Guys, thanks but I was joking 😂 Just glad that one of the greatest and most entertaining mtg players ever publishes daily, and I don't seek a way to make these quality videos last less (it's actually the contrary!) since I really enjoy them: for me it's not a race to consume more contents in less time!
I think you missed lethal at 58:38 . You could have oko'd your sylvan caryatid, minused on garruk, sacrificed the summoning sick token to natural order, gotten craterhoof for +4/+4, that's 16 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 5 = 26, and they h ave 6 toughness to block, dealing 20 damage to their 19 health. I think the only thing you lose to is snuff out.
Cube really is special. The first experience I had with cube was playing my grand prix winning friends cube which had unlimited dual lands and other awesome cards I had never seen before. I learned just how good Jitte is by completely destroying packrat with it. I isochron sceptered a doom blade against mono white. I played rock lobster against my opponent's scissors lizard. Good times.
Loved hearing your plans for this channel on the previous LR (last ~20 min of ep710), sounds like there are no plans to slow down Vintage cubing is fantastic news for all of us! Love the content!
It’s such a shame that you didn’t get the eternal witness. You could have had an infinite time walk loop with ephemerate. Still a very cool deck! Time Walk is my favorite power
For what it's worth, in M1G3, you just had the win on board by doing green sun's zenith for craterhoof with 4 attackers in play (you don't even need to tap an elf to get there) + craterhoof. That is less sweet than casting atraxa, but it is a virtually guaranteed win.
Skullclamp is probably more powerful than NO and hoof combined. It's just a ridiculous card with busted numbers. There's no reason why it had to draw TWO cards per single mana activation. It's the Oko of Equipment.
@@Kumagoro42 I know. I was just worried about him having the critical mass of creatures on the board while still using it to draw cards, since the 2 strats don't always work well together. I'm not saying the card isn't powerful, just that it might be at ends with the win cons of this particular deck sometimes, lol.
Garruk overrun is more damage. In fact your line isn't leathel. Maybe you forgot you had to sac for natural order. He has lethal: Natural order any creature for hoof, turn any other creature into a 3/3, over run garruk, you swing for 29 he blocks for 6. Snuffout gets use pretty good as he saves his sheldred, and we're probably pretty dead. Not that that's why he didn't do it, he clearly forgot garrukl over run, because who wouldn't forget it.
@@masonashlock5461 The elk caryatid line is lethal though. Elk caryatid, make a beast, sac the beast with summoning sickness to natural order, hoof enters the battlefield, gives +4/+4 to all, that's a 7/7 caryatid, 5/6 halfling, 5/6 beast token, 9/9 hoof. That's 26 trample damage with 6 toughness on opponent's board. 26-6=20, opponent was at 19, that's lethal. Not saying it's the best play, but it was lethal unless I'm missing something.
@@masonashlock5461 Oh for sure, Luis was so far ahead; it would've been tough to lose from that spot and I like playing around snuff out there too. And just thinking about it now, elk sheoldred is lethal by exactsies too, so that's a better line than elking caryatid...
"If you keep watching them, I'll keep making them." I go to see how many views. 21,000 in 12 hours! Geez. You are combining my two favorite things. Team draft and vintage cube.
I also don't like people running Snow lands when it wouldn't be legal to (like in a cube where you have to actually draft them). I imagine they weren't giving any advantage to the BR player and asked the opponents beforehand, but still.
58:00 i think it's sac tusk either way, since it's safer, but nat order for craterhoof + garruk ulti is +6+6 trample for each creature, even 2 1/1's would win (since craterhoof is already 5/5)
It's lethal, as he swings for 29. He clearly just forgot garruk overrun which is honestly pretty understandable. We probably loose to exactly snuffout, but that's not why he didn't go for it.@@dudaseifert
Is there any chance that Koma was just a better NO target and ramp payoff? Koma usually closes out the game very quickly, plus its way more castable than Atraxa was.
Real talk, I think prob is a top 30 card in the cube. Yes, obviously Knowing your opponents hand is good. but more then that you always play it, it’s free, it has nice synergies. Just all around busted.
i know this is a team draft and you try to do your best, but i kinda miss your stipulation drafts to be honest 😂pls consider doing some of them when mtgo cube is back! 💜
Lsv if dryad arbor was in the cube(if it isn’t already) would you take/value it high in this deck considering you have green suns and a ton of mana forks already? Or is it to slow in cube?
in my experience, tracker is the best green payoff with nissa who shakes the world, whereas sakura is a very replaceable ramp effect, I would have taken tracker for sure
Can anyone explain why Luis doesn't like Explore in his green decks? Around 10:30 he walks through some potential picks and doesn't even mention Explore. It costs 2, and doesn't necessarily always fix the way that Sakura Tribe Elder can for example. But it does replace itself. I'd love if someone could explain why Explore isn't great I'd appreciate that
He kind of explained it in another pick. Natural order is a very good reason to want creatures as your ramp method. The only real reason to even take explore is because we have snapcaster. It's just pretty mid in decks like this, first you have to have an extra land, so drawing it late is brutal. You can draw elder whenever and it's always going not only fix your mana, but also gain you life, maybe stop something from attacking, sacing to natural order, sacing to skullclamp. Even at it's best (turn 2, with like 3 more lands in hand), it lets us what? Turn 3 garruk? And that's literally it? Seems bad. Doesn't help us get to natural order, because we'd need a dork, but the dork would already do that for us.
@@itsallenwow Also, you need a high land count for Explore to be worth it. A card that just cycles for 2 more often than not is pretty bad, as paying two mana at sorcery speed is a huge tempo cost (Growth Spiral would be better because you can keep instants up alongside it). There are specific decks that want Explore, not any green deck (in fact, not very many green-heavy decks want it).
Too slow for Vintage. Too many things can go wrong where you NO for Koma, they sword it, you concede because you wasted hand and board resources and they had a one-mana answer that just disintegrated your tempo. Finishers need to accrue immediate value in Vintage.
@lsv If you are going to refer to all of your opponents with gender neutral singular pronouns (they) you still have to use singular verbs instead of plural verbs. Eg. "They is going to attack me here" You keep saying things like "They (singular) are (plural) going to attack me here"
@@sjake8308 Um Ackshuly 🤓, in standard English grammar, "are" is the plural form of "to be" if you are using "they" as a singular pronoun, the correct sentence would be "they is going to attack me" this is unconventional and sounds foreign but it is technically more correct than saying "are" since "are," in reference to "they," modifies the sentence to make "they" plural. Not trying to hate or anything. Just another weird English thing lol
Lsv, would you consider charity auctions to draft with you? That would be cool and I would donate to join. No pressure if that's not the route you want to go
Please Luis, have mercy! I have stuff to do, can't spend almost 2 hours every day watching these golden, free contents.
have you tried x2 velocity?
Luis' voice and cadence does well with increased playback speed. I'll usually so 1.5 or 1.75
7 days a week?! LSV is a monster!!!!
i just spam +5 seconds button
Guys, thanks but I was joking 😂
Just glad that one of the greatest and most entertaining mtg players ever publishes daily, and I don't seek a way to make these quality videos last less (it's actually the contrary!) since I really enjoy them: for me it's not a race to consume more contents in less time!
If LSV had a doll, “I can have Time Walk and complain about not opening power.” would definitely be one of the lines it says.
Talk about a two for one
Another would be "If I could make the cards in my hand better, my hand would be better".
"This card is just messed up"
"Look what I did. For value."
„We‘re not forcing storm here, buuut…“
21:10 Deckbuilding starts
23:59 Match 1
51:26 Match 2
1:11:10 Match 3
I feel so bad for LSV, the most unlucky pack opener, he gets passed more power than he opens!
Hank living his best life with those insane play line ups.
I think you missed lethal at 58:38 . You could have oko'd your sylvan caryatid, minused on garruk, sacrificed the summoning sick token to natural order, gotten craterhoof for +4/+4, that's 16 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 5 = 26, and they h ave 6 toughness to block, dealing 20 damage to their 19 health. I think the only thing you lose to is snuff out.
Exactly right and I did the same math a few times like wait a min😂🤔🤔🤷♂️
Cube really is special.
The first experience I had with cube was playing my grand prix winning friends cube which had unlimited dual lands and other awesome cards I had never seen before. I learned just how good Jitte is by completely destroying packrat with it. I isochron sceptered a doom blade against mono white. I played rock lobster against my opponent's scissors lizard. Good times.
Reading Jitte makes you wonder why it is busted. Playing Jitte makes it obvious
Loved hearing your plans for this channel on the previous LR (last ~20 min of ep710), sounds like there are no plans to slow down Vintage cubing is fantastic news for all of us! Love the content!
Your cube drafts are a ray of sunshine in my day. Thanks pal for the awesome content!
Haven't played MTG in 2 years but I find myself coming back daily to watch these damn cube drafts! Love the content LSV
It’s such a shame that you didn’t get the eternal witness. You could have had an infinite time walk loop with ephemerate. Still a very cool deck! Time Walk is my favorite power
Still having a blast watching these everyday, keep it up.
Gotta be honest bro the drafts are keepin me goin. Thank you dude
For what it's worth, in M1G3, you just had the win on board by doing green sun's zenith for craterhoof with 4 attackers in play (you don't even need to tap an elf to get there) + craterhoof. That is less sweet than casting atraxa, but it is a virtually guaranteed win.
I was skeptical about Skullclamp alongside Natural Order and Craterhoof, but man was M1G3 an insane display!
Skullclamp is probably more powerful than NO and hoof combined. It's just a ridiculous card with busted numbers. There's no reason why it had to draw TWO cards per single mana activation. It's the Oko of Equipment.
@@Kumagoro42 I know. I was just worried about him having the critical mass of creatures on the board while still using it to draw cards, since the 2 strats don't always work well together. I'm not saying the card isn't powerful, just that it might be at ends with the win cons of this particular deck sometimes, lol.
Lethal missed at 58:28! Turn caryatid into a 3/3, make a 3/3 with garruk, hoof!
Garruk overrun is more damage. In fact your line isn't leathel. Maybe you forgot you had to sac for natural order. He has lethal: Natural order any creature for hoof, turn any other creature into a 3/3, over run garruk, you swing for 29 he blocks for 6. Snuffout gets use pretty good as he saves his sheldred, and we're probably pretty dead. Not that that's why he didn't do it, he clearly forgot garrukl over run, because who wouldn't forget it.
@@masonashlock5461 The elk caryatid line is lethal though. Elk caryatid, make a beast, sac the beast with summoning sickness to natural order, hoof enters the battlefield, gives +4/+4 to all, that's a 7/7 caryatid, 5/6 halfling, 5/6 beast token, 9/9 hoof. That's 26 trample damage with 6 toughness on opponent's board. 26-6=20, opponent was at 19, that's lethal. Not saying it's the best play, but it was lethal unless I'm missing something.
@@CptSteiner I didn't think to sac the new 3/3 haha. To many different things going on :P
@@masonashlock5461 Oh for sure, Luis was so far ahead; it would've been tough to lose from that spot and I like playing around snuff out there too. And just thinking about it now, elk sheoldred is lethal by exactsies too, so that's a better line than elking caryatid...
This is one of my all time favourite archetypes
Happy to see how much you're playing Thragtusk. It's my favorite magic card!
"If you keep watching them, I'll keep making them." I go to see how many views. 21,000 in 12 hours! Geez. You are combining my two favorite things. Team draft and vintage cube.
LSV love your videos! Would be awesome to see a future video where you do a cube analysis+deck techs. I've learned alot from watching you!
i never thought basic land choices mattered until sandydog played three different plains and it hurt me spiritually
I also don't like people running Snow lands when it wouldn't be legal to (like in a cube where you have to actually draft them). I imagine they weren't giving any advantage to the BR player and asked the opponents beforehand, but still.
I love how he says “I’ll hate the ephemerate” as the last pick lol.
That second round was frustrating. Basically he always had it
Literally perfect draws
58:25 Had lethal at Oko your Sylvan, Garruk Token, Natural Order token for Hoof
58:00 i think it's sac tusk either way, since it's safer, but nat order for craterhoof + garruk ulti is +6+6 trample for each creature, even 2 1/1's would win (since craterhoof is already 5/5)
58:44 unless i'm not seeing something, isn't natural order for crater lethal?, he has 6 defense, you have 1+1+5+18 dmg
not even considering exchanging control of the tapped caryatid for the sheoldred, which would remove 5 defense
It's lethal, as he swings for 29. He clearly just forgot garruk overrun which is honestly pretty understandable. We probably loose to exactly snuffout, but that's not why he didn't go for it.@@dudaseifert
@@masonashlock5461 we don't lose since he'd still not have a board
Yeah, I feel like Garruk ultimate was undervalued. You can do that the turn right after you play it, and it's Overrun.
Day 2 of telling LSV I like his vintage cube drafts. They're cool.
If I put the effort with which I watch the lsv videos to watch movies, I would have already seen Godard's filmography
The question isn't does LSV have a vintage cube problem. The question is do you have a watching LSV play vintage cube problem?
This deck needed a Parallax Wave (as is true of all decks without Parallax Wave).
Natural Order / Time walk/ Craterhoof is my favorite green deck
Isn't koma a pretty reasonable natural order target because you can also cast it easily *and* you can exile it to forces early?
Is there any chance that Koma was just a better NO target and ramp payoff? Koma usually closes out the game very quickly, plus its way more castable than Atraxa was.
"Now I can just snapcaster mage natural order... the usual play" 😂
These are so good. I think would be sweet to mix in some 3v3 team drafts of old formats. Like use draftmancer to do an IPA draft?
Real talk, I think prob is a top 30 card in the cube. Yes, obviously Knowing your opponents hand is good. but more then that you always play it, it’s free, it has nice synergies. Just all around busted.
What I learned most from this video is that Time Walk is pretty good with other cards.
This deck is an oracle of mul daya or opposition away from being my brains idea of a the quintessential lsv cube deck
Gotta say, i was impressed with garruks performance in this deck. Pretty good for one of the lorwyn 5
never lucky enough to open power but does get passed time walk in these team cube drafts like once a week.
I know it’s a big ask, but id love to see lsv rate all the cards in cube. Like a tier list or ranking.
This is not an official cube, though.
I might do a tier list at some point, maybe it would make a good video
i know this is a team draft and you try to do your best, but i kinda miss your stipulation drafts to be honest 😂pls consider doing some of them when mtgo cube is back! 💜
Lsv if dryad arbor was in the cube(if it isn’t already) would you take/value it high in this deck considering you have green suns and a ton of mana forks already? Or is it to slow in cube?
Well you don’t want too much of one role player in a deck, so I suspect LSV would rather go for some mana spoons and maybe a mana knife.
you both need to get out of the kitchen finks.
😂
I don't think Arbor is in this cube. At least, I haven't seen it even once and I watched a dozen of these videos.
garruk did work in this deck loved that pick over library
That Garruk put some work, also that's a lot of hard casting Atraxas
Kind of sad that you passed on the Channel, I heard the card is pretty good.
And there was Eureka in the last pack! He totally didn't comment on it on purpose.
Love the 8mans. Probably can't put that in title?
Appreciate the daily content LSV, keep it up as long as you enjoy!
Why do you never take koma? It was castable here, pitchable to fow and was a secondary nat order target in case you drew atraxa
The p1 p12 cityscape leveler in case you get the channel you passed p1 p2 was sort of funny xD
@1:16:08 "I'm gonna pass on parallax wave"? I thought we never passed parallax wave
I can see why that dude HankTheObese is the trophy leader in the league. Can't be any worst with that kind of luck
he can't keep getting away with it. Bottom oko and garruk?! find exactly the card you need????
in my experience, tracker is the best green payoff with nissa who shakes the world, whereas sakura is a very replaceable ramp effect, I would have taken tracker for sure
If anybody still doubts the power of Oko in cube, this draft should make them see the light.
Time walk is probably the top card on my pack 1 pick 1 priority. What could he have taken to pass time walk?
lotus?
I've taken Ancestral over Time Walk
lotus or sol ring probably
he took lotus
@@madsblumensaatImagine opening Lotus and Time Walk.
01:11:09
Who need a good deck when you have all everytime?
more cube louis, more cube!
For anyone curious, all plainswalkers are legendary.
Can anyone explain why Luis doesn't like Explore in his green decks? Around 10:30 he walks through some potential picks and doesn't even mention Explore.
It costs 2, and doesn't necessarily always fix the way that Sakura Tribe Elder can for example. But it does replace itself. I'd love if someone could explain why Explore isn't great I'd appreciate that
He kind of explained it in another pick. Natural order is a very good reason to want creatures as your ramp method. The only real reason to even take explore is because we have snapcaster. It's just pretty mid in decks like this, first you have to have an extra land, so drawing it late is brutal. You can draw elder whenever and it's always going not only fix your mana, but also gain you life, maybe stop something from attacking, sacing to natural order, sacing to skullclamp. Even at it's best (turn 2, with like 3 more lands in hand), it lets us what? Turn 3 garruk? And that's literally it? Seems bad. Doesn't help us get to natural order, because we'd need a dork, but the dork would already do that for us.
This is a great explainer thank you!
The natural order piece is really true; especially when he has so much early ramp that he can use to sac
@@itsallenwow Also, you need a high land count for Explore to be worth it. A card that just cycles for 2 more often than not is pretty bad, as paying two mana at sorcery speed is a huge tempo cost (Growth Spiral would be better because you can keep instants up alongside it). There are specific decks that want Explore, not any green deck (in fact, not very many green-heavy decks want it).
"If I could change the cards in my hand to be better, my hand *would* be better "
Might be easier to tell us what’s not good with time walk 😅
Rec Sage and Thragtusk have old frame art from TSR :(
Poor Sandydog always type casted as the white weenie drafter and will get hated on when LSV is passing.
shame the magic 30 draft is ending really enjoyed it also no bangs in this one
Time walk is nice and all but it's just a blue explore.
whoo more 4vs4!
59:08 that atraxa pile is disgusting
oko fart-thief of smellcrowns
That match against hanktheobese was disappointing. I hate it when someone just draws perfect like he's Yu-Gi-Oh Pharaoh or something
Still never lucky, never opening power :P
Cuts land
Screws
Proof that LSV's expert greed can be punished
59:40. Couldn't you make caryatid an elk make a beast natural order the beast token get hoof and smash for 32
It would be 26 not 32, but yeah still lethal damage.
Day 2 of asking Luis to give Ruin Grinder a chance
I think Ruin Grinder may have been banished from the cube as we haven't seen it in the last two videos.
@@sjake8308I think it was a troll inclusion to begin with. The Storm Crow of this cube.
The thumb nails spoil me everytime 😅
Yeah, I wish they could be spoiler free. I get that content creators need some sort of hook in the title, but I do wonder if there's a better way.
Day 2 of asking Luis to open power.
Lost too many games to crummy mana. Bad deck for wasteland.
Wasteland was fine, it was basically a spell in that deck. LSV had something like 16 other lands and 6 accelerants.
Day 1 of criticising LSV's keeps: th-cam.com/video/jlp-SlkBfD4/w-d-xo.html
Day one of asking other viewers to STOP their pathetic 'day xxx requests'
Koma seems much better than atraxa in this deck
Really? Every time LSV got Atraxa into play he drew four or five cards. Koma kind of does the thing Hornet Queen does but more slowly.
Too slow for Vintage. Too many things can go wrong where you NO for Koma, they sword it, you concede because you wasted hand and board resources and they had a one-mana answer that just disintegrated your tempo. Finishers need to accrue immediate value in Vintage.
first
Day 2 of asking LSV to draft by taking the worst card of each pack
Hey, that's a backdoor way to get him to draft Eureka!
@@Kumagoro42 shh
@lsv If you are going to refer to all of your opponents with gender neutral singular pronouns (they) you still have to use singular verbs instead of plural verbs.
Eg. "They is going to attack me here"
You keep saying things like
"They (singular) are (plural) going to attack me here"
Lol
@@Gaming_Duck if he doesn't he is transphobic ;)
@@burtreynoldz6308 lol taking it to the extreme I see. I guess it is it's logical conclusion
He says it that way because it's correct. Congratulations on demonstrating your ignorance of how the English language works to the internet.
@@sjake8308 Um Ackshuly 🤓, in standard English grammar, "are" is the plural form of "to be" if you are using "they" as a singular pronoun, the correct sentence would be "they is going to attack me" this is unconventional and sounds foreign but it is technically more correct than saying "are" since "are," in reference to "they," modifies the sentence to make "they" plural.
Not trying to hate or anything. Just another weird English thing lol
Lsv, would you consider charity auctions to draft with you? That would be cool and I would donate to join. No pressure if that's not the route you want to go