlands, we now know that Nathrezim are a race of Vampire like creatures, that are on the Shadowlands(The Deathlands, basically afterlife). Now, some of them are like us, have free will to be good and evil, but some are following the Legions.
@Goliath Online she didn't. She was forced into his service under mind control from the lich king. That's not oath. That's slavery. Blizzard needs to stop the victim blaming just to make Arthas look better then he actually is
+TheCrimsonFuckr Garrosh accomplished way more than his father did. Different but both deserve credit. Mighty warriors. Honorable and glorious in their own right. Garrosh was very well written until blizz did a 180 for inexplicable reasons.
I fucking love this scene in which sylvanas betrays arthas. Its so incredably funny 6:47 first because sylvanas mentions "hell" which is a term Uther has used before but its always sounds funny cuz this world has its own mitology. And second but most important, Sylvanas calls arthas a son of a bitch LMAO. The wording in WC3 is actually very polite and witty, so it feels extremely funny to see this former educated elf use such hood term lol
Redcrosse Knight she is in the different position. In wow she is the leader of the forsaken and warchief. she will do anything to secure her people existence that makes her different
6:56 Kel’Thuzad and Sylvanas each had four minions, is it fair to say Kel’Thuzad beat Sylvanas fair and square, or Kel’Thuzad was a better army commander than Sylvanas?
When I played this game for the first time at 11 or 12 I had the same q..,why not just join up with Kael Thas or even the remaining high elves? But I think it’s just…there wasn’t much Sylvanas had left. I think being undead was repulsive to the Alliance, regardless of morality. That would certainly piss me off. The new content is pretty annoying imo, I prefer sylvanas unredeemed/un disneyfied. I like her best as an antihero…seems more realistic, given the in game prejudices the forsaken/undead have against them.
@@Ackbarfangirl Sylvanas and Kael'thas both being part of the Horde in WoW would make for some interesting interactions. @Arnold: Sylvanas evil? Her hatred of Arthas was what kept her sane while mind controlled by the LichKing. That alone perfectly explains all her actions in WC3. In WoW when the Forsaken join the horde, that's really no different from the Blood elves. The Alliance's strict xenophobia against anyone not following the light or practicing the "unnatural" while the more diverse chaotic Horde embraces different ideologies. The geopolitics make sense. The Horde isn't "evil", just different.
I hate sylvanas quite passionately these days....but a slave does not betray its master. No slave swears loyalty to their master, they are forced into servitude. Proper title for this would have been: Sylvanas leads slave revolt against Arthas, finds outside help to do it.
As long as WoW exists in the same world, a Warcraft sequel draws away resources. For one thing, how do you advance the story in a Warcraft 4, but have WoW keep up? Another Cataclysm event? More likely, if they make a Warcraft 4, it'll be a prequel or a rehash of Warcraft 1 and/or 2.
Does anyone else find it weird that Kel'thuzad doesn't just wait for Arthas finish up ghouls ? It took Arthas only a few seconds to take em down and had no problem destroying the gate. Maybe Kel'thuzad could've waited a little longer to rejoin with Arthas and escape together.
Why would they be, they were murdered by the scourge and forced into eternal servitude. What possible reason could they have to be loyal to anything in the scourge?
It’s time to even the scales. If she said TIP the scales I’ll be like “She ain’t no tactician like Robin from Fire Emblem “ lol. She’s more brutal than him. If anything she’s more like Grima than Robin himself XD
Unknown to Arthas, Illidan (least I think) made a crack in the LK's ice tomb with the spell he was trying to cast but was interrupted during the Night Elf campgain, that crack was wide enough for the LK's power to start leaking out
Arthas as a paladin went to Northrend to destroy the Scourge, there he was tricked into picking Frostmourne, blade imbued with power of Scourge's master Lich King, the blade took his soul, made him loyal to the Lich King which eventually turned him into a death knight. Eventually Arthas returned to Lordaeron on Lich King orders. Destroyed it along with Quel'thalas and Dalaran. Eventually he was forced to return to Northrend to aid the weakened Lich King and merged with him.
Apparently they were, at least according to Shadowlands. And they also knew that Kel'Thuzad was serving the Jailer all along. God, I hate these retcons...
Can Kel'Thuzad come do this in WoW? Sylvanas has become quite possibly the most cringy and most unbearable character in the lore, would love if he (or anyone) killed her or chased her off.
It's a shame after Sylvanas turn into undead Dark elf, she never speak any words in Elven language anymore. I really miss her insult and trash talk in elven words when she was just an elf
I wish Slyvanas killed Arthas here. Maybe after she got her revenge she wouldnt have to turned into a maniac. But then again what Arthas did to her would make anyone crazy.
@@self-awareandbiasedslander7761 It has to be at least Sc2 quality given the time distance. I mean, they gave us sc1 remastered so there might be a wc3 remastered.
"Her heart is still elven" - wait until she burns Teldrassil.
Not night elf, high elf.
Shogo she planed not to at first time till she got triggered by that stupid nightelf
@@Roxar96 high elf and night elf same race.Just High elf transformed with magic
Troll and night elf are the same race. Just transformed with magic.
Naga and night elf are the same race. Just transformed with magic.
Did Vol'jin swear to protect the tree ?
Did Azshara swear to protect the tree or I dunno ???
It doesn't mean anything dude.
look in sylvanas lines i Hots
she hates the night elves like real hate
Kel'thuzad and Arthas for best bromance in gaming.
HELL NAW ANUB'ARAK WAS *T H I C C*
@@self-awareandbiasedslander7761 YAS HAHAHA
one of the best
Bro that's messed up
@@self-awareandbiasedslander7761 Anub'arak was not happy to team up with Arthas, he was a prisoner to stalemate and needed to obey Ner'zul's orders.
Kel'Thuzad is the best right hand man in the business.
you mean the best skeletal right hand undead man in the business
But overall cairne bloodhoof is
idk if the english version of the dreadlords call him this, I cant find the exact clip but.
In Spanish the Dreadlords call Kelthuzad "Arthas´s Buttler"
So he is pretty much Alfred lol.
I love how they were enemies at first... and now they're homies.
Nah, I'm rooting for Grom assisting Thrall. Cos I'm a Grom fanboy
he's Arthas, the paladin who is undefeated, and now carries the power of the Lich King with FrostMourne, and now we have him in our grasp, sooooooooooooooooo
**sends out 6 ghouls to kill him**
OKay whatever !
lol wtf
ikr if it was me i would have like 50 frost wryms blast him into the floor, not let him easily destroy six minimum wage undead warriors
Darion "minimum wage undead warriors" XDXD my fucking sides
minimum wage undead warriors haha, they sure foreign workers too
need some abominations and a necromancer to cripple him to lol
Kelthuzad was always such a bro to Arthas.
He was his smithers
It would have been poetic for Arthas to have died in that forest. Alone, without witness, killed by one of his own undead servants.
6:48 When blizzard still used curse words.
Well it's teen anyway so it's has like better constructive word than keep using the same words
Arthas asks Kel'Thuzad to watch over Lordaeron.
And what a wonderful job he did - in a laughably short amount of time, there's a civil war between Sylvanas's forces, the Dreadlords' army and Garithos's human forces while the Lich himself never reappears and is forced to hide in Naxxramas lol
Thats WOW bullshit. In my head canon Arthas comes back, pushes back on Sylvanas and beats her. Garithos died in Frozen Throne anyways.
Sarah if you root for Arthas you are really fucked in the head
099Nitro and sylvanas is exactly like arthas now and I pefer him over her
099Nitro why? He’s the only character with any amount of depth
Even if we ignore WoW lore here, the whole civil war thing and Kel'thuzad's absence still happens.
6:48 Damn. Sylvanas is savage af..
Overload FDZ especially when she burned down that stupid tree. That was sweet
I REALLY HEARD THAT SINCE I WAS 7 AND I WAS LAUGHED XD
It's a shame after Sylvanas turn into undead night elf, she never speak any words in Elven language anymore. I really miss her insult and trash talk in elven words against Arthas when she was alive as an elf IMHO.
Kel'Thuzad is a true bro.
And Anubarak's bro too. Without them Arthas could have died thousand times.
never trust a banshee
+xLetalis
especially a banshee elf that you forced into your service and turned it against its people and made it burn down its home
+xLetalis got that right.
and locked her body in a chest for added torment and found it again
Or an elf. In this case, neither.
Never trust an elf!
I wish those unique skeletal mages that Kel Thuzad brought were actually useable lol
Haha i think the same the first time I saw them
There using archimonde attacks
I miss this old strategy game so much... it's a shame that Blizzard did not make Warcraft 4
Old RTS blizzard is long gone.
Most pre-warcraft_3 people have left, and even those from the warcraft 3 era are likely gone.
It's not about love of games anymore, it is what will make $$$$$$.
RTS just aren't a cash cow. Even SC2, I think was only begrudgingly made.
Lord Frost I believe that they are going to remaster wc3. They just updated the old client
Seems right.
to be fair, Warcraft 2 was suppose to be the last of Warcraft RTS games, you can see on WC3 that they're already transitioning to RPG (Heroes) and decided to go full MMORPG on WoW.
WC3 and Frozen throne are still better then anything that came after that.
What? You think new generation will like the MMO with extremely outdated graphics
and an excuse for a story? Ha! dream on. Bunch of characters that get used for maney only.
He dies, but we will bring him to life for extra $$$. Like some nobodies would be able to beat
Litch King Arthas lol. New human leader is a freaking ape head. Humans and orcs make peace, he arrives,
no peace again. They kill ilidan in such disgraceful way and I get to be one of bazilion heroes! What an
important role, my ass! At same time world is getting saved every time boss respawns, what a joke!
The thing is why Sylvanas hates night elves is that high elves helped alliance in their dire need, alliance DID NOT in high elves dire need. 'nuff said.
Eh, the Alliance has no more obligation to help the High Elves because they already seceded after the Second War and literally just brushed off and swept away their efforts against the Old Horde.
Only a small group was sent to aid the Alliance such as Alleria and her token force. Guess what? The still loyal High Elves were also the ones who helped the Alliance in the Second War and the Blood Elves were mostly the ones who just shyed away in Quel'thalas during the Second War.
Let's not forget that Anasterian ordered all the High Elves to come home after the Second War. The High Elves who helped Arthas in WC3 were simply volunteers and/or were from the Kirin Tor.
And Anasterian refused to help Lordaeron when Arthas was scourging it because he decided not to do the "same mistake" in the Second War and he was too overconfident that they can hold off the Scourge.
I'm not even sure if the Alliance knew that Quel'thalas was being sieged. Dalaran would've sent their mages to aid them by then. And let's say the did know and were going to send help... do you know how long will it take for Kul Tiras and Stormwind to even reach Silvermoon?
So yeah, the Alliance of Lordaeron had no more obligation to help the High Elves, they brought it among themselves
You're right about one thing though: the Kirin Tor and the High Elves simply stood by and watched when Kael and his Blood Elves were about to be executed by Garithos
@ Raptor Shark The High Elves and Kirin Tor had long been broken by the time Garithos-then-Grand Marshal of the Alliance-ordered the execution of the Blood Elves. I doubt the High Elves or Kirin Tor knew what Garithos was doing.
@@CIAinTaiwanAndUkraineAnd that's why it is easy for the Forsakens to follow Lor'themar to follow the Horde.
Good to see some things about Sylvanas never change.
Such as treachery.
So Kel'Thuzad may be loyal to Arthas and the Lich King but does he still has some sense of self preservation?
kinda of, everything he does though is mostly for the Scourge
Francis-Olivier Toba he adored ner'zul even when he was alive
Immagonko i think they may have retconned that now though
11 month late but i dont consider WOW canon. WC3 and Frozen Throne retconned Sylvanas being alive and a ranger undead already. Same as demon form Illidan.
What you consider canon is irrelevant. It's the writers that decide what's canon or what is not.
Also you are saying that Sylvanas is both alive and an undead...
Sylvanas puts the "runner" in windrunner
you cant run the posion is paralyzing you " sits on a horse?"lul?
"Her heart is still elven"
If someone could tell Danuser this, that'd be great.
Maaaan shut yo ass up bruh go back to writing about fucking pokemon or something, yo hairy ass aint needed here
So basically it's all just Jailer's assets fighting each other...
Today is a good day to be a Warcraft 3 purist
ugh what has Bliz done, I haven't been paying attention to the current wow expansion
@@xLetalis indeed. I hate Shadowlands.
It's not cannon wow ended with legion
@@ayhamahmad2277 no shit sherlock
@@ayhamahmad2277 "wotlk
I kind of wish that Sylvanas got her revenge her. Arthas murdered her and forced to fight and kill the very people she sought to protect.
You knew at this world everybody murder each other... And it was mostly her fault what Arthas destroyed sunwell... so... Shit happens. For example I wished to kill her as a Arthas, because I played all the campaign as Arthas XD
@@iljagaimovic9166 I know but it's not game of thrones kill everybody. How is Slyvannas's fault Arthas destroyed the sun well she was trying to protect it. Arthas betrayed everyone and everything he had ever cared to serve the leader of the dammed. He deserved a worse death than what he finally got. How many people has he killed in his crusade?
@@MrRepoman197 Before that, human kingdoms was fighting with each other and destroyed other nations. The same Sun Elf's later was betrayed by humans. Before that Sun elf's made Troll genocide.
Night elf's before fucked up world, with Legion deal (Azhara - she wanted to put night elf race on top) and later did't give a fuck about anything. After came orcs, all started to fight orcs (Before that they destroyed Draenei). With orcs came Legion everybody started to fight Legion.
And then came scourge with Arthas and fucked everybody up.
I am not protecting Arthas or anything. Just saying when you play campaign everything was quite logical at the time you did this.
In the world where all fight for they believes and kill for them, creature life's is not so important.
"How many people has he killed in his crusade?" - and how many creatures from other minor races killed by other factions.
How many you kill in WoW for so called greater good?
All is irrelevant XD If we will kill all who deserve it, in this world will no people at all (There is no standard what is good, or bad - everybody sees it differently).
What did Arthas was right for his point of view (He did stop Legion) at the same time Sylvanas was right to for desire to kill him.
For me, I am always on the side of murlocks XD
@@iljagaimovic9166 bla bla bla. Blabber all you want idiot? Who's dead now?? Sylvyyy or your so called great king Arthas??? Lol. It's a fucking good thing Arthas died. The only even better thing is for him to actually suffer before he died. But i guess his soul must be damned and eternally tormented now. While queen Sylvanas grew fucking strong. She would have kicked your idiotic king Arthas now with no sweat. Lol
@@AoDk673 arthas dead because of $$
dude Kel is really loyal to arthas/lich king, almost ``in love`` with him.
Damn, Imagine calling a traitor someone who you killed and forced into afterlife service. Arthas was a fool, he deserved it.
6:56 - OMFG, where did Kel'Thuzad found those sceletons? :O
He created it from corpses if you might remember he was a necromancer and necromancers have the ability to create minions
this nigga kel'thuzad mastered the "no snitching" ability
Ah the equality of death. Once they were enemies, now Arthas and Kel are friends. Every Hamlet needs his Horatio. Even those Hamlets who had killed their own fathers I supposed.
"Give my regards to hell, you son of b*tch"!! That'S my girl :)
ew
We need her old voice actor back
I agree completely. Her voice Lich King and post is like nails on a chalkboard.
I know right?! I reckon Blizzard cheaped out and wouldn't pay high enough for the other one. That's apparently why the VA for Arthas was different too. I can't say I'd be surprised, they do seem to cut corners when they can if it means more profit, sadly. Her new voice has grown on me a little bit, but this 1 is definitely my favourite. The current one isn't echoey enough in my opinion.
Agreed. I don’t like the nasally voice she has now compared to the original. I guess I’ve gotten more used to it since though
I still haven't got used to the new voice, this voice is just too good, suits her perfectly.
I didn’t play Warcraft 3 so perhaps my opinion won’t matter as much but I have to say I like the new voice better. The new voice sounds both banshee like and at the same time conveys a sense of civility and prominence, like a stuck up noblewoman that looks down upon everyone which I like. Plus the one thing I find with wow is that many characters just have really bad dialogue, but not so with Sylvanas. Her dialogue is always so much more eloquent than somebody like voljin or even anduin or Greymane. Certainly nothing wrong with the old voice though, and obviously if you played Warcraft 3 back in the day I can see why you would prefer the old one
2:55 It's a trap 😂😂 - admiral akbar
Can Arthas consider Kel'Thuzad as a friend? I mean, does he do everything willingly or is just controlled by the lich king?
Keep in mind Kel'Thuzad was working for the Lich King when he was alive, as the leader of the Cult of the Damned.
Weakened control or not, he was already loyal.
Kel was always loyal to the evil, undead side of the Lich King and he seemed to like Arthas. Im sure Arthas retained his own mind to maybe half of what the Lich King had. So he is both at the same time.
Although he became a psycho when he got his hands on Frostmourne, Arthas kinda treats his undead subjects with honor and respect. Makes me think that being a good leader is part of his actual personality and he's only an asshole with the living because the Lich King told him so.
@@TheRealGigachad1848 true. Didn't arthas say he'll never leave his subjects in the previous stage?
Maiv - Illidan, Sylvannas - Arthas.
Rule#34?
@@LeBrow420 ay bro we got a little too far with it 😳
did ner'zhul want to escape from the jailer by betray and resist him.
The dreadlord's ears are like elves
kobe2006 Pandian orcs have pointy ears too, and Draenei
That would've been too anticlimactic.
After the Shadowlands, we now know that Nathrezim are a race of Vampire like creatures, that are on the Shadowlands(The Deathlands, basically afterlife). Now, some of them are like us, have free will to be good and evil, but some are following the Legions.
Arthas has called Sylvanas as a traitress, don't remember when Sylvanas has sweared an oath to him.
@Goliath Online she didn't. She was forced into his service under mind control from the lich king. That's not oath. That's slavery. Blizzard needs to stop the victim blaming just to make Arthas look better then he actually is
When your waifu goes full yandere on you.
Kel Thuzad be like bros before banshee hoes!
should sylvanas have referred him the traitor prince.
The most satisfying betrayal ever..
Sylvanas, Arthas, Illidan, Tyrande and Garrosh are by far, best characters in Warcraft universe
Fuck Garrosh. Grom is where it's at.
Fuck tyrande and malfurion i hate them soooo much damn
Add voljin too ^^
cpnt fcknLevi Malfurion saved Azeroth 2 times
+TheCrimsonFuckr
Garrosh accomplished way more than his father did. Different but both deserve credit. Mighty warriors. Honorable and glorious in their own right.
Garrosh was very well written until blizz did a 180 for inexplicable reasons.
I fucking love this scene in which sylvanas betrays arthas. Its so incredably funny 6:47 first because sylvanas mentions "hell" which is a term Uther has used before but its always sounds funny cuz this world has its own mitology. And second but most important, Sylvanas calls arthas a son of a bitch LMAO. The wording in WC3 is actually very polite and witty, so it feels extremely funny to see this former educated elf use such hood term lol
This Sylvanas seems completely different to the one we have in BFA....
Redcrosse Knight she is in the different position. In wow she is the leader of the forsaken and warchief. she will do anything to secure her people existence that makes her different
She hasn't seen hell yet
I don't understand why she just became evil...there are many death knights who are good, along with Alonsus Faol.
@@KenSachenbacher She has. In Wrath of the Lich King after Arthas died.
Thing is Sylvanas was a satellite character towards Arthas. Once he died she instantly lost all relatability.
Spooky squad saved the day.
6:56 Kel’Thuzad and Sylvanas each had four minions, is it fair to say Kel’Thuzad beat Sylvanas fair and square, or Kel’Thuzad was a better army commander than Sylvanas?
Kel'thuzad had stronger minions. Banshee does little damage. Their main power is possession.
Even without his minions
Kel can help him no problem
arthas was so polite to everyone
I never really understood...if Sylvanas has free will again and is now free from Arthas' control, why isn't she "good" instead of evil??
She just wants revenge. She would have killed herself perhaps afterwards.
When I played this game for the first time at 11 or 12 I had the same q..,why not just join up with Kael Thas or even the remaining high elves? But I think it’s just…there wasn’t much Sylvanas had left. I think being undead was repulsive to the Alliance, regardless of morality. That would certainly piss me off. The new content is pretty annoying imo, I prefer sylvanas unredeemed/un disneyfied. I like her best as an antihero…seems more realistic, given the in game prejudices the forsaken/undead have against them.
Her mind was broken by years of servitude and all the festering hatred she had to subdue cuz of her bond to the Lich King
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Sylvanas and Kael'thas both being part of the Horde in WoW would make for some interesting interactions.
@Arnold: Sylvanas evil? Her hatred of Arthas was what kept her sane while mind controlled by the LichKing. That alone perfectly explains all her actions in WC3. In WoW when the Forsaken join the horde, that's really no different from the Blood elves.
The Alliance's strict xenophobia against anyone not following the light or practicing the "unnatural" while the more diverse chaotic Horde embraces different ideologies. The geopolitics make sense.
The Horde isn't "evil", just different.
I hate sylvanas quite passionately these days....but a slave does not betray its master. No slave swears loyalty to their master, they are forced into servitude.
Proper title for this would have been: Sylvanas leads slave revolt against Arthas, finds outside help to do it.
tremedar love sylvanas , for the horde
5:53 Arthas' Painful
6:50 ironic coming from Kel'Thuzad
make warcraft 4 god damn
Arnon Art There is already, it's World of Warcraft.
Χριστόφορος i know wow is good game but i dont like play mmorpg it never ending i want strategy
As long as WoW exists in the same world, a Warcraft sequel draws away resources.
For one thing, how do you advance the story in a Warcraft 4, but have WoW keep up? Another Cataclysm event?
More likely, if they make a Warcraft 4, it'll be a prequel or a rehash of Warcraft 1 and/or 2.
Does anyone else find it weird that Kel'thuzad doesn't just wait for Arthas finish up ghouls ? It took Arthas only a few seconds to take em down and had no problem destroying the gate. Maybe Kel'thuzad could've waited a little longer to rejoin with Arthas and escape together.
would’ve been nice to show Kelly getting ambushed and chased off by additional forces, agreed
6:50
Kel'thuzad is like
Hello motherfuckers
I'm just listening to the Sylvanas book on audible. This scene from Sylvanas's perspective is pretty neet.
What's the theme playing at 6:50 ?
It's Arthas Theme from Warcraft 3: th-cam.com/video/hJ59KzX4vJI/w-d-xo.html
can't wait for remastered
Bro'Thuzad
indeed
Is it really betrayal when she was never really his ally to begin with ?
So the lich king could have been beaten that easily and we couldnt have killed the lich king in the raids ?
Yes
Arthas is so cool
You will adress me as King, man Kel Thuzad's loyalty help Athas this time, with tounge like that he could end up abbadone and dead already
These banshees aint loyal!
Why would they be, they were murdered by the scourge and forced into eternal servitude. What possible reason could they have to be loyal to anything in the scourge?
I see what u did there
@@tremedar wooosh
@@arawn1061 he's totally right
It’s time to even the scales. If she said TIP the scales I’ll be like “She ain’t no tactician like Robin from Fire Emblem “ lol. She’s more brutal than him. If anything she’s more like Grima than Robin himself XD
Cringe
Why did Arthas leave Northrend with Frostmourne in the first place? And now he has to get back as fast as possible?
He left northrend to take over loraderon and now he has to coma back because illidan is doing domething there
Unknown to Arthas, Illidan (least I think) made a crack in the LK's ice tomb with the spell he was trying to cast but was interrupted during the Night Elf campgain, that crack was wide enough for the LK's power to start leaking out
Arthas as a paladin went to Northrend to destroy the Scourge, there he was tricked into picking Frostmourne, blade imbued with power of Scourge's master Lich King, the blade took his soul, made him loyal to the Lich King which eventually turned him into a death knight.
Eventually Arthas returned to Lordaeron on Lich King orders. Destroyed it along with Quel'thalas and Dalaran. Eventually he was forced to return to Northrend to aid the weakened Lich King and merged with him.
The Lich Kind ordered Arthas to return so that he could start planning his sabotage of the Burning Legion invasion.
@@DantesonofSparda85 yep, Illidan basically created the Forsaken
Kel thuzad is a homie
I wonder if the Dreadlords have been serving the Jailer this whole time and they led Sylvanas down this path, they manipulated everyone
Apparently they were, at least according to Shadowlands.
And they also knew that Kel'Thuzad was serving the Jailer all along.
God, I hate these retcons...
Man, its obvious why, but she sounds wayyy younger than she dies nowadays
Did her voice suddenly became normal?
Different voice actor in WoW. :( This one here is Piera Coppola. I miss this voice.
Can Kel'Thuzad come do this in WoW? Sylvanas has become quite possibly the most cringy and most unbearable character in the lore, would love if he (or anyone) killed her or chased her off.
Sylvanas should have gone for the head
It's a shame after Sylvanas turn into undead Dark elf, she never speak any words in Elven language anymore. I really miss her insult and trash talk in elven words when she was just an elf
Can we pretend world of warcraft never existed?
We can.
Arthas not human
I wish Slyvanas killed Arthas here. Maybe after she got her revenge she wouldnt have to turned into a maniac. But then again what Arthas did to her would make anyone crazy.
Warcraft 4 is wow deal with it. Wow isnt a spin off. There wont be a warIV just accept it. A warcraft 3 remastered or remake is possible though
A remake is what we want for sure.. but they better not use the shitty models used in WoW.
@@self-awareandbiasedslander7761 It has to be at least Sc2 quality given the time distance. I mean, they gave us sc1 remastered so there might be a wc3 remastered.
5:40, the context of Sylvanas' latest cutscene in the PTR
anyway good morning besties, today is a good day to be a Warcraft 3 purist