A very enlightening episode. Lots of points to get your mind engine rolling. A must watch episode. I am going to share with my peers. "Don't try to engineer society according to your values". I am going to use this one.
Question for Amit: on the issue of suicide, even if you assume full ownership of oneself (there are debates that we hold our lives as a trustee, and i think Locke himself said life and liberty are inalienable, for e.g. you cant sell yourself into slavery), how do you decide if this person, who is going through obvious psychological problems, has freely consented to take their own life, and thus should be permitted to do so? If it is a decision devoid of free consent, should the state not intervene to protect this self harm?
1) Walking nude in school/restaurant/office - victimless crime? Why is nudity outlawed when it harms no one? 2) Killing the most helpless/voiceless/powerless on this earth. Is it a victimless crime? (Have we asked animals if they consider themself as victims?) 3) Abortions. Victimless crime? (Have we asked the "conscious" life inside if it considers itself a victim? ) 4) Illegal migration. Victimless crime?
the whole point is that state should criminalise only the least things. some societies, offices ,schools can prohibit nudity while there may be places which accepts and promote it. State shouldn't feature in it particularly when state capacity is low.
While I agree with many points that have been discussed in the episode, I feel there is a certain nuance that has been missed. Some of the victimless crime have the potential to affect someone. You have touched upon the victimless crime of drunk husband mistreating the wife. There are others like DUI, in case of drugs there are cases of people doing antisocial activities under influence and harming society for satisfying the addiction. Essentially, activities which have potential for harming the society by altering the state of mind has to excluded from the list of victimless crimes. Other activities, imo, are truly victimless: homosexuality, prostituition etc. Also, in absence of state capacity, by making the first category of activities illegal, we are increasing the surface area of people getting to use those substances, potentially creating more addicts, reducing the productivity and state handicapped as it is to handle these issues. Thank you for making these episodes and making us think about these issues.
When a drunk husband beats his wife, the crime is domestic abuse ryt? How will that justify curb on alcohol. That's like curbing knives because some people use it to stab others.
What a beautiful future we have if A2 become the philosophical Kings if the world!!!
Tell me how can I support this EIE monetarily. Seriously I don't want this channel to stop ever.
Love this body of work that you keep putting out...
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A very enlightening episode. Lots of points to get your mind engine rolling. A must watch episode. I am going to share with my peers.
"Don't try to engineer society according to your values". I am going to use this one.
Great episode as always. So much to learn. Thank you for the knowledge you two.
Question for both: What would you think of mandatory seat belts, should the state stay out of that as well? Or mandate it in public interest?
Spicy thumbnail lol
There is a victim in the chicken example.
Question for Amit: on the issue of suicide, even if you assume full ownership of oneself (there are debates that we hold our lives as a trustee, and i think Locke himself said life and liberty are inalienable, for e.g. you cant sell yourself into slavery), how do you decide if this person, who is going through obvious psychological problems, has freely consented to take their own life, and thus should be permitted to do so? If it is a decision devoid of free consent, should the state not intervene to protect this self harm?
exactly
We need more Pie❤ please
But isn't prostitution legal in India and only pumping is not?
Gun control?
1) Walking nude in school/restaurant/office - victimless crime? Why is nudity outlawed when it harms no one?
2) Killing the most helpless/voiceless/powerless on this earth. Is it a victimless crime? (Have we asked animals if they consider themself as victims?)
3) Abortions. Victimless crime? (Have we asked the "conscious" life inside if it considers itself a victim? )
4) Illegal migration. Victimless crime?
Abortion is a victimless crime
the whole point is that state should criminalise only the least things. some societies, offices ,schools can prohibit nudity while there may be places which accepts and promote it. State shouldn't feature in it particularly when state capacity is low.
Can you decrease the number of ads
While I agree with many points that have been discussed in the episode, I feel there is a certain nuance that has been missed. Some of the victimless crime have the potential to affect someone. You have touched upon the victimless crime of drunk husband mistreating the wife. There are others like DUI, in case of drugs there are cases of people doing antisocial activities under influence and harming society for satisfying the addiction.
Essentially, activities which have potential for harming the society by altering the state of mind has to excluded from the list of victimless crimes. Other activities, imo, are truly victimless: homosexuality, prostituition etc. Also, in absence of state capacity, by making the first category of activities illegal, we are increasing the surface area of people getting to use those substances, potentially creating more addicts, reducing the productivity and state handicapped as it is to handle these issues.
Thank you for making these episodes and making us think about these issues.
When a drunk husband beats his wife, the crime is domestic abuse ryt? How will that justify curb on alcohol. That's like curbing knives because some people use it to stab others.