Your Logic 7 Audio is MEDIOCRE! Let's fix it. [Range Rover L322 Audio Upgrade Part 1]
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Here's part 1 of my Logic 7 Audio Upgrade on the L322 Range Rover.
The logic 7 system is good, but it's not great. Let's fix that.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro & Engine Follow-up
4:20 This video
5:20 Cars I've owned with good audio
5:58 I spent some TH-cam bucks!
6:15 Channel Memberships
6:55 Taking a baseline measurement
9:45 What are the problems with Logic 7?
12:45 Audison APK165 Kit
13:37 How many speakers in Logic 7 system?
14:54 AUTODOC PRIZE DRAW
15:51 Removing the old door speakers
19:20 Fitting the woofer surrounds
22:54 Wiring the tweeters
26:48 Sound deadening doors
28:02 Fitting new speakers
28:27 Quick test!
28:49 Reassembling driver's door card
29:34 Doing the passenger side
30:34 Audio demo with new speakers
31:50 Comparing old with new data
32:20 What's next?
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Anxiously awaiting part 2...
Thanks for making this one. Super tricky trying to find 2 ohm speakers that would fit without it.
Darn it Sam, last week you made me buy a set of fan spaners and a couple of super wicked bottle brushes, before I watch this how much am I spending this week?
Glad I could help 😆
This has been a great watch, I have a 2012 Westminster and do think the system is poop at low volumes. If you turn it up it’s great. All speakers work etc, just doesn’t enjoy low volume. 😂
Amazing, few days ago finished speakers in my TD5 defender, you know, 2 speakers is always something.
In my L322 i have bass farting logic 7 speaker. I hope that this video will show me how to solve the problem
Thanks for this guide Sam, just done mine to fix a buzzing driver's side woofer which it has done and added a nice little upgrade too.
I reused the butyl strip between speaker and plastic mounting cage which peeled off in one piece so 'why not?' and also glued back the foam circles to the front of the Audisons whilst the glue gun was hot.
Space where the tweeter crossovers go is a bit tight on refitting because of the loom going to the mirrors but a firm push and the grill covers sit okay again. I left out the tweeter mount cups and glued directly to the foam 'sails' which gave me a bit more room to angle the tweeters up further.
Great video, thanks for the tips.
I believe you got a low reading on the highs is because many tweeters are directional. The mic was sitting quite low, if it was around your head hight it would’ve picked up the higher frequency.
Tweeters and mids are best placed on the A pillar or on the dash if you really want sound quality.
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On my l322 i had to change the lower front woofers as the glue breaks on them. Once i did that i upgraded the subwoofer as the standard one cant keep up with the rest of the system. I also have that mic and use a dsp witha few amps in my p38. The mic works best placed between the headrest and the top of the seat as it needs to be located where your ears are to be accurate.
Nice one Sam. I've copied almost every mod you've done on your Rangie. Although mine is the 5.0L SC 2011. I recently did the Idcore mod and I love having Apple CarPlay in my car. It's totally transformed it. It even changed my mind from upgrading to an L405. I agree with your opinion about the speakers being mediocre. New Audison speakers are on order! Sound matting is a good idea too. Looking forward to see what you do to the sub. Mine is very sub par.
Does your supercharged not have the HD sound package?
It has the Harmon Cardon Logic 7 sound system@@davidwalker72
I have a Disco 4 with a Maridian sound system that is experiencing the same issue and I think I will have do a similar process on it. Great content keep it coming!
I have a suspicion that your L322 Mid Range Audio setup is exactly the same as the L319 top range setup. Really looking forward to more videos about improving the sound quality in the vehicle, as my 2007 HSE sounds poor for a vehicle with a harman/kardon Logic 7
Nice upgrade. Very much forward to seeing what you do about the sub; the weak sub is something I am keen to address on mine.
Fantastic job!
that little wireless mic is certainly a good one (for my not very trained ear that is). and the upgraded car audio does sound much crisper. well done, thanks for an awesome video
I think the original oil recommended by LR was due to the cars being used in all climates - if you live in a really cold climate then maybe avoid changing from recommended - in Ireland and the UK - you are far less likely to have an issue with the change
Possibly... although the winter rating (5W) is the same for both oils, it's just the hot oil rating that's higher viscosity, which wouldn't really be affected by the weather. I think the main reason 5W30 was chosen was for economy and environmental reasons.
Another good video Sam 👍👍👍👏👏👏⭐️⭐️⭐️
Interesting watch. Although a much older system it's amazing how much of the design is the same as the P38. I've just finished going through the ICE system on my P38, 1x tweeter, 1x mid and 1x bass in each front door, 1x mid and 1x bass in each rear door and 1x twin speaker sub in the boot. Aside from having issues with the amp most of my sound problems were related to having seized bass speakers in the doors. The cones wouldn't move freely making the whole system sound thin. The foam speaker rings on both my sub speakers had also completely disintegrated too so i sourced replacement foam rings and rebuilt them. But the way the speakers are mounted in the L322, even down to the base speaker mounts, are almost identical.
Very cool! I may do a similar upgrade on my own P38 if I end up keeping it.
Remember that you don't want higher powered high end. Lows will need more power and less the higher up you go.
So what your looking for is a nice even decent from lows to highs
Any sudden peaks or troughs is what your trying to tackle.
To my eyes reducing that 800 slightly and brinig up that trough slightly will vastly improve
That dip is probably a crossover point
Interesting analysis. I always thought the mid-range was weak on the sound system in both the 3.6 and 4.4 TDV8. Hope your upgrade fixes that.
Started watching your content last week and hey man you're doing a good job. You mentioned DPF and EGR was deleted in your vehicle did you do it yourself or it was done for you?
As an L322 owner that has the "HD" logic 7, You should do a side by side comparison of each! It would help me know whether to upgrade what I have. Also i'm really looking forward to seeing your subwoofer upgrade as that's the weakest part of the system IMO. Thanks for making my L322 ownership so much more enjoyable!
I’d love to do that! The 7 HD has quite a few improvements over the standard logic 7 but the subwoofer is the same, so it probably seems even weaker in the HD system.
Thanks for watching 😎
Good work Sam. I’m still toying with replacing mine in the p38 after putting the Atoto s8 in. It will need a bit more work as I’d have to bypass the factory amps and put new crossovers in. Perhaps I’ll wait for you to do yours and see how you get on!
Not sure if this applies to your Range Rover but on Christian and Vera’ LR time channel he talks about oil and the different types used , some of which are different for older engines
Best systems I've had in cars... e92 M3 individual sound 850 watt. Bmw m4 Harmon Kardon. RS3 B&O. C63s BURMEISTER.
Agree with all the coments about mic placement as higher frequencies are very directional and easily absorbed by all the soft furnishings in the L322. Having said that though, it only matters if you are taking absolute measurements. If you are simply doing A/B comparisons, providing you keep the mic in the same location the comparison will be valid.
Presumably you are running the system with the Logic 7 surround setting switched off? In that mode I'm pretty sure the system doesn't use the centre speaker in the dash or the speakers in the rear pillars. It also messes with the stereo imagery in a way that doesn't always improve the experience, if you take my meaning 😉
The amp frequency response should be pretty flat so speakers and their installation will make the biggest difference.
Typically the subwoofer is a compromised affair in any estate type car but particularly poor in the L322. More a case of here's the shape it has to fit into, now how can we get an amp and speaker in there!? I'm very interested to see how it can be improved without filling the boot with an old wardrobe fitted with a couple of 18's! 😄
Cheers for the input! The tweeter height is actually at about the same height I had the microphone positioned, although they do fire upwards slightly. I also took some measurements from ear height and the difference in measured response was negligible, so I decided to use the easier position to measure from.
It was done with Logic 7 turned off as that’s how I tend to listen to music (vast majority of music is recorded in stereo, and I don’t find the surround adds anything really.)
This couldn’t be more apt. Not watched yet but I have been looking at Focal 6.5” replacements. Can’t wait to watch on….
The Focal kits are extremely nice - a little out of my budget for this project, but I would love to give them a listen!
@@SamsMotors I’m going to get a price on these Audison as well and if a good compromise, I might well be following in your footsteps. Great video, can’t wait for the sub woofer video. My kids love watching DVDs in the headrests of my Autobiography and the bass is tremendous at times (Boss Baby) just like being in a cinema but fear I’ve blown the fronts with too much Luke Combs 🤠 😂
Sam, where did you get your roof rack from please? Also is it standard fit into the roof threads or custom? Thanks
Thanks
Did you do anything with that poor AUX port DAC that is provided with the IDCORE system? The sound quality is poor when compared with the L322 factory installed sound system, even after playing with equaliser and phone volume. Not sure I'm up to replacing the speakers without a fix for this. Be good to know because that is the thing I dislike most about the IDCORE system. You were spot on in your review of the IDCORE system in pointing this out.
No, I haven't. As a workaround, I've been using my Invery iPod socket bluetooth adapter for music, which can still be done while the phone is connected wirelessly to the Carplay module. It works and gives good audio quality, but it shouldn't be a concern on a system that costs as much as it does.
Thanks for this video. Very informative. I need to replace the speaker in my door that is right next to the door handle. Is that one replaceable? Do you have the part number?
Sam, the Archers was on on a Sunday morning not afternoon 😁
Funny enough apk 165 see what speakers I'm looking at next for my golf. I've already got the apbx 8 inch passive sub
Amps are usually very linear. Those big leather seats may act as traps for a specific frequencies that with a less than ideal mic placement can cause a dips in the graph. I would not worry though, the human brain compensates very good for such frequency imperfections.
Hi Sam, thanks for the great video! What about the rear door's speakers? How to upgrade them as well? Shall I use another Audison kit witout installing the tweeters?
Hi Luca, the rear speakers are the same size. The rear doors also have tweeters behind the upper grills, so you could replace them with the Audison tweeters too if you wanted!
Alternatively if you just want to do the woofers, they are available separately for a lower price if you search for "Audison AP 6.5".
Hope that helps
Nice vid Sam, on a std Logic 7 without the fancy HD dooor cards, would you still only make the same changes as in this vid? or would you have changed the centre door card tweeter for a midrange? Cheers
You should do a video of how much you have spent so far on the beast Sam. Parts and accessories etc
Cheers for the idea! I’ve already done 2 “totting up” videos but I’m long overdue for another one.
Sam
@@SamsMotorsIts a bit selfish of me but I am seriously considering buying a 2012 Westminster and I am confident enough to do many of the jobs you do but its nice to know where you buy parts from etc and the cost.
I love mark levinson car audio in a Lexus
Hi Sam. Thank you so much for your very detailed and informative videos. Quick question - we have a 2009 RR Sport, and the drivers side treble speaker is loose from the door / window frame. As I pull it away a bit, I can see that the trim "button" / press-in anchor is broken. I don't know how to remove the treble speaker assembly to replace that one clip. Thinking you probably have some insight considering your speaker replacement experience. Do I have to remove the whole door card to remove the treble speaker housing assembly? Or is there simply a second button / press-in anchor lower in the assembly - such that I can pry / pull the assembly and get it away from the door pillar - to then change the broken "button" / press-in anchor? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Sam, did you do a DPF/ EGR delete? How much power is the engine making now after remapping?
Hey Sam, where did you get your roof rack? I'd love one like you have for my L322
3:50 I wonder if a 5/40 C1 grade would be a good compromise, thicker oil but still complicate for DPF emissions equipment. 🤷
It would be great, but alas it’s pretty impossible to find in that combination.
buddy, im still waiting on your delete and chip video!!!!
Hi Sam, when you did your baseline tests did you reset the built in EQ to a completely flat EQ curve?
Hi, I did, yes! Good point which I forgot to show in the video. -Sam
To be honest, as long as you didn’t change the EQ between the 2 sets of tests the results are technically equally as valid, but as you said, age takes its toll too
How do you have the audio balance set up on the IDCORE system ?? I had to max mine out to get any where near a listenable sound. Did IDCORE ever get around to doing a software update to cover that issue ?
I’m not using the IDCORE for audio any more - I’m using the Invery iPod/bluetooth adapter as it’s far higher quality due to the horrible DAC in the IDCORE unit. I don’t think they can solve it with a software update unfortunately.
Same audison APK165 kit should then also fit the rear doors, since the mids are in fact also tweeters?
I’ve not confirmed it but theoretically yes.
I just noticed you didn't use the crossover for the woofer. Is there any reasoning for that? I'm mounting my speakers with crossovers.
How is the sound deadening in the l322 ? Maybe some sound deadening would reduce the road noise even further ?
It’s pretty good but more always helps for audio!
Am ex Car audio tec, you need a parametric equalizer, but good luck integrating that into the range, so 😊😂
What audio system would a 2011 autobiography have?
Should have Logic 7 HD (1200W) I believe
@@SamsMotors oh nice
@SamsMotors is that a good system? I have a 2008 m3 with individual audio (850w) it's good but I find the newer 2014 system better quality but only 600 watt
I have no issues with my speakers, sounds perfect to me but I’m tone deaf 😂
Audio ? Why upgrade what is wrong with my AM radio and its speaker , sounds like a big waist of money
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Well it’s worked fine for me in the last 40 years and has been there since 1951 yes I had to replace the speaker in 1993 a rock into windscreen and rain but a new 6 inch speaker was easy to put in with no screen . I just can not see any reason to fix what works just because it’s new