Hello Joe, I have run my own shop for 20 plus years. I'm writing to tell you how much I admire the care you put into your videos, and the clarity with which you present your ideas and concepts. There are many people out there who will benefit from your efforts. Keep it up! Thanks.
Hey Joe, wanna' thank ya' for taking the time to post this up. For the six guys who give this video a 'thumbs down'... I'm guessing one or two may have been by accident; the rest were probably simply to keep machining videos from showing up in their TH-cam feed Because, the value of the content here is top notch. When you figure that shop time - any shop with trained personnel and decent equipment, anywhere in the US in 2020 - is damn hard to come by at $100/ hr, and that's based on the average guy in the average shop... not the highly experienced guy in the shop who can do the troubleshooting and tricky stuff... I've sat through a lot of lessons in the years that put a hell of a lot less value into a whole lot more time
Hi Joe, again a great lesson. And allow me this comment just because you have mentioned that you don't want this video to be boring: actually, beyond the importance of seeing the real details, I very much appreciate to see that some things simply take their time and that therefore I don't need to feel like I'm veeery sloooow when doing similar stuff. In fact, most of the time youtube folks show this kind of "boring" footage in quick motion only and basically reduce everything to a nice, shiny chipmaking show. Instead, not only you give us an idea on how long such a job can / must take (even when done by a seasoned Pro) but you also make very good use of the "boring" parts and give us extremely precious "bonus" advice while doing so. Thanks again for this and ... congrats for the 100K! Dan
Joe I’m one of those guys that will forget everything you tell me unless I know “why”. Your explanations and theory at the “board” are very helpful to me..
Right on Joe as always! Having worked in the automotive industry for many years, drills got the metal out, boring bars positioned the hole, and reamers gave you diameter and finish. Many people always wanted to skip a pass or two, with little success. When holes had to be deep, straight, and with a finish, gun drills were used, like on automatic transmission valve bodies. Gundrill geometry is very unique and contains parts of the three tools above, in one tool, but is not for the average machine shop. Gundrills require a hardened drill bushing to start the hole, high pressure coolant (~1000psi) to move the foil-like (
When I was in school I worked weekends and summers for a Master Tool & Die maker (friend of my father), and this was in the Mid-Late '70's. SO Much of what you cover reminds of "knowledge" I'd forgotten! Thanks for putting in the time and effort to share all the things that aren't in "The Machiney's Handbook" or anywhere else! I put in a good amount of hours on a Bridgeport, a Hardinge, and a big gap bed Graziano. Back then CNC was in it's infancy, so I never learned any basic programming, But I still get people who found out from 'This or That guy" that I have a tooled shop in my Garage--(although I've never "worked" as a machinist)...And it's nice to be able to find not only things I've forgotten, but SO much more! Very Generous of you to share--Huge Thanks!
Good content. I worked PT as a Tool & Die machinist (apprentice) while studying engineering. Appreciative of the patience & knowledge my mentors shared with me. With 40 years of Mfg / Construction experience behind me, it's great to see other pass-along great detailed work instructions such as this TH-cam video. Well done sir !!
That was one of the most useful engineering videos I have see. Thanks for taking the time to do this. A lot of people are benefiting from your efforts.
I really like people, who know what they're doing. I'm a precision mechanic myself. Best job in the world. Gives me smiles every day! Watching good machining videos never gets boring. Joe I would have watched you finish that hole in real time n all. Caus I get it! Thanks!
Joe, this had me glued to the chair. 45 minutes went by like it was 10 or less. I was just recently (like last night) wondering about "rifle drills" and such to get a good straight hole. Thanks!!
This isn't just solid gold. This is solid platinum knowledge. For such a simple thing you've provided us with so many hints and things to think about. A total winner of a video. Thanks so much for sharing your years of experience both in this and all your other videos. It really helps us hobbyists.
I really don't understand the square hole thing, but everything else was blowing my mind. The quick retract of the drill by using the carriage and tail stock was exceptional. Love it
Thanks, Joe. Always a few gems in each clip. I already (probably as a teenager) came up with using the carriage as a depth reference, but your later tip on a great way of quickly re-establishing the drilling depth after changing to a longer drill, by delaying locking the tailstock to the bed, I do now recall (thanks to you!) I used to do when I had smaller lathes, but I need to try on the big machines I now generally run. It's not enough to come up with these things intuitively, a real teacher will take careful note of such tricks in order to remember AND refine them, and even more importantly, to pass them on. "Paying it forward" is what got us to the top of the food chain, and you are a master of the art! Thanks again. You really are a treasure to this community of interest, and your generosity is truly admirable. PS: On my biggest lathe, your reminder might just give me the impetus I need to add air injection to make the tailstock move more easily. It's not huge, as 5MT tailstocks go, and does not have a gearbox, but it's a potential twisting strain on the back if I was to do a really deep hole. For instance, I have a 65mm diameter spade drill I made the 5MT holder and shank for which is 700mm long. Last time I used it, it took several hours to take to full depth! (I don't have high pressure coolant, just high volume flood, and of course there is no pilot hole, so I was clearing it every few mm). I don't have rapid on the carriage, either, otherwise it would be a no-brainer to use IT to push the tailstock back each time, once the depth started to amount to something. I would lash the tailstock to the carriage with cord, and if I did this, I could use a magnet under the front shear of the bed as an automatic moving depth indicator for stopping the forward motion of the carriage, similar to your original tip, to avoid headbutting the spade bit into the hole and risking making an indent to propagate chatter, which of course is the sworn enemy of spade drills. I use Allied bits, and I stick with HSS for durability and because they tolerate things like no high pressure coolant and (intermittent) chatter much better than carbide, and I highly recommend them for deep holes in these larger sizes.
Hey, Gottenhimfella, If you are interested in 'Deep Hole and Deeeeeep Trapanning' have a look at "David Wilks" you tube channel. That will blow your mind. Just a suggestion.
Wanted to add that my father (now 88) taught me that carriage bump technique when I was 10 years old, and I've used it all my life. What's new to me is the virtual creation of a precision, concentric guide bushing with the center drill, drill, bore, ream sequence you detailed here... fantastic! BTW, I used Anchor Lube years ago... a bottle was given to me by a sales guy for lubing rubber that was to be die-cut. It worked great for that, but I never knew it could be used as a cutting fluid...gotta go find some!
I went +.006 over at the top of the hole and +.002 at the bottom just this week I expected +.002 top and +.000 at the bottom. I didn't account concentricity of the drill grind or leave room for finish boring. Thanks Joe.
Thank you for this. I have had so many failures trying this. I especially appreciate the 'chalk talk'. I like knowing why things happen as well as how to fix it.
I have yet to buy my first hobby lathe for my newly developing interest in metal working. Approaching retirement from the electrical industry, you and other TH-cam creators in this field have made it interesting and educational, but more importantly understandable for the newcomers. Thanks for the great content. Keep up the amazing work for us still at the start line. Cheers Pete' from New Zealand.
Will definitely use the carriage stop method in the future. I have always hated the dialing in and out when drilling deeper holes. Another great shop tip and video!
I followed this procedure almost exactly. Missed the starting bore, over by about a thou. That didn't matter. Drilling with 31/64th pilot into 1.5 inch dia. 4130. Reaming every 1/4 to 1/2 inch with 0.4995 straight flute ream...old one, but sharp enough. Went a little over 6 inches and my precision ground stainless rod, 0.4990 slides perfectly, rotates perfectly as if it were a factory bearing. IT WORKS! I have not measured concentricity carefully, but when I flipped the part in my 4 jaw, the center was dead nuts. (And I'm not good with a 4-Jaw yet.) Go slow;y, clean the chips every time the flutes are full, and use lube. Tried Anchor Lube...interesting stuff but it obscures all visibility of the cutting tool surfaces. Not sure where I'll use it in the future, but I did not prefer it for this. It does a good job...just kinda weird.
Anchor lube is good for high friction applications, and I use it, but don't let it sit on your machine ways or carriage too long. Black stains are almost a given.
Great Video! As far as drilling tools are concerned you will get better tolerances from a drill with a less aggressive helical angle. The reason for this has to do with the center of the drill and the amount of material left in it to give rigidity. More twist= Less rigidity. there will always have to be a balance between rigidity and chip evacuation. Without TSC in a machine you will never be able to avoid that dilemma. Haas and Mitsubishi have great videos regarding this exact principle, plus the add benefits of Drill Coatings, and the roles that they play in drill selection for any given material to help with tolerances and chip evacuation. Also worth noting: tool tolerances are horrible (relatively speaking) if you can cut parts, you can cut tools. if you want to change the relief angle or distance on a drill, a tool cutter or tool grinder will give you so much more bang for your buck in the shop. DIY works every time for the trained professional.
Thank you for your time and effort. I'm here to learn machining from a true Master. I don't care if you call that guy a morphodite, troglodyte, hermaphrodite, transvestite, or some other word I can't spel. Joe you communicate wonderfully, I learn a lot from you. Thank you
Stopped here at the end of the white board lesson. That all makes perfect sense, and unless someone who knows the tricks shares them with you, you will continue to struggle. Joe is a machine shop genius. Anyone who says different is...well...less than genius. Now out to the shop floor to make it happen. Great stuff Joe. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would pay to work with you for a couple weeks or more. Worth it.
Joe I have been using your hole techniques now since this video came out, this stuff works great. No more wandering weeble worble lost target. I've changed my drill press operations too based on this lesson. Thanks from North Carolina. PS...I'm watching it again to see what I missed.
Great lesson Joe ! From a s/retired design engineer and former toolmaker. It just came to me that another great way to explain the deep hole drifting (to those who may not easily grasp) is how the oil and gas industry drill holes miles deep and at all sorts of angles into the ground and ocen beds(maybe?) Enjoy all of your tips and all the youtubers crafts people.
I may never get that precision into my holes, but I will definitely use the "bump the tailstock" part. What I like most with all of your technique videos is that you don't just explain what works, but also the theory behind it. A lot of people will tell you a good way of doing something "because this is what I've always done, and it works", but not actually explain (they may not know, or can't describe it).
@@joepie221 Absolutely. You're doing it right, keep on doing it that way! It may not suit everyone, but I think that goes for absolutely every thing in the world, that's why there are many kinds of motorcycles, beers, machine shops, youtube channels, etc. We may not agree on the type of beer (If I'm in Austin, I'll get myself a Shiner Bock! Not what I drink in England, as it's almost impossible to get), but I agree with your style of youtube channel! :)
Talk about fortuitous. Normally I don't drill long holes down the axis of parts, but I had to do it today so I could repair my tractor rather than wait for an ordered part. I made two 1/2" dia, 3" long holes that met in the center ... I didn't try gauge pins, but I could barely detect a little ridge where they met. Also I saved a lot of time with the "move the whole tailstock" idea. Thanks again.
Great subject for a video. Couldn't be more relevant to whats currently on my mind as I make shop furniture and safety equipment. As I have finally obtained a lathe and a small CNC mill to start learning with. Once again thanks for Sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
Always good, thanks. It is always good to hear and see someone from home. I lived in Austin 30 years then moved just outside to Pflugerville for about 20 years and how near Tulsa Ok.
Thanks Joe for the wonderfully clear explanation. I had to drill a 3mm hole through a 5mm rod 75mm long last weekend. Being really careful and working from both ends, I drilled undersized and reamed out to full size. Managed to get the hole straight enough to put a piece of 3mm drill rod through (which is what I required). But it was not as good as I would have liked. Particularly, I was surprised to find an oversize section at each opening. NOW at least I know why!!! This video is so full of tips and tricks I will have to watch it again. I had heard about sliding the tail stock before but not about using the cross slide as a stop! Tried it drilling a piece of brass and, of course, ran the drill bit into the bottom of the hole when sliding forward. As you said with horrible results. Too scared to try it again, I have spent many happy hours winding the tail stock back and forth ever since. My right arm thanks you...
Just did this procedure 1/8" hole, 4" deep in P20 all from one end because I wanted to have the confidence in the process when I can't do from both ends in the future. I had to skip the boring bar step because I didn't have one that small. When I got done I flipped it and chamfered the exit. Hole was dead on. Thanks.
Thank you so much Joe. I always used to blame my knackered 1950's lathe for not being able to drill straight holes. Your very clear presentation explains exactly where I have been going wrong.
Can’t remember the project just a few months ago but had a through hole come out way off center. Got it the second time by slowing down and changing drills but this would have ensured it. Great tip I’ll start using!
Thanks Joe. I've a 'back yard' business making a product involving a part with a 5" deep 9mm hole which has to be dead nuts. So much of this is going to save so much frustration & alcohol abuse...
I almost can't wait till I get my first lathe to see how much I have learned from you, I definitely don't have as much nervousness about it as I had when I started watching machine shop videos on youtube. I think you have the best channel for learning, Thank you so much Joe. 3 days late but I hope you had a Happy Birthday.
I know this is an old video but I'm JUST getting into lathe work and this video REALLY cleared up what can go wrong if I only use a drill bit (What I thought was the process) and how to drill all the way through, correctly, and keep it center. Thanks Joe, your "Class room" style videos really help me.
Very good info. I was failing often, resizing existing worn hole in part, by simply thinking drill would ‘find’ appropriate center and happily follow center of worn existing hole. Hahahaaaa…. Thank you Joe. You not only explained what was happening in my fails, you gave the solution. Because of you educating me, I now chose methods with tooling I have or make, to not fail job. Thank you. My jobs are 13” - 28” deep. If people don’t believe a drill can walk a hole out the side in that distance, I will laugh at them! Yes it will . Excellent explanation of what was happening with my work!
Using carriage to stop tail stock also excellent. I mount/ align tool on carriage instead of using tailstock. I lay a piece of metal on the ways to move carriage back to cutting position after retracting for chip clear out. When you’re doing 28” deep, mounting tooling on carriage is faster .
Also, on existing long through holes, I make 30” tool to go through existing hole. The use carriage to pull cutting tool through existing hole. Then use tooling for final hole.
Very helpful! Much food for thought. I am a beginner, but I have sort of used some of these ideas to some extent, but your video ties the different ideas together in a more coherent way. Thank you!😃
lol i use a mini lathe and if i ever need something to be really straight, i just get out my toolpost grinder and my diamond bits. it'll go straight eventually... excellent video! so scientific, and a great resource for learning about what's actually going on behind the curtain.
This is by far the best I've seen on this topic. Thanks for sharing your life-long experience with us. I am trying to drill 8.5" 3/4" C360 brass round bar for an oil manifold. I will see if I can do it with the tips you have offered here.
Been machining stuff for near 60 years and I learned a couple of things here. I watched because I'm about to build a 1:10 replica of the Constitutions 24 pound guns. Thanks Joe
Thirty years ago I had to drill holes 3/8" diameter 24" deep in 2024 aluminum that I was making into aerodynamic probes for the wind tunnel I was working in. I first made a plate wider than the lathe cross slide and notched it to straddle the cross slide then tapped it every half inch and made a steel dovetail block to fit my BXA Aloris tool block with an adjustment screw to fine adjust the height. I cranked the spindle out on the tailstock and with the cross slide ran the hole plate up against the side of the shaft to get it parallel. O aligned the stock on the hole plate with pins and clamps and used an edge finder to center the stock then center drilled and drilled with a stub drill, a standard length drill then a taper length drill which got me in about 6". Then I used a 24" long 3/8" drill that was made for drilling wood lamps that I had silver soldered a 6" extension on.I would drill a quarter inch deep and back out, I only had the one drill and didn't want to risk it breaking it. I didn't use the power feed I just cranked the longitudinal feedback and forth till I was at the proper depth to meet the cross hole that was predrilled. It worked for the two probes I had to make and then I had to make smaller probes that only had a 6" deep hole but it was 1/8" in 17-4 H900 and I broke one drill out of 5 try's, I needed 4 probes.Using the plate on the lathe as a holder for the stock worked great like a horizontal boring mill would have but I didn't have easy access to one so the lathe was great.
Double o Joe (00Jπ) hit's the mark once again!!! Brilliant marksmanship Joe, the drill math was a serious eye opener. Keep the teaching going, you're the best!
Excellent explanation on why the wander starts in the first place. Also really like the carriage bump trick, I can see that's a real time and effort saver. Another trick I found on the lathe if you don't have the stub length drills on hand is, even with a good pilot hole, stay out of the resonate frequency of the drill with the RPM. changing the RPM can have a surprising effect on the drills tendency to wander.
The best video on deep hole I have seen ! Your explanations are clear ! GREAT teacher !! Just use this technic for a 3" deep 1/8" diameter hole and it worked flawlessly ! I am working on a mini lathe: I would like to know how to proceed to drill a 1/2 inch hole .... 1/2" drill from the start OR 1/8, then 1/4, then 3/8 ... Thank you for your attention, from a subscriber.
If you leave too little material for a finish cut, you risk burning the edges off your drill. If you leave too much, you risk an oversize hole if the drill isn't ground correctly. Its going to be trial and error for different materials. What ever you come up with, just remember, a pilot drill is effective when it relieves the material equal to or greater than the web thickness on the next drill in line. I usually go for 1/3 of the hole size as my pilot on smaller holes.
Hi Joe, recently I make some small boring bar holders for my lathe and mill, but the HSS 1/4 rods were not smooth going all the way through. I redo them , and follow your procedure of drilling, boring, reaming, under my milling machine (hole needs to be eccentric), and now the HSS 1/4 diameter rods slide smoothly in over a distance of 60mm. Many thanks for the great explanation and video! It works excellent! And yes, be patient the entire procedure.
Sperry Sun developed a system called Slick Drill for drilling oil wells taking out the spiral typically seen in drilling. They designed a drill bit with a gauge reamer directly above the cutting structure. The reamer needed to be 1.5 times longer than the diameter of the bit. An 8 3/4" bit with the reamer built on was 16" long. Worked extremely well.
G'day Joe, as always a rippa vid. thanks. The information you share is great and muchly appreciated. I think the reason your vids are so well-liked is that you don't waffle on AND manage to explain all the factors relating to the job at hand. Keep it up. Appreciate the Aussie flag on your whiteboard :)
Timely video. I have a job coming in to make a 1" dia. barrel sleeve for a Dan Wesson .38 that will be approximately 7-1/2" long. I think I will forward this to the customer to illustrate what is involved. A little more than "all ya gotta do is...."! I have been doing rifle barrel relines for years and I use the boring bar technique at the beginning of each hole to support the piloted drill and reduce the bell mouth at the entry to a minimum. Thanks.
Once i had a guy with a imperial screw that needed to be made,i asked him if he has a time and he stayed next to me while i was cutting the thread on lathe.It took me 45min to cut it on a lathe(it was several screws fairly long).He never complained how its easy and fast and as you said "all you need to . . .".Imperial dies are rare to be found in my country and his catepillar used 1/2" bolts.He also never complained about price ether.
this is a great video! the theory was epecially useful and some good tips for drilling on the lathe. I would like to see your approach for the same process on a drilling machine? Lots to learn here and I have subscribed as videos of this quality are rare!
Hi SirJoe! Teach us and make a living out of it, while we learn and make a living out of it. A thousand THANKS sir. I am a self taught air gunsmith, accuracy and precision is key, measurement are very exacting. I couldn't wrapt up a day without applying a learning from your video.
Thanks for the demonstration. Great advice. Never thought that the starting hole using a boring tool would hinder bit wandering. I'm a big fan of using the center drill due to the short shank and the rigidity it benefits from.
Super stuff, Joe! I wish I'd seen this 2 years ago! Better late than never! Been doing the tailstock gem since I was a kid, but the beginning tutorial was the dope! Thanks for your time and sharing! You've got an old dog learning new tricks! 👍😎✌️
I proved the boring bar does true the hole this last week! !.25 hole thru 3 inch block of Al makin a collet block for a er32 extension....drill to 1 inch then bored 10-20 thou till close to 1.25 then snuck up on it with .002 passes to finish / extension fit like a glove/ bore was straight as an arrow!!!! Thanks Joe for the great teachin!!! Bill A Aspenforge
Great video Joe, ---- I never thought about the helix angle affecting the depth needed before the body of the bit to start guiding the cut. Also, great tip about the diamond pin, " Constrain somthing once, and do it well" or they will fight each other.. Pin 1 = location, but not rotation..... Pin 2= rotation.. It totally makes sense. Also nice tip about knocking the corners off a square pin, That's a lot eaiser to make that the rhombus shaped pin. My lathe is worn badly and I have taken to putting the HSS paritng tool in the tool post when center drilling. I clamp it up higher than the Centerline ( I don't have to change the height screw) . By gently resting the end of the paritng tool ( below the cutting lip) against the straight side of the center drill body, I get much better results. It sort of takes any run out from the worn tail stock /chuck/center drill assembly. Be well..
Adrian Davidson Believe it or not, this is inherently more accurate. Kudos. Although by not cutting on center you are introducing some Ill effects unless your bearings are worn to the point that you are accounting for material climb.
Once again, a very good description of a difficult process. I was taught a drill will make a hole with one more chord than the number of flutes. That is, a two flute drill will make a trichordal hole, a three flute drill will make a four “sided” hole and so on. Not sure if this tidbit of minutiae is important but I find it interesting.
They most certainly do exactly that, as I discovered to my chagrin while trying to drill a 20mm hole in a 12.7mm plate. The hole was so triangular that the matching 20mm rod wouldn't go through... Ultimately I had to bore the hole out on the lathe (thankfully the part was small enough to swing in my 4-jaw) and sleeve it to get it on-size, which is what I should have done in the first place (cutting corners never save you time).
I save lots of your videos to my "Favorites" list. I'm currently pursuing a degree in machine tool technology, and all the little pearls I've picked up from your videos have served me well in classes and in the shop. Thanks, Joe, and keep up the great content.
Thank you Joe! It took me a paying attention to the way you allowed the tailstock to kick out to avoid the drill grabbing. I'd love to see how to do this on the mill. Have a great weekend!
Great advice on drilling deep and straight. I was thinking of boring out a muzzle loading barrel to install a rifled insert (someone gave me the rifle with a pitted barrel) but was concerned about some of the problems that would be encountered. This demo was very enlightening. I'm re-thinking it now. Thanks!
It’s funny how expectations change over time. When the twist drill was invented in the latter 1800’s, the twist drill was considered to be the only drill that would drill a round, straight hole.
Using the carriage as a tailstock stop when drilling is genius. When using the toolpost to feed a drill you can lay a piece of steel (1,2, 3 block) on the bed ways as a visual reference to its last position in the hole. The carriage pushes it forward, marking your last depth position. Saw that on another site and thought I'd pass it on.
Thanks Joe - I picked up several good tips! I can't think of a better way than your videos to disseminate the considerable experience you've accumulated to the rest of the world (literally). Thanks to your videos as well as others on TH-cam, I have been able to learn machining well enough to hit the numbers needed to implement creations and repairs with good success :-)
WOW.... Deep Drilling in stainless steel with high speed Steel I'm impressed & I learn something. Joe I never get it when you are at your Board: that is just how my mind is wired. Just a few minutes of actual demonstration it made all the sense in the world. This is one I'm saving for future reference; I always thought that reamer would solve my problem of imperfection!!! I see that's Not The Case.
this is exactly what I was looking for.... I'll be doing it on a CNC mill though, so less tedious manual in and out... but he process and tooling is right on. Thanks for posting.
Hi Joe, do you know the old machinists trick when using a centre drill , have the flutes horizontal and push the drill chuck slightly sideways with the toolpost, it turns the centre drill into a centre drill shaped form tool boring bar, once any wobble is eliminated you can drill normally. Re old machinists trick, not sure if it is the machinist or the trick which is old, or whether it is both.🤔
Thanks for doing this video. I'm an amateur home shop machinist and I've always had this problem of the drill fucking off a few inches down the bore. Now I know how to fix it if that bore is critical. Usually when I'm drilling holes in a cylindrical part it's just to make a bushing, so I just drill as deep as I need then part it, then re-center drill, then drill, then part, and so on. It would be nice to be able to just drill it all the way through, or to make hollow shafting that runs true end to end, OD and ID.
Joe great stuff. I am drilling near 5 inch deep with DIA ranges of .200 to .400 in stainless 17-4 on a HAAS TL-2 cnc. I will adapting several of your methods.
please don't teach this for a living ugh.
Anyone care to educate this guy? I'll pin the comment.
@@joepie221 Just drop the first few minutes next time super scholar. Thanks
@@joepie221 Meaning if I want to take a nap. No doubt you have good info in there just started out weird is all. If you are insulted then I'm sorry.
I personally love Joe's videos!!
@@oneshot700 I liked this video. Took me back to reading Ptolemy in college talking about cords and conics.
Hello Joe,
I have run my own shop for 20 plus years. I'm writing to tell you how much I admire the care you put into your videos, and the clarity with which you present your ideas and concepts. There are many people out there who will benefit from your efforts. Keep it up! Thanks.
I really hope so. Thanks.
He got a haircut and shaved too.
Hey Joe, wanna' thank ya' for taking the time to post this up.
For the six guys who give this video a 'thumbs down'... I'm guessing one or two may have been by accident; the rest were probably simply to keep machining videos from showing up in their TH-cam feed
Because, the value of the content here is top notch.
When you figure that shop time - any shop with trained personnel and decent equipment, anywhere in the US in 2020 - is damn hard to come by at $100/ hr, and that's based on the average guy in the average shop... not the highly experienced guy in the shop who can do the troubleshooting and tricky stuff...
I've sat through a lot of lessons in the years that put a hell of a lot less value into a whole lot more time
Thanks for the comment. These do take some effort to deliver.
Hi Joe, again a great lesson. And allow me this comment just because you have mentioned that you don't want this video to be boring: actually, beyond the importance of seeing the real details, I very much appreciate to see that some things simply take their time and that therefore I don't need to feel like I'm veeery sloooow when doing similar stuff. In fact, most of the time youtube folks show this kind of "boring" footage in quick motion only and basically reduce everything to a nice, shiny chipmaking show. Instead, not only you give us an idea on how long such a job can / must take (even when done by a seasoned Pro) but you also make very good use of the "boring" parts and give us extremely precious "bonus" advice while doing so.
Thanks again for this and ... congrats for the 100K!
Dan
Thanks Dan.
Joe I’m one of those guys that will forget everything you tell me unless I know “why”. Your explanations and theory at the “board” are very helpful to me..
Right on Joe as always! Having worked in the automotive industry for many years, drills got the metal out, boring bars positioned the hole, and reamers gave you diameter and finish. Many people always wanted to skip a pass or two, with little success. When holes had to be deep, straight, and with a finish, gun drills were used, like on automatic transmission valve bodies. Gundrill geometry is very unique and contains parts of the three tools above, in one tool, but is not for the average machine shop. Gundrills require a hardened drill bushing to start the hole, high pressure coolant (~1000psi) to move the foil-like (
When I was in school I worked weekends and summers for a Master Tool & Die maker (friend of my father), and this was in the Mid-Late '70's. SO Much of what you cover reminds of "knowledge" I'd forgotten! Thanks for putting in the time and effort to share all the things that aren't in "The Machiney's Handbook" or anywhere else! I put in a good amount of hours on a Bridgeport, a Hardinge, and a big gap bed Graziano. Back then CNC was in it's infancy, so I never learned any basic programming, But I still get people who found out from 'This or That guy" that I have a tooled shop in my Garage--(although I've never "worked" as a machinist)...And it's nice to be able to find not only things I've forgotten, but SO much more!
Very Generous of you to share--Huge Thanks!
I appreciate the comment. thank you. I'm glad to be able to do this.
Good content. I worked PT as a Tool & Die machinist (apprentice) while studying engineering. Appreciative of the patience & knowledge my mentors shared with me. With 40 years of Mfg / Construction experience behind me, it's great to see other pass-along great detailed work instructions such as this TH-cam video. Well done sir !!
Thanks. I think its important to pass along good advice.
That was one of the most useful engineering videos I have see. Thanks for taking the time to do this. A lot of people are benefiting from your efforts.
Glad it was helpful!
I really like people, who know what they're doing. I'm a precision mechanic myself. Best job in the world. Gives me smiles every day!
Watching good machining videos never gets boring. Joe I would have watched you finish that hole in real time n all. Caus I get it!
Thanks!
Thanks for the comment.
Joe, this had me glued to the chair. 45 minutes went by like it was 10 or less. I was just recently (like last night) wondering about "rifle drills" and such to get a good straight hole. Thanks!!
This isn't just solid gold. This is solid platinum knowledge. For such a simple thing you've provided us with so many hints and things to think about. A total winner of a video. Thanks so much for sharing your years of experience both in this and all your other videos. It really helps us hobbyists.
Thank you. I've wanted to do this video for a long time. Glad you liked it.
I really don't understand the square hole thing, but everything else was blowing my mind. The quick retract of the drill by using the carriage and tail stock was exceptional. Love it
Glad you liked it!
You are an excellent teacher. This lesson is among your best. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us.
You're very welcome!
Thanks, Joe. Always a few gems in each clip. I already (probably as a teenager) came up with using the carriage as a depth reference, but your later tip on a great way of quickly re-establishing the drilling depth after changing to a longer drill, by delaying locking the tailstock to the bed, I do now recall (thanks to you!) I used to do when I had smaller lathes, but I need to try on the big machines I now generally run.
It's not enough to come up with these things intuitively, a real teacher will take careful note of such tricks in order to remember AND refine them, and even more importantly, to pass them on.
"Paying it forward" is what got us to the top of the food chain, and you are a master of the art! Thanks again. You really are a treasure to this community of interest, and your generosity is truly admirable.
PS:
On my biggest lathe, your reminder might just give me the impetus I need to add air injection to make the tailstock move more easily. It's not huge, as 5MT tailstocks go, and does not have a gearbox, but it's a potential twisting strain on the back if I was to do a really deep hole.
For instance, I have a 65mm diameter spade drill I made the 5MT holder and shank for which is 700mm long. Last time I used it, it took several hours to take to full depth!
(I don't have high pressure coolant, just high volume flood, and of course there is no pilot hole, so I was clearing it every few mm).
I don't have rapid on the carriage, either, otherwise it would be a no-brainer to use IT to push the tailstock back each time, once the depth started to amount to something. I would lash the tailstock to the carriage with cord, and if I did this, I could use a magnet under the front shear of the bed as an automatic moving depth indicator for stopping the forward motion of the carriage, similar to your original tip, to avoid headbutting the spade bit into the hole and risking making an indent to propagate chatter, which of course is the sworn enemy of spade drills.
I use Allied bits, and I stick with HSS for durability and because they tolerate things like no high pressure coolant and (intermittent) chatter much better than carbide, and I highly recommend them for deep holes in these larger sizes.
Hey, Gottenhimfella,
If you are interested in 'Deep Hole and Deeeeeep Trapanning' have a look at "David Wilks" you tube channel. That will blow your mind.
Just a suggestion.
I appreciate your comment. Thanks for taking the time.
This is the kind of experience that comes from years of dealing with daily issues and being successful.I really like the way you explain yourself😁
Thank you. I used to write technical manuals so I try to be aware of every important detail.
Just did this for a 3.8" deep 1/8" diameter hole and it worked flawlessly. Thanks Joe.
Thanks for the trust.
Wanted to add that my father (now 88) taught me that carriage bump technique when I was 10 years old, and I've used it all my life. What's new to me is the virtual creation of a precision, concentric guide bushing with the center drill, drill, bore, ream sequence you detailed here... fantastic! BTW, I used Anchor Lube years ago... a bottle was given to me by a sales guy for lubing rubber that was to be die-cut. It worked great for that, but I never knew it could be used as a cutting fluid...gotta go find some!
@joe Pie You are actually a very good teacher. You make things clear and concise and easy to understand. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I appreciate that!
After failing twice using conventional methods , tried this out and it worked a treat , thanks for sharing Joe !
So many subtle techniques were shared. Thanks for taking the time to share.
Glad it was helpful!
I went +.006 over at the top of the hole and +.002 at the bottom just this week I expected +.002 top and +.000 at the bottom. I didn't account concentricity of the drill grind or leave room for finish boring. Thanks Joe.
Thank you for this. I have had so many failures trying this. I especially appreciate the 'chalk talk'. I like knowing why things happen as well as how to fix it.
Me too. It helps the practical really sink in for me.
I have yet to buy my first hobby lathe for my newly developing interest in metal working. Approaching retirement from the electrical industry, you and other TH-cam creators in this field have made it interesting and educational, but more importantly understandable for the newcomers. Thanks for the great content. Keep up the amazing work for us still at the start line.
Cheers
Pete' from New Zealand.
I hope my material give you something to remember and improve on. Good luck.
Will definitely use the carriage stop method in the future. I have always hated the dialing in and out when drilling deeper holes. Another great shop tip and video!
You will like it. SOOOOO much faster.
Joe, this is one of the most useful segments you’ve done yet! I ate it up. Your years of experience show in the best of ways. Godspeed.
Thank you. I read your bio. God bless you for your strength and resolve. Stay well and enjoy every day.
I followed this procedure almost exactly. Missed the starting bore, over by about a thou. That didn't matter. Drilling with 31/64th pilot into 1.5 inch dia. 4130. Reaming every 1/4 to 1/2 inch with 0.4995 straight flute ream...old one, but sharp enough. Went a little over 6 inches and my precision ground stainless rod, 0.4990 slides perfectly, rotates perfectly as if it were a factory bearing. IT WORKS! I have not measured concentricity carefully, but when I flipped the part in my 4 jaw, the center was dead nuts. (And I'm not good with a 4-Jaw yet.)
Go slow;y, clean the chips every time the flutes are full, and use lube. Tried Anchor Lube...interesting stuff but it obscures all visibility of the cutting tool surfaces. Not sure where I'll use it in the future, but I did not prefer it for this. It does a good job...just kinda weird.
Anchor lube is good for high friction applications, and I use it, but don't let it sit on your machine ways or carriage too long. Black stains are almost a given.
I wish i had known this 40 years ago!!!!!! But never too late!!! thanks so much!!!!
Thanks for watching.
Great Video! As far as drilling tools are concerned you will get better tolerances from a drill with a less aggressive helical angle. The reason for this has to do with the center of the drill and the amount of material left in it to give rigidity. More twist= Less rigidity. there will always have to be a balance between rigidity and chip evacuation. Without TSC in a machine you will never be able to avoid that dilemma. Haas and Mitsubishi have great videos regarding this exact principle, plus the add benefits of Drill Coatings, and the roles that they play in drill selection for any given material to help with tolerances and chip evacuation. Also worth noting: tool tolerances are horrible (relatively speaking) if you can cut parts, you can cut tools. if you want to change the relief angle or distance on a drill, a tool cutter or tool grinder will give you so much more bang for your buck in the shop. DIY works every time for the trained professional.
Joe, I learned a lot from this video, and the demo on how to bump the carriage was worth the price of admission, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for your time and effort. I'm here to learn machining from a true Master. I don't care if you call that guy a morphodite, troglodyte, hermaphrodite, transvestite, or some other word I can't
spel. Joe you communicate wonderfully, I learn a lot from you.
Thank you
I appreciate the comment.
Priceless insights as always Joe, thank you for the knowledge sir..
Thanks for stopping by Del. Stay well.
Stopped here at the end of the white board lesson. That all makes perfect sense, and unless someone who knows the tricks shares them with you, you will continue to struggle. Joe is a machine shop genius. Anyone who says different is...well...less than genius. Now out to the shop floor to make it happen. Great stuff Joe. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would pay to work with you for a couple weeks or more. Worth it.
Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.
Joe I have been using your hole techniques now since this video came out, this stuff works great. No more wandering weeble worble lost target. I've changed my drill press operations too based on this lesson.
Thanks from North Carolina.
PS...I'm watching it again to see what I missed.
Great lesson Joe ! From a s/retired design engineer and former toolmaker. It just came to me that another great way to explain the deep hole drifting (to those who may not easily grasp) is how the oil and gas industry drill holes miles deep and at all sorts of angles into the ground and ocen beds(maybe?)
Enjoy all of your tips and all the youtubers crafts people.
I may never get that precision into my holes, but I will definitely use the "bump the tailstock" part. What I like most with all of your technique videos is that you don't just explain what works, but also the theory behind it. A lot of people will tell you a good way of doing something "because this is what I've always done, and it works", but not actually explain (they may not know, or can't describe it).
I've always found the how makes more sense if you know the why.
@@joepie221 Absolutely. You're doing it right, keep on doing it that way!
It may not suit everyone, but I think that goes for absolutely every thing in the world, that's why there are many kinds of motorcycles, beers, machine shops, youtube channels, etc. We may not agree on the type of beer (If I'm in Austin, I'll get myself a Shiner Bock! Not what I drink in England, as it's almost impossible to get), but I agree with your style of youtube channel! :)
An excellent tutorial, you've taught me the importance of he bored pilot step - my sincere thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A masterclass in efficiency, economy and patience. And how much easier it is with well maintained and understood machinery.
This works very well, just keep the oil under the tailstock and it glides like air.
Talk about fortuitous. Normally I don't drill long holes down the axis of parts, but I had to do it today so I could repair my tractor rather than wait for an ordered part. I made two 1/2" dia, 3" long holes that met in the center ... I didn't try gauge pins, but I could barely detect a little ridge where they met. Also I saved a lot of time with the "move the whole tailstock" idea. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching. Its a good technique to remember.
Great instructional video Joe.
Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great subject for a video. Couldn't be more relevant to whats currently on my mind as I make shop furniture and safety equipment. As I have finally obtained a lathe and a small CNC mill to start learning with. Once again thanks for Sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
Glad to do it. Thanks for being a subscriber. I wish everyone that commented was.
Always good, thanks. It is always good to hear and see someone from home. I lived in Austin 30 years then moved just outside to Pflugerville for about 20 years and how near Tulsa Ok.
Thanks Joe for the wonderfully clear explanation. I had to drill a 3mm hole through a 5mm rod 75mm long last weekend. Being really careful and working from both ends, I drilled undersized and reamed out to full size. Managed to get the hole straight enough to put a piece of 3mm drill rod through (which is what I required). But it was not as good as I would have liked. Particularly, I was surprised to find an oversize section at each opening. NOW at least I know why!!!
This video is so full of tips and tricks I will have to watch it again. I had heard about sliding the tail stock before but not about using the cross slide as a stop! Tried it drilling a piece of brass and, of course, ran the drill bit into the bottom of the hole when sliding forward. As you said with horrible results. Too scared to try it again, I have spent many happy hours winding the tail stock back and forth ever since. My right arm thanks you...
When the hole to OD ratio is that close, be careful not to constrict the drill with too much part pressure. I've seen them lock up and snap off.
@@joepie221 . Thanks for that tip Joe. I will keep it in mind.
Just did this procedure 1/8" hole, 4" deep in P20 all from one end because I wanted to have the confidence in the process when I can't do from both ends in the future. I had to skip the boring bar step because I didn't have one that small. When I got done I flipped it and chamfered the exit. Hole was dead on. Thanks.
Thank you so much Joe.
I always used to blame my knackered 1950's lathe for not being able to drill straight holes.
Your very clear presentation explains exactly where I have been going wrong.
Best of luck moving forward.
Can’t remember the project just a few months ago but had a through hole come out way off center. Got it the second time by slowing down and changing drills but this would have ensured it. Great tip I’ll start using!
impressive result and nice theory lesson.. enjoyed it, thanks for sharing. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Joe. I've a 'back yard' business making a product involving a part with a 5" deep 9mm hole which has to be dead nuts. So much of this is going to save so much frustration & alcohol abuse...
Save the alcohol abuse for the weekends.
I almost can't wait till I get my first lathe to see how much I have learned from you, I definitely don't have as much nervousness about it as I had when I started watching machine shop videos on youtube. I think you have the best channel for learning, Thank you so much Joe.
3 days late but I hope you had a Happy Birthday.
Actual date is the 19th. Thanks for the wish.
I know this is an old video but I'm JUST getting into lathe work and this video REALLY cleared up what can go wrong if I only use a drill bit (What I thought was the process) and how to drill all the way through, correctly, and keep it center. Thanks Joe, your "Class room" style videos really help me.
The information of "carriage bumping" is pure genius! I drill a lot of holes on the lathe, this will save me a TON of time! Much Appreciated!
Glad to help!
The information you give away for free is appreciated! Thanks Joe!
Pass it on.
Very good info. I was failing often, resizing existing worn hole in part, by simply thinking drill would ‘find’ appropriate center and happily follow center of worn existing hole. Hahahaaaa…. Thank you Joe. You not only explained what was happening in my fails, you gave the solution. Because of you educating me, I now chose methods with tooling I have or make, to not fail job. Thank you. My jobs are 13” - 28” deep. If people don’t believe a drill can walk a hole out the side in that distance, I will laugh at them! Yes it will . Excellent explanation of what was happening with my work!
Using carriage to stop tail stock also excellent. I mount/ align tool on carriage instead of using tailstock. I lay a piece of metal on the ways to move carriage back to cutting position after retracting for chip clear out. When you’re doing 28” deep, mounting tooling on carriage is faster .
Also, on existing long through holes, I make 30” tool to go through existing hole. The use carriage to pull cutting tool through existing hole. Then use tooling for final hole.
Very helpful! Much food for thought. I am a beginner, but I have sort of used some of these ideas to some extent, but your video ties the different ideas together in a more coherent way. Thank you!😃
lol i use a mini lathe and if i ever need something to be really straight, i just get out my toolpost grinder and my diamond bits. it'll go straight eventually...
excellent video! so scientific, and a great resource for learning about what's actually going on behind the curtain.
I have been looking for a detailed video on deep drilling for a very long time. Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
This is by far the best I've seen on this topic. Thanks for sharing your life-long experience with us. I am trying to drill 8.5" 3/4" C360 brass round bar for an oil manifold. I will see if I can do it with the tips you have offered here.
This should certainly help. Good luck.
Been machining stuff for near 60 years and I learned a couple of things here. I watched because I'm about to build a 1:10 replica of the Constitutions 24 pound guns. Thanks Joe
You might enjoy this. th-cam.com/video/Xgol2lcN37M/w-d-xo.html
Dear Joe, A pleasure to watch you at work. Just brilliant. God Bless.
Thank you
Thanks again Joe. Once again I learned something that I didn't even know that I didn't know! 👍😁
Great video Joe, I learned alot. Thanks
Thanks Joe, for sharing your knowledge.
Western Australia.
My pleasure!
Probably the best machining advice I've ever seen! Thanks Joe!
Thanks for that. It works.
Excellent instruction, Sir. Always a pleasure to learn from you.
Thanks. Glad to help.
Thirty years ago I had to drill holes 3/8" diameter 24" deep in 2024 aluminum that I was making into aerodynamic probes for the wind tunnel I was working in. I first made a plate wider than the lathe cross slide and notched it to straddle the cross slide then tapped it every half inch and made a steel dovetail block to fit my BXA Aloris tool block with an adjustment screw to fine adjust the height. I cranked the spindle out on the tailstock and with the cross slide ran the hole plate up against the side of the shaft to get it parallel. O aligned the stock on the hole plate with pins and clamps and used an edge finder to center the stock then center drilled and drilled with a stub drill, a standard length drill then a taper length drill which got me in about 6". Then I used a 24" long 3/8" drill that was made for drilling wood lamps that I had silver soldered a 6" extension on.I would drill a quarter inch deep and back out, I only had the one drill and didn't want to risk it breaking it. I didn't use the power feed I just cranked the longitudinal feedback and forth till I was at the proper depth to meet the cross hole that was predrilled. It worked for the two probes I had to make and then I had to make smaller probes that only had a 6" deep hole but it was 1/8" in 17-4 H900 and I broke one drill out of 5 try's, I needed 4 probes.Using the plate on the lathe as a holder for the stock worked great like a horizontal boring mill would have but I didn't have easy access to one so the lathe was great.
Double o Joe (00Jπ) hit's the mark once again!!!
Brilliant marksmanship Joe, the drill math was a serious eye opener. Keep the teaching going, you're the best!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great tips Joe. Thanks
Excellent explanation on why the wander starts in the first place. Also really like the carriage bump trick, I can see that's a real time and effort saver.
Another trick I found on the lathe if you don't have the stub length drills on hand is, even with a good pilot hole, stay out of the resonate frequency of the drill with the RPM. changing the RPM can have a surprising effect on the drills tendency to wander.
I don't go by the book. I have general speeds, but the tool will let you know where its happy. Try the bump trick. You'll like it.
@@joepie221 What's the bump trick?
The best video on deep hole I have seen ! Your explanations are clear ! GREAT teacher !! Just use this technic for a 3" deep 1/8" diameter hole and it worked flawlessly ! I am working on a mini lathe: I would like to know how to proceed to drill a 1/2 inch hole .... 1/2" drill from the start OR 1/8, then 1/4, then 3/8 ... Thank you for your attention, from a subscriber.
If you leave too little material for a finish cut, you risk burning the edges off your drill. If you leave too much, you risk an oversize hole if the drill isn't ground correctly. Its going to be trial and error for different materials. What ever you come up with, just remember, a pilot drill is effective when it relieves the material equal to or greater than the web thickness on the next drill in line. I usually go for 1/3 of the hole size as my pilot on smaller holes.
@@joepie221 Thank you for your time/answer.
Hi Joe, recently I make some small boring bar holders for my lathe and mill, but the HSS 1/4 rods were not smooth going all the way through. I redo them , and follow your procedure of drilling, boring, reaming, under my milling machine (hole needs to be eccentric), and now the HSS 1/4 diameter rods slide smoothly in over a distance of 60mm. Many thanks for the great explanation and video! It works excellent! And yes, be patient the entire procedure.
I appreciate the feedback.
Sperry Sun developed a system called Slick Drill for drilling oil wells taking out the spiral typically seen in drilling. They designed a drill bit with a gauge reamer directly above the cutting structure. The reamer needed to be 1.5 times longer than the diameter of the bit. An 8 3/4" bit with the reamer built on was 16" long. Worked extremely well.
Thanks 👍 I learned something about precision drilling holes.
G'day Joe, as always a rippa vid. thanks. The information you share is great and muchly appreciated. I think the reason your vids are so well-liked is that you don't waffle on AND manage to explain all the factors relating to the job at hand. Keep it up. Appreciate the Aussie flag on your whiteboard :)
Given to me by an Aussie.
Timely video. I have a job coming in to make a 1" dia. barrel sleeve for a Dan Wesson .38 that will be approximately 7-1/2" long. I think I will forward this to the customer to illustrate what is involved. A little more than "all ya gotta do is...."! I have been doing rifle barrel relines for years and I use the boring bar technique at the beginning of each hole to support the piloted drill and reduce the bell mouth at the entry to a minimum. Thanks.
Once i had a guy with a imperial screw that needed to be made,i asked him if he has a time and he stayed next to me while i was cutting the thread on lathe.It took me 45min to cut it on a lathe(it was several screws fairly long).He never complained how its easy and fast and as you said "all you need to . . .".Imperial dies are rare to be found in my country and his catepillar used 1/2" bolts.He also never complained about price ether.
this is a great video! the theory was epecially useful and some good tips for drilling on the lathe. I would like to see your approach for the same process on a drilling machine? Lots to learn here and I have subscribed as videos of this quality are rare!
Thanks and welcome aboard.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, it is much appreciated
Hi SirJoe!
Teach us and make a living out of it, while we learn and make a living out of it.
A thousand THANKS sir.
I am a self taught air gunsmith, accuracy and precision is key, measurement are very exacting. I couldn't wrapt up a day without applying a learning from your video.
Thats great to hear. Thanks for your trust.
Thanks for the demonstration. Great advice. Never thought that the starting hole using a boring tool would hinder bit wandering. I'm a big fan of using the center drill due to the short shank and the rigidity it benefits from.
Your knowledge is priceless sir!
I appreciate that!
Super stuff, Joe! I wish I'd seen this 2 years ago! Better late than never! Been doing the tailstock gem since I was a kid, but the beginning tutorial was the dope! Thanks for your time and sharing! You've got an old dog learning new tricks! 👍😎✌️
I proved the boring bar does true the hole this last week! !.25 hole thru 3 inch block of Al makin a collet block for a er32 extension....drill to 1 inch then bored 10-20 thou till close to 1.25 then snuck up on it with .002 passes to finish / extension fit like a glove/ bore was straight as an arrow!!!!
Thanks Joe for the great teachin!!!
Bill A
Aspenforge
It absolutely does.
Loved it. Nor more useless cranking of the tail stock . Thank you.
keep it oiled and the day goes well.
Great video Joe, ---- I never thought about the helix angle affecting the depth needed before the body of the bit to start guiding the cut. Also, great tip about the diamond pin, " Constrain somthing once, and do it well" or they will fight each other.. Pin 1 = location, but not rotation..... Pin 2= rotation.. It totally makes sense. Also nice tip about knocking the corners off a square pin, That's a lot eaiser to make that the rhombus shaped pin. My lathe is worn badly and I have taken to putting the HSS paritng tool in the tool post when center drilling. I clamp it up higher than the Centerline ( I don't have to change the height screw) . By gently resting the end of the paritng tool ( below the cutting lip) against the straight side of the center drill body, I get much better results. It sort of takes any run out from the worn tail stock /chuck/center drill assembly. Be well..
Adrian Davidson Believe it or not, this is inherently more accurate. Kudos. Although by not cutting on center you are introducing some Ill effects unless your bearings are worn to the point that you are accounting for material climb.
Once again, a very good description of a difficult process. I was taught a drill will make a hole with one more chord than the number of flutes. That is, a two flute drill will make a trichordal hole, a three flute drill will make a four “sided” hole and so on. Not sure if this tidbit of minutiae is important but I find it interesting.
That is very true. Frustrating at times, but true.
They most certainly do exactly that, as I discovered to my chagrin while trying to drill a 20mm hole in a 12.7mm plate. The hole was so triangular that the matching 20mm rod wouldn't go through... Ultimately I had to bore the hole out on the lathe (thankfully the part was small enough to swing in my 4-jaw) and sleeve it to get it on-size, which is what I should have done in the first place (cutting corners never save you time).
Popped up on watch list, glad it did. The carriage stop, I need to use that more often.
This works well, just keep the ways oiled.
Awesome video today and it answers some questions I have had. Questions like, "how did I screw that up?" Love your channel.
I save lots of your videos to my "Favorites" list. I'm currently pursuing a degree in machine tool technology, and all the little pearls I've picked up from your videos have served me well in classes and in the shop. Thanks, Joe, and keep up the great content.
Thanks. Glad to help.
Thank you Joe! It took me a paying attention to the way you allowed the tailstock to kick out to avoid the drill grabbing. I'd love to see how to do this on the mill. Have a great weekend!
basically the same, just plunge an end mill instead of boring it, and feed down by advancing the quill nut a little at a time.
Great advice on drilling deep and straight. I was thinking of boring out a muzzle loading barrel to install a rifled insert (someone gave me the rifle with a pitted barrel) but was concerned about some of the problems that would be encountered. This demo was very enlightening. I'm re-thinking it now. Thanks!
It’s funny how expectations change over time. When the twist drill was invented in the latter 1800’s, the twist drill was considered to be the only drill that would drill a round, straight hole.
Your channel is a gold mine Joe! 👍🇺🇸
Glad you enjoy it!
Using the carriage as a tailstock stop when drilling is genius. When using the toolpost to feed a drill you can lay a piece of steel (1,2, 3 block) on the bed ways as a visual reference to its last position in the hole. The carriage pushes it forward, marking your last depth position. Saw that on another site and thought I'd pass it on.
I like the 1-2-3 block idea. simple and fast.
Thanks for taking the time to film this Joe, was great to watch and a fantastic technique to have
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks Joe - I picked up several good tips! I can't think of a better way than your videos to disseminate the considerable experience you've accumulated to the rest of the world (literally). Thanks to your videos as well as others on TH-cam, I have been able to learn machining well enough to hit the numbers needed to implement creations and repairs with good success :-)
Thats the whole idea behind this channel. Thank you for the comment.. I'm glad my material helps.
WOW.... Deep Drilling in stainless steel with high speed Steel I'm impressed & I learn something.
Joe I never get it when you are at your Board: that is just how my mind is wired.
Just a few minutes of actual demonstration it made all the sense in the world.
This is one I'm saving for future reference; I always thought that reamer would solve my problem of imperfection!!! I see that's Not The Case.
I like to see things done, but I also like to know the 'why' of it. I get it.
this is exactly what I was looking for.... I'll be doing it on a CNC mill though, so less tedious manual in and out... but he process and tooling is right on. Thanks for posting.
Start tight, end right.
Hi Joe, do you know the old machinists trick when using a centre drill , have the flutes horizontal and push the drill chuck slightly sideways with the toolpost, it turns the centre drill into a centre drill shaped form tool boring bar, once any wobble is eliminated you can drill normally.
Re old machinists trick, not sure if it is the machinist or the trick which is old, or whether it is both.🤔
I learnt that one from a retired chap, in what used to be East Germany, just after the wall came down... Good and not new.
@@eastcoastandy2905 i think i first read about it in a book from the 50's or 60's just as relevant today as it was then.
Sounds legit. I'll have to try it when I get old.
@@joepie221 don't leave it too long, old age might catch even you, but maybe not.😊
@@joepie221 Practice now for the time when your maschines grow sloppy, don't wait till you're old!
Thanks for doing this video. I'm an amateur home shop machinist and I've always had this problem of the drill fucking off a few inches down the bore. Now I know how to fix it if that bore is critical. Usually when I'm drilling holes in a cylindrical part it's just to make a bushing, so I just drill as deep as I need then part it, then re-center drill, then drill, then part, and so on. It would be nice to be able to just drill it all the way through, or to make hollow shafting that runs true end to end, OD and ID.
Joe great stuff. I am drilling near 5 inch deep with DIA ranges of .200 to .400 in stainless 17-4 on a HAAS TL-2 cnc. I will adapting several of your methods.
17-4 is a big medical stainless. I have a lot of it here. Its actually very friendly to work with. Not like a 304L at all.
@@joepie221 It is those long stringy chips that I find challenging (fun) to work with. Especially in those deep small holes.
Another great video from Joe Pie... Good info and well presented. Very useful. Thanks.