Vollering HEARTBREAK after Controversial Van Vleuten Tactics | La Vuelta Femenina Stage 7 2023
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Vollering did exactly the same in last years Tour de France, when she attacked in the moment AvV had a puncture. That was the payback, no need to cry.
Don't take a leak if you want to stay with 'Miek.
🥁
Or be straight and play fair, as a role model should be. 😊
@@MrMatraivlike Tdff last year
@@MrMatraiv yes you are not allowed to attack when your opponent is in physical discomfort only when she has a mechanical breakdown.
Like last year tdff where the whole SDW pull up front when yellow jersey AVV have mech and need to change bike! I am sure you call that fair play!! @@MrMatraiv
this patrick guy should start a podcast
what if he got a pcm guy to do it with him?
@@scottc8351 I wish this PCM guy would still do some PCM stuff, maybe the most decisive Giro stages? ;)
Ya I agree, but he would need a co-host
He’s too much of a Broe
@@chrisko6439 nah mate, i heard this PCM guy is a hotshot now. he stopped playing video games and moved out from his mums basement.
The first year the Vuelta femminina felt like a real Vuelta, mystical mountain stages finishing in thick fog and epic battles for seconds
“Pee Gate” “ya snooze, you lose”
I am here for this incredible coverage.
That is racing. Attacks at the feed zone, people slowing down the pace at the front to help a teammate in the break and no one is waiting if you get a flat. Too bad, so sad.
the Rassmussen on bidon-watch was also a nice adition 🤣
yeah, it's briliant
Can someone please explain this pee expression? Did vollegring stop to take a pee? Why lantern says van vleuten did controversial tactics? English is not my first language
@@lobomalsano pee = wee = toilet break.
Fair play to Vollering. She absolutely drilled that ascent, put the entire group to the sword. The way she sent the final downhill into the fog towards the end of the final climb was insane bravery - it was all on the line. She's taken a huge step regardless of final results
Agree. Strongest rider in the entire Vuelta BOOM
Indeed its a shame that she mainly lost due to a tactical blunder rather than raw cycling talent, but that tactical element is what makes bike racing so fascinating imo. Demi’s had a great Spring and has many more wins ahead…same as for Realini. Could be best season ever for women’s racing, with so many from the youngest to the oldest being highly competitive.
@@hisdadjames4876 Tactics are a part of the game too. Peeing on a part of the course which is ideal for Van Vleuten to place an attack is a bad moment. The team also did not very well in organising the pursuit.
@@hisdadjames4876 Yes i agree,
Annemiek and Marianne have dominated womens cycling for over an decade.
It's great to see new talents finally capable of taking over. That we can see the incoming talents clash with the outgoing champions is a pleasure to watch.
@@wilsistermans1118 i don't understand everything but normaly at least in TDF when yellow jersey want to pee (or other leader) they talk in the l=peloton and everyone agree to not attack. It's just sportmanship so maybe there is no such thing in feminine cycling.
This was one of the best stage races of the year period. So much drama!
I have to say, the women's Peloton straight omitting the concept of break aways or team tactics after 50km to go, and instead having the leaders shredding crosswinds every second day is just the best. And the stages are short enough that these gaps actually stick sometimes. The whole season already, no matter the profile, whenever you turn on the TV, some crazy multi-group-chase is going down. In general way less predictable than the men's Peloton most days.
Girls riding on periods should not be sport.
The only thing better was the next stage.
Drama = best? What is this, an american reality show? 😂
In case anyone thinks its dirty to pace after a pee break, go back and watch Vollering and SD works pace while AVV was chasing to get back on after a bike change in stage 8 of TDFF. If there are unwritten rules then thats a worse breach of them.
Volering is a cry baby..
Stage 8 where there was already a breakaway group and the race was well on and playing for?
Quite a bit different than what happened here. Movistar playing dumb and "it was preplanned" is par for Movistar.
@@eto2352 have u heard of crosswinds or echelons? that's what every cycling fans jerk off too. peeing before crosswinds...
@@dsdf_fdp1858 Actually, it turned out that when Movistar started pacing there was a headwind, so it wasn't a good situation for echelons...!
But these are the men's unwritten rules, as women's cycling continues to develop I can imagine they'll establish their own set and it may well be much nastier and exciting racing because of it
So she waited for a teammate with a mechanical. I have heard of not attacking the race leader with a mechanical, but there's no way you can expect the peloton to wait because someone in the leader's team has a mechanical. That's ridiculous.
yeah that didn't make sense at all
Reminds me of Froome's fake pee break to allow his teammates to catch up and support him. The peloton should not have waited.
"So she waited for a teammate with a mechanical" Said who? She said a team mate had a mechanical, not that she waited for it. I guess sometimes things get mixed up in translation.
No she did not, this is the way bs spreads
Realini is a good example why the UCI weight limit should be lowered, at least for tiny riders. She is 40kg. Her 540W peak is actually 13.5W/kg, but obviously having to ride a bike that weighs more than 15% of yourself will slow everyone down.
If her power readings on strava and her weight on PCS are accurate, she is a climbing monster, doing 5.65W/kg for 40min at the age of 21. Get her a bike that weighs 2kg less!
If she hadn't lost time in the cross winds of stage 3, should would have won GC. She lost 2:41 that day, the same amount by which she lost GC.
It’s her too-high aero socks!
She's a beast, going to be a problem in the coming years, reminds me of Emma Pooley, absurd power from that tiny frame, could be a huge problem on any mountain stage.
@@kristianmickelsonYeah, but that's exactly the weakness of light climbers...
@@pjanssen2903 hahaha. "if only that excellent rouleur was a bit lighter. She would be a great climber!" - yes. And if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.
Man AVV has the heart of a lion !
The grand tours for women should be longer! Atleast 10 stages with an ITT and more punchy finishes. This was a great race. Gutted for Reijanne Markus missing the podium!
And just longer races, Paris Roubaix starts nowhere near Paris, and Liege Bastenaken Liege is actually just Bastenaken Liege.
SD should have found 10 seconds somewhere in yesterday's stage.
Totally agree, huge tactical errors from them yesterday - not just the stop, but throughout the whole stage.
Thiw team didn't seem very good, really, which surprised me. No help for Vollering in the event's last two mountain stages--well, no help on the decisive climbs; not an SD Worx rider to be seen. Do they not have any climbers. Had they had someone to push pace when they hit the last big climb today, Vollering would have won it--but Vollering is a one-woman band. Reusser did a good job in the break today-- but what was the point? To make Movistar chase--but other teams did as much chasing as Movistar--and in the end Ruesser couldn't help Vollering.
AvV is an absolute beast to ride into pain barriers like that was a great display of an athlete
I think the circumstances definitely made for a very exciting final stage. Demi Vollering gave it everything and just came up short. Imagine how good Realini will be in a few years. Can not wait for the TDF Femmes. Add a full strength Trek and FDJ, it’s going to be fantastic.
That was brilliant racing....Bravo !!
Vollering needs to grow up.....she picked out a terrible moment to go for a bathroom break....and Van Vleuten had a score to settle from last year's TDF....
There's no crying in cycling 😆
No digas tontadas.
I'd probably cry as well. She just gave everything she had, and it's a very dramatic conclusion.
@@smeetsnoud1 and that's why u watch womens cycling.
@@sudsehun76 Don't watch if you're not a fan of womens cycling. 🤦♀
Always looking forward to these videos. Just the best summaries and analysis.
I have never been so excited watching the coverage of this race. It was thrilling; one never knew if the lead was enough. Reminds me of Cassius Clay Joe Frasier fights. Just riveting.
@@dsdf_fdp1858 cassius takes the piss before during and after the fight. cassius even took the piss at US enlistment. if cassius raced today, he would fly like a butterfly and sting like a bee. AVV would have no chance.
This race was just incredible. Demi Vollering is a beast. I couldn't understand why AVV called for the team car late in the race when she had already passed the 10K mark but I'm still pretty new to cycling so i figured she was just trying to get mentally fired up. These three ladies are such warriors!!! Great analysis as always, LR! Cheers from New York City.
Hard to say since we can’t ever see it, but given that Jumbo say they also drove it and also Trek were claimed to have been driving it… either they all hate SD Worx that much or it wasn’t as innocent as they say. Don’t like the idea that you have to just afford all the grace to the race leader as possible. You can’t neutralize dangerous sections at will. They goofed and Movistar didn’t and that’s the difference.
Ofcource they "drove it" ...that's racing , there should have been an organised chase ...there wasn't ! .
Agree. It’s a mistake from the teamleaders in the cars. Most teams admitted they knew that crosswind section was to come close, movistar (and jumbo and…) went to the side, drove around the corner etc. Rest is history. Bad planned pee-break. And in tdff sd drove off when van vleuten had a mechanical, so it’s not that their so innocent..
Gaia is one of the most remarkable riders in cycling
Yeah its remarkable that she couldn’t drop Vollering and got beat in the sprint.
@@jonoharper4729 She's 21... Knocking up against the world top. Not sitting in the wheel would just be dumb.
@@jonoharper4729 She pulled though?
@@jonoharper4729 😂😂😂😂
fully agree with you on the tactics of SD-Works, great assessment. If you have two riders both capable of podium, but the stronger one is losing the general, the other sacrifices all to place the stronger one into a position for victory. This was SD-Works' job to chase on the penultimate stage, and, after all, it was 40k Annemiek van Vleuten separated front her team in front (30k of those with her being the only one pulling). They had a chance to chase down Annemiek van Vleuten but she showed her 'metal' on that ride. We should add, it almost cost her the race on the final stage in where she had to pay for that previous day's effort.
Realini is a superstar in the making! Also great rides from Muzic & Bauernfeind, they aren't far off being able to compete with the likes of Vollering in the mountains either. Brilliant week of racing, though the drama maybe overshadows AVV's win a bit so it doesn't really feel like she has made a comeback after her poor spring.
SD Works Team tactics was a mess on both stages
Great last two stages. I still wish some outlet had seen fit to show the Stage 6 photo they all kept going on about.
No point trying to take charge of other teams, Demi, when your own team can't get its doo-doo together. Racing is racing. We see exceptional "kindness" toward an opponent sometimes, but when it's absent that doesn't equal poor sportsmanship.
Vollering was a bit of a sore loser here. Given the way her season is going she has nothing to be upset abaout. She got outplayed by a very experienced rider in AVV.
Seems like a break out year for Realini, at least for me, a name I hadn't heard prior to this year to tearing it up with the usual suspects. Cool to see a pure climber these days when it seems like the all-rounders are taking over.
There is the possibility that it was controversial tactics by SDWorx to try and neutralise a risky stage in crosswinds by stopping for a break just before the windy part of the course. Did they really need to stop on a fast 100km stage at all?
A great edition of The La Vuelta Femenina. Women's World is super hot and is going from strength to strength.
If this is what Realini can do at 22 y.o., I'm excited to see what the next 5-10 years of grand tours might look like!
When you on so much nullarbor white you dont notice you got 2 bottles on the bike up the last climb lol.
Marathoners let it run down the leg.
Yes Ironman style have a bottle of water bit of a clean up no probs
Nature’s call adds an interesting tactical twist to women’s racing. All part of the game.
Great tactic
This was one of the best ladys stage race's I have seen in 2 years!!
Last year Demi atact after Annemiek flattet.what goes around coms around.
This was great!!!
A nice build up towards the TdFF.
Would be really interesting to see Realini with short cranks. Like 150mm or even 135mm.
She also needs a handlebar about 10 cm narrower. And they are commercially available, but perhaps not from their sponsor.
Gracias gracias por este reportaje tan bueno. Esta es la primera vez que he seguido ciclismo femenino y soy fan!!
So Dutch television had some interesting answers to Pee Gate. Not only Movistar, but also other teams had marked the section, where Movistar attack Vollering, as important to be alert. The Jumbo Visma riders actually asked the team if they could go for a Pee break, team car said no. So definetely a mistake by Demi and SD-Works, still little bit bad form by movistar, but understandable.
Nothing bad about it, it was very well known by all teams that this section of the race could have cross winds. So it was just a terrible moment to have a pee break. And on top of that it was a great payback moment for last year in the Tour Feminin when SD works did level up the pace when AVV did have a mechanical problem.
Vollering is known for her dirty tricks, and therefore not loved in the ladies peloton. Other teams were happy to help Movistar put Vollering further behind. I guess that it says enough about Vollerings popularity ?
Cry baby Vollering should take a good look in the mirror and just realize that this is karma for what she has done to others in a not so fair way, instead of always crying in front of the camera.
It was beautiful to watch ❣
@@swissbiggy Not just TDFF last year but also Omloop. DV sucking AVV wheel instead of working. SD Worx seem happy to use these tactics but moan when someone does it to them.
After last year stage 8 on TDF, SD should/need to keep their mouth shut!
this was a great bike race, all 7 days, loved it. gj ladies!
Should have put the bidon(s) in their jersey pockets. That way their bike would be lighter up the steep climbs
Genius
or one of those drinking helmets.
Brilliant race and great coverage by the rouge dog yet again! woof woof
Not sure what was so controversial about planning to attack and do it? What is controversial to me is why you go on a pee-break with your whole team? And why did Anna (van der Breggen) not know about the possible cross winds? Seems to me somebody did not do their homework. Well you loose, you learn. Kind of silly to put it on the other team. I think Annemiek had a severe case of "Why does this feel so hard?! I must have a slowly decompressing real tire.". I remember myself stopping and looking if my break was rubbing the rim once.
Or maybe they did their homework properly and tried to apply the good old dirty tactics of calling a pee-break just before the crosswind area to cancel the attack.
Except this time nobody fell for it.
@@christianbarnay2499I am agree with you
This was better than the last bunch of Men's races. Nothing like the fireworks we saw today in the fog. Excellent Race!!!
Niamh is pronounced NEEV (or NEE-av). Great recap!
Very entertaining race. Glad that the UCI moved it to before the start of the men's Giro so that the Ladies could get the attention they deserve.
women wanting attention. now thats something new.
@@sudsehun76tell your mummy first
@@Karincl7 i'm just abt finished telling urs. but her mouth's busy at the moment.
did it look like Realini crossed the finish in the small ring? a shifter problem could explain getting gapped on the descent near the finish...
check the line realini took. she was more cautious and less aggressive.
Van Vleuten was having what is termed an "imaginary rear flat" issue
Or she rode tubeless and lost some air/tyre pressure while the small hole was closed by the tubeless milk. Which explains also that it was harder for her to keep up.
I hope Van Vleuten has a strong bladder because the SD-Worx team will never let her take a nature break in a race again 🥴🤣
I hope SD-Worx team will never have a flat tire or mechanical problem after stage 8 of last year tdf
U reap what u sow vollering.
Pleased avv won. She always pulls. She always takes on the responsibility of her status. vollering still has a lot to learn
it was an incredible race.
Good to see some old school fog cycling for a change, but watching huge riders flying past smaller riders up those mountains just makes it highly suspicious.
This isn't the first time SDWorx makes such mistakes and after seeing that documentary on SDWorx in the first Tour de France Femmes... Nothing but respect for Anna Van der Breggen, but that sports manager Danny Stam often seems to be clueless when a decision has to be made. And Vollering still needs a cool and decisive team lead. It's definitely not talent that's lacking among their riders, but they keep losing races they should win.
What do you mean? They stop to pee. And movistar attacked then. How can you avoid that?
@@MrMatraiv Did you watch the video. They didn't pull after that while Annemiek was in TT mode flying at the end.
@@MrMatraivUm, you avoid it by not stopping for a piss while leading a grand tour, on the second to last day, in a stage that's only 106km long! That's a Cat 4 road race distance, wtf are you stopping to pee for? Either hold it or just ride at the back and piss yourself, it's not worth the risk of giving that gap. Countless weekend warriors make it through races that length or longer while holding it in, so as not to lose contact. No excuse as a pro leading a race. That's not even to mention the abysmal job her team did trying g to bring her back.
Thank God you posted... for a while there I thought I might have to suffer Rob Hatch butchering pronunciations on GCN!
Van Vleuten has clearly explained they were already planning to attack on the open flat part, so it was just a weird moment to stop for a break.. I believe that, not really controversial imo
Serious drama over these two stages. Team tactics, mythical climbs and a nail biting finish! Absolutely amazing race. Epic recap aswell LR
Big tactical mistake of the race was trek in the crosswinds, really wanted some thought on that. Dropping back for spratt seems like it provided no advantage for the team. Not winning the team classification, not putting a second rider into the top ten. Race entirely saved by Realini and luck on how other teams raced. Needs a podcast conversation
i feel like vollering could have dropped avv at 10k to go if she would have looked behind and saw the gap she had. if she just would have established the gap by a couple of seconds earlier she would have won the gc.
newsflash, vollering never dropped AVV. it was the pocket rocket that made AVV squeal. had it not been for realini, AVV would have 4 more bonus seconds on stage 6 and vollering would've never dropped AVV until the final ramp to the finish line and still AVV would've won by over a minute.
I think vollering was already at max without risking a bonk. she road both of them off, it was awesome just not quite enough, but who knows, you could be right, and in retrospect what she did do didn't work, tho so so close. great race.
Woulda coulda shoulda
Great analysis, thanks!
Amazing commentary. I learn something about racing everytime.
What a great analysis (I bet most comments to your videos start like that 🙂) !
wait why'd she wait for her teammate's mechanical? it's a pro race not a cafe ride
Imagine how good AVV would be if she just dropped her saddle to a normal height
It´s so ridiculous, like she´s 40, her bike fit seems super weird and let´s be honest, her handling skills aren´t above average either. just look how she throws her poor bike around when standing up. Yet she consistently obliterates the entire competition. Really scary to think how much more potential performance gains she could have had in her career.
She has two of the most important indicators of too high of a saddle. Her hips rock noticeably and she points her toes. By contrast, look at Vollering. That’s how it’s done. Then again, bike fit is weird and every rider is different. Hard to argue with all the years and results with that bike fit…. Would be interesting to hear how their technical people see the issue.
@Tom E Yeah, I rode my bike with the saddle height 3mm to high, and it caused many hip and ankle issues. Too high is worse than a little too low 😅
Where is the Canadian woman?
@@royanderson3478 3mm? That’s not much at all. I see saddles several centimeters high all the time. If you had said 3 cm I’d say, sure, lots of these riding around. Also, BTW, you see saddle sores on one or the other side, usually the left side, due to reaching too far on one side. It’s an almost sure sign of seat too high. In any case, if you’re in the general area of correct, as you say a bit low is better than high. Bike fit is so difficult, so many variables. For instance, if you moved AVV’s cleat position back and seat down, she might not have such a pronounced toe-down riding style. But regardless, when you make a change, it takes TIME and MILES to transition adequately. It doesn’t always just feel good right away. Most riders, approximately 80%, are quite position-sensitive. I absolutely love meeting the other people-the 20%. You can move them all around and they hardly notice and just ride. They still benefit from a good bike fit but are almost hilariously resistant to ill effects!
Great stage, Vollering was so strong. I felt for her not getting the GC, but that's cycling. Super happy for AVV to get this in her final year
Wasn't last year supposed to be her final year? That's what I recall people talking about last year.
@@silasrobertshaw8122 Nope. This is supposed to be her final year.
@@silasrobertshaw8122 I thought last year she said that this year was going to be her last
@@silasrobertshaw8122 go back to sleep Silas
AVV bike technique reminds me of Froome, looks so weird
Froome generally rode at a high cadence on the climbs. AVV prefers a very low cadence on the high gradients. Perhaps the elbows out style is what they sometimes have in common.
more like Hugh Carthy
I'd take looking weird on the bike if I could ride like that
@@baza210 fighting the bike
Realini is starting to become my favorite cyclist. The definition of "great things come in small packages"
Watched today just for Realini. She got caught out by the little 3rd dip on that climb. Wonder if she just had the belief to go for it with 2km to go she would have dropped Vollering?
Best mountain stage for women ever. How much time did Realini loose in the crosswinds stage?
Realini (and Dygert) are our only hope to break a Vollering grand tour dominance in the next 5 years.
Great video mate, genuinely impressed
No pee break on a 100km race! The Movistar plan was writted from the weather report before the race, what else?
I think Avv had gear issues like she couldn't shift high enough in the bigger/lighter gear in the real.
Doubtful. She always chooses a big gear/low cadence/bike wrestling style on the high gradients, but it has always worked for her.
thanks for sharing
Muzic and Labous the Bardet and Pinot of french women’s cycling? Was hoping they’d step up this year
Can you do recaps of the giro stages too
Peegate? Seriously? 🙂 What an amazingly entertaining racing!
A cracking race all week long.
Beautiful, scintillating drama
This is what sport is about!
One MAJOR takeaway is that Evita Muzic should be the team leader for FDJ. Marta Cavalli is good, but not this year. If Muzic was able to ride for herself in the earlier stages, I think she could have been more on the contention for a podium spot.
Solid, consistent Top 7 finishes. 4, 7, and 4 in the last 3 stages. That's awesome. Wasn't going to beat Realini, but she easily could have moved up to 4th on GC
Is she a better bet than Uttrup Ludwig?
A great end to the tour!
Van Vleuten...the Iron Lady...and what a beautifull stage win of that Italian prideless mouse...Voltering time will come for sure...what a Vuelta...
Great analysis. Big botch by SD Worx for sure.
I came here for the bidon watch. Wasn’t disappointed 👍
I often wonder how long I could keep up with these gladiators. Up the hill, I would be lucky if I could keep that pace for 30 seconds. They do it for hours. So much respect.
Stage 6 was a mess all over the place. I just thought what the fuck happened when I turned on GCN and then SDW tactics were so bad. It seemed a bit like Reusser was riding for her own.
I don't know what the issue was with AvV bike, but the measures were odly wrong! When she is sitting, she needs to fully extend her legs to pedal and even then her feet is still elevated! That was very strange, particularlly when contrasted with the other two riders.
Great race and great coverage. Vollering is an absolute machine to climb like that, especially against a dwarf like Realini. Shame that SD Worx couldn't figure it out yesterday.
A dwarf like Realini 😂😂😂😂😂
In hindsight it might have been better for Demi not to pace so much and use one big push on the steepest part. What Realini did.
can someone explainin simple terms why there was Controversy?
Great vid man
Hmm🤔Some peeple take out 'pee' from sp'ee'd, which left with sd --->> Slowed Down
Je kunt je ook afvragen waarom een deel van het peloton ineens een plaspauze nodig heeft voor een stuk waarvan je zou kunnen weten dat daar waaiers gevormd zouden kunnen worden. Ik geef de aanvallers gelijk dat ze de benen niet stil hebben gehouden.
Todays stage was crazy. If that climb was another 1 km longer Vollering would have won gc.
And if Vollering would have had wheels she would be a bicycle
movistar vuelta (men's) 2019 do you remember?
That's what I was thinking. But in that case the commissars basically shut down the move. Here they used two barrages to help the home team win. Conspiracy theory, I know!
LR?
Have I been under a rock or has the sock height rule been thrown out the window?
Riolini seemed to have massively long socks. Am I missing something? Isn’t is the UCI rule mid calf?
Those are normal socks, she’s just that small…kidding aside I was wondering the same thing
Bandage on left leg
All this great racing and all you can concentrate on is sock length? What a sap.
You won'd predict the result till the end regardless, that is the best part of this event.
Realini is my rider. Just amazing
Realini with the Mollema moment
The UCI broke my brain. The only thing I could think of during the final climb is “Damn Realini’s socks are reaaal long, someone should check that.”
That's gauze for an injury, not socks
It makes no difference at all so why are all you saps so obsessed with this?
Outstanding finale to a great Vuelta Feminina. TDF Femmes Avec Zwift has a lot to live up to. Great to see 70K+ views on this. @Vuelta- give @LR some love!
Women's cycling delivering the goods!
for a change.