Why Ghostbusters 2016 FAILED - A scene comparison
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- Join me as I compare two key scenes from Ghostbusters 1984 and Ghostbusters 2016, to demonstrate why one movie was clever, fun and enjoyable, and the other wasn't.
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What do you think of the new one? I’d give it a solid 7
You sound so young and innocent. Almost a schoolboy. Is this one of the films that drove you to drink?
16 ... seems as though everyone wanted to be Venkman, with it's nonchalant and glib repartee.
Kate McKinnon's character's name is even similar. Not for one second believe, that her name, Holtzmann, isn't drawing the comparison between the 2. She's also got a bit of Egon in her. I heard it when I typed it. Not what I meant.
The whole were not phased by any of this dialogue and reactions, is nothing but woke signaling. You can't show a female even being slightly concerned about the "power of a particle accelerator"
Because someone would bitch n moan, that's it's furthering the patriarchal, and misogynistic view men have, thats women are scared by anything technical, and sciencey.
It's so cute that you think someone will learn anything about this movie's failure :) .
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"The movie doesn’t trust the viewers to come to their own conclusions" sadly that's the problem for 90% of the movies today.
And women
@@ryanjones7681 the problem is lazy execution, not having a penis or not. focus on the real problems
This is so true..... It's sad. How and why???? Is it a trend?
@@lalaland2107 because it's a mass market product, therefore it needs to be easy to understand by a vast majority of people.
@@MatteoBandera you didn't get it. I think he was talking abt the feminist agenda pushed in the movie.
Original: gave the impression that the characters were smart.
Reboot: gave the impression that the characters were desperate to be viewed as smart.
Honestly. Not to mention the scene(when testing the packs), imo, was clunky. Every action seemed in a way accented. Like it was trying to show us an emotion/atmosphere was trying to be conveyed, but was so amateurish. An example when the two ladies backed away when the machine was turned on. They did it to show that they were worried for their safety and took a precautionary step back. It felt so forced and looked, like an excessively dramatized movement. In the original it was suttle and seamless. The guy casually moved over as close to the elvator wall as possible. He didn't need to use an entire scene change to convey it, or a zoom in on his face, just a simple move over. Simplicity.
@@Rob.N. Or, in other words, if you tell me how I'm supposed to feel about a scene, instead of the scene actually making me feel that way, you're doing it wrong.
@@0x777 Bingo
@@0x777 @Robert Neal : Yes as I remember the definition of cheesy on Urban Dictionary some years back.
_Celine Dion is cheesy because her lyrics, timbre, key changes, and swelling orchestral accompaniment telegraph 'i want you to be moved' instead of moving you._
I think it kind of applies here
respect wahmen!!
1:08 I like that Ray and Egon respect the power of the proton packs enough to be visibly uncomfortable around them. These things are DANGEROUS. In "Ghostbusters 2016" one team member is flying around, clearly not in control of an "unlicensed nuclear accelerator" while everyone else is standing around, making jokey-jokes when they could be incinerated at any moment. You should not be acting this way if you know what your equipment can do!
It's blown out a parody
That's the point. Bad writing.
In the original, comedy is consistent with the purpose of the scene... let's tell the audience why they have that weird high-tech backpack. Which is a dangerous nuclear device. Comedy comes from them being uneasy with it. Which is a totally normal reaction.
In the remake, the characters w/o any explation are totally chill about it. I mean in the original it's dangerous just turning the accelerator on. In the sequel two character at first look concerned (it's the writers' nod to the original scene, but w/o understanding it) then are cool when it goes totally out of control. The whole scene makes no sense. Is it dangerous or is it not? Are the characters worried or are they not? 2 minutes + of screentime spent to establish nothing. Or worse, to establish confusion.
@@TheMule71 Yup. This. Egon explains what these things are and even mentions why it's so dangerous to cross the streams. ("try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light").
The remake focuses on the awful physical comedy and any questions about the proton packs themselves remain unanswered. So are these things dangerous or not? Well, we don't know, so we don't care because we don't know what the stakes are.
Also she would have fried herself and her friends flailing around. Plus it was corny slapstick for cheap laughs. Imagine if the original ghostbusters had a scene like that? It would have been terrible.
@@DanyalElia it's worse than a parody, it's literally a cartoon at that point.
I just rewatched the original with my daughter. One thing that stuck out to me is the power of certain scenes like you said. One of the other really moving scenes is when the Ghostbusters get let out of jail by the mayor and they have to regroup for the final battle at Dana’s apartment. The music, “Saving the Day”, Ecto 1 being escorted by the cops down 5th avenue, the whole city rallying behind them is just so emotionally powerful without throwing a ton of CGI and corny jokes at you. Movies today don’t know how to take their time with things like this to build a scene and draw emotion, rather they fire off a million things at once for the short attention span person and hope you’ll just be in awe of the pretty lights.
That's the difference: writers used to ask themselves if they'd "earned" the emotional payoff of a scene. Now that they're pushing certain social narratives they feel entitled it.
Kind of the way I felt with Hancock as well.
yeah because it's make sense a city in a apocalypses just getting together to cheer the ghostbusters instead of just run
For a movie dealing with spirits,this one had no soul.
Not surprising though since the director, who also co-wrote the script, didn't even want to do it. He had turned it down several times. So it wasn't exactly a passion project.
Well said. :-)
Bill Murray zombie
Good one lol 😂💀💀😭
Nice
2016: A long explanation on how the weapon works
1984: If you use it wrong we all die
And moving to the other side of the cramped elevator when ray got switched on, i feel like the older movie was better at doing physical comedy so it didn't feel too wordy.
That's basically every movie today which is why everything is 2:45 instead of 90-1:50. That and action scenes go on and on and on because CGI jacking off.
Pretty much sums up how women tell stories lol
Look I’ll simplify it when you try and make women sound smart and funny it fails because women are not smart and funny.
It's been along time since i saw the movie. Who's the Black guy? Does he have a name? Or any lines? Asking for a friend.
I know this is 4 years old but this video made me love this channel.
*5
Same.
The Proton Pack managed to destroy the paper ghost but was harmless against everthing else it hit and no one was running for cover. Strange. This was a movie I passed on.
“Let’s make them say random science words and point at stuff with a stick because that’s what smart people do”
I hate it when things try to act smart but are obviously not. Using sophisticated and meaningless jargon is an example of that.
@@thepope2412 There are movies where they also use "technobable" but atleast some words are still recognisable enough (if you listen closely) to be atleast a little bit coherent.
@@wu1ming9shi But what's even the point in those technobable scenes? Is it to show that the characters are smart? All it does is make them look pretentious. Take that stupid jimmy neutron sodium chloride meme for example. That's essentially what it is. But if the jargon was actually accurate and somewhat needed that would be a lot better, but in the case of ghostbusters 2016 they really just throw a lot of science words together as the op was saying.
I guess you must hate Star Trek: TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
Yeah it makes people sound more photosynthesis than they actually are. SMH my head
this movie was so bad I saw it on a flight and people still walked out.
bloodsling gotta day that got me
bloodsling this is genius
Im gonna have to use this one day
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Now that's funny, you should have been writing the script for this woke nonsense.
Now that was a real rodney dangerfield joke 🤣🤣🤣
Better explanation would have been
Kate: "so I condensed what we used in the subway to this portable version you can wear on your back"
Melissa: "so you put a nuclear bomb in a backpack"
Kate: "yeah, that sounds way cooler when you say it like that"
I love the "No Smoking" sign juxtaposed to the very dangerous topic the characters are actually discussing in the scene.
2016 Ghostbusters was so bad The Pirate Bay actually issued refunds.
Who would even want to watch that infected vaginal excretion for free?
I saw it 4 free and I still want a refund.
Hehehe, that sounds like a good episode of South Park.
@@michaelsolis4801 i only saw a couple scenes from Ghostbusters 2016 and i could feel myself getting dumber just from the 10 minutes of footage i saw on TV when scrolling through channels.
dang... 😂
Ghostbusters Afterlife: _"It's been 30 years since ghosts were seen"._
This mean everything.
Yes... Happy they're making it like the 2016 Ghostbusters never even happened!
@8bit NES Cutscene wrong video bud.
8bit NES Cutscene bruh stfu
8bit NES Cutscene you need help
@@niko-im8nl Don't bother lol.
Watching that scene in 2016, I kept thinking "Won't that proton beam split a person in half? Why is nobody running for their freaking lives?"
When Egon switches on Ray’s pack, his timing for backing away from it is perfect. He gives it a beat before slowly backing into Venkman and the wall. By contrast, Wiig and the other gal back away immediately and less slyly. It makes all the difference.
The late John Huston said it best: "You don't re-make a good movie, you re-make a bad one and try to make it better."
They’ve only really made it because they want pussies instead of dicks
Let's remake all of Adam Sandler's Happy Madison-era films
@Cuthbert Bracegirdle But the original wasn't bad... Just mostly campy by today's standards. The ending is still horrifying and holds up today imo.
Blade Runner 2049...
Well Said John huston 😎
Original Explanation:
"We are basically walking nuclear bombs."
2016 Explanation:
"We know what we are talking about, and the Viewers don't need to."
Like wtf.
They mainly focused on the fact that the main cast was all female instead of actually showing us a team of ghost hunters catching ghosts
@@LibertyPrimed
Yeah, I know.
I just wanted to highlight a key thing that's just wrong about this scene in the 2016 Remake.
Evangelion neon genesis:
I like Star Trek. I'm used to listen to a lot of technobabble. The way they use this kind of dialogue here makes them sound like stupid frauds, not intelligent scientists.
@@Straylight4299
To be fair, in Star Trek, when they talk that way, you can at least understand something.
What always got me was that when they switched on Ray's proton pack, the theater really rumbled! The humor we had been experiencing all of a sudden had some really good effects starting to creep into the story.
The subtlety of the “no smoking” sign in the elevator was funnier than the whole 2016 flop!!
"I blame myself" "so do I" - it seems like an important part of the characters is to have distinctive enough personalities that even though they're saying the same thing it has very different connotations
Yeah whatever some of those words were you said yeah
@ParallelLogic exactly. Three words each, and you get an instant insight into the dynamic of their relationship.
Exactly. Out of context, one would probably assume the character is saying “So do I (I also blame myself)”, but the way Murray plays Venkman, we know he’s actually saying “So do I (I also blame you)”
YES
@@Dominic-Decoco Exactly. I can relate with Egon because of moments like that.
Let me quote Bart Simpson: “I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.”
you aint seen mega maid, she goes from suck to blow
@@tenryuta But it was a toggle switch, not both at the same time :P
@@Cairannx trust me, it's better that way
I still use that line to this day. Along with "What you don't know can fill a warehouse."
Hit and run?
Even Ghostbusters Afterlife dismissed the 2016 fiasco; "there hasn't been a ghost sighting for 30 years!"
As a screenwriter and friend of one of the original Ghostbusters characters this review is brilliant. A movie scene dialogue must be allowed to "...breathe..."
It's been 4 years already? Really shows how forgettable this movie was.
I wonder how long it'll take people to forget Cats.
@@starlet12321 Funny that you mentioned that. I had completely forgotten that that thing existed. If it wasn't for your reply I hadn't even noticed that it has already been released...
Like most of hyped mainstream films
starlet12321 There's a Cats movie?
Lol I don’t watch ghostbusters but I just thought they canceled the movie 🤣🤦♂️
I don’t care if the characters are black, white, man, woman, just write them well with the narrative they ride along
"There is no racial bigotry here. Here you are all equally worthless."
Alright Christian Fascist
@@joebenzz Love that. Sauce?
@@bloodcottoncandy1514 Full Metal Jacket 👍
Christian Fascist Nice to see there are voices of reason mixed in with the plain old racist Nazi sympathizer in this comment section, maybe our combined efforts is enough to make you realize how idiotic your antics are
Having only discovered this channel this year, this is a stark contrast to how you review films these days 😂😂 this is so polite
Yeah people change and adapt
Don't forget the sign that says "No smoking" which is the icing on the cake!
original: subtle, quiet, and CLEVER.
reboot: loud, obnoxious, and DUMB.
It's like one of those loud teenager shows
Except this one is also feminist
The reboot was just cancer
UltimateSteevil damn straight have a like
You just described the new SW trilogy
@@i_am_well nah mate, i reckon i nailed "describing the star wars SW better on 'thor skywalkers' video about how "jj abrams thinks he can finish the story he started despite the last jedi"............... where i wrote:
i STILL don't know the story, aside from:
Rebels: "look-out! bad guys!"
fans: "who are they?"
story: "don't know."
rey: "who am i?"
story: "don't know."
fans: "who's snoke?"
ryan: "your theory sucks."
fans: "MY theory..?? Aren't YOU the guy who is supposed to......."
story: "hey- luke left us a map in case we need him."
Luke: "leave me alone, i came here to die."
fans: "..........................."
everyone who is not ryan johnson: "w........... wait.... what??"
ryan: "exactly!!... how subverted do you feel? Clever, right?"
fans who care if the story makes sense: "... uh .................. not...... really.......... kinda POINTLESS actually, both figuratively and literally..."
disney: "you are sexist."
soon to be ex-fans: "...... uh................... WHAT??!?......"
what. a. cliffhanger!! :P
The 1984 original was a horror comedy movie while the 2016 version was a twitter adaptation of the original
Lol true
Watching the 2016 version made me want to eat the end of a shotgun
every movie after social media has invented is about adaptation.
@@sawyerclegg7510 It made me want to be the end of a shotgun
This seems more like an SNL skit than a movie
In the elevator Egon says 'I blame myself'. Wenkman replies 'so do I'.
Beautifully ambiguous
Man thats a brilliant breakdown. Whats the first episode where he started doing the Drinker persona?
“Yeah make sure one of those girls is wearing a MIT sweater to really emphasize how smart she is” UGHHHHHHH
In the immortal words of John Mulaney; "Ah, you should be a good alumnus and donate, and they all have shirts that say 'school'!"
It's feminism , that's why it failed. It sucked . Women are not funny or entertaining.
The best part of this video is how the reviewer never once mentions feminism, gender, diversity, or anything related.
Which means even without discussing that, just on the merits of it being a film, that it lacks the same level of charm, quality, and acting by comparison to the original.
Well, he DID say that there is literally never a moment where someone isn't talking. I think we all know the reason for that...
🤣🤣
He doesn't need to because A - It's so obvious thats what's going on nobody even needs to say it, and B - There are so many other failings to pick at you can fill your boots elsewhere.
it'd be completely different (and probably funnier) had it be done today
Even though that was most of the problem 😆
"Never a moment where someone isn't talking." Sounds about right 😂
Or yelling.
I didn't think the 2016 reboot was terrible but it wasn't nearly as good as the original and I was surprised at how little I remembered about the movie beyond the cast. It definitely tried too hard to surpass the original and missed abysmally. Loved your analysis, it hit the nail on the head.
I didn't go see it because the director was interviewed on national TV the day before release and said " If you don't go to see it, your a misogynist."
That ended any desire to see it for me.
reminds me of the charlies angels remake
No way realy
Can you link it? I looked everywhere and couldn't find anything where he said this, not in video clips or articles. Either you misheard something he said or your memory retroactively inserted his response (to the backlash after the release) as if it was something he said before the premiere. Here's a pre-movie release article that comes the closest to him saying something about the gender wars, but the context reveals his sentiments are excitement for little girls to see the movie:
“I wanted for little girls to be able to see themselves up on the screen,” Feig says. “The original one exists, so you can see boys doing it, but how fun for girls to have this experience!” That’s why he pushed so hard for new Ghostbusters action figures. “There was some resistance,” he says, “because there’s a fear that boys wouldn’t buy toys from a movie starring girls. But guys have such great feelings of nostalgia because the original had a lot of gear. I’d like girls to be able to put on a proton pack and run around.”
www.vulture.com/2016/07/paul-feig-ghostbusters-reboot-c-v-r.html
@@YourMajesty143 That's one of the issues. You build up an audience, then years later, some moron copies you, and remakes your thing just because yours is no longer "modern", without any genuine idea of how it should be executed. But there's your good old audience, and they at first think there's gonna be more to what you've created. Only to realise it's not even been actually made for them, it's only a trap with the same title luring them in.
The only idea here was to modernize it as well, and incorporate the modern norm. Apart from that, little to no original ideas added. Just modern CGI (modern CGI is still sh*t though...) and women instead of men, just because fEmInIsM. Meanwhile they say how feminism is not about raising women's rights ABOVE men's, but to equalize rights for a good reason; so that no one has to suffer their loss of "autonomy", which sounds fine, but then... kid me not, if that's really true, the very advertisers misunderstand what they advertise.
@@formulasg6828 exactly. Wtf was Elizabeth Banks on? There are plenty of female led movies that men love lol. Wonder Woman, Aliens, Terminator, Terminator 2. She was clearly just reaching. Just because men don’t like her movie doesn’t make them misogynistic
Original Ghostbusters was a comedy/horror/drama that balanced well bridging the different movies genres. 2016 Ghostbusters was a 2 hour tik tok video.
It reminded me of one long snl skit, and snl is pure garbage.
Original was pretty shit, but this one was definitely funnier and i dont know why old movies are not that rewatchable, the newer movies, you can put them on rewind and keep watching without getting sick of the same movie but thats just me toh.
@@demonwizard2162 I feel like that is literally just you dude.
@@speedycheese790 i feel like hes trolling
@@lapeez2277 I hope dude
Welcome to 2024. Not only Ghostbusters 3 came out, but now we are getting a Ghostbusters 4 and for the world, the reboot never happened
5:24 "There is literally never a moment when somebody isn't talking." Well, it IS a movie about 4 women...
You know it’s old when he sounds calm and doesn’t end with “go away now.”
Yeah, old mic too, lol.
And with no cuts to "I definitely smell shite" or "hA-hA-Haa-HA-hAA"
I listened to a lot of his older videos and the shift from analytical intellectual to full blown drunken critic seems to have happened around the Captain Marvel video. Can't imagine why.
@@GearShotgun Yeah, one can only wonder.
...and sober
"some people loved it" yeah people on twitter that never seen it and walked into a cinema,.. "girlpower" "so diverse" "oh a black woman too" - these people dont care if its a bad movie
Tintifax ikr their cringe
Aka Radical ultra left marxist feminazis
professor mcgorgeous
stop using long complicated words i cant understand. You know what never mind ill just ask my special ed teacher tomorrow
@@jacobsaccount9353 wow dont bring special ed into this. Dont compare them to the twitter snowflakes
Sanchria my apologies
What bugged me for real in this scene as well is that the recoil is strong enough to lift her up in the air, so it's just simple physics to understand that none of them will ever be able to use that weapon effectively, if the recoil is powerful enough to lift you right up, no amount of counter force apply will ever counter that, not without a fix tripod at the very least
Talking about character development, you're TH-cam Character has evolved a metric $hit ton in the last 4 years! This review shows how far you have come & how the current character you portray is so incredibly distinctive compared to both this review & other reviewers on TH-cam. I tip my hat good sir at what you've built! Cheers! 🍻
You know what I love the most about this comparison?
*none of these examples have anything to do with gender*
Except...there were people saying they will boycott it even before the first trailer was shown.
@@Hirnlego999what does that have to do with this comment? Theres going to be crazy people who attack any new thing lol. Countless fans boycotted the star trek remake but it still did phenomonally. Hell butthurt fans boycotted star wars episode 1, 2 and 3. What does that have to do with gender?
@@yderga8707 Some of the hatred is gender based, that's the point. Go woke, go broke, it means essentially that do not pander to other audiences...just pander to me.
Even suggestions that say James Bond turns into Jane Bond makes a lot of people really nervous which can be seen in the number of comments, videos and likes. I'm not saying that all of it is like this, nor do I think companies do it because they care about diversity (it's all about money)..
Context is often also lost, lots of manbabies cried about women ruling in later GoT seasons and they don't seem to even understand that two of the women Cersei and Dany are all bad guys.
@@Hirnlego999 I agree that it's stupid to hate something simply because of a gender or race change without giving it a sporting chance.
And I'm sure there was a great number of people who didnt go see this film simply because it was a mostly female cast. To me that wasnt the issue, it was partly the issues stated in the video, and some others including the off putting messages from the director.
The reason I mentioned that this list didnt include gender was because of the producers that make bad female centric movies and blame it on men, some preemptively make assumptions their movie will do badly because men are sexist, meanwhile we have a plethora of films containing female leading roles that have male support like kill bill, wonder woman, alien.
Personally speaking I get more excited to see a GOOD female lead than a good male lead at this point. But when I start hearing the directors talk about how thr movie isnt for men, and how itll probably fail because it's a female cast, it genuinely makes me not want to see the film, like birds of prey, which actually ended up being a decent film.
At the end of the day, producers need to stop this moronic way of pandering and simply focus on good storytelling and good writing, regardless of gender, color or race.
@@yderga8707 "we have a plethora of films containing female leading roles that have male support like kill bill, wonder woman, alien. "
There are examples of course, but they are all quite few in numbers in comparison.
At least the 80s muscle macho man died out and a lot of the newer heroes are more brainiac.
Birds of prey I didn't like but it was not a serious movie at all, she starts up early by blowing up a major factory and likely getting a huge number of people killed just there, so she isn't exactly a role model or anything. Then the movie made the mistake of bringing in too much her gang, and many of them don't seem to be remarkable at all in many ways. I mean the girl just accidentally pick pocketed the wrong person. And one can sort of fight, and scream? Meh.
Here I'd rather see her in a role like Joker, or have him meet her in Joker 2 at the asylum, and perhaps dr Strange. Keep things slow and perhaps only in the third movie make him escape, perhaps he has learned a lot from other criminals and this could be used further as a societal error shone light upon, the system makes them worse.
I don't think the pandering will end generally, this is just companies trying to reach out to larger markets, obviously Disney has wanted to make SW into something big in China but so far they have failed. There's of course this thing about trying too hard, people can call out the bluff so speak.
But also in general, I don't mind if things are shook up a bit, they already for instance got rid of some of Bond's bad habits and what he does in one movie is basically a rape by today's definition, that shit needs to change.
Otherwise it seems everyone wants to be pandered to which to me is odd as i was told in various ways as a kid that one should try to live in other people's shoes.
I had a toy Yoda, it wasn't because he was like me, I didn't speak like he did and certainly didn't look like him, I liked him because he had some form of heart and was...different.
This is the calmest Critical Drinker video I've ever watched
Why tf is he so sober?! It doesn't feel right...
He ran out of booze
I was about to say the same
@@littlebabysicecream666 It's the depths of depression this movie sent him into.
you think at one point he was just "the critical healthy Joe" and slowly as the movie industry crippled itself and began plummeting into a downwards spiral of death he became the drinker
Don't forget that in the Original whilst they are each wearing A Nuclear device there is a 'No Smoking ' sign behind them n the elivator.
Classic Comedy of it's time.
It did feel like a hugely overly long SNL sketch or sequence of sketches. A sketch doesn’t have character development. Or care that the actors roles reverse or change between sketches, as they share the chance to be the “funny one”. The original didn’t work because there were 3 Peter Venkman’s on the screen, taking turns. It worked because we had 3 well defined personalities that the comedy leaned into.
1984: "We're each wearing an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on our back." The audience knows what nuclear power is, coupled with the fact it's unlicensed, it definitely sounds dangerous.
2016: *techno-babble and made up words*
The audience has no frame of reference for what any of this means so it doesn't sound dangerous, just technically complicated. The explanation doesn't land anywhere near as effectively.
1983: 'our audience is clever, they'll understand'
2016: 'our audience is stupid so let's give it to em all at once'
I wonder if part of that might have to do with more discomfort around nuclear power in the culture in general. There have been a number of high-profile incidents around nuclear power in the years since the original Ghostbusters (Chernobyl comes to mind, in 1986) that may have made it harder to stomach the casual use of it in films. Note that Spiderman in all the live action films no longer gets his powers from a radioactive spider, but a genetically-modified one, and how the Indiana Jones 4 fridge scene was so poorly received. So they substitute a techno-babble explanation. Let's see how Afterlife explains the proton packs, because somehow I doubt they're going to let kids use them onscreen if they are associated with nuclear energy.
@@kateorgera5907 there’s been 3 nuclear meltdowns in history, Chernobyl, 3 mile Island, and Fukushima.
@@kateorgera5907 how do you get all that from a movie where a group of people fight 'ghosts', it's fictional, the fact that they mentioned nuclear power at all is just a way of try to let the audience know its dangerous to the 'characters'
Also, if the proton beam shoved Abbey like a cartoon character holding a fire hose, then why didn't Peter, Ray and Egon didn't get shoved in the original after accidentally shooting a maid's cart? You know proton beams are made of plasma, not liquid. If plasma can do that the same way, then flamethrowers should've been banned in the first place due to accidental firing.
Let’s be honest here, nobody wanted or needed an all female reboot of a classic. I don’t understand why women aren’t written their own stand alone franchises. I’d much rather see a unique and individual movie than another half arsed reboot.
raimesey Thank you!!!!
Pretty much
Totally agree, prime example is Indiana Jones. If they'd rewritten it with a female Indiana it wouldve killed it, so instead we have tombraider, which is equally as great 👍
I've always asked this statement that makes people go into a craze:
If you believe in strong characters that differ from straight white men being good, why not use your creativity to make a unique and likeable character instead of simply taking those straight white men and changing them? Isn't that suggesting that the only interesting characters in your eyes ARE straight white men because you're resorting to copycatting them, therefore saying that you cannot think up an original character to fit your mold?
I love seeing them go insane because they can't seem to answer it truthfully.
Because theyre not creative or talented enough.
When this movie came out, I saw the trailers and cast, and knew then and there I wasn't going to be watching it. This has just reinforced what a great decision that was lol
Your narration style noticably changed after this .i didn't even recognize this as your video. I was like wait, who is this, i thought this was the Drinker?
I’ve noticed that anytime Leslie Jones tries to be funny, she just yells and acts bewildered.
As is the case with every black comedy actresses
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@@deshawndodd7883 Yeah your name is Deshawn.... I don't take biased opinions into account. Good on you for having your sisters' backs though. Truly commendable.
And wth was she doing with her mouth when she was dancing on the street?
*LOVESICKE* we get it dude you don’t like black women
This movie has two "comedians" who think that loud equals funny.
Well, I've like Melissa Mccarthy's as a comedian and movies such as The Heat and Tammy which I thought were funny. But yeah her yelling almost every sentence in almost every role gets annoying
Well put
It's what people do when they don't have anything to say.
They start making comedy via strange noises and making stupid faces.
It shows you if someone is actually a comedian or would like to be one but isn't.
Like most youtubers who aim their material at 8 year olds
This is why i hate Will Ferrell nearly all his roles has him shouting his lines
“I blame myself”….. “So do I” 😂😂😂😂😂
They didn’t make the movie about the ghostbusters they made it about having a all female cast
They proved that women cant do like men :))
It proved that 80s had better movies and that the 2010s did cringe humor that makes me sick. I could watch old 80s movies all day they are so clean and simle.
I actually liked this movie (I thought it was fun) BUT I've got enough sulfur in my brain to know the 80s one is millons of times better, and that you're not guilty of misoginistic voodoo if you hate it.
@Paul Martin Yeah that's what I said. You're point?
@@kovacthesaggy4014 He was trying to build on the point you are making, agreeing with you
Never forget what the actor Anthony Mackie said when he talked about how the studios are only really making films for '16 year olds and China'. That is the target audience. It is not us.
Well this is depressing for the mental level of 16 years old then ^^
As a 16 year old this is brain numbing. Perhaps 16 year old girls?
@@No-uc1xs well, you're def a 16 year old.
Nah comedy are targeted towards us
Not even 16. I watched this at age 12 and thought it was good. Definitely changed my mind.
Why did they need to have so many different recoil effects of the alleyway test firing? The first shot with the massive kick back was all that was required - as in the opening scene of Back To The Future when Marty plugs in to the new amplifier at Doc Brown's house.
Fun fact: explanation "how stuff works" in classic¹ made some sense while in remake² was just a gibberish.
1. Nuclear powered field generator that traps "particles" ghosts are made of.
2. Long mosaic of made up words with real ones
Just to pile on here: the original movie wasn't about a group of literal, actual comedians hunting ghosts. The humor came naturally from a combination of good actors with good script. Like most of these timeless movies, they found a middle ground where they took themselves seriously enough for the plot to matter. But not seriously enough where it lost the humor. The new movie does none of those things. It doesn't care about the plot or the characters. It's just a group of comedians falling on their asses, as they try to save the world from a threat that isn't serious, because the characters don't take anything seriously.
DEAN
And this is why I liked this movie. It’s like a crack version of Ghostbusters.
Seriously
They were playing real people, not just caricatures, essentially.
The original also played the humor straight: Ray's eager, Egon's serious, and Venkman's sarcastic. The remake has them all as wacky bumblers.
The reboot still makes me cringe so much, I'm so glad Afterlife happened
Afterlife is so Sexy
Afterlife is the best movie ive seen on 2021 so far
@@brunocarlos4446 for real
@rrar rarr how
Phoebe test firing the pack was more entertaining than anything the 2016 movie could ever offer. The redhead and the blonde could have been in a complete scissor and still wouldn't have any interest.
The dialogue thing is now a common problem seen in almost every recent movie and certainly series. Something I heard from someone some time ago and really sucks when you start to notice it.
Didn’t see this in the movie theatres so bought the Blu-ray the moment it came out……..watched about half of it and switched it off…..the disc has been in its case sat on a shelf for 7 years……..
I like that you mention how the movie doesn’t take a single moment to take a breath, which I feel like is a recurring problem with most recent movies.
Back then, it was pretty common to have scenes during which the characters would stay silent, during which there would be brief moments of contemplation.
I think a good example of this kinda pause that we miss is one of my favorite deadpan jokes from an old TV show called 'Police Squad'
Specifically the one about the locksmith.
That can actually work, if done properly: _The Fugitive_ with Harrison Ford, and _Run, Lola, Run_ with Franka Potente never slowed down.
Nowadays we get two extremes.. Either the actors won't shutup for the entire film and make you feel like you're watching a Disney film full of propaganda
*OR*
You get a weird Netflix-like film where they have a small cast consisting of a malnutritioned looking main character that maybe has like less than 10 lines the entire film. With those movies you have the volume to the highest decibel because it feels like everything is on MUTE.
@@UncleKennysPlace Mad Max Fury Road might be the best movie I've seen that never slows down or breathes.
An excellent example of impactful silence is in the first Star Wars (A New Hope since the whole numbering thing is jank). Luke stares out at the twin suns setting and you see this range of emotions cross his face while the Jedi theme plays behind him for the first time. He's yearning to go, to explore the wider world and galaxy, but he's trapped in a nowhere farm. Ultimately, you see his face drop in resignation as he heads back in.
The score is also incredible, especially as the same theme is played in the final act as Vader kills the emperor to save Luke. It's this circle through the films that just ties it all together.
Anyways, most modern movies don't or can't do that. They need constant action and in your face impact, like the viewer will lose interest if you let the things slow down for a few moments.
It was bad because the whole interest of the plot was focused on them being women instead of people actually trying to catch ghosts
And the villain was a soy boy who resisted arrest and gained godlike powers by committing suicide, opened the gate to hell, and forced a bunch of people into dancing.
Wait what?
@@Mannwhich To be fair, both movies villains were the sign of the times. Makes perfect sense for Gozer to take the form of an androgynous punk with new wave still a thing in 1984. Also makes perfect sense for the villain in 2016 to be an angry, incel internet troll because let's face it....there's plenty of those.
@@KHayes666 Rowan was a petty manchild. Movie doesn't explain how he gains godlike power. He just does. Terrible writing, terrible villain.
@@Mannwhich Agreed on that part, just saying in today's generation angry incels are the villains
@@KHayes666 the androgynous punks weren't villains back then, lol
Damn Drinker calmly explaining why terrible movies are terrible is scarier than him full on sperging
And that proton pack scene in 2016 isn't even considering the first scene where they actualy test in the subway. That makes it even longer.
Plus, after the concert they go back so the office and Holtzmann just out of nowhere just made a bunch of improvement on the proton pack, just throwing random big words for the kick.
People have to keep in mind the saying, If it ain't broke don't fix it, when making re-makes. Blaming sexism for it's failure was really weak.
Don't act like sexism didnt happen and the second ghost buster was terrible
Everyone notices that it’s women rather than men running the business this time. But there’s also gender role reversal within the movie: 4 women are infatuated with their male secretary, he’s not that bright, but they keep him on because they’re so attracted to him.
Don C I’m not blaming the fact that they’re women but I am blaming the fact that nearly all of them are honestly incompetent. They are just not funny
Keytron Onit second ghostbusters was better than 2016
Keytron Onit Sexism didn’t happen Sony over exaggerated it and Ghostbusters 2 wasn’t that bad it was okay, but people at the time were expecting the Mona Lisa it would be like if they made E.T. 2 and it was just okay.
A lot of the jokes in this film goes for this rule: "If it's not funny, say it louder until it's funny".
Does it work? No, but it's significantly more irritating.
Lol saying it louder is one of the core tenets taught at the Amy Schumer / Melissa McCarthy school of not funny acting. Also taught in the curriculum is shit timing, joke theft / cryptomnesia, and repeating an already unfunny joke until the audience pity laughs to silence.
@@DaveKatague That is one of the most complete summaries of typical female comedians I have ever read.
@@rawx485 I tried to watch 10 minutes of Amy Schumer to see if there was a reason she keeps getting specials on Netflix. I sat through the entire thing without even o ce smiling. Nothing she said was funny, fart jokes, looking at the audience with a "you're supposed to laugh now face" and weird tonality that goes through the paces but the punchlines were just so weak and average it just sounded like speaking. She's probably a lovely person but dang she's not funny at all.
Which is a page taken from the Chris Rock book of comedy.
@@JDTonkleton nah
Rock had social commentary that surpassed the level of L Black, J Seinfeld and J Carland with better packaging ans deliver
Dane Cook is a better example of repeat it until it’s funny while getting louder and making noises and faces
Best way to describe this comparison. One is an intelligently written comedy. And one is jangling keys.
They literally laugh about killing a man, set a ghost on a old man, and don’t call themselves ghostbusters.
"there is literaly never a moment when someone isn't talking" ... best line to describe this horrific movie
"If no one's talking, then no one's laughing." - Paul Feig, probably
Well, it's a cast of all women, so.......
@@kevincollins6897 Came here to say that, lol.
@@HankBaxter I also came here to say that
Beat me to it lol :D
"Everything men can do, women can do better" And they chose one of the worst tropes: Technobabble.
"micro fabricated radio frequency quadric poles to speed up the particals" How does radio waves speed up oarticals?
Definitely not driving
People need to stop men do stuff better than women and vice-versa.Your gender doesn't mean anything about your skills or traits.
@@animarthur5297 we can see the difference in genders in medicine and sports, but other than that you're right
@@MrWolf-xk8sl medicine? The only reason women are not higher up in most companys is because of tradition, and because women tend to be less aggressive.
It was genuinely a great idea to get four beloved SNL characters together for a feature length film. It was a really stupid idea to shoehorn them into a Ghostbusters plot, like trying to shove a Cadillac into a doghouse. It could have been practically any other story, and it might have worked.
I just realized. Watching both scenes you are definitely on the correct
mind. Hates me to say this. I don’t know what happened in the writing process, but God dammit they fucked up according to the original Ghostbusters.
I like having shit reboots thrown at my face because it makes my appreciation for the original much much more.
@Denise Miller it's sequel sucks
@Denise Miller I like its prequel
That’s a highly optimistic take that I wish I could share
Dont encourage them.
Ah yes all reboots of old movies are pretty bad
Scratch that
Really bad
I love how Bill Murray isn’t a good looking guy, but is the confident ladies man in most of his movies.
He's ass ugly honestly
Women are into physical looks as much as men are What terms women on is confidence and Bill Murray is a very confident man
Don't you dare insult Bill Murray! :)
So what youre saying is that women take 5 times as long to describe whats happening in a situation....i dig youre videos,
But we coulda filed this in the "O" file for Obvious
Heath VanderWall I feel like Hollywood producers self insert their ugly asses into movies
It's a bit weird watching this video 4 years later, Drinker is so much more mellow.
i am so glad they made this movie. with a little history knowledge, it can give a very good impression of what things were like in 2016.
I laughed at the original elevator scene.
I cringed throughout both scenes of the remake. Yea, the remake sucks.
It's clear that they thought by having them yap constantly it would be funny in and of itself, and hide the flaws in the scene. Perhaps they didn't trust the actresses to carry the scenes on their own merit, which is, ironically, quite sexist.
@@Argumemnon to be honest none of those actresses can carry much of anything, which was why I didn't want to watch it in the first place, boy was i right!
i cringe at 2016 movie ... yes in its integrity !!!!
@@cl759 they could've worked (maybe) but they were given literally nothing to work with.
In my opinion it was really good
30 years removed, and that scene of Ray, Egon, and Peter in the elevator still makes me chuckle.
The scene in the 2016 remake version makes me want to turn off the movie.
On my top 10 list of all-time favorite comedy scenes.
Classic elevator scene. Let's not also forget the "successful test" on the housekeeping lady's cart..."What the hell are you guys doin'?!" "Sorry." "Sorry, that was my fault". "We thought you were someone else". CLASSIC!"I think we should split up.""Yeah, we can do more damage that way". I flippin' cry when I watch this scene--clear down into the ballroom..."Whoa, oh, whoa, oh, oh--nice shootin', Tex!"'84 GB is such a perfect movie.
Don't forget the H&S 'No Smoking'above then.... Whole scene is perfect 😂
I've recently seen the original Ghostbusters about 30 years after I've seen it for the first time, and it's still a great movie to me.
I feel like every time there was criticism during production, they said "you're just being misogynistic" and dismissed the concerns.
I’ve still never seen this movie to this day.
I've just realised what a genius idea it is to shoot a conversation in an elevator because it's the only place I can think of where people would talk while all facing the same direction.
In a car, riding a bus, waiting at a bus stop. Waiting in line, fishing, watching TV, being at a sporting event, sitting at a bar, sitting on a park bench, watching a performance, looking at an art exhibit.
All just off the top of my head lol
Greys anatomy does this all the time... wonder if that's why
@@Rodgerwilco91 but those wouldn't make sense in the context of the movid
Ummm really?? People walking, people looking at something at the same time (like a concert, movie etc etc etc etc etc etc.), people waiting for something etc
@@Rodgerwilco91 no, in a car you see only 2 people as the others are hidden, the same in line.. also they are going to catch ghosts so nonsense art watching, sporting events, watching tv, riding a bus ridiculous, as well as sitting on a bench or watching a performance.. Logic.
Not even Chris Hemsworth could've save that movie.
The NFL commentator?
He was the only enjoyable part of this film tho :(
True, although he was the only decent and funny character. The 'Mike Hat' piece was literally the only bit I enjoyed
Bf there’s not a lot he does save
@@robster191 hahaha yea Man
It boils down to a difference in humour styles, ghostbusters original relied on characters being humorous in a real life relatable way, the reboot, relied on the ridiculous, a more throw back to slap stick visual humour, Im sure, when they were writing and making it, they were believing it was Chaplin/ Buster Keatonesq, instead it, completely missed the point of how both styles really worked, therefore becoming a series of ott ridiculous sketch scenes, loosely strung together. Its one saving grace was the performance of Kate Mckinnon.
4:50 So, is it designed to fire non stop until it runs out of ammo or is she not letting go of the trigger? Another question is why it/she stops firing for a moment and then continues. Edit : twice, she/it stops firing twice.
The "No smoking" sign in the elevator adds also geniusly to the scene. It contrasts the concern about the little health risk of a single cigarette with the possible explosion of a nuclear power back in their equipment.
100% this - almost the main "gag" of the scene...Compare this with the vast amounts of signage and graffiti and visual chaff in the alleyway in the remake - which serves no real purpose at all.
And the mundaneness of regular life and the city meanwhile there Is a demon on the roof
@@rmc3728
So what does God think of the movie?
He speaks to you, yes?
Yeah the original bit had me laugh/chuckle about four times in that many seconds, that's a bit of a laugh every few seconds. The remake scenes have me cringe at about the same ratio. It's just a lot of needless talking, bright colors, making faces, and some slapstick. Was it meant for toddlers?
Visuals. That's what films are about, not "telling."
I am so proud to say that I've seen the original hundreds of times and the remake precisely zero times.
Amen brother. But I do plan to see the next one with Paul Rudd
@@flabio7074 Definitely - here's hoping that it lives up to the trailers.
This is the most of it I've ever seen... and I'm glad!
Fingers crossed for Afterlife!
Watched the 1984 GhostBusters last week, the remake, zero times and never will...
I watched the first one several times, the second one dozens of times (as a kid it's the one I had on VHS), and I've seen the 2016 one once... I will say from a straight up Ghost Busting point of view, it DOES have some pretty good scenes of actual ghost busting, especially the climax. That said, the comedy is almost always a complete dud. Chris Hemsworth is the only funny thing about the movie. So I'd say to those who are proud to have not seen the film, give it a go. But only expect actual comedy from Thor, and enjoy the lightshow at the end. It's not great, but it's better than the trailer had shown
2016 is about the time studio execs handed over script writing to their 15 year old kids in order to save money. Rings of Power was the first series made after the studio execs handed script writing over to their 10 year old kids after the 15 year old kids unionized.
I didn’t see this remake, but I know Paul Fieg’s style. The original movie had tons more story in the initial draft than it needed, and they had to cut down Ackroyd’s idea into the shape of a film. Fieg likes to start with only just enough story in the script as is required and fill in the rest on set with improv and make it work in the editing room.
No matter how evolved is the CGI, it cant save a bad script.
This sums up perfectly why modern cinema is so bad.
You said it sister
True
@@laggeryt7558 “modern cinema is so bad”? okay boomer
@@naveenkrishna407 right actin like a lot of the old movies ESPECIALLY weren't absolute ass, tryin to hard to be different
That's not Ghostbusters. That's the Saturday Night Live actors cosplaying the Ghostbusters.
Thing is, the original Ghostbusters WERE Saturday Night Live actors. Except they were funny. And talented. These clowns were shit, none of them are funny, the only thing I've ever been able to stand Mellissa McCarthy in was "Mike & Molly", and Thor should have been embarrassed to be in this piece of shit.
Yes. Sadly SNL hasn’t been funny this century.
BADLY!
Much of the points in this review makes me think the upcoming Ghostbusters movie won’t be good. It feels like a kids movie instead. The second movie has a scene where Bobby Brown is asking Ray and Egon for a Proton Pack to get for his son. They both say Proton packs aren’t toys for children. The upcoming ignores this rule because Stranger Things is popular. It will be garbage.
and really suck at larping. It's offensive and insulting.
I liked when the two girls nervously backed up, but that’s about it-and that was one of the aspects made the original film so hilarious. And I still get a kick out of the “No Smoking” sign.
In fairness, a scene doesn't have to be short and "tight" to be good. It's also interesting that in comparing those two scenes, it was the shorter one that dared to just let a moment "breathe" as you say. Honestly, I didn't even notice the part where the two stepped back as the proton pack was activated in the 2016 version. And the cartoonic bit where one just rides the blaster like a fire hose completely demolishes the reason for the audience to fear these proton packs.
I'd actually like to see in one movie where someone accidentally gets hit with a proton stream which causes some public outcry adding one more thing for the Ghostbusters to deal with.
Funny thing is, I didn't even remember the 2016 scene until watching this. The 2016 scene actually achieves the opposite of what it sets out to do: three characters stood nearby with bemused expressions as proton streams go flying wildly around that alleyway. Not concerned at all about what will happen if they get hit by a proton beam... hardly convinces me the proton packs are dangerous.
Right! And not caring at all that their 'friend' is flying around bouncing off stuff with her legs dangerously close to the beam. If I had friends like that, I'd definitely not be friends anymore afterwards.
The movie's today keep going with this inconsequential gag where they should have broken bones or died but they just get up like a drunk girl at a party.
The 2016 scene looks like a parody of the old scene, in the same way there are movies mocking twilight, LOTR or 300... Like -being a low-budget, low-quality movie on purpose to make people laugh... Embarassing xD
And, although I’m no expert, I coulda swore that one chick said you press the trigger button to shoot the target? Don’t buttons have springs, where they come back when you let go, as opposed to a switch, where it stays on? My Nikon F’s have buttons. It’s not like I go to take a picture & it burns up the whole roll whether I like it or not. And even if it did, it wouldn’t also slice my feet off & vaporize bystanders. But then, I’m also not using it to make a movie where that’s all I’ve got cos it’s weapons-grade shit.
@@emilyadams3228 excellent point
The anti male feeling was thick,
The foolish over acting and lack of talent reeked with horrid man hating
Doesn't help when THOR, (Chris Hemsworth,) play into their soy-boy role. Some actor would anything for $$
@@longgdukk6676 He even was the generic good looking dumb guy. While the "real" female secretary was rather chilled for working with those fellas.
@BLAIR M Schirmer "There isn't a hint of nuance or feeling of any kind." This is a big problem with films from the 90s onward compared to those from the 80s and earlier. The modern actors fail at nuance and depth of feeling. I don't know why. In Predator, for example, you had humor but also tension, sadness, adrenaline. In sequels it just doesn't feel like anything (just bleah).
@BLAIR M Schirmer There was a rumour going around during the production that some of the actors were really not happy with the film at all but had to sign some paper to not say anything negative about movie after it was released.
That's problem with SNL actors they have to overact to sell a sketch which doesn't work in the context of movie where characterization can be developed slowly.
1984: Create a scene that requires the audience to think.
2016: Clowns
awww it's so cute seeing Baby The Critical Drinker videos from before he found his iconic style