I worked at the post office hauling the mail. I've seen packages tossed ten feet or more into bins. I'm very interested in trying one of Danny's dyi designs. Congratulations on your great looking and sounding purchase.
Great points on subs. I've been interested to hear someone's take on these speakers with a box sub. This supports something I've suspected. You points on modular cabinets for these speakers is something I've wondered about as well. My cabinet concerns are the main reason I haven't bought a pair of these just yet. I'm a pretty good wood worker and there are mods I've considered but I debate with myself because the value of the DIY nature here runs the risk of being diminished. I have a tendency to take things too far.
I'm a new follower. I built the little L Encore kit for my 2.1 setup and very happy. Watching most of this series showed your dedication. Thanks for your channel and your interest.
Just a note on the way the driver is shipped, they've switched to using a box with custom formed foam. When I built a pair of their Encores a few years ago the drivers came with the spacers you described, but recently I built their NX-Otica and the drivers were shipped in individual boxes, encased in foam.
I’m a fan of Danny’s I will never build these, but I imagine they are glorious. I did his LRS plus upgrade and it transformed that speaker. I use a sealed subwoofer and to me the value is off the charts.
Been waiting for this one! In all the GR speakers I’ve owned with these drivers, none have ever failed on me. I totally understand how someone would feel they lack in quality, it’s mostly the plastic frame which is purposely made that way to avoid resonances/ringing. As for amplifiers, I highly recommend a Purifi based amplifier but they impart zero warmth or color to a sound. Class D is great because not only is it now technically superior, but the energy savings make me want to use a system more. It doesn’t cost a lot more to use a Class A or A/B, but it’s a mental thing lol I have an open baffle subwoofer and love it, but it can’t be placed as conveniently as a sealed box, so I would probably just go sealed next time for that reason. Seaton or Rhythmik all day for me. Hope you keep these longterm… it’s hard to do it, but the quality level is hard to beat.
I'll definitely be keeping them a long time. I had to assemble them in the room because it would be almost impossible for me to bring up the stairs solo. I probably could get them down the stairs ok, but these should be my endgame speakers.
It is interesting to hear about real world experiences, but I am looking more for the actual science behind things and have not found that here - or in the review one year later. Keep up the good work even if I have other opinions.
Not sure if you realize that the actual designer of the speaker has a TH-cam channel for those details. Look up "GR Research" Anechoic data and what parts are used can be found on the website for the speaker, so I'm not sure what you are specifically looking for.
I have the SHD. I use it as EQ, and crossover for my Sanders Sound 10c. It is an incredibly powerful tool, indeed. I replaced the DBX Venu360 🤮🤮 paired with the PS Audio GCD. This was a huge leap forward! I am still tweaking and learning after 2 months.
Cool. Used correctly... It's an invaluable tool. Used wrong... It can screw things up or give less than optimal results as I'm sure you've noticed as you played with it longer.
Thanks! Really interesting series with tons of info. Your approach of using the NXtremes as a near field speaker is unique. You mention the smaller room, and I am wondering what the size of your room? And if/how it is treated? I have a pretty small space 11'x20', kind of odd shape and was wondering if the NXoticas would work in a similar fashion.
My other videos show my room and treatments in more detail... Especially one in the subwoofer series. The nxoticas should work fine in your room, but I have no first hand experience with them.
For me, it's an easy choice even if they were the same price. I prefer what I have because of my own baffle preference. See my latest video for more details
I’m planning to get either the Otica or the Extreme for a 55’ x 33’ x 12’ well treated room. I’ve only heard the GR Research via the internet, but the NX Otica seem to sound more natural, holographic and “real”. Is that wrong?
Thanks for the honest review! I'm not trying to be negative, but it doesn't sound like an end all speaker like Danny claims! Especially with off the shelf cheap drivers! Subscribed!
Thanks... The answer is both "yes" and "no". In terms of performance, it can rival the cost no object speakers with proper subs, DSP and room treatments. In fact, it will beat many of them... the ceiling of performance possible in many areas is better. However, the quality of the cabinet and drivers isn't among the best in the industry. It's a great compromise of trade-offs though... Especially for a DIY kit.. You really can't ask for much more.
Hi Can you comment on the sweet spot characteristics. Many years ago I tested Martin Logan Summit at my home for two weeks. The sweet spot was very narrow and you could not move your head much. Is this type of open baffle speaker similar to electrostats in that respect?
This speaker is pretty good off axis. If you watch my video on measurements, those results are actually a combination of 9 measurements near the sweet spot, but at least a couple feet deviation. The numbers are even better at the sweet spot, but you can see that there is very little decline off axis within reason. Danny has results on the website he took. I've had electrostatic and it won't be near the same issue. With those. As soon a your head is higher than the panel, the sound is terrible. Horizontally, you should be much better off too.
@@AudiophileJunkie Thanks for the answer. So three people sitting side by side can enjoy music/film, even it is of course optimal in the middle. How did you detect the failed driver? Did you hear it directly, or by measurements, or by listening to each driver by itself?
Did you choose to use the miniDSP to do the crossover from the NX-Extremes to the REL? What slope and frequency did you use for your system? BTW, I am using a miniDSP 2X4HD with dual closed box Rythmik F-15HD and using ARC with an AVM-60 for my correction above the subs.
Yes.. I'll have a video on it soon where I walk through the crossover to the subs. It's fairly complex and will depend on the specific subs and main speakers. Thus, I'm not sure the exact values will translate to everyone, but the process and theory I use may be helpful. In short, I like to roll them over lower than most people and use steep curves to prevent the subs and main speakers overlapping much into higher frequencies. I also create a bandpass on the sub to prevent it from doing stuff really low. I'll have more details soon in the video.
Great info. Really enjoy your balanced commonsense approach. You do a nice job of imparting your considerable experience without sounding like an audiofile D bag.
Thanks... Unfortunately, there are plenty of know-it-all pretenders giving bad advice and acting like "dbags" in this hobby, so that was part of the motivation taking my channel public. I appreciate that feedback.
Chipamps can be good and neutral. You just need to go composite. A composite chip amp is the most cost-effective way of getting hifi sound IMO. Simple TDA or LM circuit can get you even -115dB THD+N. There aren't many circuits, but I saw one guy assemble a quick and dirt cheap amp on a prototype board and it was something like -105dB of THD. It wasn't a lot of power, but definitely good enough to power individual drivers in an active floorstander.
Just bought the NX Oticas and found your videos very helpful in seeing how you put them together - which I'm about to start. Thanks for making the videos. However, I'm really surprised you like the Mini-DSP. I think Dirac is great, but I returned the Mini-DSP and paid the restocking fee. Their preamp section sounded MUCH worse than my Schiit Freya, even when I bypassed the Mini-DSP's mediocre DAC and went into my Yggy. Somebody like Innuos or Lumin needs to integrate Dirac into some really good equipment. After I got off my behind and spent more time (about 4 hours) fine tuning the positioning of my current speakers - Tekton 2-10 Perfect SET - I didn't miss the Dirac anymore. Danny says it will be no contest between the NX Oticas and the Tektons. I've owned speakers that cost 5 times more than the Tektons and I like the Tektons better. It will be great to compare.
I'm not a Tekton fan at all so we might have different tastes. To be honest...I think the minidsp was showing you the weakness in Tektons and not vice versa. From an engineering perspective, the SHD has impeccable measurements in both DAC and preamp qualities. It should be revealing and accurate assuming you didn't have a defective one. Once you get the oticas built, it will be interesting to see if your tastes have changed, or you still prefer Tektons. Best of luck with the build!
Yes...it's something I considered since that's how my Wisdom Adrenalines are designed (except they use an analog active crossover). However, I wanted to see how the NXtremes performed in my room with no EQ and just passive crossover as intended. The hybrid approach seems to work well, but it would be fun to go full active as a comparison...it would take a ton of stuff out the signal path and allow the amp power to go straight to the driver. Theoretically, I would need 6 channels of amplification to do it like my Wisdom Adrenaline speakers, so it's probably something to add to my "fantasy cost-no-object thoughts".
If you're removing drivers a lot into an MDF box, try squirting resin wood glue into the hole. RESIN W is the brand leader here, but I'm sure Home Depot have similar. Not sure how having a gasket would help "soft" mdf...
When are we going to get Stephanie's review of these? LOL. I also had an issue with one of the M-165 drivers on my NX Otica and had to return it, but I've been rocking without it and hardly notice anything is missing. Also agree the fit and finish of those drivers leaves something to be desired. I see some discoloration on the outer ring, but it's not really that bad.
Nah... I usually stay out of the drama and all the passive aggressive videos. Frankly, I haven't watched them all, but there's a lot of truth behind what I've seen. However, they also have a fair share of motivation from narcissism, insecurity, and/or click bait. In the membership section, I have a video on what reviewers I trust and call out some guys, but I don't like public call outs. I have called out things in general and stereophile, but punching down on these just trying to make a living with TH-cam reviews isn't worth my time. I do enjoy watching though :)
@@AudiophileJunkie Yes, i'm in Cypress. I've been there with a buddy of mine who knows them. It would be great to have a good group of audiophiles in the area to connect with.
@@AudiophileJunkie I'd love Magnepan 1.7i's, but have been warned that they need walls as boundaries, using the room as a cabinet, and that they'd be terrible in a big tall untreated space like mine. Is that true? Klipsch Cornwalls were recommended, but I hate their metallic over-resonant "live" coloration. Aside from Maggies, I hear the sound I want from Spatial Audio Lab Sapphires and GR NX-Otica or NX-tremes -- all 3 open baffle. Any thoughts?
They roll off in my room at 30hz. Check out my video on measurements to get more details. Essentially they are full range, but it will be room dependent and how much you care about getting to the 20hz threshold.
@@AudiophileJunkie thanks for the response, I wasn’t sure about the STR pre amp DAC and sound staging etc also using Anthem ARC Genesis, I use the AVM90 now for my theater and it’s great gear, thinking to pair the STR separates with my NX Tremes for a nice 2ch system. A couple of REL no32 would be nice also but I can’t justify the price for them. Maybe a pair of SVS Ultra SB16?
22:30 you are correct. PS Audio has turned away from servo. the FR30 now has 4-8" woofers & 4-10" passive radiators. th-cam.com/video/bJAYzqCmcsc/w-d-xo.html
Keep in mind the servo mechanism Paul was talking about using previously used an accelerometer to do the sensing as where the Rymitic stuff uses a secondary coil as part of the driver structure. Different animals.
I roll over to the subs very low. Some songs don't even wake-up the sub from standby mode, so a sub isn't technically "required". However, with certain music, it adds an invaluable quality, so it really depends on what standards you're looking to achieve. Transparency is exceptional. You will likely hear things you've never heard before. Soundstage is great too. Instruments are riveted in place much better than most speakers. Of course, remember that many of things I mentioned are dependent on the quality of the room. I've heard mega dollar speakers sound far less than optimal in a bad room.
I just put together some encore speakers. Yes that driver feels like nothing super light. Maybe its easier to control that way. Either way the sound is what it's about and they sound good. Perhaps you can put a diagonal brace made from 1 inch round from the short wing to the long behind the NQ drivers.
Minidsp offers different crossovers at reasonable prices. You could also look at used pieces by Pass, JL Audio or Bryston if you don't want to use digital crossovers.
So nice wrap up! Loooong series of videos, but comfy. You are a pro so we do listen and absorbe. You stay with your REL subs because of your choice. OB subs will wait. Only question I have, did you consider GR sealed servo diy subs from Danny? Your thoughts would be nice.! I have purchased this sub with the 370 amp but not yet finished them.
How much are the speakers and also im a 2 channel person w a pre amp i dont want no subs also I just want to hook up the speakers and play them I don't want to have to do all these things like you're saying that's not enjoyable a good speaker you should be able to just to hook up and play them with a two channel amp and preamp that's what I want for information from you without anything else to do with it how does it sound
Please note that a very very experienced audiophile just compared The Extremes to speakers costing $75k…each. Your DIY labor would have to be very expensive to make the YG’s a better deal.
No speaker that costs more than a car is going to be a "better deal" in terms of sound quality. However, the reality is that cost is not a factor for many people. Even if it's just 1% better sounding... Better looking... etc...they will pay the price. I can have a purse made of the rarest softest leather and few people will take it over a Louis Vuitton. The NXtremes with the REL25 will definitely compete with the YG 2.3 in similar high quality rooms. As I mentioned, it will probably come down to top end preference.
I would say it's the most important 50% because I've heard cost no object speakers in bad rooms...and I would rather have the better room than better speakers.
@@AudiophileJunkie Agreed emphatically. The single component that every component depends on the most is the room. The room's transfer function layed atop the playback can't be overstated. Sadly, it's the week-point in essentially every rig I see online. There's exceptions, but seemingly all audio enthusiasts prefer component upgrades rather than performing the work and sorting out the room... ie., $5k-$20k DAC shootouts and subsequent replacements in rooms that aren't sorted. I get it, spending money on gear is easier ... gear is sexier ... I'm a gear head too! But incremental playback differences in gear absolutely pale in comparison to massive gains gleaned addressing acoustic distortions. Dig the channel. I believe I discovered you while searching for NXtreme info, as I'd been contemplating Danny's kits. I’ve got no room for more, but I'm always exploring, experiencing, moving forward. If anything, I'd implement them into my mix/editing rig, my primary system is currently well sorted. All the best
You don't understand how bass propagates in a room. In fact, a better argument can be made that full range speakers are compromised since they fix where bass is launched and it's rarely the most optimal area compared to where the midrange and tweeter should be. Watch my videos with JR of Wally tools and others to get more educated on the subject. Don't fall for these primitive dogmas people spout online. Frankly, if you can't hear it, you can prove it to yourself by taking measurements.
@@AudiophileJunkie If you have a good subwoofer than yeah it's worth it. I'm just talking about people that just overdrive the bass so it covers all the other frequencies. I have a umik and REW I know how to take measurements but myself for 2 channel audio I just prefer my main speakers. If I had a better subwoofer that could keep up I would think differently. I bought a 12 " Dayton Reference subwoofer and I am building a cabinet for it . I just don't know what rack amp I want. It has 2 voice coils and it should be faster what I have now . I just like the tone of my woofers on my speakers and I don't want something that is going to change that sound and they get low enough for music that I listen to so I don't like to use my current sub but if I had a better one I would probably use it. That's why I'm building my own because I can't afford the one I want
@@AudiophileJunkiei understand that I have 10" woofers with huge magnetics with a fs of 22hz in a 1.5 "cabinet tuned to 28 hz in a 12" 16" room . I don't personally need a subwoofer
You may not need a sub, but others do. In fact, I'm going to a friend's house this weekend where we will install a swarm of 4 subs. It's not for more volume of bass.. It's for balancing out the room modes to get a smoother response.
@AudiophileJunkie I do like a sub but I need a better one that can keep up with my main speakers that's the problem I feel it's lagging behind a little
Thats quite a feather in the cap for Danny and GR Research. fantastic Video and series.
I worked at the post office hauling the mail. I've seen packages tossed ten feet or more into bins. I'm very interested in trying one of Danny's dyi designs. Congratulations on your great looking and sounding purchase.
I've heard the same story.. It's a minefield and miracle that things survive nowadays.
Great points on subs. I've been interested to hear someone's take on these speakers with a box sub. This supports something I've suspected. You points on modular cabinets for these speakers is something I've wondered about as well. My cabinet concerns are the main reason I haven't bought a pair of these just yet. I'm a pretty good wood worker and there are mods I've considered but I debate with myself because the value of the DIY nature here runs the risk of being diminished. I have a tendency to take things too far.
I greatly enjoyed this series of videos! Thanks!
Thanks...I recognize you as an early subscriber and commenter, so I appreciate your feedback and glad you liked them.
Really enjoyed your review, the content, presentation style and your inputs on parameter eq
Thanks for the feedback. I'll have plenty more in the future on EQ to help those who are unfamiliar with using it correctly.
I'm a new follower. I built the little L Encore kit for my 2.1 setup and very happy. Watching most of this series showed your dedication. Thanks for your channel and your interest.
Welcome to the channel and gratz on your build!
Just a note on the way the driver is shipped, they've switched to using a box with custom formed foam. When I built a pair of their Encores a few years ago the drivers came with the spacers you described, but recently I built their NX-Otica and the drivers were shipped in individual boxes, encased in foam.
Glad they changed.
I’m a fan of Danny’s I will never build these, but I imagine they are glorious. I did his LRS plus upgrade and it transformed that speaker. I use a sealed subwoofer and to me the value is off the charts.
Great video and makes a lot of sense! Thanks
Thank you for sharing. Did I miss it, but how far do you have the speakers apart and how far are your ears from the plane of the speakers. Thanks.
Been waiting for this one! In all the GR speakers I’ve owned with these drivers, none have ever failed on me. I totally understand how someone would feel they lack in quality, it’s mostly the plastic frame which is purposely made that way to avoid resonances/ringing.
As for amplifiers, I highly recommend a Purifi based amplifier but they impart zero warmth or color to a sound. Class D is great because not only is it now technically superior, but the energy savings make me want to use a system more. It doesn’t cost a lot more to use a Class A or A/B, but it’s a mental thing lol
I have an open baffle subwoofer and love it, but it can’t be placed as conveniently as a sealed box, so I would probably just go sealed next time for that reason. Seaton or Rhythmik all day for me.
Hope you keep these longterm… it’s hard to do it, but the quality level is hard to beat.
I'll definitely be keeping them a long time. I had to assemble them in the room because it would be almost impossible for me to bring up the stairs solo. I probably could get them down the stairs ok, but these should be my endgame speakers.
It is interesting to hear about real world experiences, but I am looking more for the actual science behind things and have not found that here - or in the review one year later. Keep up the good work even if I have other opinions.
Not sure if you realize that the actual designer of the speaker has a TH-cam channel for those details. Look up "GR Research"
Anechoic data and what parts are used can be found on the website for the speaker, so I'm not sure what you are specifically looking for.
I have the SHD. I use it as EQ, and crossover for my Sanders Sound 10c. It is an incredibly powerful tool, indeed. I replaced the DBX Venu360 🤮🤮 paired with the PS Audio GCD. This was a huge leap forward! I am still tweaking and learning after 2 months.
Cool. Used correctly... It's an invaluable tool. Used wrong... It can screw things up or give less than optimal results as I'm sure you've noticed as you played with it longer.
Thanks! Really interesting series with tons of info. Your approach of using the NXtremes as a near field speaker is unique. You mention the smaller room, and I am wondering what the size of your room? And if/how it is treated? I have a pretty small space 11'x20', kind of odd shape and was wondering if the NXoticas would work in a similar fashion.
My other videos show my room and treatments in more detail... Especially one in the subwoofer series.
The nxoticas should work fine in your room, but I have no first hand experience with them.
@@AudiophileJunkie Thanks. Will check em out.
Sound wise, how does this compare to the Magico M6? Considering the M6 crossovers likely cost as much as the entire NXtreme kit.
For me, it's an easy choice even if they were the same price. I prefer what I have because of my own baffle preference. See my latest video for more details
I’m planning to get either the Otica or the Extreme for a 55’ x 33’ x 12’ well treated room. I’ve only heard the GR Research via the internet, but the NX Otica seem to sound more natural, holographic and “real”. Is that wrong?
Thanks for the honest review! I'm not trying to be negative, but it doesn't sound like an end all speaker like Danny claims! Especially with off the shelf cheap drivers! Subscribed!
Thanks... The answer is both "yes" and "no". In terms of performance, it can rival the cost no object speakers with proper subs, DSP and room treatments. In fact, it will beat many of them... the ceiling of performance possible in many areas is better.
However, the quality of the cabinet and drivers isn't among the best in the industry. It's a great compromise of trade-offs though... Especially for a DIY kit.. You really can't ask for much more.
Servo is not just EQ. A servo can lower THD too and quite substantially, even by on order of magnitude. It is however difficult to implement.
Majico Uses marble mixed with ceramic I think.
Great info. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi
Can you comment on the sweet spot characteristics. Many years ago I tested Martin Logan Summit at my home for two weeks. The sweet spot was very narrow and you could not move your head much. Is this type of open baffle speaker similar to electrostats in that respect?
This speaker is pretty good off axis. If you watch my video on measurements, those results are actually a combination of 9 measurements near the sweet spot, but at least a couple feet deviation. The numbers are even better at the sweet spot, but you can see that there is very little decline off axis within reason. Danny has results on the website he took.
I've had electrostatic and it won't be near the same issue. With those. As soon a your head is higher than the panel, the sound is terrible. Horizontally, you should be much better off too.
@@AudiophileJunkie
Thanks for the answer.
So three people sitting side by side can enjoy music/film, even it is of course optimal in the middle.
How did you detect the failed driver? Did you hear it directly, or by measurements, or by listening to each driver by itself?
Did you choose to use the miniDSP to do the crossover from the NX-Extremes to the REL? What slope and frequency did you use for your system? BTW, I am using a miniDSP 2X4HD with dual closed box Rythmik F-15HD and using ARC with an AVM-60 for my correction above the subs.
Yes.. I'll have a video on it soon where I walk through the crossover to the subs. It's fairly complex and will depend on the specific subs and main speakers. Thus, I'm not sure the exact values will translate to everyone, but the process and theory I use may be helpful.
In short, I like to roll them over lower than most people and use steep curves to prevent the subs and main speakers overlapping much into higher frequencies.
I also create a bandpass on the sub to prevent it from doing stuff really low. I'll have more details soon in the video.
Great info. Really enjoy your balanced commonsense approach. You do a nice job of imparting your considerable experience without sounding like an audiofile D bag.
Thanks... Unfortunately, there are plenty of know-it-all pretenders giving bad advice and acting like "dbags" in this hobby, so that was part of the motivation taking my channel public. I appreciate that feedback.
@@AudiophileJunkie Thank you !!🤓
Chipamps can be good and neutral. You just need to go composite. A composite chip amp is the most cost-effective way of getting hifi sound IMO. Simple TDA or LM circuit can get you even -115dB THD+N. There aren't many circuits, but I saw one guy assemble a quick and dirt cheap amp on a prototype board and it was something like -105dB of THD. It wasn't a lot of power, but definitely good enough to power individual drivers in an active floorstander.
Just bought the NX Oticas and found your videos very helpful in seeing how you put them together - which I'm about to start. Thanks for making the videos.
However, I'm really surprised you like the Mini-DSP. I think Dirac is great, but I returned the Mini-DSP and paid the restocking fee. Their preamp section sounded MUCH worse than my Schiit Freya, even when I bypassed the Mini-DSP's mediocre DAC and went into my Yggy. Somebody like Innuos or Lumin needs to integrate Dirac into some really good equipment.
After I got off my behind and spent more time (about 4 hours) fine tuning the positioning of my current speakers - Tekton 2-10 Perfect SET - I didn't miss the Dirac anymore.
Danny says it will be no contest between the NX Oticas and the Tektons. I've owned speakers that cost 5 times more than the Tektons and I like the Tektons better. It will be great to compare.
I'm not a Tekton fan at all so we might have different tastes.
To be honest...I think the minidsp was showing you the weakness in Tektons and not vice versa.
From an engineering perspective, the SHD has impeccable measurements in both DAC and preamp qualities. It should be revealing and accurate assuming you didn't have a defective one.
Once you get the oticas built, it will be interesting to see if your tastes have changed, or you still prefer Tektons. Best of luck with the build!
How did they end up competing with the tektons?
Hi
Since you employ lot of DSP already, have you considered to go fully active using digital filters, i.e., elliminate the passive crossover?
Dag
Yes...it's something I considered since that's how my Wisdom Adrenalines are designed (except they use an analog active crossover).
However, I wanted to see how the NXtremes performed in my room with no EQ and just passive crossover as intended.
The hybrid approach seems to work well, but it would be fun to go full active as a comparison...it would take a ton of stuff out the signal path and allow the amp power to go straight to the driver. Theoretically, I would need 6 channels of amplification to do it like my Wisdom Adrenaline speakers, so it's probably something to add to my "fantasy cost-no-object thoughts".
Great video
What is panzerhole, a wood type or screw system?
If you're removing drivers a lot into an MDF box, try squirting resin wood glue into the hole. RESIN W is the brand leader here, but I'm sure Home Depot have similar. Not sure how having a gasket would help "soft" mdf...
I think a metal gasket would provide the threads for inserting and removing drivers. Thus it wouldn't impact the MDF if you change out a lot.
When are we going to get Stephanie's review of these? LOL. I also had an issue with one of the M-165 drivers on my NX Otica and had to return it, but I've been rocking without it and hardly notice anything is missing. Also agree the fit and finish of those drivers leaves something to be desired. I see some discoloration on the outer ring, but it's not really that bad.
I'll have to play 80s music to get a good review from Stephanie :)
hi, do you have a response to GR-research Danny's vid attack on youtube hifi reviewers ?
Nah... I usually stay out of the drama and all the passive aggressive videos.
Frankly, I haven't watched them all, but there's a lot of truth behind what I've seen. However, they also have a fair share of motivation from narcissism, insecurity, and/or click bait.
In the membership section, I have a video on what reviewers I trust and call out some guys, but I don't like public call outs.
I have called out things in general and stereophile, but punching down on these just trying to make a living with TH-cam reviews isn't worth my time.
I do enjoy watching though :)
You must be in the Houston area if you hanging with the 3MA guys?
Yep...I hang out with them a lot. You in Houston?
@@AudiophileJunkie Yes, i'm in Cypress. I've been there with a buddy of mine who knows them. It would be great to have a good group of audiophiles in the area to connect with.
I'm there all the time, and we hang out after hours too. Feel free to email me your contact info (my email in description).
How much is the total weight fully built?
Not sure but it should be on gr research website... They aren't too heavy
Yea I emailed them and he said about 150 lb each 👍
What do you recommend if I have a huge high space and love the HEIGHT of the NXtreme soundstage, but simply cannot build these no way?
Maybe Maggie's
@@AudiophileJunkie I'd love Magnepan 1.7i's, but have been warned that they need walls as boundaries, using the room as a cabinet, and that they'd be terrible in a big tall untreated space like mine. Is that true? Klipsch Cornwalls were recommended, but I hate their metallic over-resonant "live" coloration. Aside from Maggies, I hear the sound I want from Spatial Audio Lab Sapphires and GR NX-Otica or NX-tremes -- all 3 open baffle. Any thoughts?
Are they really full range speakers? Can they do 20 to 20.000 hz?
They roll off in my room at 30hz. Check out my video on measurements to get more details.
Essentially they are full range, but it will be room dependent and how much you care about getting to the 20hz threshold.
How much do this cost.
What do you think about pairing the nx Treme with anthem Str separates?
They would be more than enough
@@AudiophileJunkie thanks for the response, I wasn’t sure about the STR pre amp DAC and sound staging etc also using Anthem ARC Genesis, I use the AVM90 now for my theater and it’s great gear, thinking to pair the STR separates with my NX Tremes for a nice 2ch system.
A couple of REL no32 would be nice also but I can’t justify the price for them.
Maybe a pair of SVS Ultra SB16?
22:30 you are correct. PS Audio has turned away from servo.
the FR30 now has 4-8" woofers & 4-10" passive radiators.
th-cam.com/video/bJAYzqCmcsc/w-d-xo.html
Yep...that's what I had heard.
Keep in mind the servo mechanism Paul was talking about using previously used an accelerometer to do the sensing as where the Rymitic stuff uses a secondary coil as part of the driver structure. Different animals.
how is the bass without the sub? soundstage? transparency?
I roll over to the subs very low. Some songs don't even wake-up the sub from standby mode, so a sub isn't technically "required". However, with certain music, it adds an invaluable quality, so it really depends on what standards you're looking to achieve.
Transparency is exceptional. You will likely hear things you've never heard before. Soundstage is great too. Instruments are riveted in place much better than most speakers.
Of course, remember that many of things I mentioned are dependent on the quality of the room. I've heard mega dollar speakers sound far less than optimal in a bad room.
@@AudiophileJunkie thats awesome. to me open baffle speakers needs a well damped room to work great.
I just put together some encore speakers. Yes that driver feels like nothing super light. Maybe its easier to control that way. Either way the sound is what it's about and they sound good.
Perhaps you can put a diagonal brace made from 1 inch round from the short wing to the long behind the NQ drivers.
Honestly man. No one else is doing these tweaks. State of the Art is fluid and no other way to get there expect home made.
What cheaper crossover would you suggest?
Minidsp offers different crossovers at reasonable prices. You could also look at used pieces by Pass, JL Audio or Bryston if you don't want to use digital crossovers.
So nice wrap up! Loooong series of videos, but comfy. You are a pro so we do listen and absorbe. You stay with your REL subs because of your choice. OB subs will wait. Only question I have, did you consider GR sealed servo diy subs from Danny? Your thoughts would be nice.! I have purchased this sub with the 370 amp but not yet finished them.
I talk about the sealed Salk servo sub briefly that my friend has. It's great and will work well with almost any main speakers.
NO WAY you can get this Amazing sound anywhere else even close to the price. What's SPL ?
I usually listen no higher than 95db at my listening position
Those speakers are open baffle... if you screw up a hole... just drill it out and use a nut on the back
How much are the speakers and also im a 2 channel person w a pre amp i dont want no subs also I just want to hook up the speakers and play them I don't want to have to do all these things like you're saying that's not enjoyable a good speaker you should be able to just to hook up and play them with a two channel amp and preamp that's what I want for information from you without anything else to do with it how does it sound
Excellent
Please note that a very very experienced audiophile just compared The Extremes to speakers costing $75k…each. Your DIY labor would have to be very expensive to make the YG’s a better deal.
No speaker that costs more than a car is going to be a "better deal" in terms of sound quality. However, the reality is that cost is not a factor for many people.
Even if it's just 1% better sounding... Better looking... etc...they will pay the price.
I can have a purse made of the rarest softest leather and few people will take it over a Louis Vuitton.
The NXtremes with the REL25 will definitely compete with the YG 2.3 in similar high quality rooms. As I mentioned, it will probably come down to top end preference.
Any speaker thats made out of MDF is lofi to me.
Bring back speakers made from real wood.
As some say, the room is 50% of your sound…
I would say it's the most important 50% because I've heard cost no object speakers in bad rooms...and I would rather have the better room than better speakers.
@@AudiophileJunkie
Agreed emphatically.
The single component that every component depends on the most is the room.
The room's transfer function layed atop the playback can't be overstated.
Sadly, it's the week-point in essentially every rig I see online. There's exceptions, but seemingly all audio enthusiasts prefer component upgrades rather than performing the work and sorting out the room... ie., $5k-$20k DAC shootouts and subsequent replacements in rooms that aren't sorted.
I get it, spending money on gear is easier ... gear is sexier ... I'm a gear head too! But incremental playback differences in gear absolutely pale in comparison to massive gains gleaned addressing acoustic distortions.
Dig the channel. I believe I discovered you while searching for NXtreme info, as I'd been contemplating Danny's kits. I’ve got no room for more, but I'm always exploring, experiencing, moving forward. If anything, I'd implement them into my mix/editing rig, my primary system is currently well sorted.
All the best
I don't think people should use a subwoofer in a speaker review a good speaker doesn't need a subwoofer.
You don't understand how bass propagates in a room. In fact, a better argument can be made that full range speakers are compromised since they fix where bass is launched and it's rarely the most optimal area compared to where the midrange and tweeter should be. Watch my videos with JR of Wally tools and others to get more educated on the subject. Don't fall for these primitive dogmas people spout online.
Frankly, if you can't hear it, you can prove it to yourself by taking measurements.
@@AudiophileJunkie If you have a good subwoofer than yeah it's worth it. I'm just talking about people that just overdrive the bass so it covers all the other frequencies. I have a umik and REW I know how to take measurements but myself for 2 channel audio I just prefer my main speakers. If I had a better subwoofer that could keep up I would think differently. I bought a 12 " Dayton Reference subwoofer and I am building a cabinet for it . I just don't know what rack amp I want. It has 2 voice coils and it should be faster what I have now . I just like the tone of my woofers on my speakers and I don't want something that is going to change that sound and they get low enough for music that I listen to so I don't like to use my current sub but if I had a better one I would probably use it. That's why I'm building my own because I can't afford the one I want
@@AudiophileJunkiei understand that I have 10" woofers with huge magnetics with a fs of 22hz in a 1.5 "cabinet tuned to 28 hz in a 12" 16" room . I don't personally need a subwoofer
You may not need a sub, but others do. In fact, I'm going to a friend's house this weekend where we will install a swarm of 4 subs. It's not for more volume of bass.. It's for balancing out the room modes to get a smoother response.
@AudiophileJunkie I do like a sub but I need a better one that can keep up with my main speakers that's the problem I feel it's lagging behind a little
Danny's just waiting for you to get used to them & give up