Haas has turned out to be a company that has done more for the American Machinist than any other... the Toutube videos no small part of that feat... You have made a fan of me... thank you Haas.
We've been broaching with our old Haas 50-taper mill for years. Producing internal splines every day. Most important is to have probes on the machine, then all extras are working that is needed - M19, G68 and so on. It's not that difficult to write a single spline subprogram using G91 for stepover and then later G68 rotation for next spline and repeat. But very good video Haas, thanks!
😎😎👍👍…. I’ve never regretted buying my Garage machine from you folks, stuff like this makes it even more valuable. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ to HAAS and the folks working there that make building a profitable Side Hustle very possible.
I knew you could do broaching on the Haas by making your own custom macro, I never knew it was a canned cycle already. let alone Haas having broaching tools. CNC broaching tools seem to be so uncommon, it's good to know Haas carries them.
Thru coolant broaches give about 20 time tool life in our experience. We were broaching ratchets by moving the broach off centre line. 45 teeth with 6 passes on each in en8. Ran thousands of those a week
Been broaching like this in a Haas machine for a long time. You can also achieve a program like this with macros, which keeps the program nice and small.
If memory serves correctly, broaching a 20 mm keyway is about equivalent in forces to drilling a 14 mm hole. Good indication that this is not harming the machine in any way compared to 'normal' use.
@@John-ik2eg So all 5 axis trunions are just falling apart from working at 0° degrees? Bearings can take huge loads even statically before taking any permanent deformation. If the load was enough to brinnel a ring statically it would instantly wear a groove on the rings of thr bearings as soon as the load was applied when spinning, and drill thrust for example is seriously underestimated
I would recommend Haas to re-write the cycle on the retract of the tool, go out of the material when you retract for a better wear on the insert. When you have to do lots of these operations it's way better for tool-live. 🤔😉
I use our software at work for this, but I add a G187 P1 E.05 line. Takes off up to 30% of the cycle time. Does the vps incorporate something like this?
@haasautomation is it possible to cut an internal keyway that is wider than the width of the insert using the G156 canned cycle? Looking to cut 0.750"-1.500" wide internal keyways if possible.
could you add two features to one being the ability to shift the key to the side to allow larger keys to be made for example 3/8 broach taking 2 passes side by side = 3/4 with our building to much pressure. Another is could you please order the shanks in inch as well as metric. Like for 1inch& 1.5inch holders
CaptainKlutch, Both the lathe and mill broaching templates are free upgrades. Just go to the download links on the Broaching page linked here www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching.html . . . there is also a link to instructions on the same page for installing the templates on your control.
csprinkler, If you go to this "Broaching" page (www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching/broaching_toolholder.html?op=/haas-tooling.html&oh=broaching) and click on the Haas Broaching Line dropdown menu you will find links to the various broaching templates and installation instructions. Here is the link to the installation instructions. www.haascnc.com/reference-container/haas-tooling-references/vps-template-installation.html
Bill Knighton, The VPS Broach Template files for both Mills and Lathes are on this page (also linked in the description). There are also instructions for installing the template files on your control. www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching/broaching_toolholder.html
Hello GTH Transmission, The VPS Broach Template files for both Mills and Lathes are on this page (also linked in the description). There are also instructions for installing the template files on your control. www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching.html. These templates are available on both the EU and US version websites. Thanks.
Broaching uses a broach and way more efficient. This is slotting. Not broaching. And for a precision machine would be a good way to ensure HASS maintenance sells more spare parts as it would be damaging to the machine in the long run.
k, listen to what Bhop has to say at this point in the video about our experience using this type of broaching on our own machines here at the factory. th-cam.com/video/js3Jx3FgBwU/w-d-xo.html
Haas machines are cheap, kind of accurate, work horses. I'm not saying Haas makes a bad product. I do have to agree with you in this instance. There is absolutely no reason to need the rotational offsets feature when you can just as easily change spindle orientation instead.
The way the macro is written requires increment in x, just easier to rotate by g68 especially when doing wide keys requiring a y offset, just gets messy in code otherwise. You could go buy an okuma or mazak or fanuc instead, and still have to pay their prices for the options, many of which are a hangover from the patents and copyright that GE put on these functions from the 60- 80s.
@@halomaster985 eh, relatively cheap not super cheap, they are mid to low tier on rigidity and accuracy. My base model eco turn 450 dmg mori will repeat size and location less than 2 micron, yet the comparable haas lathe will vary about .0015 per part sometimes😂 it’s sad. The only thing absolutely amazing about haas is the user friendly controller with all the extra features, and the tech support is top of the line
@@adammiller4879 Tech support has been pretty lackluster in my experience. Repairs are a complete joke, but that's more due to Sellway having a monopoly on Haas service.
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Haas has turned out to be a company that has done more for the American Machinist than any other... the Toutube videos no small part of that feat... You have made a fan of me... thank you Haas.
"we have hammered these mills mercilessly" ....good to see I'm no the only one that works a Haas like a sock puppet..lol
We've been broaching with our old Haas 50-taper mill for years. Producing internal splines every day. Most important is to have probes on the machine, then all extras are working that is needed - M19, G68 and so on. It's not that difficult to write a single spline subprogram using G91 for stepover and then later G68 rotation for next spline and repeat. But very good video Haas, thanks!
It would be nice to add in a widening option to be able to cut slightly wider keyways.
😎😎👍👍…. I’ve never regretted buying my Garage machine from you folks, stuff like this makes it even more valuable. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ to HAAS and the folks working there that make building a profitable Side Hustle very possible.
I knew you could do broaching on the Haas by making your own custom macro, I never knew it was a canned cycle already. let alone Haas having broaching tools. CNC broaching tools seem to be so uncommon, it's good to know Haas carries them.
Thru coolant broaches give about 20 time tool life in our experience. We were broaching ratchets by moving the broach off centre line. 45 teeth with 6 passes on each in en8. Ran thousands of those a week
Been broaching like this in a Haas machine for a long time. You can also achieve a program like this with macros, which keeps the program nice and small.
If memory serves correctly, broaching a 20 mm keyway is about equivalent in forces to drilling a 14 mm hole. Good indication that this is not harming the machine in any way compared to 'normal' use.
Forces spread across 360 degrees of bearing rotation in the drilling cycle. Full load on 1 degree in the broaching.
@@John-ik2eg So all 5 axis trunions are just falling apart from working at 0° degrees? Bearings can take huge loads even statically before taking any permanent deformation. If the load was enough to brinnel a ring statically it would instantly wear a groove on the rings of thr bearings as soon as the load was applied when spinning, and drill thrust for example is seriously underestimated
@@Sketch1994 *Interesting*
The difference it when drilling the spindle is turning and not stationary. I wiped out my spindle bearings doing this
Great guide video. Always informative!
hope ya make a spline video when they are available been looking for broaching toolholders
I would recommend Haas to re-write the cycle on the retract of the tool, go out of the material when you retract for a better wear on the insert.
When you have to do lots of these operations it's way better for tool-live. 🤔😉
lovely, would love to see spline broaches for involute 45 degree fine toyota splines.
Are the vps templates already installed in the machine? If so, where do you find them? If not, how does one obtain them?
Please make video on knurling
I use our software at work for this, but I add a G187 P1 E.05 line. Takes off up to 30% of the cycle time. Does the vps incorporate something like this?
Please add external Broaching to the mill template! I was excited to see broaching added to VPS until I realized it was internal only.
Can it make tapered keyways too (or would I need to tilt the part)?
@haasautomation is it possible to cut an internal keyway that is wider than the width of the insert using the G156 canned cycle? Looking to cut 0.750"-1.500" wide internal keyways if possible.
could you add two features to one being the ability to shift the key to the side to allow larger keys to be made for example 3/8 broach taking 2 passes side by side = 3/4 with our building to much pressure.
Another is could you please order the shanks in inch as well as metric. Like for 1inch& 1.5inch holders
Is the broaching template for the lathes a free upgrade or does it cost money?
CaptainKlutch, Both the lathe and mill broaching templates are free upgrades. Just go to the download links on the Broaching page linked here www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching.html . . . there is also a link to instructions on the same page for installing the templates on your control.
Good info, thank you 👍
Can the ISO-20 taper CM-1 do broaching in aluminum, with small stepovers?
Isn’t it risky putting a load on the spindle bearing when they aren’t turning. I tried this and it wiped out my spindle bearings
I have a Haas VF 2 SS EU 2018 ,
is this a Option for this machine ?
I see an awful lot of cycles on this guy's VPS that is not on mine....anyway to update the control/download those newer VPS cycles?
csprinkler, If you go to this "Broaching" page (www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching/broaching_toolholder.html?op=/haas-tooling.html&oh=broaching) and click on the Haas Broaching Line dropdown menu you will find links to the various broaching templates and installation instructions. Here is the link to the installation instructions. www.haascnc.com/reference-container/haas-tooling-references/vps-template-installation.html
@@haasautomation Super, thanks! I'll give that a try.
can you use a g156 cycle on a super mini mill?
Late 2019 dm-2 with vps, macro, spindle orientation. What do I need to do to add this cycle?
Bill Knighton, The VPS Broach Template files for both Mills and Lathes are on this page (also linked in the description). There are also instructions for installing the template files on your control. www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching/broaching_toolholder.html
Hello, Its possible for an VF2 YT EU ? i Dont have the VPS choice for broaching ! Thank You from France !!!
Hello GTH Transmission, The VPS Broach Template files for both Mills and Lathes are on this page (also linked in the description). There are also instructions for installing the template files on your control. www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling/broaching.html. These templates are available on both the EU and US version websites. Thanks.
@@haasautomation All is perfekt Thank You
thank you
👏👏👏👏
Broaching uses a broach and way more efficient. This is slotting. Not broaching. And for a precision machine would be a good way to ensure HASS maintenance sells more spare parts as it would be damaging to the machine in the long run.
no big deal I been broaching all 4 square corners in wave guides on my cnc's for years.
Isn't that how you put flat spots on bearings?
k, listen to what Bhop has to say at this point in the video about our experience using this type of broaching on our own machines here at the factory. th-cam.com/video/js3Jx3FgBwU/w-d-xo.html
Only thing I disagree with,
You shouldn’t have to pay for add ons, it should come with every canned cycle and g code, it’s bull sht
I agree other brands all have this built in
Haas machines are cheap, kind of accurate, work horses. I'm not saying Haas makes a bad product. I do have to agree with you in this instance. There is absolutely no reason to need the rotational offsets feature when you can just as easily change spindle orientation instead.
The way the macro is written requires increment in x, just easier to rotate by g68 especially when doing wide keys requiring a y offset, just gets messy in code otherwise.
You could go buy an okuma or mazak or fanuc instead, and still have to pay their prices for the options, many of which are a hangover from the patents and copyright that GE put on these functions from the 60- 80s.
@@halomaster985 eh, relatively cheap not super cheap, they are mid to low tier on rigidity and accuracy. My base model eco turn 450 dmg mori will repeat size and location less than 2 micron, yet the comparable haas lathe will vary about .0015 per part sometimes😂 it’s sad. The only thing absolutely amazing about haas is the user friendly controller with all the extra features, and the tech support is top of the line
@@adammiller4879 Tech support has been pretty lackluster in my experience. Repairs are a complete joke, but that's more due to Sellway having a monopoly on Haas service.
Hanzhen harmonic drive gear , strain wave gear reducer, robot joint , over 30 years experience
Technically, this is SHAPING, not BROACHING! A shaper has a single cutting tooth. A broach has multiple cutting teeth.