there is a huge difference between helping someone with your own will and forcing all of society to bow down to the lowest common denominator of society. its not fair someone pointed at you in school and you got sad and stuffed food into your mouth until you are 400 lbs. that sucks but society should not have to pay for your medical care.
Christian Gerber we invest in elevating that person. If this person is developing an eating disorder because they are hyper sensitive to being insulted we can elevate their position by getting the mental help and support they need to better deal with unpleasant words.
Actually it would be fair because as a society they would have agreed to provide the same protections to any one needing help. If you don't care for that type of insurance then move to a place where other people agree with you. But at this point i feel, like you might as well criticize the general idea of taxes if you're going to complain about shit like this "i don't use a car so i don't want to pay for roads" .
Not to mention the physical toll. He talks about it like a plan b pill is a legitimate form of contraception. Like just pop a day-after pill every time you fuck what's the problem?
Why would 50 dollars matter to you socialist idiots? You would force the rest of us to pay for their ID's in your ideal world anyway. You idiots are all dishonest and stupid. Get ready for right-wing extremism globally.
It doesn't cost $50 to get an ID and I'm pretty sure you need an ID to get a job. So if you don't have a job, have no plan on getting an ID, you are not contributing in any way, you are gonna have to suffer and spend the $20 to get your ID.
@@MWGui It's not that they never saw $50. It's that if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you aren't going to waste that on an ID so you can vote. You also aren't going to take a working day off so you can go to the DMV and get an ID. You have bigger priorities. This means that a certain group of people are being prevented from voting.
@@shithead157 when most ppl CANT afford a 400 emergency bill 50 bucks is a lot. It's not in the realm of a million dollars but a lot of ppl have to budget accordingly where 50 bucks can't just be loaned out on a whim.
Im a single mom of 4 and I work full time. If I was American, $50 is the difference between groceries, School supplies, new shoes for my family. This guy is clueless
Tell you what, kid. In my neighborhood we'll make birth control more accessible, and in your neighborhood you can stand on a street corner yapping "Personal sponsa-billa-tee! Personal sponsa-billa-tee!" over and over. We'll see who does better at addressing unwanted pregnancies.
That analogy was incredible. Even with all the time I had to get used to this guy, I'm still pretty shocked at how he responded to it. "if you remove the hurdles they won't learn to jump over them." By this guy's logic it feels like we should actually just be trying to insert as many hurdles as possible into rich peoples lives so they can become better people. I mean life's not fair right?
That was my exact takeaway as well. He's speaking about the hurdles as if it's virtuous to overcome them and then immediately after that he says that rich people don't have to jump those hurdles. The conclusion logically follows that rich people would benefit from learning the hard lessons of those hurdles so we should try to insert them where we can.
@@womenrespecter879 imagine believing that it isn’t for anyone. Seriously, not everyone has the time to line up at the DMV for a few hours, especially since they’re only open during work days and working hours.
@@jordinagel1184 Not to mention they aren't the most enjoyable or intuitive places either. You often have to fill out and bring in paperwork as well. Don't have your Social Security Card and Birth Certificate? Well, you aren't getting any kind of I.D. Have fun in the hell of figuring out how to get those first, paying the fees involved, spending the time in-line for that. Only to come back for an i.d. It is like people think you just show up to the DMV, give your name, pay $5 and they shoot your photo and hand you the i.d. on the spot. That isn't how this sh"t works.
Digging yourself out of a 10 ft hole is harder than starting from the surface. You can tell this kid started from the surface and thinks he knows the struggle of living paycheck to paycheck having barely enough money to keep the lights on. I don't get why Destiny didn't bring up that most DMV's are only open during the work week and during normal working hours. A poor person can't simply take a day off work, then spend money for an ID if they can barely keep the lights on as is. It's basic logic.
@@alexad7570 Where do you live lmao? here in ottawa the lines always out the door and depending what each persons trying to do it can be a wait of upwards of 4 hours lmfao
Also lets say for instance like me you dont have a car to bring you there so you have to take the bus but the closest place to me is a 2 hour bus ride so thats already edging on a full day of work it's fine to have opinions but not so fine when you're unable to remove your head from your ass
50:20 through 51:06 is the BEST. The hamster in his brain had a fucking heart attack trying to compute the mental gymnastics necessary to refute that simple logic.
You keep repeating this nonsense about "handing them everything" when that is literally only true about people who are born in to the rich/upper-middle class, like you. Poor people aren't being handed shit in comparison, so I don't understand where you get this idea from. No offence dude but you sound like a typical "fuck you I got mine" republican that never had a hard days work in their entire god damn life. So you can keep shitting on these people because you're obviously very bitter that some of your daddies inheritance money is going to those dirty poors, but just stop with this pretense like you have some higher noble goal of lifting people through the glory and virtue of hard work that you've never experienced.
Vincent But here specifically you're arguing against helping the poor... Destiny is trying to argue that he wants to level the playing field. If you needed birth control, you don't need to put in nearly the same amount of work and effort to get it compared to a poor person that needs it. You say you value hard work but that's something that it seems like only poor people need to do (in this case, to get birth control).
Giving people birth control and access to public school is not "giving them everything", it's investing a comparatively small amount of money to combat a problem that will cost the state a lot more if ignored. No amount of narrative pushing is going to stop poor people from fucking so you will be dealing with the problem in some form no matter what. Also, we could probably teach you a lot by seizing all of your family's assets and forcing you to live naked in a sewer eating rat meat. Adversity can teach you things. The point is that us non-poor folks are not expected to have any of those skills, and yet when we have the opportunity to alleviate some of those problems we hear "oh but then they'll never learn!" well if it works for all of us non-poor folk to never be forced to learn these things then what's the point of making sure they do?
Vincent Disilva How did you learn the value of hard work growing up in a comfortable middle class home? You got the free shit you complain about giving to the lower class and act so smug while doing it.
My favorite is when he started to yell, "IF THIS STUPID BITCH CAN'T AFFOR--" and then composes himself and tries to calmly restart to, "if this _woman_ ..."
@onewithmyself Hey man, completely unrelated to your comment but have you ever seen someone with the political compass profile picture that was somewhere other than anarchist left?
So I've recently got into watching destiny's videos on politics, and I know "destiny sucks at debates" is a meme. But I haven't seen that. He seems well versed and very well spoken. I think the internet lied to me
Its cause he keeps getting morons on lately that make him look very good. Not saying hes not a good debater or anything, but NoBullshit and Dick are low hanging fruit imo.
He comes off as a total asshole, that's the main reason. But he really isn't that terrible. I disagree with some of his views, but overall, entertaining as fuck and very eloquent and intelligent. I'm personally a Post-Capitalist, so I disagree with a lot of his economics, but he is very intelligently and eloquently putting his points across. And I like that. I have respect for those I disagree with, but have a respectful and intelligent reasoning behind it. Which not a lot of people these days knows how to do. Most people just shittalk each other and bitch and whine how wrong the "enemy side" is.
Why do we continually coddle the handicapped with those good parking spaces? Shouldn't I, as a hard-working man that has _not once_ been born with Polio, also have easy access to the Steak & Shake? These crippled people will never improve their condition if we just keep _handing them everything._
Dang dude, I’m just wondering why this “fan” doesn’t just straight up say it. “I hate poor people and I want them punished for existing.” Good Republican though, he has a great future in Congress!
yep. theyll try to bring up things like 'i dont want my tax dollars going towards paying for other peoples birth control,' or 'people need to take self accountability,' but ultimately they just want other people to suffer. i couldnt tell if this guy was trolling or not, but thats how these people actually think. theyll deluded themselves into believing poor people are the problem while being the regressive tumors of humanity
I'm so tired of this conservative "personal responsibility" and "life isn't fair" canned response to literally everything when you challenge their ideas.
What does society gain from not aiding its citizens? If we're not collectively going to enhance each others' lives, then what is the point of having a civilization to begin with? These are just my sentiments, though.
Civilization is a society or place that reaches a stage of social development and organization that is considered advanced. I have yet to find an successful advanced culture that allowed a true welfare state, in the long term. Just because half a population is lazy, useless, irresponsible, or retarded doesn't mean the other half that is self-sufficient, responsible, savvy, and hard working should automatically have to pay for them. People who put an emphasis on community tend to be losers who can't stand on their own or are unwilling to compete. You and those like you live in the United States because you are "allowed" to. The population is large enough that the government doesn't want to spend money to micromanage you life, and would be contrary to a little thing called FREEDOM. Because the USA is not like China which is literally trying to track your daily activities by the year 2023 (time spent driving, time spent on the internet instead of outside, time spent watching TV, etc.) to judge you as a good enough citizen worthy of tax breaks or government assistance. If you would like more oppressive, authoritarian government that promises no hunger while also limiting everything else you can do in life - please feel free to move there.
What this person is actually advocating is that monarchy is justified; feudalism is justified. It's perfectly fine that some people are born passed the finish line, while others are born many yards ahead of the starting line and still others are born miles behind the starting line. This moron is justifying ALL of that because it's their fault because they have no personal responsibility. That's absurd on its face.
in a nutshell this fox news-gruel fed knobcloud thinks that if you simply just tell people to be better, they will be better... - 20yr olds say the darndest things
This speaker's stance on punishment is incredibly concerning, as if the poor are just dogs that needs to have it beaten into them to be better. The poor need to exist to make others feel better about themselves? Sounds like this guy's rhetoric would go great during the French Revolution.
Exactly, people like this want poor people to fucking suffer and wallow in filth because it makes them feel better about themselves and that they’ve accomplished something in their lives
He doesn’t understand leveling the playing field. A child can not take self responsibility. A child does not personally choose to be born into a family that is poor. If you believe in equality, you want everyone to have equal opportunities from the day they are born. You do not want one kid to be born rich and another kid to be born poor. The rich kid will have much more of a chance to become a productive member of society even if the rich kid makes more mistakes than the poor kid. In order to prevent things like this from happening, we turn to policy.we tax wealthier people and provide welfare to poor people as an attempt to level the playing field. We tax inheritance and provide public education as an attempt to level the playing field. Destiny had the perfect example. Running a race where one person has hurdles and one person doesn’t is ridiculous. That means the person with hurdles must work twice as hard just to be tied with the other person. The person with hurdles has to take “personal responsibility” for a situation he himself had no choice in being placed in. A person isn’t personally responsible for the situation they are born into. That argument is complete bullshit.
that's the difference between the right and left. left believe in equality of outcome and right believe in equality of opportunity. unfortunately nobody on the left realizes that. 'leveling the playing field' as you people say is the worst possible thing that you could do, first of all because it is impossible to totally control the environment in wich somebody is born. there will always be people more poor and more rich whether you like it or not, it is inevitable. what the right says is we cannot control in wich envirement you are born but we can make sure to give you opportunities to get out of it. and say what you want but there is no other place in the world than capitalist countries where you can start at the bottom of the ladder and finish at the top! many countries have tried the ' level the playing field method' (wich is also known as socialism).and it as never worked so far. not even remotely close. also it has led to the death of more than 100 M people in the last century... capitalism is not perfect but it is by far the best system in wich you can live in 2019.
@@brandonhopkins5241 worst than "great meme" ? youd did not adressed anything i said because you can't. so you resort to trolling because you have nothing to say. sad.
"life isn't fair." right. that's why it's our job to MAKE it fair. nature and evolution are not fair. but we have brains, and it's our job to MAKE life more fair, to level the playing field.
@@michaelantonio no one said that. It’ll be more like people that can run looking at people who have problems running and saying, maybe instead of just telling them to run correctly, we should educate and teach them about the correct way to do it, not just saying “just run it’s not hard”. Uplifting others in society even if it cost you a little bit of money is better for everyone, Destiny talked about this in future opportunities, growth is good.
I like how this guy's voice gets higher and higher along the debate. I guess he's just a kid who's got taught some "values" and refuses to think mommy and daddy can be wrong about anything.
Middle-Class Kid🤔: y do I have to pay taxes to give services to the poor to help them overcome Middle-class Kid🤔: please everyone pay taxes so I can have socialized police & fire department ; free roads
The sensible solution Liberals like destiny just hold their hands up, write off ID as racist and allow the voter fraud that only benefits the left Supply everyone with ID and it removes the "poor blacks" argument.
@Toby Pham Sure, I don't mind the finer logistics. I'm just saying the American Left acts as if paying for ID is a given, and it doesn't have to be. If ID were free, what would be the issue? Their argument over costs and poor blacks would be moot. But I suspect they object not because it's a valid argument but because deeper down, they wish to allow for backdoors into elections.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld There wouldn’t be an issue if IDs were free, that’s why we advocate for it. Voting is a constitutional right and poor people in general can’t afford it taking into account the time it takes as well as cost. If you need an ID to vote, but the government doesn’t subsidize the first one, I think that’s fucked up. So yes, supply everyone with an ID to vote and the “poor people” argument is gone, that’s the point.
@@TheOutgoingClan Yet I've never seen a liberal like Destiny ever concede that. They seem to enjoy unverified voters and the potential for fraud. The UK and Australian voter system > the US
This is the most one sided debate I've ever seen. My whole thing is if the guy's only real rebuttal is "Life's Not Fair." He should stick and land on that. Don't try to justify it by saying "You can't give people free shit cause then they'll never learn. People must face the consequences of their actions..." and then admit that well off people don't have to face the same consequences. Just say, "I don't give a fuck what people have to go through, life isn't fair. I know it's irational and fucked up but I like to feel superior to others and watch them suffer and I also don't want to compete with poor people who are given the same opportunities as me because I know I was pampered all my life and I'll get obliterated if they were given the opportunities to succeed. And I don't want to compete or live around black people." If he said that, I'd have more respect for him and his decisions.
_"I agree, but I disagree! I totally understand what you are saying, but I dont! I support that, but I dont!"_ 60 minutes later _"I agree, but I disagree! I totally understand what you are saying, but I dont! I support that, but I dont!"_ MAKE. UP. YOUR. MIND. ALREADY. JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS CHRIST.
If liberal democratic policies like welfare are keeping poor people poor, then shouldn't third world countries have the highest rates of upward mobility and the lowest amounts of poverty? I'm pretty sure places like Somalia aren't known for their generous safety nets.
Why is it that it's always the people who are born into nice rich families are the ones advocate for personal responsibility shit.Says 'You can't just hand people stuff, they won't learn from that' while being handed everything literally everything and advocating for 'personal responsibility'.
Thorguy exactly. The voter ID discussion led to the root of its cause (in a conservatives mind, anyways) which is believed by some to be the fault, or the lack of personal responsibility on the part of the voter, not the members of Government Who passed the legislation targeting said voters in the first place. It’s victim blaming 101. It’s essentially like blaming a grown person who was raped as a child for still having trauma from the situation and telling them to “take personal responsibility” for yourself and your situation. Even if the responsibility is not on that person. And there you have the boot straps meme in a nut shell. It’s victim blaming.
The dude who believes that 'wearing a condom is the sole responsibility of the womans' problem with trying to understand this is simply because he has no idea that for a group of Americans living in today's world, that to even just find an extra $25 is a lot of money.
this guy thinks money grows on trees? im in school and work part time 13.50/hr after union fees its about 8/hr 49.95 for plan B is a whole days wages i dont mind because its just a part time job as a student but you got to remember there are people out there working this job as their CAREER. thats fucking privilege right there
"Wow Destiny you calling these people to stupid to be able to get I.D".... 15 secs later "I dont think you should be able to vote if you cant even go out and get a simple I.D"
41:07 love how this dude is acting like $50 is no big deal when even me, a guy living with his parents who gets basically free money from them, still struggles to spend $30 cause I think that's spending too much .
"If you remove the hurdles, the people won't learn how to jump over them" If you remove the hurdles, they won't NEED to jump over them!! Thats the point!
I just imagine this kid at age 11 seeing his poor friend’s bedroom for the first time and going: “Well it sucks that you were born into a poor family s-s-shure but you need to take responsibility and just like make the right like choices and then you can get an xbox like me. I don’t want to be handing stuff out to you because like then you won’t take responsibility like me”
Its crazy how unintelligent this kid is but like 60% of ppl think like him. It doesnt matter if it is easy as a single act to purchase a condom, it matters that on a large scale, policies like free condoms would empirically reduce unwanted pregnancies.
In surprised Destiny didn’t call out this circular argument. People need to take responsibility because life isn’t fair. Life isn’t fair because people need to take responsibility.
50$ is literally a weeks worth of groceries for me and my girlfriend... I live in sweden and i get free education, currently studying in university, and even i realize that 50$ is alot of money for not only some people but for most people.
Om du sparar 10kr per månad har du lätt råd med ett ID i USA och transport kostnaden för att inskaffa den framtill den förra utgår. Hur kan man ens vara en vuxen utan ett jävla ID asså?!
Giving people the _"tools to succeed,"_ is much different than: "Giving people EVERYTHING!" Basic food, contraception, and education is not _"EVERYTHING."_
This guy plays hearthstone you can't explain to him a hard work meme. That game is very low on the skill side and extremely extremely high on the pay to win side. The struggles of being rich buying every card and net decking all day long boohoo
I know this was 3 years ago, but holy shit... a commenter said it right. His parents shouldn't help him so he could learn how to jump over the 'hurdles', I mean how else is he going to learn IF his parents remove all the hurdles for him? Being poor shouldn't mean having cereal for dinner...
My parents are lower middle class and ive been on my own for about 5 years now. I can ask for my parents for money bc they dont make enough to help me. I do not have a way to get a car easily. The state i live in has mandatory insurance and terrible roads. This makes owning a car extremely expensive. At a $20,000 a year, it may not be as viable if i have a kid or debt or whatever and i cant get a better job.
*Do you realize how harmful it is to tell people what theyve accomplished doesnt mean shit?" *Actively argues worse off people should just take responsibility and realize they were idiots and ruined their life*
Yeah, but accidents do happen, it's demonstrated, so you put helmet. If it wasn't happening there wouldn't be an requirement. They did happen in the past, happens now, that's why we use precaution. Idiot. Voter fraud hasn't been demonstrated to be a problem, where it occurs it is usually investigated and gets easily caught.
And we already use ballots specially to make sure machine isn't involved since there problem occurs. You don't think about precautions when certain things don't happen. Like you're a child. If road accidents were not happening in America, all Americans are responsible drivers, why would you even think about precaution?
@@takeshikovach5165 its the equivalent of saying a seat belt isnt enough. You need a 5 point harness and crash helmet along with a roll cage in your car, because car accidents is what Im saying.
@@angelparrilla2068 so we shouldn't put unnecessary road blocks to voting. There you go, you made my argument for me. We put safety when problem happens.
@@takeshikovach5165 are you stupid or are you dictating while you type so you can hear yourself? Cause that wasnt your point at all, your point was wear a helmet in a car instead of trusting the seat belt thats there already.
"You can't just throw money at a problem! On an unrelated note, Mom, I need you to transfer more money to my checking account so I can buy food. Oh, you already sent it? No, I mean I need more than that. Ok, where was I? Oh right, I was explaining how money doesn't really solve problems...""
"But Destiny. If you point out that I was handed everything I've ever had then it makes me feel bad and I can't say that poor people wouldn't be helped by giving them some very simple aid. That makes me feel bad so you're wrong."
Destiny: X
Guy: WHAAT????
Destiny: *explains X*
Guy: okay, that's fair
By God, you've nailed it
but dude, life is not fair! I guess I don no I don no
Kinda ironic how Destiny was bumping X in the beginning lol
the guys a weirdo fan that was desperate for destinys attention. he was trying so hard
"Life isn't fair" is not a legitimate response to not help society...
...but if I repeat it enough it may look like an argument :>
there is a huge difference between helping someone with your own will and forcing all of society to bow down to the lowest common denominator of society. its not fair someone pointed at you in school and you got sad and stuffed food into your mouth until you are 400 lbs. that sucks but society should not have to pay for your medical care.
Christian Gerber we invest in elevating that person. If this person is developing an eating disorder because they are hyper sensitive to being insulted we can elevate their position by getting the mental help and support they need to better deal with unpleasant words.
Actually it would be fair because as a society they would have agreed to provide the same protections to any one needing help. If you don't care for that type of insurance then move to a place where other people agree with you. But at this point i feel, like you might as well criticize the general idea of taxes if you're going to complain about shit like this
"i don't use a car so i don't want to pay for roads" .
MrFuggleGuggle yes because helping those less fortunate is comparable to exterminating an entire race. Terrific analogy !
"You don't have to scream like that, dude."
And we're off.
FierceDeityLinkMask wtf it's like in the first 15 seconds my dude. It's literally the second sentence the guy said.
What the actual fuck was that even about.
These dude's are so trigger happy to get triggered it's retarded.
The irony is fucking palpable.
Haha, seriously wtf?
I actually wonder if this is a jokey reference to another Destiny stream where he gets told not to scream a bunch.
"I Came Out to Have a Good Time and I'm Honestly Feeling So Attacked Right Now"
This dude has literally never had to want for things in life. He has zero ability to understand why $50 is a lot of money to some people.
Not to mention the physical toll. He talks about it like a plan b pill is a legitimate form of contraception. Like just pop a day-after pill every time you fuck what's the problem?
Why would 50 dollars matter to you socialist idiots? You would force the rest of us to pay for their ID's in your ideal world anyway.
You idiots are all dishonest and stupid. Get ready for right-wing extremism globally.
Nelson Nunez “Your ideal world” that you just angrily made up lol, calm down.
It doesn't cost $50 to get an ID and I'm pretty sure you need an ID to get a job. So if you don't have a job, have no plan on getting an ID, you are not contributing in any way, you are gonna have to suffer and spend the $20 to get your ID.
@@JamesAllenQuinn not every id is accepted at the polls.. thats why the problem arises..
out of everything the kid said, the "$50 isnt that much to poor people" thing was the most ignorant.
The vast majority of poor people are in debt and this guy thinks that $50 is nothing lol.
you cant save 50 dollars a day in 4 years .
@@MWGui It's not that they never saw $50. It's that if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you aren't going to waste that on an ID so you can vote. You also aren't going to take a working day off so you can go to the DMV and get an ID. You have bigger priorities. This means that a certain group of people are being prevented from voting.
@@shithead157 when most ppl CANT afford a 400 emergency bill 50 bucks is a lot. It's not in the realm of a million dollars but a lot of ppl have to budget accordingly where 50 bucks can't just be loaned out on a whim.
Im a single mom of 4 and I work full time. If I was American, $50 is the difference between groceries,
School supplies, new shoes for my family. This guy is clueless
TLDR
>PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
>What do you mean by that?
>NO HANDOUTS, LIFE ISN'T FAIR.
David Kafka it's like I was at the RNC in person
Tell you what, kid. In my neighborhood we'll make birth control more accessible, and in your neighborhood you can stand on a street corner yapping "Personal sponsa-billa-tee! Personal sponsa-billa-tee!" over and over. We'll see who does better at addressing unwanted pregnancies.
That analogy was incredible. Even with all the time I had to get used to this guy, I'm still pretty shocked at how he responded to it. "if you remove the hurdles they won't learn to jump over them." By this guy's logic it feels like we should actually just be trying to insert as many hurdles as possible into rich peoples lives so they can become better people. I mean life's not fair right?
That was my exact takeaway as well. He's speaking about the hurdles as if it's virtuous to overcome them and then immediately after that he says that rich people don't have to jump those hurdles. The conclusion logically follows that rich people would benefit from learning the hard lessons of those hurdles so we should try to insert them where we can.
@@womenrespecter879 imagine believing that it isn’t for anyone.
Seriously, not everyone has the time to line up at the DMV for a few hours, especially since they’re only open during work days and working hours.
@@womenrespecter879 I nearly went blind from the unbelievably whiteness of this comment
@@jordinagel1184 Not to mention they aren't the most enjoyable or intuitive places either. You often have to fill out and bring in paperwork as well.
Don't have your Social Security Card and Birth Certificate? Well, you aren't getting any kind of I.D. Have fun in the hell of figuring out how to get those first, paying the fees involved, spending the time in-line for that. Only to come back for an i.d.
It is like people think you just show up to the DMV, give your name, pay $5 and they shoot your photo and hand you the i.d. on the spot. That isn't how this sh"t works.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 yeah, there are too many Americans who think that ID = ID, and free ID = actually free ID.
Digging yourself out of a 10 ft hole is harder than starting from the surface. You can tell this kid started from the surface and thinks he knows the struggle of living paycheck to paycheck having barely enough money to keep the lights on. I don't get why Destiny didn't bring up that most DMV's are only open during the work week and during normal working hours. A poor person can't simply take a day off work, then spend money for an ID if they can barely keep the lights on as is. It's basic logic.
that is a very stupid argument, if you think that you have to take a whole day off to get id maybe that is why you are poor.
This guy was born on a hill and managed to jump down onto surface level
lipton green tea i live in canada. In here you go to saaq( dmv equivalent) and it takes like max 1h
@@alexad7570 Where do you live lmao? here in ottawa the lines always out the door and depending what each persons trying to do it can be a wait of upwards of 4 hours lmfao
Also lets say for instance like me you dont have a car to bring you there so you have to take the bus but the closest place to me is a 2 hour bus ride so thats already edging on a full day of work it's fine to have opinions but not so fine when you're unable to remove your head from your ass
This should be titled: "Destiny teaches kid how to critically think properly"
' kid teaches destiny how to think preperly' just a small mistake,,,, no big deal your welcome dude
@@alexad7570 LMAO
@@alexad7570 lemme know when that black hole created by the deterministic universe we live in makes our society collapse.
"You don't have to scream like that"
*THIS BOUTTA BE GOOOD*
FierceDeity first fifteen seconds
And...here...we...go...
50:20 through 51:06 is the BEST.
The hamster in his brain had a fucking heart attack trying to compute the mental gymnastics necessary to refute that simple logic.
You keep repeating this nonsense about "handing them everything" when that is literally only true about people who are born in to the rich/upper-middle class, like you. Poor people aren't being handed shit in comparison, so I don't understand where you get this idea from.
No offence dude but you sound like a typical "fuck you I got mine" republican that never had a hard days work in their entire god damn life. So you can keep shitting on these people because you're obviously very bitter that some of your daddies inheritance money is going to those dirty poors, but just stop with this pretense like you have some higher noble goal of lifting people through the glory and virtue of hard work that you've never experienced.
lol ok bud ;)👍
Vincent But here specifically you're arguing against helping the poor...
Destiny is trying to argue that he wants to level the playing field. If you needed birth control, you don't need to put in nearly the same amount of work and effort to get it compared to a poor person that needs it. You say you value hard work but that's something that it seems like only poor people need to do (in this case, to get birth control).
Giving people birth control and access to public school is not "giving them everything", it's investing a comparatively small amount of money to combat a problem that will cost the state a lot more if ignored. No amount of narrative pushing is going to stop poor people from fucking so you will be dealing with the problem in some form no matter what.
Also, we could probably teach you a lot by seizing all of your family's assets and forcing you to live naked in a sewer eating rat meat. Adversity can teach you things. The point is that us non-poor folks are not expected to have any of those skills, and yet when we have the opportunity to alleviate some of those problems we hear "oh but then they'll never learn!" well if it works for all of us non-poor folk to never be forced to learn these things then what's the point of making sure they do?
Vincent Disilva How did you learn the value of hard work growing up in a comfortable middle class home? You got the free shit you complain about giving to the lower class and act so smug while doing it.
"You don't have to scream like that"- Guy who remains louder than Destiny for the entirety of the video
If your worried you sound racist then you should probably stop saying racist things.
My favorite is when he started to yell, "IF THIS STUPID BITCH CAN'T AFFOR--" and then composes himself and tries to calmly restart to, "if this _woman_ ..."
@onewithmyself Hey man, completely unrelated to your comment but have you ever seen someone with the political compass profile picture that was somewhere other than anarchist left?
@onewithmyself Alright thank you for your insight
imuglierthanyou holy shit you have the exact same political compass bearing as me nice
Seeing this dude disregard $50 as chump change made me realize I'm probably not middle class...
Chances are you probably support yourself and work for a living, vs this pink-haired clown who isn't likely to do much of any value...ever.
So I've recently got into watching destiny's videos on politics, and I know "destiny sucks at debates" is a meme. But I haven't seen that. He seems well versed and very well spoken. I think the internet lied to me
Its cause he keeps getting morons on lately that make him look very good. Not saying hes not a good debater or anything, but NoBullshit and Dick are low hanging fruit imo.
Robert Gutierrez He can be, as shown in his latest one on birth control, but he does go for low hanging fruit.
He comes off as a total asshole, that's the main reason. But he really isn't that terrible. I disagree with some of his views, but overall, entertaining as fuck and very eloquent and intelligent.
I'm personally a Post-Capitalist, so I disagree with a lot of his economics, but he is very intelligently and eloquently putting his points across. And I like that. I have respect for those I disagree with, but have a respectful and intelligent reasoning behind it. Which not a lot of people these days knows how to do.
Most people just shittalk each other and bitch and whine how wrong the "enemy side" is.
i don't think you watch good enough... he does suck at debating...
The world is full of morons and they hate people who are better than them at just "being".
AMAZIN
"I like to live in my world where condoms dont exist"
Easily outed as a virgin, lol
Why do we continually coddle the handicapped with those good parking spaces? Shouldn't I, as a hard-working man that has _not once_ been born with Polio, also have easy access to the Steak & Shake? These crippled people will never improve their condition if we just keep _handing them everything._
SecularStrategy lmao that’s AMAZIN’
i just think its really sad how people on the left think that handicapped persons cannot take care of themselves...
@@alexad7570 lmao there is a wide and huge spectrum when it comes to being handicapped
Savscer of course, i just mean that a lot of them don’t want to be treates lile babies
@@alexad7570 True some do, some don't have that choice ✌
Dang dude, I’m just wondering why this “fan” doesn’t just straight up say it. “I hate poor people and I want them punished for existing.” Good Republican though, he has a great future in Congress!
Thats the establishment and theres rats on both sides.
@@WoeWasMe One side passed the child tax credit.
The other side slashed people's access to healthcare.
Dems and Republicans are in no way equivalent.
yep. theyll try to bring up things like 'i dont want my tax dollars going towards paying for other peoples birth control,' or 'people need to take self accountability,' but ultimately they just want other people to suffer. i couldnt tell if this guy was trolling or not, but thats how these people actually think. theyll deluded themselves into believing poor people are the problem while being the regressive tumors of humanity
lol this fella instantly folds on every single point of contention
Lmfao the stuttering is hilarious, “destiny makes an extremely basic well known point” oh wait... uhh I guess I didn’t think about that
I'm so tired of this conservative "personal responsibility" and "life isn't fair" canned response to literally everything when you challenge their ideas.
"My failings and problems are now your problems, tee-hee-hee" needs to stop being the norm for the liberals.
What does society gain from not aiding its citizens? If we're not collectively going to enhance each others' lives, then what is the point of having a civilization to begin with?
These are just my sentiments, though.
yeah because its a personal failing to be born in an unfortunate situation.
MrFuggleGuggle thats called a civilization and community....... let me guess you're an anarchist
Civilization is a society or place that reaches a stage of social development and organization that is considered advanced.
I have yet to find an successful advanced culture that allowed a true welfare state, in the long term. Just because half a population is lazy, useless, irresponsible, or retarded doesn't mean the other half that is self-sufficient, responsible, savvy, and hard working should automatically have to pay for them. People who put an emphasis on community tend to be losers who can't stand on their own or are unwilling to compete.
You and those like you live in the United States because you are "allowed" to. The population is large enough that the government doesn't want to spend money to micromanage you life, and would be contrary to a little thing called FREEDOM. Because the USA is not like China which is literally trying to track your daily activities by the year 2023 (time spent driving, time spent on the internet instead of outside, time spent watching TV, etc.) to judge you as a good enough citizen worthy of tax breaks or government assistance. If you would like more oppressive, authoritarian government that promises no hunger while also limiting everything else you can do in life - please feel free to move there.
What this person is actually advocating is that monarchy is justified; feudalism is justified. It's perfectly fine that some people are born passed the finish line, while others are born many yards ahead of the starting line and still others are born miles behind the starting line. This moron is justifying ALL of that because it's their fault because they have no personal responsibility. That's absurd on its face.
in a nutshell this fox news-gruel fed knobcloud thinks that if you simply just tell people to be better, they will be better... - 20yr olds say the darndest things
right? so why isn't he a millionaire? its just work hard!!!!
#BeBest!
Dude concedes every point then two minutes later he forgets and starts over.
😅 Yup and how his voice changes almost when he does think he has a gotcha question
It always amazes me when people worry that they might sound racist. It's always the same kind of people that have this worry as well.
This guy is the living embodiment of a TH-cam commenter.
This speaker's stance on punishment is incredibly concerning, as if the poor are just dogs that needs to have it beaten into them to be better.
The poor need to exist to make others feel better about themselves? Sounds like this guy's rhetoric would go great during the French Revolution.
Exactly, people like this want poor people to fucking suffer and wallow in filth because it makes them feel better about themselves and that they’ve accomplished something in their lives
He doesn’t understand leveling the playing field.
A child can not take self responsibility.
A child does not personally choose to be born into a family that is poor.
If you believe in equality, you want everyone to have equal opportunities from the day they are born.
You do not want one kid to be born rich and another kid to be born poor. The rich kid will have much more of a chance to become a productive member of society even if the rich kid makes more mistakes than the poor kid.
In order to prevent things like this from happening, we turn to policy.we tax wealthier people and provide welfare to poor people as an attempt to level the playing field. We tax inheritance and provide public education as an attempt to level the playing field.
Destiny had the perfect example. Running a race where one person has hurdles and one person doesn’t is ridiculous. That means the person with hurdles must work twice as hard just to be tied with the other person. The person with hurdles has to take “personal responsibility” for a situation he himself had no choice in being placed in.
A person isn’t personally responsible for the situation they are born into. That argument is complete bullshit.
that's the difference between the right and left. left believe in equality of outcome and right believe in equality of opportunity. unfortunately nobody on the left realizes that. 'leveling the playing field' as you people say is the worst possible thing that you could do, first of all because it is impossible to totally control the environment in wich somebody is born. there will always be people more poor and more rich whether you like it or not, it is inevitable. what the right says is we cannot control in wich envirement you are born but we can make sure to give you opportunities to get out of it. and say what you want but there is no other place in the world than capitalist countries where you can start at the bottom of the ladder and finish at the top! many countries have tried the ' level the playing field method' (wich is also known as socialism).and it as never worked so far. not even remotely close. also it has led to the death of more than 100 M people in the last century... capitalism is not perfect but it is by far the best system in wich you can live in 2019.
@@alexad7570 Great meme
@@brandonhopkins5241 loll go back to your room and watch dragon ballz kid. let the adults talk a little bit
@@alexad7570 Out of all the comebacks I've heard, that was by far the weakest😂
@@brandonhopkins5241 worst than "great meme" ? youd did not adressed anything i said because you can't. so you resort to trolling because you have nothing to say. sad.
"life isn't fair." right. that's why it's our job to MAKE it fair. nature and evolution are not fair. but we have brains, and it's our job to MAKE life more fair, to level the playing field.
Fairness does NOT mean breaking everyone else's legs because certain people can't walk.
@@michaelantonio no one said that. It’ll be more like people that can run looking at people who have problems running and saying, maybe instead of just telling them to run correctly, we should educate and teach them about the correct way to do it, not just saying “just run it’s not hard”. Uplifting others in society even if it cost you a little bit of money is better for everyone, Destiny talked about this in future opportunities, growth is good.
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I like how this guy's voice gets higher and higher along the debate. I guess he's just a kid who's got taught some "values" and refuses to think mommy and daddy can be wrong about anything.
“ if we remove the hurdles, they’ll never learn how to jump them”
So?
If there are no hurdles why would we care if they can jump them or not?
It’s an almost religious view. It’s like conservatives think that this life is some sort of morality obstacle course set up by god to test the worthy.
How can one man wreck all the right wings talking points whilst simultaneously playing vidya games.
Right Wing Talking Points require so little of his cognitive real estate.
Or he's JUST THAT GOOD at video games.
Right wing talking points are refuted by breathing and having a pulse.
Wants people to take personal responsibility and to learn consequences, but would go and commit a crime in an instant if there were no rules.
I grew up in a poor(
The reason this kid didn't know how to respond to the 40k vs 400k analogy is because he doesn't seem to understand the value of a dollar.
The most privileged white kid I've ever heard.
"I like to live in my world where condoms dont exist"
Absolutely a virgin.
$20?? I live in NY State and it cost me $80 last time I had to renew my driver's license
"Yeah, I guess you're right but I can't admit I'm wrong" for an hour.
Middle-Class Kid🤔: y do I have to pay taxes to give services to the poor to help them overcome
Middle-class Kid🤔: please everyone pay taxes so I can have socialized police & fire department ; free roads
If it's so easy to get ID and the government wants everyone to vote, why don't they supply everyone with IDs.
@@Redportal Birth certificate doesnt have a picture it needs a picture
The sensible solution
Liberals like destiny just hold their hands up, write off ID as racist and allow the voter fraud that only benefits the left
Supply everyone with ID and it removes the "poor blacks" argument.
@Toby Pham
Sure, I don't mind the finer logistics.
I'm just saying the American Left acts as if paying for ID is a given, and it doesn't have to be. If ID were free, what would be the issue? Their argument over costs and poor blacks would be moot. But I suspect they object not because it's a valid argument but because deeper down, they wish to allow for backdoors into elections.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld There wouldn’t be an issue if IDs were free, that’s why we advocate for it. Voting is a constitutional right and poor people in general can’t afford it taking into account the time it takes as well as cost. If you need an ID to vote, but the government doesn’t subsidize the first one, I think that’s fucked up. So yes, supply everyone with an ID to vote and the “poor people” argument is gone, that’s the point.
@@TheOutgoingClan
Yet I've never seen a liberal like Destiny ever concede that. They seem to enjoy unverified voters and the potential for fraud.
The UK and Australian voter system > the US
This is the most one sided debate I've ever seen.
My whole thing is if the guy's only real rebuttal is "Life's Not Fair." He should stick and land on that. Don't try to justify it by saying "You can't give people free shit cause then they'll never learn. People must face the consequences of their actions..." and then admit that well off people don't have to face the same consequences.
Just say, "I don't give a fuck what people have to go through, life isn't fair. I know it's irational and fucked up but I like to feel superior to others and watch them suffer and I also don't want to compete with poor people who are given the same opportunities as me because I know I was pampered all my life and I'll get obliterated if they were given the opportunities to succeed. And I don't want to compete or live around black people."
If he said that, I'd have more respect for him and his decisions.
_"I agree, but I disagree! I totally understand what you are saying, but I dont! I support that, but I dont!"_
60 minutes later
_"I agree, but I disagree! I totally understand what you are saying, but I dont! I support that, but I dont!"_
MAKE. UP. YOUR. MIND. ALREADY. JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS CHRIST.
Nailed it, Steven. Thanks again for being one of the few who makes my Alma Mater (prep) proud! :)
this kid is actually just arguing for the sake of arguing, he's just blindly disagreeing with everything destiny says
“Learn good moral values”. This dude you just found the cure for poverty!
I know this guy. He goes by fishy in the HS community. Nothing he says should be taken seriously. Troll 100%.
This guy hasn't thought deeply about his positions at all, he just instinctively hates poor people.
"50$ isnt much" wtf thats groceries for a week
The problem is that Destiny just don't understand how much cheaper it is for rich people to say "personal responsibility"
If liberal democratic policies like welfare are keeping poor people poor, then shouldn't third world countries have the highest rates of upward mobility and the lowest amounts of poverty?
I'm pretty sure places like Somalia aren't known for their generous safety nets.
@Wet Stoffels yea look at Asian countries with no safety net, the upward mobility is also pretty shitty.
and black people dont have IQ of 75
His arguments make sense if you’re 15 years old
Why is it that it's always the people who are born into nice rich families are the ones advocate for personal responsibility shit.Says 'You can't just hand people stuff, they won't learn from that' while being handed everything literally everything and advocating for 'personal responsibility'.
what a bad title considering thats the discussion for a whole 5 minutes
Just because he isn't saying VOTER ID LAW, BLACK PEOPLE every sentence dosn't mean that the discussion isn't on the same subject.
Thorguy exactly. The voter ID discussion led to the root of its cause (in a conservatives mind, anyways) which is believed by some to be the fault, or the lack of personal responsibility on the part of the voter, not the members of Government Who passed the legislation targeting said voters in the first place. It’s victim blaming 101. It’s essentially like blaming a grown person who was raped as a child for still having trauma from the situation and telling them to “take personal responsibility” for yourself and your situation. Even if the responsibility is not on that person. And there you have the boot straps meme in a nut shell. It’s victim blaming.
The dude who believes that 'wearing a condom is the sole responsibility of the womans' problem with trying to understand this is simply because he has no idea that for a group of Americans living in today's world, that to even just find an extra $25 is a lot of money.
"Personal responsibility," " handout stuff for free" and "life isn't fair, dude." This one hit every conservative meme. Nothing exceptional here.
Ive been waiting for this one to get uploaded. This shit was fucking gold.
this guy thinks money grows on trees?
im in school and work part time 13.50/hr after union fees its about 8/hr
49.95 for plan B is a whole days wages
i dont mind because its just a part time job as a student but you got to remember there are people out there working this job as their CAREER.
thats fucking privilege right there
@@womenrespecter879 why not?
@@womenrespecter879 yes
49:26 kid legit takes 10 seconds and has nothing to say as his ideology crumbles before his own eyes.
Brilliant.
"Wow Destiny you calling these people to stupid to be able to get I.D".... 15 secs later "I dont think you should be able to vote if you cant even go out and get a simple I.D"
Rich kid🤔: No Bullshit is stupid
Rich kid🤔: I use different words to arrive at same conclusion as No BullShit
41:07 love how this dude is acting like $50 is no big deal when even me, a guy living with his parents who gets basically free money from them, still struggles to spend $30 cause I think that's spending too much .
"If you remove the hurdles, the people won't learn how to jump over them"
If you remove the hurdles, they won't NEED to jump over them!! Thats the point!
'Life is unfairrrrrrr'
Fishy "I have poor friends" seems like familiar meme. I wonder why. Lul
He pretty much crushed this dude by 8 minutes in. Excellent.
I just imagine this kid at age 11 seeing his poor friend’s bedroom for the first time and going:
“Well it sucks that you were born into a poor family s-s-shure but you need to take responsibility and just like make the right like choices and then you can get an xbox like me. I don’t want to be handing stuff out to you because like then you won’t take responsibility like me”
I love how he starts with telling you not to yell, and then yells for the entire video
Its crazy how unintelligent this kid is but like 60% of ppl think like him. It doesnt matter if it is easy as a single act to purchase a condom, it matters that on a large scale, policies like free condoms would empirically reduce unwanted pregnancies.
I could hear his seething hatred for women when he said "if this stupid bitch" at 42:58 .
In surprised Destiny didn’t call out this circular argument. People need to take responsibility because life isn’t fair. Life isn’t fair because people need to take responsibility.
"I didnt know there was poor people until i was 11 or 12" hahaha holy shit!
50$ is literally a weeks worth of groceries for me and my girlfriend...
I live in sweden and i get free education, currently studying in university, and even i realize that 50$ is alot of money for not only some people but for most people.
Om du sparar 10kr per månad har du lätt råd med ett ID i USA och transport kostnaden för att inskaffa den framtill den förra utgår. Hur kan man ens vara en vuxen utan ett jävla ID asså?!
Why the fuck do these people keep calling arguments memes? It's so incredibly cringe-inducing.
LFM Jean they're literally memes. Its cringey you dont understand what a meme is.
Giving people the _"tools to succeed,"_ is much different than:
"Giving people EVERYTHING!"
Basic food, contraception, and education is not _"EVERYTHING."_
45:59 finally he was honest about how he’s felt the whole time
*Says a woman is irresponsible for not buying condemns or contraception*
*Then wants to then force her to take care of a child*
Makes sense!
This guy plays hearthstone you can't explain to him a hard work meme. That game is very low on the skill side and extremely extremely high on the pay to win side. The struggles of being rich buying every card and net decking all day long boohoo
I know this was 3 years ago, but holy shit... a commenter said it right. His parents shouldn't help him so he could learn how to jump over the 'hurdles', I mean how else is he going to learn IF his parents remove all the hurdles for him?
Being poor shouldn't mean having cereal for dinner...
My parents are lower middle class and ive been on my own for about 5 years now.
I can ask for my parents for money bc they dont make enough to help me.
I do not have a way to get a car easily. The state i live in has mandatory insurance and terrible roads. This makes owning a car extremely expensive. At a $20,000 a year, it may not be as viable if i have a kid or debt or whatever and i cant get a better job.
*Do you realize how harmful it is to tell people what theyve accomplished doesnt mean shit?"
*Actively argues worse off people should just take responsibility and realize they were idiots and ruined their life*
"Should we not have people drive to the polls?"
Yes, in Oregon we vote by mail.
AND IN THAT FUCKING BILL IN NC THEY CUT THE FUCKING TIME TO MAIL IN YOUR VOTE BY A WEEK!!!
This kid didn't make one argument that wasn't 100% grounded in his emotions. 100%
45:00 wait, you have to punish them more for being born into a bad situation?
I wonder if he wakes up in a cold sweat remembering this conversation
"You don't have to scream at me"
hey man relax LUL
“The crown is taxing us for breathing, please can we do something?”
“Life isn’t fair”
"Its an extra precaution"
So is wearing a helmet wherever the fuck you go, doesnt mean you need it.
Yeah, but accidents do happen, it's demonstrated, so you put helmet.
If it wasn't happening there wouldn't be an requirement.
They did happen in the past, happens now, that's why we use precaution.
Idiot.
Voter fraud hasn't been demonstrated to be a problem, where it occurs it is usually investigated and gets easily caught.
And we already use ballots specially to make sure machine isn't involved since there problem occurs.
You don't think about precautions when certain things don't happen. Like you're a child.
If road accidents were not happening in America, all Americans are responsible drivers, why would you even think about precaution?
@@takeshikovach5165 its the equivalent of saying a seat belt isnt enough. You need a 5 point harness and crash helmet along with a roll cage in your car, because car accidents is what Im saying.
@@angelparrilla2068 so we shouldn't put unnecessary road blocks to voting. There you go, you made my argument for me. We put safety when problem happens.
@@takeshikovach5165 are you stupid or are you dictating while you type so you can hear yourself? Cause that wasnt your point at all, your point was wear a helmet in a car instead of trusting the seat belt thats there already.
Expects poor people to use condoms. Dosent actually use them himself. Lmfao
this kid can't think more than 2 steps ahead. how can anyone who sounds like they've been through puberty still sound this naive?
Poor people just need to stop whining and work 800 hours per week. It's not that hard, just get a time machine.
"I am like a pretty well known Hearthstone memer" when that's your claim to fame. #SuperiorCulture
This kid got fucking demolished on every point holy fuck
I don't know how Destiny gives this kid an hour; he's barely worth the TH-cam comment.
"You can't just throw money at a problem! On an unrelated note, Mom, I need you to transfer more money to my checking account so I can buy food. Oh, you already sent it? No, I mean I need more than that. Ok, where was I? Oh right, I was explaining how money doesn't really solve problems...""
45:30 i've never laughed this hard in a while fucking kek
"But Destiny. If you point out that I was handed everything I've ever had then it makes me feel bad and I can't say that poor people wouldn't be helped by giving them some very simple aid. That makes me feel bad so you're wrong."
I really like listening to Destiny debate, except when he went all sociopath on Vegan Gains.
I love this dude. His position is basically "if you're more fucked than you shout have higher expectations put on to you"
Well that was a fairly pleasant discussion...
The guy's vocal fry was pretty annoying though