Skin Flukes? Bacterial Infection? Losing My Paradise Fish: What I Think Happened & Should Have Done
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Folks, the goal of the channel is to simply share my experiences, both good and bad, and this happens to be a not so good experience. I recently lost my Paradise Fish by misdiagnosing how series this condition was, what the initial cause was, and by not taking the right action immediately.
After 9 years in the hobby, I'm still learning everyday, and am far from an expert, but I've certainly learned from this experience. What I think happened, what I did wrong, and what I would do differently, in this video. I hope this video is helpful if you might find yourself in a similar situation down the line. We learn from our mistakes, which make us better, and we keep moving on!
Let me know your thoughts in the comments as to my best educated guess on what may have happened here...
Keep tankin!
Mike
I think your spot-on with your diagnosis. I would have done and used the meds you decided on (in retrospect). We all learn everyday in this hobby... and even those of us that have kept fish for years have losses. But we learn....
Thanks, Steph! Glad to hear you would have diagnosed it the same. It was my best educated guess, and you are absolutely right, we all have losses, even those of us who have kept fish for years. We continue to learn and get better every day...part of what makes it so fun and challenging!
Very sorry about losing your fish. Sometimes when you know what you're doing things go right so much of the time that it can quite awhile in between serious problems. In a way, it almost makes it easier to get caught off guard. Not because of not paying attention but just not dealing with it every day. I don't know if I an conveying this correctly but like you said, we are always learning in this incredible hobby.
Jeff - so true!!! Beside some fin rot, I haven't had many fish issues at all in the last few years, so I wasn't as attentive / heightened to problems. Completely caught off guard. I kind of have my little system dialed in now that has been working really well over the last several years - this one caught me by surprise. And you are right! We learn everyday in this fantastic hobby which is what makes it so fun and challenging 👍
You tried your best to help that's all we can do. Thanks for the video.
All we can do, coil dawg, you're right. Just hoping this might help a few people down the line 👍Happy 2020!
As far as I am aware, most commonly fish scratch because of nitrite spikes. For example, I sometimes see my fish scratching after cleaning the filter, around 12 hours after feeding. Cleaning the filter destroys some of the denitrifying bacteria and it takes several hours for the nitrites to accumulate after food input.
Hi Mike, I'm thinking this was probably an ulcer disease, which was latent within the fish already, and most often fatal no matter what you try. Video coming :)
Colin - I never thought of that. Very well could be...it came about so quickly. Great comment. I think it certainly was fatal no matter what. I need to catch up and check out your video! Downloaded it so I can watch it this weekend. You have been in my thoughts and prayers, my friend. I hope you are ok with all those fires out there. We hear about them daily on the news. Please stay safe!
@@dmichaelsfishden we have a similar ulcer disease here in Australia that we see in goldfish. Not really a cure available, just isolate and euthanise unfortunately.
You are a great communicator bud are u a teacher or something love ur videos well done keep it up ur such a modest man
Thanks much, Stefan! That means a lot. Nope, not a teacher in real life, though part of my practice in business is to help educate people. I was also a coach for many years back in the day, so I do enjoy sharing my experience and teaching as much as I can, if its is helpful!
Sorry for your loss....its so hard to decide what to do and use when your fish is sick. I lost many fishes trying to heal them.
Hi Lflower1 Stars!! Good to hear from you! Thank you for the kind words. Yes, this is certainly how we learn....our experience is the best teacher. Hope you are doing great and Happy 2020! 😀
So sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts and ideas.
My pleasure, Elizabeth! Yes, live and learn here. It's not the first fish I've ever lost and certainly won't be the last. Just have to learn from each experience. :) Thank you for the kind words!
Sorry for your loss. I’m discovering that trying to treat fish illnesses is harder than treating dogs or cats. You can’t give them an “exam” or draw blood for lab values, a lot of it is guess work and experience - as well as people like you who take the time to make these videos giving the rest of us some insight of what happened to you should we be having a similar situation. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words, Deborah! Yes, a lot of times with fish illness we do the best we can to diagnose, and even with symptoms that look pretty obvious, we aren't always correct. We just have to rely on our experience and learn from it. Usually experience becomes the best way to diagnose. Unfortunately, it is a lot harder than taking a dog or cat to the vet and knowing exactly what is going on.....which is why a lot of us are eager to share our experiences, in the hope it might help others.
Very helpful info. I had paradise fish years ago, they are beautiful fish
Hey Mark - glad it was helpful! They sure are beautiful fish. I'm going to replace this guy with another soon - Didn't have enough time with him! Thanks for watching!
Omg thank you so much for this video.
My Betta sprouted a White Beret on the side of her head. I immediately prepped a 2.5 gal. Rehab tank for her with Melafix and Pimafix for a solid week, did a 40% water change waited 3 days then Triple dosed the tank with EM, General Cure, and Super ICK for the next 5 days, I raised the tank temperature just a little from 78 to 80 degrees...she recovered like a Champ then I added a large Almond leaf and some floating plants like Anacharis and Guppy Grass so she will be comfortable and soon will be able to return to her 10 gal. Freshly prepped and fully cycled home tank.
You did a great job, and congrats!! Did everything right. :) The triple dose combination is always super effective. Glad to hear she recovered like a champ!
This is why I have a UVC running on my aquarium 24/7.
I would have thought the deterioration caused by skin flukes would be over a much longer period than 3 days? I have a paradise fish with a big gash on the side of his face (GWKs bombing around the tank caused him to swim into some hardscape). It is a nasty wound; however, it is healing with salt baths and water changes/stress coat. I have not medicated yet. My guess would be some kind of agressive ulcerative condition. Very difficult for you to treat that.
Sorry for your loss. I just lost my betta today. Had him for 3 years. He just stopped eating and 3 days later he had died. I still dont know what happened.
Sorry for your loss as well - But 3 years is a pretty good run for a Betta - you did a great job. I know a lot of online resources and books say a Betta can live 5 years, but in my experience, I think in an aquarium environment, it is more like 2 - 4. It was probably natural causes, but sounds like you gave him a good life!
My fish has flukes ... I believe all of them . But I also have 2 map turtle. What fluke medicine won't harm the turtle but still help the fish?
After the death did other fish get them too? Did you treat the tank by prevention? Thank you 🙏🏻
That fish is a anabantid (labyrinth organ) like a guppy (its like a lung). While that medicine may work well for Cichlids etc that medicine is not good for that fish. The wounds were not that bad he seemed active despite the cuts , that medicine (your "liquid bandage") killed its ability to breath. There is no evidence for flukes.
Sargon - Guppies are actually livebearers, not anabantids, but you are right, paradise fish are anabantids and do have a labyrinth organ.
I appreciate the comment, and I wish it were the Stress Guard - that would make things easy, but the Stress Guard certainly wasn't the cause. After talking with Seachem a few years ago to make sure Stress Guard was safe for anabantids and after using it with Bettas many times, there are no effects on their breathing at all. I've used it many, many times on Bettas and it doesn't affect their breathing. Bettafix also gets a bad rap for affecting breathing with Bettas or anabantids, but this is simply an internet rumor that was started somewhere on a blog. At least in my personal experience over 10 years, I've never seen Stress Guard have a negative impact on any anabantid breathing. It's harder to see the wounds here on camera, but they were bad, one particularly deep, and certainly got a secondary bacterial infection. After extensively researching the cause, there is far more evidence of skin flukes than anything else, but I can't be 100% sure. I certainly will be treating the situation differently and immediately the next time I see anything like this....Thanks for watching!
@@dmichaelsfishden million apologies you are so correct I meant "unlike".
@@Scumbag_nopants Ah, gotcha. No worries man. And no apology necessary AT ALL. Well, then you are also absolutely correct - they are certainly unlike guppies. These things are tough sometimes. I'm no expert or fish vet and I try to research as much as I can and rely on 10 years of experience, but these things still happen. So I really appreciate you watching and commenting and sharing input. I really appreciate all the comments. I'm still learning in this hobby everyday 👍
I have glowlight tetras and they are sick. They have white indents in their head or small bumps growing under there skin. They have curved gills and white stuff peeking out but not moving and not fuzzy. They only look hurt on their head, the rest of their bodies are fine. A few stopped eating for a while and the smallest one went to the top of the tank for the night and died the next day, all of them before they died went to the top of the tank or hid and looked pale. My water conditions are good, my friend filtration is good everything in my tank is good. None of my other fish are showing symptoms. I would really really appreciate some help, this has been happening over a period of months. I have no idea what is is or what to do. I've tried treating with an all-in-one treatment but it hasn't worked. Please could you give me some help?
Have you looked into the most common freshwater fish diseases? I have to a pretty good extent because sadly so many fish these days come from overcrowded fish farms that are breeding grounds for opportunistic parasites and disease. In your case sounds like HITH(Hole In The Head/Hexamita) would be the white indents, and the small bumps growing under the skin sounds like a secondary internal bacterial infection likely caused by the internal parasite(Hexamita) eating away at the fishes insides. I've dealt with this myself in trying to keep German Blue Rams, outlook is bleak. You could try food soaked in API General Cure(broad spectrum anti-parasite medication) with their Focus(binder to help medication stick to food) for the Hexamita, an antibiotic like EM Erythromycin for the internal infection, and garlic mixed in to make it more palatable and boost their immune system. Also I would add Vitamin C to the water dosed at 10mg per liter to help boost their immune system. Frequent water changes would be good too. I hope this helps, I am by no means an expert, I'm just some guy who's sick of his fish dyeing. It's hard not to get discouraged from the hobby when disease is so prevalent.
@@anthonyjserianni2268 thanks for taking your time. I think it might be gill flukes too. The treatment I'm going to use also treats that.
@@shorkie8799Yeah gill flukes also makes sense considering what you said about the gills and it only effecting the face. I hope they make it. Currently dealing with some sort of external parasite myself. My fish are flashing and getting ulcers/losing scales. I just can't catch a break.
Hello my new friend, congratulations on your beautiful channel. Beautiful this video great information and experiences ... I wish you a happy new year. I have a channel dedicated to aquariums, fish, cichlids, turtles, diving. I joined to your channel and like ... I hope we will become friends.
Greetings from Italy
Marco
Hi Marco! Thank you for reaching out from Italy! Thank you for the kind words on the video! I'll check out your channel. Happy New Year, my friend!
@@dmichaelsfishden thank you my friend! I love aquarium and tropical fish. ..happy weekend
what is the lowest temperature that this tank goes down to?
Ken - at the absolute coldest, it gets to about 64, but it generally hovers between 66 - 74. During the day, about 70 - 72, usually about 68 at night....
@@dmichaelsfishden i also have a cold water tank, it get down to 60 degrees.
my stocking: paradise fish, cherry barbs, endler guppies, bristlenose pleco, nerite snail, malaysian trumpet, japanese algae eatiing shrimp(from petco, not amano