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"Euron is the closest Westeros has to a democratically elected leader"😂😂
True, but that has never been their ideology. By their ideology, and all the laws of Gods and men...there is only one true and rightful King. We all know his name is Stannis Baratheon! In the one true story of ASOIAF, he lives and although those who should pray for and bless him,STILL have no love for him, he serves HIS realm. He does his duty.
HE IS. The moot or something like it was very much how Dark Age war leaders were chosen in The British Isles and Scandanavian countries.
@@yourdashingheroidol7909 Who's "they" Greenlands Man?
Not that the Iron Islands people are democratic either, they just have this one point of similarity to the mediaeval beginnings of democracy in our world, the Magna Carta and the Norse "Allthing" moots.
@@eric2500 it's also akin to how in recent western history landowners (captains) were the ones allowed to vote
I’d argue the High Speton. His election is also more for high ranking priests, but there’s a chance some of them are low borne or more represent one of the people.
The winds of winter are a long way off and we can only dream of spring...
18:28 - I've always felt that the epilogue will be a person on the Wall seeing the wall come down and dying in the process.
I think that GRRM has overwhelmed himself with the size of the task and is reluctant to finish it. If he wanted to he could have published it by now but he decided to prioritise fire and blood and dunk and egg. I hope that he does get to publish the final 2 books as cannot allow the awful final season of the show to be the only ending we have for he GOT saga.
the problem scales with each book. More and more characters with ever more complex webs where everything has to line up in time and space
Agreed. His legacy in the mainstream deserves to be so much more than a crappy action tv show. I seriously felt like I was watching Xena Warrior Princess or something through many of the fight scenes.
George looming over your shoulder this entire video is so unsettling
As a writer, albeit not a novelist, I think I understand the biggest issue GRRM has had all these years...when it comes to writing a decent story, usually the penultimate part of it is the most difficult to write because you have to map out EVERYTHING correctly since there's no going back...
In the past when GRRM had any idea he wished to explore or let sit on he could just say "oh well, guess I'll just put it in the next book", but now he can't do that anymore...what he does in Winds is the final sprint before the finale, Spring is the part where he has to close all the storylines, I wouldn't be surprised if he has written out (or at least heavily outlined) a good amount of "A Dream of Spring" just to make sure his pacing is on par and he doesn't leave anything to chance
Yes I agree. He has already set up alot of what's going to happen in the next book with the multiple battles to write, the aftermath, aswell as tying it all together in the right way to build toward spring. The task is huge and when he pulls it off its going to be glorious.
I’ve always hoped the messy Stark ruler ship problem would be worked out in the most elevated and kind manner possible…Everyone else loses their lives and homes by not realizing they have to work together as a pack and each offer their different abilities. Can’t one House take the higher ground? Jon has the command experience, Sansa is the diplomatic face, Arya is the faceless assassin, Rickon has the full Warg power, and Bran has the web connection. If they band together they are a full package.
😆😆😆Bran is the internet! 😆😆😆 You are absolutely right, of course. The Starks as a team are a powerHouse and they were raised to support each other. Even Arya and Sansa, though they don't get along, are told repeatedly to support and love each other in AGoT.
@Astra Inclinant I say this all the time it should have been starks v night king (bran warming animals arya and Jon physically fighting and maybe Sansa doing some planning (she can have some other part to play versus cersei) if they want arya doing the killing blow…fine…but we needed to see the night king in battle I think the guy who did aurther dayne did the stunt work for night king
Rulership* 😊
We also know the books are far better than the show ever was so Martin shouldn’t feel as much pressure if that’s actually an issue.
3 hours, whoa time to hunkerdown.
23:06 - In my opinion almost the entire book is a gigantic Meereenese Knot. I think that's a big reason for why it has taken Martin such a long time. The same problem he had with the Meereenese Knot he now has to solve again except this time it's for all of Winds. Aegon and Cersei's plotlines likely have to come together, Victarion's and Tyrion's, Dany's and Tyrions, Jon's and Sansa's (probably), Arya has to come back to Westeros at some point (but when?), etc. Dany's storyline was the only one with a Meereenese Knot in Dance but in Winds almost every storyline will have its own Meereenese Knot because a lot of storylines have to be brought back together since this is the penultimate book. But the final book the storylines have to have been wittled down already for it to work. I think really people looking at how long it took George to write other books like Dance and Feast and trying to deduce from that how long it'll take for Winds to be finished are making a mistake. I think if you want an accurate estimate you have to look at how long it took George to complete the Meereenese Knot and Dany and Barristan's chapters specifically in Dance, and then multiply that by how many different storylines have to come together in Winds and then add a little bit of extra writing time for the other stuff. And I think THEN you can get a pretty accurate estimate (minus distractions slowing George down).
Drink some more Kool aid
What is this Knot?
@@Diesalot-sc9qzit's a major point of discussion in the book-reader community. One search will clue you in
Just watched the live stream and it was amazing, In Deep Greek delivered once again. Just to add on to the question about Robert not realizing Jon isn’t Ned’s son. I think Robert wanted to his friend to be as flawed as him, and he just kinda thought of course a great lord would have a bastard, because he had so many.
Also the woman he wanted to marry would never have run out on him, and never had a child with anyone else voluntarily.
Because she was pure or something in his mind.
Also he told himself that he would have been faithful to her if they'd married. She was fascinating.
Self deceit
sorry, my last two were supposed to be posted to another thread.
He will have a heart attack or stroke before he finishes. I'm not a hater, I'm old and little overweight, so I'm with him. He really seems star struck and finishing the books that got him there are not his priority.
Geoge R.R. Martin elaborated on the "hold the door" moment in James Hibberd's book, as more of a "hold the passage" moment. So I wonder about the stone bridge that Bran describes in Bloodraven's cave. The slender stone bridge that arcs over the chasm, reminds me of Gandalf's last stand against the Balrog.
We may have an example of what holding the passage would look like, when Bran-co encounter the wights outside Bloodraven's cave and Bran/Hodor join, to fight the wights and turn the tide.
What we know so far… we know winds of winter will never be released .. that’s what we know… ha
He gave up on winds of winter ages ago lol stop giving this man money!
10/10 dankest comment. There are so many other better things we could be spending our money on than GoT spin-offs. Dank, namely. Blaze it, homie.
Fun stream to get back to the main series here. Too many concepts to name in terms of what i and many others want to see play out in TWoW. A somewhat under the radar concept the whole fAegon taking Storm's End does fascinate me a bit. It was mentioned in the stream the Castellan being mad at Stannis but i am not sure that is enough to hand it over to fAegon who many may doubt his identity and claim. And SE is a notoriously tough stronghold to take / resist a siege no less.
A bit tinfoil but given fAegon / his faction do have a history and propensity of bringing ousted Westerosi (often formerly prominent) in the fold ; they may have come across and brought Edric Storm onside in Essos as part of their plan to take Storm's End. Force would not take such a stronghold so quickly but the promise of Edric being installed who was / is so locally beloved there and believe raised at SE may have facilitated it. Could be tinfoil but look forward to seeing the particulars with how fAegon takes SE.
I very much like this theory Andrew. Storm's End is very tough to take , let alone that quickly. So finding someone like Edric Storm which as you mentioned fits into a similar profile of many the fAegon's faction is working with , with Westerosi (often exiled) Jon Con , Rolly Duckfield (many in the Golden Company in general), assuming Septa Lemore among others (Darkstar also it seems if / when he joins up likely on the run at that point) all fit that mold. So Edric does line up with someone they would / could bring in and use in the way you are suggesting. And given his former status and connections to Storm's End i do think what you are theorizing is possible and could be how they took such a stronghold so quickly and seemingly somewhat easily.
I've long thought the edric storm theory is near guaranteed
I think we will see a lot of diplomacy from Faegon's camp, and this will build the conflict in comparing him and Dany. Yes, the Golden Company stormed Griffin's Roost, but perhaps that's just to legitimize their invasion to the Westerosi, who after all understand force much more clearly than diplomacy. After that first blitz, I can see them shifting gears in a major way, and in doing so shift the entire tone of their faction in the eyes of the lords and smallfolk alike. They will be beloved by the people, but diplomacy will cause massive division amongst the lords.
The Riverlands ARE where it's at. Will Arya return and hook up with Nymeria and her wolves? Will Brienne tell Jamie "It's a TRAP!"? Will the Blackfish turn up again?
I'm not sure Jon will come back as very human. He'll be wolfish, and he will have been dead for some amount of time. Don't know if he'll be in any physical or mental shape to have ANY kind of relationship with most other people, at least for a while.
What do we know? That’s easy. We know it’s never coming out!
I think this is going to be an obnoxiously large book, near impossible to publish in one volume and I am sure his publisher is desperate to sell it separately as two different books and he is fighting against this.
I think the last two books are both going to be split into two smaller books. I also potentially think he's finishing both books at the same time, meaning we will have 4 books released over a year
@@Misfits822 that would be amazing
@@killacure definitely pure optimism from me, but I do think he's doing work on dream of spring.
We know that it's NOT gonna happen... The last chronicle book was a Dance with Dragons in 2011. It's 2024, that 13 years ago. Book releases were 1996, 1998, 2000, 2005, and 2011. It ain't happening. He doesn't know how to end it. Tolkien had too many endings, GRRM has none.
I do think Dany's menses have returned and she is capable of chilbearing. Miiri Maaz Duur's curse sound less like a curse and more like a very cryptic telling of signs and portents in that she describes "when" things will occur. Not unlike the AA prophecy - when the stars bleed, etc. The stumbling block is when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east; which can never happen, unless you mistake the moon for the sun. This happens when Tyrion sees the monstrous blood bruised moon and asks Moqorro if the sunrise has moved to the West (ADWD). So the signs may be observed by POV characters other than Dany. A blood moon eclipse is an ominous sign and certainly has Benerro exercised.
The Dothraki seas drying up at the end of summer seems fairly obvious. Mountains blowing in the wind like leaves may refer to the pyramids in Mereen burnt and blowin ash in the wind. So it seems likely that Dany will bear another living child.
I'm also on board with the idea that Dany's ultimate sacrifice "for love", for her child and for humanity, will involve lighting the last fire. That she will play out the role of Nissa Nissa and her soul will ascend. She will see Drogo as he was the last time, his soul ascending from the funeral pyre. A bittersweet ending.
I think she miscarried - a very early one brought on by the berries she ate.
This is a stretch, but “The sun rising in the West and sets in the East” could be reference to Quentyn Martell? The “sun” of Sunspear, coming from Westeros and dying out in Meereen
In my opinion, Faceless men's agenda in Oldtown library has not so much to do with killing people for good but protecting the book that supposedly contains instructions on how to kill dragons. Yes, they are kind of obsessed with death, but the first thing you learn about them is that they are the most expensive, infallable assasins in existance, and the second is the story of their origin: the story about the gift of death, them being descendants of slaves who absolutely loathe this practice and are using all their power and means to bring it down. Dany's dragons are the key element in breaking slavemasters, however they are still young and vulnerable and too many people want them dead, inucluding the current owners of the book- measters (they were supposedly involved in previous extermination of dragons). Why else it is so heavily implied that the book called The death of dragons in under the key and that very key falls into the hands of Faceless men?
So the thought just hit me. JonCon isn't a show character, yet has greyscale. Jorah in the show gets greyscale, yet does not (thus far) in the books. Could it be they combined storylines a bit? Could it be JonCon that Sam cures of greyscale at the Citadel or elsewhere, instead of Jorah? Part of me doesn't think that particular plot-point won't happen to SOMEONE in the books, given how much of a plot point it was in the show and how we have Shireen as an example of someone surviving infection.
Looks like GRRM giving you in the pooper chomi x
It's funny how everyone's counting out rickon I hope he become the Lord of Winterfell and there is reasons why he will be
attempting to live forever. using medicine to unnaturally prolong your life. is a form of mortal sin.
Staying up until the wee hours of the morning in the UK. I applaud you, sir!
My theory is George will die having never completed his saga. Much the way Robert Jordan and Tolkien never finished their writings. These sorts of the epic fantasy setting seem to overwhelm authors after a certain point. I’m not angry with George at all. It’s his prerogative especially being that his Golden Years are fast diminishing I don’t blame him for wanting to spend the little time he has left living his life on his own terms.
Glad Mr. G.R.R.Martin is accepting his age.... people have been worried he'd Robert Jordan since Robert Jordan... and folks worried he'd not put the safety net prep in that Robert Jordan did.
In other words, folks feared he'd fail to finish.
I like the idea that the horn of winter releases the souls of the kings of winter from the Winterfell crypts. Perhaps binding them to the one who blows the horn. I think the horn itself is missing a metal band from the rim since it is not only cracked but the rim is chipped. Replacing the ring would compress the horn and seal the crack. At the moment I think Tormund has the missing ring, which he wears on his arm. He tells Jon he will not give it up and that it has been handed down to him by his father (ADWD). My guess is that Tormund is an ancestor of Joramun and this metal band has been passed down through the generations. Tormund "Horn Blower"may know the meaning of the runes on the band.
Is that the one he says he wears one his "member"? 😂
I think Jones will die by a faceless with Arya's face, I think aryan actually died. Breaking his heart. They want the dragons dead. Then it will turn out Meera is Jon's twin sister!
@@-zSoloSz- Yep. That's the one. He's not called Tall-Talker for nothing. 😀
@@lynnseguin6570 indeed lol. Also referred to as a horn also haha
@@-zSoloSz- LOL! I have no concerns that Euron will get hold of the horn of winter; since Tormund has the missing bit. But I do hope Sam gets his hands on a book of rune translations and a couple of glass candles on the way out..
Think the Jeyne Westerling was a Lannisster set up
Robert which happens first; TWOW release or United winning #21?
Lardass isn’t gonna finish this and you know it
Excellent stream! I’m sad I couldn’t watch it live. I agree with your point that certain beats of s8 will work better in the books because it will not be rushed. My feelings on s8 are that there was nothing wrong with where the characters ended up, the issue was that the endings didn’t feel deserved because it was all so stupidly rushed. They could have done mad queen dany, but instead we had 7 seasons of her trying to not be her father/refusing to go down certain paths only to have in the span of an episode to full on mad queen. We could have had Sansa as queen of the north had they done the Vale story and not the Jayne Pool storyline and show, not tell, that Sansa was surpassing Littlefinger and Cersei at playing the game. You could have had King Bran without it feeling like the show just pulled it out of nowhere. S8 to me ended at ep2, because the rest was just so upsetting to watch the characters we’d been with for 7 seasons get rushed and bs endings. A testament to the amazing acting cast and set crew for seeing it all through
Very well said.
Could break down winds of Winter in the 4 sections. And then after One week Discuss the 1st section after the 2nd week the 2nd section and so on and so forth or If there's like whatever one thinks in 1500 pages Or more Break it down to 250-500 pages a week.
I read some what slow and I feel like that's fairly Reasonable
10 minutes in and wondering if he is actually gonna talk about winds or not
I doubt the book will ever come out. He has written himself into a corner. Its similar to what happened with Tolkien and the Silmarillion. The TV ending and the reaction will make it even more difficult for him to do an ending.
First live stream watched, in deep geek kinna cute irl
ich weiß nicht was soll es bedeuten, dass ich so traurig bin. Ein märchen aus alten Zeiten, das kommt mir nicht aus dem Sinn.
What do you think will happen to Jorah in Winds? My fan theory was that Lynesse Hightower would show up in the story and that this would further complicate things between Jorah/Dany.
Robert, it's a miscarriage. That early on she wouldn't know she was pregnant. She is hungry, drinks water, and has an upset stomach - but the pain, cramps, bleeding, etc. Don't happen until after she eats the berries. She describes the plant as "a bush...twisted limbs covered in hard green berries". She also says, after biting into it, "tart and chewy, with a bitter aftertaste that seemed familiar to her". Juniper often grows in short, fluffy bushes with twisted branches. The berries in early fall are green, as Dany describes. The taste can easily be described as tart, with a bitter aftertaste. They are used often as spice in cooking, but eating handfuls of them will make you sick. Specifically, it causes nausea and diarrhea. And, most importantly to the point: they're an herbal abortifacient. An hour after she eats them she gets sick and can't keep going. She has the dream, and when she wakes up she has gotten her period. She clearly states that it has been about two months and it's the wrong time of the cycle. She has worse cramps and a heavier flow. It's a miscarriage. Or, rather, an accidential abortion...or the world's most coincidence-y coincidence.
This was fascinating! Of course juniper berries are used in making gin. Also a great lawn alternative if you get the right type of it that stays SHORT! Creeping Juniper means you can get rid of your lawnmower!
I had thought that whole scene was there to see Dany learning a lesson, just because she sees birds eating the berries does NOT mean a human can eat them.
Sure, she got her period early, but women can go off cycle when ill.
@@eric2500 you have to be REALLY ill for it to mess with your cycle, especially if you're as regular as her (that she is regular is implied by the fact that her period happens in the same phase of the moon every time.). Regardless, she doesn't get sick until after eating the berries. Before that she's only that like vaguely uncomfortable feeling you get when you drink water on an empty stomach and then engage in physical activity (like walking for miles.).
@Astra Inclinant MOON TEA! pennyroyal, yarrow, tansy, and juniper, it seems. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME.
Can you do the 'face changing' sound again?
Ramsey wrote the pink letter, he just wrote it on false information provided to him by the manderly's, because the manderly's and stannis destroyed the Frey soldiers on the lake, then stannis gave his sword to the manderly's who returned to Winterfell claiming victory and that they destroyed stannis and provided his sword as proof, then based on that information, ramsey wrote the pink letter....but stannis is still alive and going to sneak attack winterfell when the manderly's secretly let him in the back door.....Mance however, is dead.
I think the theory that mance wrote the letter is....really dumb for lack of a better phrase.....it makes absolutely no sense within the story and absolutely no sense on a meta level outside the story
Depending on how you move in relation to the background, it looks like George is either sneaking up behind you, or... doing something else very rude to you.
It's honestly a good visual for this stream.
I keep thinking George is going to tap Robert on the head and run away laughing. Any minute now!
Arya is going to be having too much potential value to the FM's to just kick out - they'll let her go after they frighten her a bit for her "misdeeds". They will say as well that she needs more training, and that she needs to stay with the actors to learn how to change appearances without the FMs and the bank of skins.... makeup, studying roles, becoming your character....ACTING.
Just finished the books now I'm itching for Winds, I feel for you guys who have been waiting so long.
Littlefinger will outfox everyone but himself. Sansa will wiggle out from uder his control- gradually seeing what a creep he is, how he's killing Robin slowly, and how he wants more and more power - it is never enough. He's the self made man type - never enough. Yet he thinks he is in control of his feelings for Sansa but he is not - he will cross a line....maybe Harry will kill him if he does it in public, in a reprise of his dual with Brandon Stark.
George Martin has obviously lost interest in A Song of Ice and Fire which is fine, because after all the delays and excuses people have appropriately abandoned the series.
Robert, you have some South African in you? That "eish" at 1:57:33 took me by surprise 😂
Hey, it would be cool if you ever covered the animated Lotr "trilogy". With the hobbit, the Lord of the rings, and the return of the king animated movies, while not technically meant to be a trilogy and the second film is made by a separate company, it kinda comes together.
I don’t know where the 3 hours and 20 minutes went!
Sorcery and magic was stronger and more potent in the past, so I wonder if the Valyrians cheated death and made themselves or their slaves immortal or partially undying, but the Faceless Men remember, hence all men must die.
George R. R. Martin is demotivated and distracted now that the bar was raised to high with expectation on him finishing his epic tale. The comparisons of his work to Tolkien's must make him burdensome, and the pressure and money he got with his new projects make him distracted.
Ps: Can you please make a short video about it? I would love it!
No rob is way to polite to ever talk about this frankly
@@ryandempsey4830 I think Rob's opinion on it is quite clear, GRRM isn't your bitch
I agree he is not "our bitch". But that doesnt change the fact that he is demotivated and burdensome with the pressure.
I personally think this live stream was one of the most insightful I've heard on ASOIAF
Loving this one, mate! I would love to see the prologue from either Blackfish’s perspective. Hate to lose him, but think he deserves a proper death as a hero for rescuing Jane. But, I also see the case for seeing it from Jane’s point of view, too. Thanks for another great stream, Ser Robert @ in deep geek Cheers! 🥂
At 2:05:20 - doesn't it look like George R R Martin is putting on a Robert face? ;-)
I think that it's safe to say that the release dates are meaningless.
Logical end point? HA! I will settle for a good story over logic!
No bodies because the men at the tower of joy are still alive maybe?
I D G !!!!!
What do we know so far? Four word answer: it’s taking too long.
I wonder if when Jon's spirit is in Ghost, will Ghost bark or howl, thus giving us a clue that Jon is in there.
I love the idea that the murderers will flee to the nightfort and jon/ghost will will have a horror scene hunt show in the spooky nightfort
Can’t wait for the Blood and Fire follow up stream!
Fire and blood?
I think I will listen and not watch. I am distracted by George sneaking up on Robert!
I mean it looks like any minute now George will tap him lightly on the head and run away laughing like a fool.😁😁
I think "Robert Strong" has no head.
I think Jamie and Cersi represent Adam and Eve and the first sin. We can see in his character that he is led astray.
More on the Riverlands - Jayne Westerling Stark might have Robb's will with her, as Company of the Cat has pointed out. And the Blackfish might free her from the guard Jamie assigned - or maybe the Brotherhood and LS will take her from her captors!
Re: the question about King Robert's suspicion of Jon, How many bastards do you think Robert sired on camp followers throughout the war? He probably didn't suspect Ned because he was all over the place himself.
I think we’ll get Winds, don’t think we’ll get a Dream of Spring. At least written in it’s entirety by GRRM. He’s taken over a decade to write Winds, if DoS takes that long then he’ll be mid 80’s. I hope he lives happily and healthily far beyond that, but ever year over 80 is above average
Hodor is gonna hold the door with his foot just like his grandpa duncan the tall did. Tho while being warged by bran and hodor will be knighted and bran will thus be a knight- LML
Jayne Westerling Stark is being moved OUT of the picture of the main action. Who stops this, if anybody?
Cersei is gonna use the wildfire bombs to take out Aegon at his coronation. "Fire cannot kill the dragon" proving (in the minds of the people) that he wasn't a true dragon :D just a fun idea
I wish I can read books till the end. And I wish they are nothing like tv show...
I wish Starks are dead. Their end is idiotic. Totally. And I was team Stark all the way...
From the livestream chat; Reflective Rambling wants to see Arya / Mercy play in a serious drama, not just a farce. Cool idea, especially for anyone who has ever been nibbled on, let alone bitten, by the acting bug!
However, a farce - or a serious drama - with the Tyrion like character as a villain is going to be a hit in Cersei's Kings Landing, maybe even at Court- if some playwright in the company, much in the manner of Shakespeare and his predecessors, change up the play a little bit and take it on the road.
The company will head out on tour of the Free Cities and then Westeros!
But Aldarion and Erendis says quiet the opposite about Numenorian culture to how Amazon seams to want to portray it. Sometimes I think they are quiet happy to not have the rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished tales, and history of middle earth plus nature of middle earth, because the nobody, can tell them their show is Fanfic with namedrops.
That it's never coming out!! lol.
The Winds of Winter will definitely come out at some point. A Dream of Spring, on the other hand, will likely never see release.
Jon being wolfish - it's too bad there aren't any of the other dire wolves around to help Jon connect with people again. Val has a connection with Ghost - I wonder if that will be her role, to reconnect Jon with humans.
I dont know if we euron will actually "call" forth a kraken but maybe the sea battle he has causes so much commotion on the seas that a kraken comes up from the depths and wrecks carnage on everyone
1:24:28
I agree that Stannis will die but he is not yet a spent force. His role and character have long been a favourite of mine.
I've always assumed "all men must die" refers to the natural order of things. I hadn't really thought about it as a tenet of a faith, as an agenda, but I like that idea.
I missed this live but thanks so much for this Robert - amazing job (and stamina!) as always. Thanks for the insight on the Faceless Men, I hadn't thought about it from the point of view of them being actually part of what Westeros needs right now with all the raising of wights going on. So is there a question/point here of how Arya will deal/cope with both Jon and Caitlyn, as they will be wights, if she is even partly indoctrinated by the Faceless Men? And it does seem to make more sense to me now why she was the one to kill the Night King in the show...
32:16 - I think for Euron the place that I start off at is the assumption that Euron is one of the only people in the setting who truly understands how magic works and his plans reflect that.
Personally, I am of the belief that magic in ASoIaF works on a combination of belief and sacrifice. One has to believe that a sacrifice is valuable and the more people believe a sacrifice is valuable the more powerful it is and then one has to believe in the effects as well. I think the praying priests Euron ties to his ships are the element of belief and I think the priests, the ships themselves (and the people on them) from both fleets will be the sacrifice. And I think Euron will then use this magical power released to "become a god" in his words.
Now what that actually means is up to interpretation. You could take it literally but I don't think that's the most likely.
Personally, I think Sam has the Horn of Winter. The Horn of Winter is currently broken but Euron's grand sacrifice will generate the magical power required to fix the horn. Then I think Sam will blow the horn to sound the alarm of the Ironborn coming from the top of the Hightower (or on the roof of the Citadel) and it will unexpectedly (since he doesn't know what it truly is) generate an earthquake which will destroy the rest of Euron's fleet and tear down the walls of Oldtown. Then I think Euron will claim the horn from Sam and by the end of the book I think Euron will make it to Eastwatch where he will blow the Horn of Winter a second time and thereby tear down The Wall with the resulting earthquake.
How does that relate to him becoming a god? I think in Euron's conception his ability to bring down cities with a blast of his horn and bring down the wall to end the entire world counts as him "being a god" as he has the same arbitrary and extreme power that a god might have and everyone else is at his mercy. I think it's that arbitrary and extreme power over everyone that he refers to when he talks about "being a god."
Oh, and his own child of course also counts as sacrificing king's blood.
Euron doesn't believe in anything. Euron killed his brother and pissed in the ocean to prove there is no god. He is torturing these people to open their minds to the astral plain. It's very Oden like where great sacrifice is necessary for great power.
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About that letter from dorne to aegon, could it be something about threat of others that Martin told that aegon wanted to unite westeros to fight that threat that was coming later.
Video analysing all the parallels between Hobb's Assassin series and ASOIAF please Robert!
So THAT'S what you look like! I expected you to be a lot more medieval...
I don't see Arya playing the game. Influencing it, yes.
1:00:43 sorry, what word was this? Lead ass? My captions are saying "lettuce" lol
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I agree that Stannis will die but he is not yet a spent force. His role and character have long been a favourite of mine. Very interested to see how he impacts the ending events..
The word is the name of a character. Alleras or something
Nuncle bugs the crap out of me worse than every other word he uses in those books
at this point, I think the final books will never come.
Books of of the show much better. From South Africa
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It will not be finished
Spoilers for fire and blood and thus house of the dragon:
3:18:35 If both dragon riders died how does history know what they said to each other?
Prince Aemond's mistress, Alys Rivers, was there. I guess she could have lied, but there was one witness
Didn't Daemon have an alliance with Pentos?
I think we'll get WINDS, but I highly doubt we'll get DREAM. Too many distractions. That last big blog post where he pretty much goes back on everything he said he was gonna hold off on until WINDS was done has confirmed it for me. I don't get it. This is is magnum opus. What he will be remembered for. You'd think he'd put all energy into it. But HBO shows up with their "truck load" of money and that's it.
“Mance is a very Abel person.”
Davos: Bagheera
Rickon: Mowgli