Open loop vs closed loop control intro fly fishing intelligence quotient series FlyQ S1 E8

The science of control theory has the best explanations and terminology to explain what is really going on in fly casting. The mental game is what it is all about and not the physics. We know that it works but not how to control it. So please stop looking in the wrong direction AND focus on what s really important: the stuff you cant see.
Current teachings of fly casting are flawed by an open loop controlled system. The FlyQ proposes closed loop control systems to learn casting. Closed loop control systems will always deliver the better result.
From the perspective of control theory, the teachings in fly casting look really crude and rudimentary. congratulations that you found this channel.
Lets start the revolution in fly casting: the revolution of flow state inducing closed loop control teachings by FlyQ / Michael Rebholz and Speynergy.
My apologies that some of the content may appear repetitive and uncategorised or unstructured yet. But i am learning as I go and bring that into more compact structure later.

[@Duke-fly]

At minute 19:23 I completely agree with what you say. After someone starts giving me strong casting recommendations, I feel pressured and my casting gets even worse. Thank you for the video. I just wanted to say that you raise an interesting topic, but so far I don’t see any concrete solutions. I understand that too. I would like someone to listen to your thoughts among matser-instructors. Maybe this requires a different supply of material, in a less aggressive form? I would also like to see how you make long casts with your technique. In any case, thanks for the video.

[@coolcaster]

I am already past that stage. Those so called master instructors are the reason why you find me aggressive. Because they bully me and with a few exceptions, I have the impression that master casting I structure are brain washed uneducated fools. And they can go duck themselves. I lost all my respect and I smoke anyone of the with 2 casts
1 cool cast
2 wave spe
And I have a whole gotta more casts in my quiver. Only the other day fly fish dan tried to call me out for a cast off.....after u asked him if wants to include cool casting, the wave spey. The cubicspey and the half spey he must have looked at my casting and then pulled out of the cast off immediately.
That's how brave the so called and self proclaimed casting instructors are.
Againt my knowledge any master casting instructor appears like a toy. Also would they have to admit that they are wrong
Have u ever heard a casting instructor admitting that they are wrong? I heard only myself saying that to me in a form of negative self talk. Because the teachings and industry have negative influence on your mindset and hinder growth as a caster.
Say hello to any sliming arrogantsworth master casting instructor and greet them with a double duck you from me.

[@SurfSkagit]

Rod tip is the best visual gage to detect on how far the caster Master the acceleration to a stop on the actual fly rod, and I watch every single clip, he is able to do that, at 12:42 and 13:30 is the few times I can see the rod tip in the actual clip, the rod tip shows no vibration no recoil, absolutely nothing that tells me he stop the rod in the “traditional”abrupt stop form, to me it looks the caster here is able to absorb and some how -tame - through the tempo any of the negative potential rod blank vibrations or frequencies that most of the fly casters in this platform show the - open loop - concept
I understand the toaster analogy and I’m also think the industry can do better by dedicating more time to the casting, there is no much sharing and teaching from them on the fundamentals but definitely I can tell they more interesting in putting more lines that cast better every season 🤑

[@coolcaster]

This industry has absolutely no interest in making people better casters. And also no interest in truly helping them how to become better quick.
Because a good caster needs less gear. He can't be scammed into buying new gear constantly.

[@Nelsoncandas]

Hi! I waited for the next video as you recommended. There is still no explanation on how to use close loop control theory applied to improving or learning casting. You also, randomly talk about statistics, science and control theory, with no solid arguments, facts or proof. There is no control theory without a physical understanding of the variables involved in the process, but you are not interested in that, as stated in the video description. Control theory is not an esoteric discipline, is actually very linked to maths and physics.
I understand some people might get caught up in the idea of always making a tight loop even if in many situations is not absolutely necessary for presenting a fly correctly, and that can hinder their joi in fishing, and increase their frustration.
I also recommend you checking the video in slow motion in the point you talk about roll casting. It is very obvious, you stop the rod in every cast.
I believe your approach needs some development and processing to be taught to people. I am not implying that is bad, and if it works for you then it is great.
Nice casting in other videos you have uploaded by the way. I will try some of them. Cheers!!

[@coolcaster]

Are you aware that flycasting is 3 dimensional? And that nobody has ever done the maths on a cast? And that it's not relevant for a normal angler?
Control theory is about controlling systems.
Let me ask you a question:
How do you feedback yourself during the cast? Can u tell me that?
If yes. Shoot. If not: means you have only open loop control over your casting as you are not getting feedback during the process.
If you do get feedback: what is ir?
I know the answer to the question. But here is not the place to tell you that.
But u can book a casting class anytime through speynergy or buy one of our rods to make it easier for you. Thanks for your understanding

[@Nelsoncandas]

@@coolcaster 3 dimensional (even 4 and 5 dimensional...) calculus has been developed hundreds of years ago. As I mentioned in the comment on the other video, there is scientific literature about it.
Saying that control theory is about controlling says as much as fly casting is about casting flies.
My feedback is my eyes and feel on the rod, according to that I correct my casting if something is odd. Granted that those corrections more often than not are applied on the next cast.
I totally understand that ones work doesn't need to be offered for free, but I believe it should be stated that this is some kind of introduction or advertisement for your classes. Then you win, avoiding people telling you all the time that there is no practical explanation, and we win not waiting for that magic bit of information.
I have checked the rods, they look great. I like to build my own rods so I might take a look at one of the blanks in the future. Cheers!!

[@rangerwhite5165]

I enjoy the entertainment value of your videos Michael, butt his tells you nothing about loop control, what your casting instruction is based on and what is the "stuff you can't see". Fly casting is all based around physics, so I'd be glad you hear your counter arguments.

[@coolcaster]

Writing butt with double tt is telling enough ..... I enjoy your comments for their entertainment value too. Like and subscribe.
Speynergy.com

[@smau990]

So you took Joel Turners Mind/Shot IQ lesson and decided to rip off his whole philosophy without understanding even half of it? Fly casting is not a process you can control closed loop entirely. Also I have never heard anyone teach to just swing rod and look at the loop OR that tight loop is only thing that matters.
Anyways, you gather feedback while you make a stroke, but you should aim for closed loop setup for open loop stroke, because if you try to do closed loop during the casting stroke, you will screw up the timing, because closed loop process is one where you decide the speed of it. In fly casting in order to keep the rod bent and line in the air, you are not deciding the speed = you're not able to make decision based on feedback in the moment. Semantics maybe but "closed loop is always better than open loop" must be dumbest thing i've heard for a while. Closed loop precursor to open loop process is what flycasting should be.

[@coolcaster]

I transfer knowledge from science into casting because its full of BS. I can closed loop feedback Mt casts most of the time. That's why my casting is much cleaner.
You and the rest of flyfishing is looking in the wrong direction. There is real-time feedback to be had in every cast. And one of the reasons why I don't teach you how to yet is that there is no reciprocal exchange coming from people like you.
I make the decisions. I can feed me back closed loop during casting.
What can u offer me to share the knowledge? To cure the casting panic? Have u seen the other FlyQ episodes?
I m not willing to part with my knowledge for free and for some fuckibg fly fish cans who only will claim it was their idea.
But , my compliment, you are not too far off with what you are looking at.