@@danieldesjardins4074 If you need that clarified, then you must have only been watching MSNBC for the last twenty years. Affirmative action denies entry to hard-working and deserving students (often Asian or White) in order to fill quotas based on the color of one's skin. It's racism, hence it's unconstitutional. That's really all you need to know, and all this rhetoric about packing the supreme court (with more liberals, obviously) and talk of the supreme court being "far-right extremist" is asinine. Racism is unconstitutional, and deserving black students ARE admitted if and when their academic performance meets the necessarily harsh entry standards at these universities. Maybe we should be looking at how Democrat policies destroyed the family structure in black neighbourhoods and caused generations of young black kids to grow up without fathers, surrounded by violence and gang culture. Democrat cities are the worst places to grow up if you want to pursue a good education, precisely because of policies such as affirmative action, that claim to help people but never encourage people to help themselves. Victim mentality is a disease and it is being spread by Democrats.
@@danieldesjardins4074 SCOTUS ended Asian, white students' discrimination. Most Americans support a ban on making ethnicity a factor in college admissions. SCOTUS agreed, but allowed students to talk about how their ethnicity affected them. I'd say SCOTUS should've been clear that u must PROVE how it affected u, n to be fair, should allow u to mention how your health, poverty, lack of connections or "legacy" status, or your ugliness or weakness n being bullied, affected u. each person's life has more or less fortune n hardships, n we can't assume based on color. If u want diversity, u can seek diverse classes n guests. MLK copied Ghandi, Einstein credited all math from Indians (which they got from Vedas, which seems to be where all knowledge originated from, which youtuber "Playitalready" plans to show evidence for) but where's Indian history month? Why 7-11 jokes, etc. can be made on Indians, but they along with ALL Asians, have to sue to stop colleges from lowering their personality score n making their ethnicity a key, to give their seat to blks? because you're a selfish r*cist? no thanks. if u have so much empathy, start with the 70% of blk kids having no father. i mostly blame f*minists for that. help animals in factory farms, who are being treated worse than blks.
What should we do to fight racism? Different racism! These talking heads continually confound race and socioeconomic status. If you want to help the underprivileged consider socioeconomic status instead.
Don't forget preferred "gender". "Diversity" is all ABOUT fulfilling positions with a rainbow of flavors to include Everyone, not by whether one has the required SKILLS necessary for the position! ...silly! 😦
@@kamman1374 Not when you follow the money. You cannot make decisions based on optics. Decisions should be made only with a repercussions context. You seem to want to follow the right wing red laser dot that the billionaires are using to play you. Change my mind.
If I owned a painting company and I needed 5 painters, I want the 5 best that apply. Don’t care what they look like. The fact that I had to pick a black one or any other color to check a box is ridiculous
The issue is if they’re all of the same standard (eg meet prerequisites for university entrance to the degree or in your example all have training/references etc) then it’s the diversity/life experiences that each person will bring to your business that will enrich your business
@@stefaniekokal58ea it's diversity by focusing on accepting the minority. Have you ever thought that a guy from New York, Texas and Oregon are different from one another whatever their race is 😂
This was created for a reason. Black people have always been held back from good colleges. It's not much different today. Now, colleges can discriminate against someone who lives in the ghetto. Do you think Harvard or Yale are going to want someone on their campuses without the government forcing them to because they live in the ghetto? If you think so, you're delusional.
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Ending affirmative action could help black people. When you admit people into schools they otherwise wouldn’t qualify for because of their race you make it harder for them to graduate. Go look up graduation rates by race if you don’t believe it.
Affirmative action was never designed to bring ill prepared students to college campuses. This was and still is the argument of those who are against what it was originally designed to be. Retention of the students was part of the original but it was later taken out.
@@raeha7796then why the huge discrepancy in graduation rates? You believe a black student with a 1100 SAT well prepared for a college that expects 1500 from an Asian student?
@@davidbertrand7069 Again that is not what I said. Standardized test such as the SAT are a score of how much the students parents were willing to pay for test prep. I find what your example of the test scores interesting and a bit telling. It appears that you associated the lower score to the minority student. Why is that?
As Daniel Markovits describes, "meritocracy excludes people outside of the elite, excludes middle class people and working class people from schooling, from good jobs, and from status and income, and then insults them by saying that the reason they’re excluded is that they don’t measure up, rather than that there’s a structural block to their inclusion."
@@edvaca8419 Structural block? You don't say... like when discovery discovered this fun exchange between admissions staff to block Asians (which, I remind you, is a minority group) [●“Perfect 2400 SAT All 5 on AP one B in 11th,” an unidentified person wrote. ●“Brown?!,” a second unidentified person replied. ●“Heck no. Asian,” the original person shot back.]
Exactly... time to move on... anyone noticing skin color in 2023 is the real racist ... with blacks and muslims and asians considered white supremacists... its the most diverse groupnow 🤦🏾♂️
Affirmative action was never intended to be forever. 20 years ago the court made that clear they even gave a 25 year benchmark to work towards diversity without affirmative action
@tessmage_tessera for one it will help asian Americans which is a great thing! ( Unless your a racist) no more getting into a ivy league schools because of your race it's a win win
Exactly, grandfathering is such an entitled process, wait, grandfathering has been left in, so if you still get entry solely based on who your grandfather was not your own merit.
Affirmative Action is a double edge sword. Counter Point: I spent 2 years taking Fire Science classes in the evenings while raising a young boy and had a full-time job. I volunteered at the County Fire Department on weekends and passed the State Test to become a Certified Fire EMT. I spent 16 weeks of Saturdays completing the training at the Fire Academy. I took many tests around SoCal to gain employment with the FD, in all cases after the written test, an oral interview, and passing a physical examination. Each time I made the top ten list for new hires. This was in 1980 when the Fire Department was required to hire minorities to balance the workforce. I was passed over by this, they had to go several tiers down to get minority candidates who were recruited from minority neighborhoods, and they were prepared by the Fire Department at all stages of the hiring process. I gave up after all the work after 4 years I had put into this career, while others got a Bump Forward for their minority status and were hired. Is that fair to be passed over because you were born white? We can not give bias in housing and jobs to minorities, race can not be considered. Why in our schools? This has denied students that are not of a minority the same chance at schools of their choice. I will never take anything away from any minority ( I married one), but I will not discriminate against any race, and that includes my own. I can tell you I do not like what is going on with the Supreme Court, but I think they got this one right, in my own Biased Opinion?
Should have gone further. Left too much room for the left winged abuse of passing 3rd graders and denying talent. Their goal is to break society and go to communism. Period. The Court didn’t set true limitations.
Why in our schools? Because diversity in an educational environment can be considered part of that education - exposure to people from different backgrounds and culture, which hopefully would contribute to a wider view of the nation we are part of.
Do you think racism exists on our country. If not, why? If yes , then how do we fix it? It's about giving a hand up , not a hand out. President Johnson was right to show the injustice of Jim Crow and the scum that believed in it and enforced it.
@@paulkern7229 Having diversity at the cost of denying better qualified is a much worse outcome. You are denying people that deserve to get into the school or job just to have a minority present. I have been denied a job because of Affirmative Action(learned the job was terrible and so I am not bothered by it) and worked someplace else that hired for it even though the new employee was incompetent and you could see the incompetency when he talked. In less than 6 months a new position was opened just to cover that one worker. And the HR rep going over the applications was my GF at the time and she told me how it was an Affirmative Action hire and people with tons of experience were denied just so they could have a token black man in the warehouse and not get sued even though there was an Asian working in the office, 2 Hispanics, and a native American working for the company in other roles(janitor was white). Just not a whole lot of black people living in the area and applying. He was the only one that year and only got the job due to his skin color. Is that a good thing to deny someone who deserves the job just because they are not a minority? Or is it just as bad as denying someone a job just because they are a minority? They are equally bad and Affirmative Action forced it to happen way more than you would think. The black woman commenting on fewer black people getting into Cali schools ignores the possibility that the fewer is because the schools are enrolling by qualifications and not race, that the majority population applies more due to just being a majority and that itself adds more better qualified students. And completely ignores that public schools are funded by local taxes and minorities tend to live in more impoverished areas and therefore less funded schools providing less education for a less educated population that is not educated enough to rise out of poverty. Same problem with all white small towns in the mid west or south and their lack of getting into big schools after they graduate from HS.
Shhhh! You are NOT supposed to notice THAT...move along, now. Nothing to see here! But I DO find it amusing that NO ONE here seems to be buying what MSNBC is trying to sell us here.
How do you misstate or distort how affirmative action works? It's actually very simple and quite obvious how it works. It places race above academics, merits and accolades. Affirmative action is literally modern day racial discrimination.
1.) Legacy status is not a protected class like race, gender, etc. 2.) Legacy admissions impact maybe 5% of applicants, racial policies impact 100% That being said, I agree. Legacy policies need to end as well.
John Wayne will be happy in his grave. He said he made it from poor beginnings but what he left out was that if he was black he would never have had any chance to do what he did. So he had a massive advantage just for being born white in America. Hence the reason and need for affirmative action
*The words inscribed on the Supreme Court building read "EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW." It does not say one race will get preferential treatment over other races! We've had affirmative action for a half century! It's time black students study and work harder and not rely on a crutch to get them lifted over other more deserving students!*
Who said black students are not working hard? I don’t understand why people think that as a black person I did not have to study or make good grades in high school in order to be accepted in college…that all I had to do was select “African American” on my application to get in. That thinking is wild to me.
My biggest question is: Why are they allowed to accept campaign donations when their job is assigned not voted in? This explicitly invites partisanship when they claim those donations will go to a super pac of their choosing! The Supreme Court is supposed to be absolute non party bias, but this lately is obviously in broad daylight the opposite case! Term limits 8 years, no allowed donations, recuse from any case (By law that does, has or will effect them, and audits of their income San no grey area on gifts they may receive! Period! No legal ease plain english not interpreting of the laws and the Senate WILL SET THE ETHICAL STANDARDS of the court, not themselves. One can not in a democracy write the rules that govern themselves!
"Here of late"? What are you talking about? This is the way the court has always run. You just didn't care before, because the court was handing down rulings you liked.
Tim Scott finally said something right. He was wrong when speaking of academic qualifications to get into these colleges. Kids who benefit from affirmative are qualified! They are not getting a pass. Legacy, that's a whole different story.
Sen. Tim Scott says a lot of things that are right, but liberal news media would rather smear him as an "Uncle Tom" than listen to what he has to say. But you're assuming that a college or university seeing two applicants of the same competency would choose one over the other based on skin color. That's a massive assumption, and if that were happening it would be called discrimination. Which is unconstitutional. For the same reason, the supreme court has ruled that affirmative action is unconstitutional. Because choosing applicants based on the color of their skin, and not the content of their character, is racism. There's really not that much more to understand here. Yet you have liberals claiming they want to pack the supreme court (with more liberals, obviously) and calling the supreme court "far-right extremist". Bleeding-heart Liberals want to "help" the poor, black folk. Well, tell them to stop voting for Democrats who have been running the cities in which they live for decades without doing anything to improve the quality of their lives, especially their education! Victim mentality is a disease that thrives in Democrat enclaves.
13:56 Did she really try the rich black kid argument? Does she understand that the small number of African Americans who make it to an ivy league is so infinitesimal that it will not make an impact? Honestly, she does. She just felt people were so uninformed that we wouldn't notice.
Wealthy people (of any race) can afford the best private schools, tutors for the SATs, overseas humanitarian trips that look great on applications, ay someone to craft and write your admission essay, and of course legacy admissions. The connections that wealthy families have give them an unfair advantage to begin with. Somehow we need to convince employers that Ivy League universities don’t automatically create better employees. We need to invest heavily invest in trade schools, apprenticeships and on the job training programs. And we need to publicly fund elections so that networks of big donors don’t have the impact they have now.
And yet Democrat policies do none of that, they only focus on giving handouts. The rhetoric from the Left is designed to make victims out of people. Regardless of what opportunities are afforded to, let's face it, just a handful of rich kids (like, 1% of kids) the only antidote is to encourage kids to work hard and study right. Parents are the ultimate force behind a child's education and Democrat policies have encouraged generations of black mothers to raise their kids without a father, and fathers to abandon their children. These kids are at a severe disadvantage but giving them a pass to a prestigious college that they are not really suited for is not the answer. The answer is to raise kids who are good enough to get into these colleges on merit alone. For instance, giving parents a choice on where to send their kids to school would force schools to be accountable for the quality of the education they provide. That's the very reason why private schools churn out so many high performing students: a. they require their students to meet certain standards, and b. they will lose those students if they don't provide a high-quality education. Yet Democrats think that school choice is racist, what a surprise. Not to mention anytime a Republican puts forward a bill to address inequality they are outright dismissed by the Liberals and smeared by the media as racist. Because apparently only Democrats want to help people get a better education. America needs to get a grip, and the Liberals need to let go of their insane ideas about how they think the world "should" work.
Colleges and Universities will be totally irrelevant institutions by 2028, far more than they Already Are. Not worth the Price Tag vs. the supposed "Benefits". There are no guarantees Any More...that having a College degree or educational Excellence will bring you ANY result other than the same result from having Life Skills and a good command of the Language(s). ~ Talk a good Game and the Road will be shown to You! Albeit Bogus!!
I one party majority Supreme Court will never seen as just to the people but only to one party or the other. Lifetime jobs regardless of the quality of their work is more than any other single person in the country. Term limits is the basis of a democracy. Lifetime jobs give them no reason to do the job well, only to line their pockets, make politically powerful friends and do their bidding… I think there is already precedence for this… O YEAH. “ Absolute power, corrupts absolutely “.
I know as a country we have to move forward...We are decades removed from overt discrimination and with this decision, non white communities have to rely on the trust and humanity of our white counterparts. To my white brothers and sisters, this is a hard thing to do. Your ancestral history doesn't scream trust.
Clarence Thomas voted to end affirmative action in college admissions, what will he vote against next if cases come up to the supreme court, the voting right act of 1965? The civil rights act of 1964?
There's no evidence for that happening. It's quite ridiculous to assume that this ruling means civil rights are up for grabs, or that conservatives have any desire to reverse them. Only CNN or MSNBC would have the gall to suggest that conservatives are so backward. Actually, conservatives are mostly god-fearing patriots who support "equality" but not "equity", which is a Marxist concoction for feeble-minded fools with victimhood mentality.
"Apparently Students For Fair Admissions v. Harvard doesn't apply to military academies. I DON'T KNOW WHY." ["Supreme Court Takes Giant Step Toward Color-Blind America" (The Dershow with Alan Dershowitz -- June 29, 2023, @16:04--16:06)] . ANSWER: It takes a special breed to keep America safe. [S4E16 ("Slide by Wire") @31:18 (Jan. 17, 1999)].
Americans understand the meaning of justice, and the justice system also has to mission statements. Stop holding America accountable if, We are not willing to hold are self accountable for our actions. Please Voters must fight the good fight for democracy.
If I was recruiting for an HBC I would use this to flip the script on college athletics, when HBCs start obtaining heavily recruited athletes, people are going to take notice.
You think the college athletes are there for any other reason? Won't make a difference, they'll still give 6'5" 320lb Tyrone a full scholarship for his communications degree.
The Supreme Court is already politicized. Balancing the SC with additional justices makes so much sense. There is too much work for 9 justices. The number is arbitrary anyway.
Of course, we would necessarily need to pack it with Liberal judges, due to the current batch being such "far-right extremists", that would make so much sense! That way the supreme court wouldn't be biased at all, and it definitely wouldn't become a politicized tool of the extreme radical Left, either. Take a breather, buddy. The only one you're fooling is yourself.
interesting note on page 66 (Thomas concurrence). In response to Justice Jackson's and Justice Sotomayor'rs dissent regarding establisment of Freedmens Bureau being race conscious, he states that "freedman" was a status and therefore race neutral. Question: if legacy is a status and "freedmen is a status then is "legacy of freedmen" a status and thus race neutral?
If affirmative action is so bad, why was it used for women? And, why shouldn’t it apply to other groups who are not able to break through structural or racial or socioeconomic barriers to access educational institutions…🤔
It seems to me the ruling and Roberts' opinion were based on an erroneous straw man with regard to college and university admission policies. I think that makes this ruling easier to sidestep.
So now to explain the inequalities of underserved minorities in education, it is now going to be put on black and hispanic students to complain about that system in college admissions essays? Thats whack.
Hmm. Asians are minorities. Asians are "brown skinned". Many Asians grow up in the same poor neighborhoods and attend the same schools as blacks and Latinos. Yet Asians kids are excelling in academia. What's your excuse for the black and Latinos?
Term limits with no extension would be good for the Supreme Court. Ethics rules with teeth and make it easier to impeach SCOTUS justices…maybe with a bipartisan organization of constitutional scholars not connected to the government to oversee the constitutionality of decisions might be an option? Obviously this court has made several decisions that are not constitutional. And we might get a reconsideration of citizens United and the 2nd amendment.
A. This hurts talented African Americans B. If you have money and skin colour you do not need legacy - it is a given - baked in C. Legacy programs are open handed fixed systems of priveledge that African Americans do not have due to their legacy D. Education is for a better nation in a world economy that is becoming more and more connected and technology getting out of hand with real control and autonomy. Resulting in a self inflicting achilles heel of societal judiciary psychosis of self centered insensitivity and indifference that can seem racist, but it speaks more about values and long term strategies being missed for contemporaneous impulses to finish a job of punishment and execution of pain for political and social pleasure in private.
Tough pill to swallow. But for those who are from minorities have to not only work through school, but also think through how others are going to interpret their race: how their going to get treated because of their race. While doing all the same work that those who don't face that do.
Affirmative Action gutted? What has the last 18 years been for? Dire Straits' song "You and your friend" Will you and your friend come around? Are you and your friend gonna get on down? Will you and your friend come around? Or are you and your friend gonna let me down? If you talk to one another I'm a hungry man Let me know one way or the other So I can make my plans Lock step doesn't work. But Carry On.
If you picked 9 children. Gave them a box of crayons. Then said to them. There's other kids that want to color with you. But the only way they can, is if they are the same color tone as you? Do you know what those kids would say...They'd all tell you that's bullsh/t.
Lions - by Dire Straits. But The Lions are made of stone is one line. We all are lions and lionesses. Little Else and Elsa. Strap hanging gunshot sound Doors slamming on the overground Starlings are tough but the lions are made of stone Her evening paper is horror torn But there's hope later for Capricorns Her lucky stars give her just enough to get her home Then she's reading about a swing to the right But she's thinking about a stranger in the night I'm thinking about the lions tonight What happened to the lions
1st amendment rights are intended for the public square. Private entities can curtail your 1st amendment rights with community standards. Nobody is going to let you sing a profane song while displaying a Playboy centerfold in a house of worship or a Walmart. Ergo, how can the SCOTUS mandate private entities/businesses cannot pursue AF if they wish?
Wow. You and the rest of the NPCs that are drinking the MSM cool aid are the epitome of ignorance. You obviously aren't aware that it was a group of Asian students that brought the lawsuit that ultimately wound up in front of SCOTUS that resulted in this ruling. The Asian students were being denied entry to school based on their race via affirmative action. Asians are minorities in the USA just fyi. I'm embarrassed for you. Perhaps you need a few more sources of news so you get the whole story.
I’m generally a conservative American, but I support affirmative action because it increases diversity in our universities and colleges across the country. It is a solution to real challenges that some minorities face in getting higher education. This strike-down is a loss, and it feels as though we are shifting closer to countries like China which are totally homogeneously merit-based… time will tell how this decision affects our future generations.
*So, lowering the standards... and accepting less qualified candidates... because of "THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN"... is a good thing?* (please... tell me how that's not racist... I'll wait)
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You are okay with telling Asian and Caucasian students they are not wanted. Ma'am more discrimination is not the answer.
Clarify please.
@@danieldesjardins4074 If you need that clarified, then you must have only been watching MSNBC for the last twenty years. Affirmative action denies entry to hard-working and deserving students (often Asian or White) in order to fill quotas based on the color of one's skin. It's racism, hence it's unconstitutional.
That's really all you need to know, and all this rhetoric about packing the supreme court (with more liberals, obviously) and talk of the supreme court being "far-right extremist" is asinine. Racism is unconstitutional, and deserving black students ARE admitted if and when their academic performance meets the necessarily harsh entry standards at these universities.
Maybe we should be looking at how Democrat policies destroyed the family structure in black neighbourhoods and caused generations of young black kids to grow up without fathers, surrounded by violence and gang culture. Democrat cities are the worst places to grow up if you want to pursue a good education, precisely because of policies such as affirmative action, that claim to help people but never encourage people to help themselves.
Victim mentality is a disease and it is being spread by Democrats.
@@danieldesjardins4074 SCOTUS ended Asian, white students' discrimination.
Most Americans support a ban on making ethnicity a factor in college admissions. SCOTUS agreed, but allowed students to talk about how their ethnicity affected them. I'd say SCOTUS should've been clear that u must PROVE how it affected u, n to be fair, should allow u to mention how your health, poverty, lack of connections or "legacy" status, or your ugliness or weakness n being bullied, affected u. each person's life has more or less fortune n hardships, n we can't assume based on color.
If u want diversity, u can seek diverse classes n guests. MLK copied Ghandi, Einstein credited all math from Indians (which they got from Vedas, which seems to be where all knowledge originated from, which youtuber "Playitalready" plans to show evidence for) but where's Indian history month? Why 7-11 jokes, etc. can be made on Indians, but they along with ALL Asians, have to sue to stop colleges from lowering their personality score n making their ethnicity a key, to give their seat to blks? because you're a selfish r*cist? no thanks. if u have so much empathy, start with the 70% of blk kids having no father. i mostly blame f*minists for that. help animals in factory farms, who are being treated worse than blks.
@@danieldesjardins4074let me clarify for ya. You work off your merritts, not your skin color or your culture. That ahould be easy to understand!
What should we do to fight racism? Different racism! These talking heads continually confound race and socioeconomic status. If you want to help the underprivileged consider socioeconomic status instead.
Let us judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character... thats how it goes right?
Don't forget preferred "gender". "Diversity" is all ABOUT fulfilling positions with a rainbow of flavors to include Everyone, not by whether one has the required SKILLS necessary for the position! ...silly! 😦
@tessmage_tessera do you know?
@tessmage_tessera the ukrainians?
Asians finally get treated right on IQ.
I like how the dude fails to mention that it's other minorities that brought this action.
@tessmage_tessera Asian Americans
Money brought this action. Nothing else...
@@wally3586The optics are still relevant.....
@@kamman1374 Not when you follow the money. You cannot make decisions based on optics. Decisions should be made only with a repercussions context. You seem to want to follow the right wing red laser dot that the billionaires are using to play you. Change my mind.
@@kamman1374 To the superficial...
“Supreme Court Guts Institutional Racism” - fixed it for you
truth 👍
Do you acknowledge that racial discrimination exists for African Americans?
Thanks! 💯
@@raeha7796 Don't try to have an intelligent conversation with them.
@@raeha7796affirmative action was a sining exaple of racial discrimination💙
If I owned a painting company and I needed 5 painters, I want the 5 best that apply. Don’t care what they look like. The fact that I had to pick a black one or any other color to check a box is ridiculous
The issue is if they’re all of the same standard (eg meet prerequisites for university entrance to the degree or in your example all have training/references etc) then it’s the diversity/life experiences that each person will bring to your business that will enrich your business
@@stefaniekokal58ea it's diversity by focusing on accepting the minority. Have you ever thought that a guy from New York, Texas and Oregon are different from one another whatever their race is 😂
Race can no longer be considered as a factor in university admissions 👏👏👏 FJB
This was created for a reason. Black people have always been held back from good colleges. It's not much different today. Now, colleges can discriminate against someone who lives in the ghetto. Do you think Harvard or Yale are going to want someone on their campuses without the government forcing them to because they live in the ghetto? If you think so, you're delusional.
@@apollomayaimi6816 should get rid of race quotas in the work place as well.
Get rid of white supremacist racial prejudice and there would be no need for affirmative action.
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Ending affirmative action could help black people. When you admit people into schools they otherwise wouldn’t qualify for because of their race you make it harder for them to graduate. Go look up graduation rates by race if you don’t believe it.
Affirmative action was never designed to bring ill prepared students to college campuses. This was and still is the argument of those who are against what it was originally designed to be. Retention of the students was part of the original but it was later taken out.
Affirmative action never benefited black people anyways. Go look that up!
@@flora936calm down, I think my statement implies that I know it didn’t help them.
@@raeha7796then why the huge discrepancy in graduation rates? You believe a black student with a 1100 SAT well prepared for a college that expects 1500 from an Asian student?
@@davidbertrand7069 Again that is not what I said. Standardized test such as the SAT are a score of how much the students parents were willing to pay for test prep. I find what your example of the test scores interesting and a bit telling. It appears that you associated the lower score to the minority student. Why is that?
We've held Whites and Asians back long enough. Keep up or get left behind.
Yeah this country has a long history of holding back the white people!
A HUGE win for MERIT!!!
As Daniel Markovits describes, "meritocracy excludes people outside of the elite, excludes middle class people and working class people from schooling, from good jobs, and from status and income, and then insults them by saying that the reason they’re excluded is that they don’t measure up, rather than that there’s a structural block to their inclusion."
@@edvaca8419 Structural block? You don't say... like when discovery discovered this fun exchange between admissions staff to block Asians (which, I remind you, is a minority group)
[●“Perfect 2400 SAT All 5 on AP one B in 11th,” an unidentified person wrote.
●“Brown?!,” a second unidentified person replied.
●“Heck no. Asian,” the original person shot back.]
@@edvaca8419 the ravings of a fool
God bless Justice Thomas! 🇺🇸
😅😅😅😅😅…you must be attention starved and lonely huh?
@@apollomayaimi6816how do you know that?
@@apollomayaimi6816 and Ketanji jackson didnt "benefit" from it ? whats the point here?
@tessmage_tessera so was she a beneficiary of AA? or not
I am sure colleges will find other ways if this is not closely monitored.
This is a great step forward in dismantling systemic racism!
Finally someone in the Supreme Court with a brain that thinks logically instead of feelings unlike the rest of the US.
Racist
Says someone without a brain
You obviously don't understand what affirmative action even is. Go home little boy and get off the internet.
Exactly... time to move on... anyone noticing skin color in 2023 is the real racist ... with blacks and muslims and asians considered white supremacists... its the most diverse groupnow 🤦🏾♂️
Facts here
“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”
-Thomas Sowell
Thank you SCOTUS 🙌🏾🇺🇸
Big shout out to the Supreme Court
God bless the Supreme Court
One GREAT DAY for America
Equal opportunity. Individual effort and responsibility.
Affirmative action was never intended to be forever. 20 years ago the court made that clear they even gave a 25 year benchmark to work towards diversity without affirmative action
Awesome!! huge win !! good job supreme court ! 😊
@tessmage_tessera for one it will help asian Americans which is a great thing! ( Unless your a racist) no more getting into a ivy league schools because of your race it's a win win
Some asians do live and go to the same schools as other disadvantaged kids.
The arrogance 😅... it's not your birthright to have things handed to you. Nauseatingly entitled 🤢
Exactly, grandfathering is such an entitled process, wait, grandfathering has been left in, so if you still get entry solely based on who your grandfather was not your own merit.
Affirmative Action is a double edge sword. Counter Point: I spent 2 years taking Fire Science classes in the evenings while raising a young boy and had a full-time job. I volunteered at the County Fire Department on weekends and passed the State Test to become a Certified Fire EMT. I spent 16 weeks of Saturdays completing the training at the Fire Academy. I took many tests around SoCal to gain employment with the FD, in all cases after the written test, an oral interview, and passing a physical examination. Each time I made the top ten list for new hires. This was in 1980 when the Fire Department was required to hire minorities to balance the workforce. I was passed over by this, they had to go several tiers down to get minority candidates who were recruited from minority neighborhoods, and they were prepared by the Fire Department at all stages of the hiring process. I gave up after all the work after 4 years I had put into this career, while others got a Bump Forward for their minority status and were hired. Is that fair to be passed over because you were born white? We can not give bias in housing and jobs to minorities, race can not be considered. Why in our schools? This has denied students that are not of a minority the same chance at schools of their choice. I will never take anything away from any minority ( I married one), but I will not discriminate against any race, and that includes my own. I can tell you I do not like what is going on with the Supreme Court, but I think they got this one right, in my own Biased Opinion?
Should have gone further. Left too much room for the left winged abuse of passing 3rd graders and denying talent. Their goal is to break society and go to communism. Period. The Court didn’t set true limitations.
Why in our schools? Because diversity in an educational environment can be considered part of that education - exposure to people from different backgrounds and culture, which hopefully would contribute to a wider view of the nation we are part of.
Do you think racism exists on our country. If not, why? If yes , then how do we fix it? It's about giving a hand up , not a hand out. President Johnson was right to show the injustice of Jim Crow and the scum that believed in it and enforced it.
@@paulkern7229 Diversity at what Cost? I accept diversity in the natural process. I do not accept Enforced Diversity.
@@paulkern7229 Having diversity at the cost of denying better qualified is a much worse outcome. You are denying people that deserve to get into the school or job just to have a minority present. I have been denied a job because of Affirmative Action(learned the job was terrible and so I am not bothered by it) and worked someplace else that hired for it even though the new employee was incompetent and you could see the incompetency when he talked. In less than 6 months a new position was opened just to cover that one worker. And the HR rep going over the applications was my GF at the time and she told me how it was an Affirmative Action hire and people with tons of experience were denied just so they could have a token black man in the warehouse and not get sued even though there was an Asian working in the office, 2 Hispanics, and a native American working for the company in other roles(janitor was white). Just not a whole lot of black people living in the area and applying. He was the only one that year and only got the job due to his skin color.
Is that a good thing to deny someone who deserves the job just because they are not a minority? Or is it just as bad as denying someone a job just because they are a minority? They are equally bad and Affirmative Action forced it to happen way more than you would think. The black woman commenting on fewer black people getting into Cali schools ignores the possibility that the fewer is because the schools are enrolling by qualifications and not race, that the majority population applies more due to just being a majority and that itself adds more better qualified students. And completely ignores that public schools are funded by local taxes and minorities tend to live in more impoverished areas and therefore less funded schools providing less education for a less educated population that is not educated enough to rise out of poverty. Same problem with all white small towns in the mid west or south and their lack of getting into big schools after they graduate from HS.
Anyone else notice that MSNBC rarely if ever has a panel with a diversity of opinion? Fox does all the time. They have real debates. Not CNN or MSNBC.
Shhhh! You are NOT supposed to notice THAT...move along, now. Nothing to see here! But I DO find it amusing that NO ONE here seems to be buying what MSNBC is trying to sell us here.
Kidding right?
MSNBC and CNN are pure PROPAGANDA.
MSNBC and CNN are both a real freaking DISGRACE and EMBARRASSMENT
The federalist society needs to be looked into for money laundering
How do you misstate or distort how affirmative action works? It's actually very simple and quite obvious how it works. It places race above academics, merits and accolades. Affirmative action is literally modern day racial discrimination.
What about legacy admissions? Someone's father donates to the college and the child is admitted.
Look at who benefits from legacy admissions the most and you'll have the answer to your question as to why nothing was done about it.
1.) Legacy status is not a protected class like race, gender, etc.
2.) Legacy admissions impact maybe 5% of applicants, racial policies impact 100%
That being said, I agree. Legacy policies need to end as well.
Enough is enough 🎉
Excellent decision by a sensible Supreme Court 👏
the left loves to treat people differently based on thier skin color💙
It's all about division for those people.
Apparently I’m not Black anymore because I didn’t vote for biden 🤷🏽♂️
didn't help you, you still can't spell or understand grammar.
Do you acknowledge that racial discrimination exits for African Americans?
@@raeha7796 - what makes them so special that they are the only ones to be discriminated against?
Equal justice under the law...
In America that has no meaning. The most backward and morally bankrupt country in the world
AWESOME NEWS FOR ALL FAIRNESS LOVING AMERICANS!
You mean racists
Right "fairness", I imagine it carries the same type of definition that you have for "patriotism".
John Wayne will be happy in his grave. He said he made it from poor beginnings but what he left out was that if he was black he would never have had any chance to do what he did. So he had a massive advantage just for being born white in America. Hence the reason and need for affirmative action
*The words inscribed on the Supreme Court building read "EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW." It does not say one race will get preferential treatment over other races! We've had affirmative action for a half century! It's time black students study and work harder and not rely on a crutch to get them lifted over other more deserving students!*
Who said black students are not working hard? I don’t understand why people think that as a black person I did not have to study or make good grades in high school in order to be accepted in college…that all I had to do was select “African American” on my application to get in. That thinking is wild to me.
Free at last!
Get rid of legacy admissions.
Before AA was over turned...all you heard was "oh blacks are so oppressed! Oh blacks are so behind..."
So what good was it doing anyway??
Get rid of legacy admissions. If conservatives want no considerations then there should be none
I don't know why MAGA's getting all bent out of shape over this. Not one of them is ever going to Harvard - no matter what the policy.
Nobody has the right to murder or human sacrifice babies.
Laquisha wants her free stuff
As long as ESG still exists, this means nothing.
Quinnipiac poll says they have a approval rating of 28%… with their grifting, and religious and ideological leanings it should be lower…
Yea....where is BLM gathering the community? Where is BLM marching because of this? Where....is BLM?
admissions for blacks will still be low because of the paywall. To them it literally doesn't matter.
Finally back to the constitution.
It's all about public schools not teaching well not the individual student or their skin color.
Dang! All the time having my kids pretending to be Native Americans like Elizabeth Warpath pulled, now down the stinking drain!
Imagine being against equality
This is so dreadful.
Given another thing to whine about
If it is the middle school resources access problems, then focus on solving those problems
VOTE VOTE VOTE
My biggest question is: Why are they allowed to accept campaign donations when their job is assigned not voted in? This explicitly invites partisanship when they claim those donations will go to a super pac of their choosing! The Supreme Court is supposed to be absolute non party bias, but this lately is obviously in broad daylight the opposite case! Term limits 8 years, no allowed donations, recuse from any case (By law that does, has or will effect them, and audits of their income San no grey area on gifts they may receive! Period! No legal ease plain english not interpreting of the laws and the Senate WILL SET THE ETHICAL STANDARDS of the court, not themselves. One can not in a democracy write the rules that govern themselves!
"Here of late"? What are you talking about? This is the way the court has always run. You just didn't care before, because the court was handing down rulings you liked.
🇺🇸equality feels like oppression to the privileged
It’s time for civil disobedience
Another summer of love?
Thank you, Ms Drown Jackson! And God save the Queen, man.
Tim Scott finally said something right. He was wrong when speaking of academic qualifications to get into these colleges. Kids who benefit from affirmative are qualified! They are not getting a pass. Legacy, that's a whole different story.
Sen. Tim Scott says a lot of things that are right, but liberal news media would rather smear him as an "Uncle Tom" than listen to what he has to say.
But you're assuming that a college or university seeing two applicants of the same competency would choose one over the other based on skin color.
That's a massive assumption, and if that were happening it would be called discrimination. Which is unconstitutional.
For the same reason, the supreme court has ruled that affirmative action is unconstitutional. Because choosing applicants based on the color of their skin, and not the content of their character, is racism. There's really not that much more to understand here.
Yet you have liberals claiming they want to pack the supreme court (with more liberals, obviously) and calling the supreme court "far-right extremist". Bleeding-heart Liberals want to "help" the poor, black folk. Well, tell them to stop voting for Democrats who have been running the cities in which they live for decades without doing anything to improve the quality of their lives, especially their education! Victim mentality is a disease that thrives in Democrat enclaves.
So if you whine about how your great great great great grandfather was a slave in your essay Harvard should prefer you?
Thomas benefited from affirmative action. Now he guts it.
Thank you, Deborah! 👏
13:56 Did she really try the rich black kid argument? Does she understand that the small number of African Americans who make it to an ivy league is so infinitesimal that it will not make an impact? Honestly, she does. She just felt people were so uninformed that we wouldn't notice.
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Wealthy people (of any race) can afford the best private schools, tutors for the SATs, overseas humanitarian trips that look great on applications, ay someone to craft and write your admission essay, and of course legacy admissions. The connections that wealthy families have give them an unfair advantage to begin with.
Somehow we need to convince employers that Ivy League universities don’t automatically create better employees. We need to invest heavily invest in trade schools, apprenticeships and on the job training programs. And we need to publicly fund elections so that networks of big donors don’t have the impact they have now.
And yet Democrat policies do none of that, they only focus on giving handouts. The rhetoric from the Left is designed to make victims out of people. Regardless of what opportunities are afforded to, let's face it, just a handful of rich kids (like, 1% of kids) the only antidote is to encourage kids to work hard and study right.
Parents are the ultimate force behind a child's education and Democrat policies have encouraged generations of black mothers to raise their kids without a father, and fathers to abandon their children. These kids are at a severe disadvantage but giving them a pass to a prestigious college that they are not really suited for is not the answer. The answer is to raise kids who are good enough to get into these colleges on merit alone.
For instance, giving parents a choice on where to send their kids to school would force schools to be accountable for the quality of the education they provide.
That's the very reason why private schools churn out so many high performing students: a. they require their students to meet certain standards, and b. they will lose those students if they don't provide a high-quality education.
Yet Democrats think that school choice is racist, what a surprise.
Not to mention anytime a Republican puts forward a bill to address inequality they are outright dismissed by the Liberals and smeared by the media as racist.
Because apparently only Democrats want to help people get a better education.
America needs to get a grip, and the Liberals need to let go of their insane ideas about how they think the world "should" work.
Colleges and Universities will be totally irrelevant institutions by 2028, far more than they Already Are. Not worth the Price Tag vs. the supposed "Benefits". There are no guarantees Any More...that having a College degree or educational Excellence will bring you ANY result other than the same result from having Life Skills and a good command of the Language(s). ~ Talk a good Game and the Road will be shown to You! Albeit Bogus!!
I one party majority Supreme Court will never seen as just to the people but only to one party or the other. Lifetime jobs regardless of the quality of their work is more than any other single person in the country. Term limits is the basis of a democracy. Lifetime jobs give them no reason to do the job well, only to line their pockets, make politically powerful friends and do their bidding… I think there is already precedence for this… O YEAH. “ Absolute power, corrupts absolutely “.
I know as a country we have to move forward...We are decades removed from overt discrimination and with this decision, non white communities have to rely on the trust and humanity of our white counterparts. To my white brothers and sisters, this is a hard thing to do. Your ancestral history doesn't scream trust.
~ Asians shouldn’t be discriminated in favor of blacks.
Clarence Thomas voted to end affirmative action in college admissions, what will he vote against next if cases come up to the supreme court, the voting right act of 1965? The civil rights act of 1964?
There's no evidence for that happening. It's quite ridiculous to assume that this ruling means civil rights are up for grabs, or that conservatives have any desire to reverse them.
Only CNN or MSNBC would have the gall to suggest that conservatives are so backward. Actually, conservatives are mostly god-fearing patriots who support "equality" but not "equity", which is a Marxist concoction for feeble-minded fools with victimhood mentality.
"Apparently Students For Fair Admissions v. Harvard doesn't apply to military academies.
I DON'T KNOW WHY." ["Supreme Court Takes Giant Step Toward Color-Blind America"
(The Dershow with Alan Dershowitz -- June 29, 2023, @16:04--16:06)] .
ANSWER:
It takes a special breed to keep America safe.
[S4E16 ("Slide by Wire") @31:18 (Jan. 17, 1999)].
Enough of this Diversity, equality and inclusion in America says the Supreme Court. If there was equality, you would not need affirmative action,
The supreme court is terrifying 😢
Ikr?! They don't want to discriminate against people based on skin color!!! 🫠
What!? This is the most meaningful Supreme Court we've had in over a century
Americans understand the meaning of justice, and the justice system also has to mission statements. Stop holding America accountable if, We are not willing to hold are self accountable for our actions. Please Voters must fight the good fight for democracy.
Meritocracy!
The Court- How dare they smile in their promo shot-
They ended systemic racism. They should be proud.
If I was recruiting for an HBC I would use this to flip the script on college athletics, when HBCs start obtaining heavily recruited athletes, people are going to take notice.
You think the college athletes are there for any other reason? Won't make a difference, they'll still give 6'5" 320lb Tyrone a full scholarship for his communications degree.
Amy Coney Barrett reminds me of Margaret Atwoods ''Handmaids Tale'' whenever I see her face.
get some glasses
The Supreme Court is already politicized. Balancing the SC with additional justices makes so much sense. There is too much work for 9 justices. The number is arbitrary anyway.
Only when things aren't going YOUR way, I take it. This happens to be the most meaningful Supreme Court in over a century
Of course, we would necessarily need to pack it with Liberal judges, due to the current batch being such "far-right extremists", that would make so much sense!
That way the supreme court wouldn't be biased at all, and it definitely wouldn't become a politicized tool of the extreme radical Left, either.
Take a breather, buddy. The only one you're fooling is yourself.
interesting note on page 66 (Thomas concurrence). In response to Justice Jackson's and Justice Sotomayor'rs dissent regarding establisment of Freedmens Bureau being race conscious, he states that "freedman" was a status and therefore race neutral. Question: if legacy is a status and "freedmen is a status then is "legacy of freedmen" a status and thus race neutral?
If affirmative action is so bad, why was it used for women?
And, why shouldn’t it apply to other groups who are not able to break through structural or racial or socioeconomic barriers to access educational institutions…🤔
Socioeconomic status should be the main criteria going forward, as a primary means of achieving diversity.
Uncle Thomas
The legacies ARE NOT going to let go of legacy programs.
It seems to me the ruling and Roberts' opinion were based on an erroneous straw man with regard to college and university admission policies. I think that makes this ruling easier to sidestep.
This is a nightmare
NO IT'S NOT
Boohoo😮
Cry more Concast nbc
Biden once again proves why he does not deserve another term. He needs to go right along with the corporatist court.
So, no student loan forgiveness AND no diversity in the admission process. Got it
So now to explain the inequalities of underserved minorities in education, it is now going to be put on black and hispanic students to complain about that system in college admissions essays? Thats whack.
Don't complain, study and work as hard as wyts and yellows
Hmm. Asians are minorities. Asians are "brown skinned". Many Asians grow up in the same poor neighborhoods and attend the same schools as blacks and Latinos. Yet Asians kids are excelling in academia. What's your excuse for the black and Latinos?
Some people are more equal than others
Term limits with no extension would be good for the Supreme Court.
Ethics rules with teeth and make it easier to impeach SCOTUS justices…maybe with a bipartisan organization of constitutional scholars not connected to the government to oversee the constitutionality of decisions might be an option?
Obviously this court has made several decisions that are not constitutional. And we might get a reconsideration of citizens United and the 2nd amendment.
A. This hurts talented African Americans
B. If you have money and skin colour you do not need legacy - it is a given - baked in
C. Legacy programs are open handed fixed systems of priveledge that African Americans do not have due to their legacy
D. Education is for a better nation in a world economy that is becoming more and more connected and technology getting out of hand with real control and autonomy.
Resulting in a self inflicting achilles heel of societal judiciary psychosis of self centered insensitivity and indifference that can seem racist, but it speaks more about values and long term strategies being missed for contemporaneous impulses to finish a job of punishment and execution of pain for political and social pleasure in private.
Tough pill to swallow. But for those who are from minorities have to not only work through school, but also think through how others are going to interpret their race: how their going to get treated because of their race. While doing all the same work that those who don't face that do.
I agree, as a wyt, I feel the discrimination of blks all the time. By the way at my job wyts are a minority
Affirmative Action gutted? What has the last 18 years been for?
Dire Straits' song "You and your friend"
Will you and your friend come around?
Are you and your friend gonna get on down?
Will you and your friend come around?
Or are you and your friend gonna let me down?
If you talk to one another
I'm a hungry man
Let me know one way or the other
So I can make my plans
Lock step doesn't work. But Carry On.
If you picked 9 children. Gave them a box of crayons. Then said to them. There's other kids that want to color with you. But the only way they can, is if they are the same color tone as you? Do you know what those kids would say...They'd all tell you that's bullsh/t.
Lions - by Dire Straits. But The Lions are made of stone is one line. We all are lions and lionesses. Little Else and Elsa.
Strap hanging gunshot sound
Doors slamming on the overground
Starlings are tough but the lions are made of stone
Her evening paper is horror torn
But there's hope later for Capricorns
Her lucky stars give her just enough to get her home
Then she's reading about a swing to the right
But she's thinking about a stranger in the night
I'm thinking about the lions tonight
What happened to the lions
1st amendment rights are intended for the public square. Private entities can curtail your 1st amendment rights with community standards. Nobody is going to let you sing a profane song while displaying a Playboy centerfold in a house of worship or a Walmart. Ergo, how can the SCOTUS mandate private entities/businesses cannot pursue AF if they wish?
People of color, please note the happiness of some who consider themselves part of 'whitness'.Let's see if they feel the same if legacy is removed.
People of color, do not be drawn in to this racist's comment
I don't see color, I see people, un like racist blks
Imagine Trump being entirely or nearly completely orange is he always a man of color or a crayon with a different tone
The orange men are men of color ?
Wow. You and the rest of the NPCs that are drinking the MSM cool aid are the epitome of ignorance. You obviously aren't aware that it was a group of Asian students that brought the lawsuit that ultimately wound up in front of SCOTUS that resulted in this ruling. The Asian students were being denied entry to school based on their race via affirmative action. Asians are minorities in the USA just fyi. I'm embarrassed for you. Perhaps you need a few more sources of news so you get the whole story.
I’m generally a conservative American, but I support affirmative action because it increases diversity in our universities and colleges across the country. It is a solution to real challenges that some minorities face in getting higher education. This strike-down is a loss, and it feels as though we are shifting closer to countries like China which are totally homogeneously merit-based… time will tell how this decision affects our future generations.
*So, lowering the standards... and accepting less qualified candidates... because of "THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN"... is a good thing?*
(please... tell me how that's not racist... I'll wait)
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