Upgrade your Joule Box with a LOHC hydrogen system and you get even more energy density storage at ambient temperature pressure without fear of explosive decompression.
hello I build my first Hydrogen cel 20 years ago to run my Chevy 350 v 8 truck a 100 miles a day to work , now with the price of gas and retired living on SOC SEC checks I need to one for my Lincoln Continental my riding more ,and my 1960 C J 5 Willys Jeep /with my new rebuild motor , //great job
Pretty cool for making up to $500 worth of electricity (~1500kWh) per year. Of course that's if all the energy gets stored and used from the batteries. If say 3/4 of it gets converted to H2 for longer term storage and back to electricity, then it's more like $220 worth of usable electric per year.
I visited your website. I'm interested in either buying a hydrogen refueling station or building my own station in my own home. But how do I get in contact with you about this. There isn't anything on your site.
Could you use hydrogen in propane powered refrigerators and hvac units? Seems like you could adapt them to burn the hydrogen just like they do the propane to operate the refrigeration cycle.
price? ordering and deliver details? the website has not enough info and no actual specs either... i'm just now building up our off grid system in sweden. 20kW solar PV being installed this month with smart controller and battery. H2 storage fuel cell planned in but no supplier chosen yet. please give us more info, thanks ;-)
I would say, not without a much larger compressor and specialty tanks. I am also doubtful that you'd get a usable amount of hydrogen from this system for the use in hydrogen cars. I dont think you'd get more than 1.2kg of hydrogen from something of this power output per day, minus the energy required to compress it to 200 bar.
Let's do some math to see just how nuts it is. First, let's look at the solar panels- 2 kW worth of nameplate will make about 2400 kWh/yr of electricity. At 60% efficiency (55 kWh/kg) that's 44 whole kg per year- 9 fills of a Toyota Mirai- enough to take the car a whopping 2900 miles- per year! But wait, there's more! He's storing the hydrogen in propane tanks. A propane tank has a relief valve setting of 375 psig, so max operating of about 300 psig before the relief valve leaks (it probably leaks hydrogen at 100 psig, but that's another matter). At 300 psig, hydrogen has a density of about 1.65 kg/m3- it basically stores no significant amount of hydrogen! He has a "high pressure" version which uses T size cylinders which are themselves only 6000 psig- those aren't even high enough pressure to refill a vehicle, though they are a hell of a lot more costly and dangerous. But wait, there's more! He's not using the hydrogen to refuel your FCEV, because he can't achieve the 700 bar pressure you'd need. No, he's running it through a fuelcell to make electricity! So now we're talking about taking the 2400 kWh/yr from the panels, and converting that to hydrogen (60% efficient), storing it (say 95% efficient because of the low storage pressure) then converting it back to electricity using PEMFC (50%) efficient. 2400 kWh/yr becomes 2400*0.8*0.95*0.5 = 684 kWh/yr- about $137 CDN worth of electricity to recharge your EV. Still think this makes any sense? But of course we've forgotten that his unit would be legal nowhere, despite his claims about "CE certification" which of course means nothing in this context. In comparison, he could have used the panels to recharge the car directly (90% efficiency), or to recharge batteries to then recharge the car later (81% efficiency). What purpose does the hydrogen serve here, except to make the battery smaller and waste most of the collected energy? Again, don't hold your breath about making hydrogen at home folks- it's not going to happen- certainly not to refill your FCEV at 700 bar.
Green Hydrogen is of course the only present solution that gives us necessary power to fuel long range airplane flight, long range truck distances, long range train and road personal transport vehicles, especially in colder weather. It is the only renewable energy solution (solar, wind and sea turbine generated hydrogen) for ridding our planet of extremely dangerous carbon dioxide producing oil products, 10% of which... if brought into direct contact with the breathing apparatus of our biologies chances possibility of death. Carbon dioxide murders, fact... and it is a resulting emission of all major fuelling sources; kerosene, diesel, petrol transport systems. The problem with this particularly monstrous construction seems to be storage, though great enthusiasm never fails us. God bless
@@L.M1792 Yes but we wouldnt produce that at small scale at home At home for for communities flow batteries are the best long term solution Hydrogen will likely fill the diesel niche
citation Sloth We can produce green hydrogen at any level through hydrogen generators. They are cheap affordable products and convert water into usable hydrogen. Green hydrogen produces great power in colder weather. God bless
@@L.M1792 the energy conversion rate is far to low to compete on smaller scale Do you know how hydrogen generators work Wasteful to an extreme (still better the gas tho lmao) Maybe after perovskite cells get going but for now It's not viable And even then it will be a waste at small scales As I said large scale diesel replacement And airplanes
citation Sloth It is the conversion of water, the waste is continuation of poisonous fuels. “All green divestment is good investment” I don’t know if I lifted that comment from Animal Farm, but the message is clear, divest now or watch consumption levels rid us of our breathing environment. God bless
I miss Ed Begley Jr. on his TV show all about living green. It was inspiring to learn all the ways to recycle, compost, grey water reuse, alternative energy and drive a zero emission vehicle . The Joule Box Hydrogen Charge Station would fit in perfect at my house. I would love to convert my internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles to run on compressed H2. I only drive about 600 miles a month. 20 mile range per day is all I would need. I wonder if water injection with hydrogen fuel would boost the power output of the ICE. I know it works with gasoline. If not a hydrogen fuel cell car sounds quite attractive. Another way to store surplus alternative energy is making Liquid Air. The cryogenic liquid can be store at atmospheric pressure. Peter Dearman has a modified ICE to run on Liquid Air. There is a big effort to use Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Air to create 22,000 new jobs in England. Liquid Air will expand 700 times at room temperature. It is a low cost to make.
@marthale7 I have a feeling English is not your first language ... I hope you will not mind if I correct you with a grammar mistake here . You would not want to say an standard car ... Instead you would say a standard car .
If you want to only have panels on your roof then you would be much better off using a battery system. Hydrogen only has an efficiency 1/3 that of battery so you would need 3 times as many panels.
This small panel surface will create near no hydrogen, it create hydrogen, sure... just small quantity which make this system pretty expensive for what it is.
2000 watts of solar panels, but seriously, you lose a lot of that energy by storing it as compressed hydrogen and using it in a Mirai, so what is the efficiency? The same setup using battery storage and a modern EV will give you more than twice the distance, right?
I imagine the efficiency is somewhere around... 15%. Since those panels are definitely low efficiency if they are so light. And you lose about 30-50% of that efficiency through electrolysis.
@@Diviance It is much worse than that. Running hydrogen through fuel cells to propel the car will cut the efficiency in another half so you are down well below 10% closer to 5%.
gps tracking seems stupidly expensive since there are cheaper tracking methods that automatically send the solar panels back to where the sun rises then uses this simple sunlight tracker that does the rest.
Pardon my ignorance, but why make power to run an EV when your hydrogen could run the vehicle itself? Ev's are not green to produce, whilst fuel cell powered vehicles emit zero harm to the environment. Can we not produce enough hydrogen on demand so it doesn't have to be stored? Even if I had to tow a trailer covered in hydrogen electrolysis units it would be better than petrol / diesel powered vehicles. Or roof mounted perhaps?
You've been severely misled if you think a FCEV causes zero harm to produce. It would seem like if you're going through the trouble of losing 1/2 the energy by converting the solar power to H2 that it would make sense to just put it in a FCEV. But it probably doesn't really make a difference if you convert it to electricity and charge an EV battery taking about the same loss as compressing the hydrogen to 10,000 psi to get it into a FCEV like the Mirai and use the Mirai's fuel cell to drive it's electric motors and charge it's batteries. You'd need some extra equipment to fuel the FCEV. The biggest problem is this JouleBox only has a 40gal propane tank. That only holds 0.038kg of hydrogen stored at 200 psi. That gets a Mirai a little over 2 miles down the road.
Batteries. LFP batteries are way cheaper. That "cheap" 40lb propane tank he shows only holds 0.038kg of hydrogen stored at 200 psi. Unlike propane, hydrogen doesn't liquefy at 200psi. Which when run back through the fuel cell to make electricity only makes 620Wh of electricity. Yes, Watt hours, not Kilo Watt Hours. If you store hydrogen in 200 psi propane tanks, you'd need at least a 1000 gallon tank to do anything with. a 1000 gallon propane tank can hold 4kg of H2 which would give you back 66kWh though a fuel cell, about enough to fill a modern EV battery. And that JouleBox sticker just covers up a standard SMA Sunny Island grid tie inverter/battery controller.
Hello frend, I see that you have an electric car, ok that's good for you. The most likely product is a small hydrogen station to supply the mini tank of an hydrogen bike, so everyone may appreciate the advantages of technology. Bye bye
I just calculated that ignoring the windmill for a moment (because inside a city that's going to make very little), the unit would make and store about $140 worth of electricity a year if that electricity has to go from the 2400 kWh/yr made by 2 kW of panels, through a 60% efficient electrolyzer, a 95% efficient storage compressor and a 50% efficient fuelcell. Skip the hydrogen and stick with batteries- you'll end up at 80% rather than less than 35% efficiency- and it'll be safer too.
how much will it cost, if it's 20kW plant for every 10 house hold ( average) , which every 10 house hold could sell the power to every EV pass by and use for their house ?
That's genius more or less but the price has got to come down a lot for it to be mainstream, and for it to be mainstream, more people have got to have it, it's a bit sad that it's the same sort of situation hydrogen fuel cell cars are in with their lacking infrastructure in majority of the World, wicked technologies, so much potential when done right and they have got the means, just need the will to do it and have it running and stored on renewables. Can't wait for all that to happen sooner rather than later I hope.
@@abel4776 'Said the person who has stakes in oil companies' 😅😂🤣 Who the fuck are you trying to fool, bitch? Pull your head out of your arse and stop believing everything the oil industry tell you in their manipulated studies.
Imagine it the government bought everyone one of these for their driveway. Imagine if they also offered to convert your current vehicles to hydrogen power. Imagine the power problem being solved and an app that shows you where supplies are when you're traveling. Your home being a gas station you could sell hydrogen to passersby... Imagine logic Nationwide
TBH, that's what people do now. Back then, batteries were expensive. LFP batteries makes the whole thing a waste of money now. The 40 lb propane tank on the back only holds 0.038kg of hydrogen stored at 200 psi. That only produces 0.6kWh of electric out of a fuel cell. Enough to drive that plugin hybrid a little over 2 miles. You'd need one of those 1000 gal propane tanks (that weigh 1700lbs) to charge a modern EV battery.
awesome project. I am also working on this type of project. I have some difficulty releted to hydrogen production. can I have your email I'd please. thank you
natural materials like hemp can produce more plastic per tonne than crude oil....crude oil is the planets energy source and we steal it like it dont matter....when the continents traverse one and other and the oil and gas pockets arent there to fuel the earths core, it will stop providing us with an atmosphere and it will be too late...teslar was a great man who invented for all mankind, eddison invented for profit and the industrial complex....
+jmpmcd There is a book about hemp. There are 50,000 uses and more each day from industrial Hemp. The book is called The Hemp Plant Humankind Savior by Jeff Meints.
+Elgoog Ssie In these hot summer months we burn up 23 KWH a day. We are paying around 17 cents per KWH here in Los Angeles. Everyone in our neighborhood is going solar with the finance of a PPA. Zero Down and Zero Emissions. Nobody has a H2 car or even EV. Lots of Tesla, Leaf and no H2 fuel cells. H2 fuel sell for $10 a KG which is equivalent to a gallon of gas. We had a H2 fueling station on Santa Monica Bl but shell closed the pumps down. The latest announcement I heard was 25 new H2 fueling stations are going to open in L.A. A company called MagneGas can make hydrogen at less than a $1 per KG.
No. I own TSLA. And it is not enough for house, just check specs. Maybe if you live in a one-room apartment and don't own EV. Hydrogen was added just to be cool. You need like 3kW of electricity to get 1kW of electricity back from hydrogen. That's max. Excellent system. Bravo.
Yes but it doesn't work well in winter. Surprise surprise. Also rain. EMP proof - tinfoil guys. Powerwall2 - if it can't hold 10kWh of hydrogen energy (net energy) or costs more than Powerwall, game over. Powerwall fits on a wall, not on a pallet.
...and it can't. It claims to store the hydrogen in "propane cylinders" which are only 375 psig MAWP- 300 psig max operating pressure (and likely leak H2 badly at 300 psig). That's 1.65 kg/m3...And his "high pressure version" looks like it has a few T size cylinders, what 6,000 psig? Not even high enough pressure to fill a fuelcell car. The whole thing is ludicrous. By my calc he'd be able to store about $140/yr worth of electricity as hydrogen assuming the 2kW worth of panels and ignoring the wind turbine (a fair bet to ignore that if you live in a city)
LMAO, it costs about $4000 to build this. Selling for It will need most of the expensive items replaced$75,000. There is no market for a 30% efficient POS at that cost. It will need most of its units replaced every 1-5 years. Likely cost of energy from this junk, $20.00 per KWH. Can we all say Bankrupt?
The market for it is as it says.. a storage medium for solar power. Depending on what the eventual current rating winds up being for Tesla's powerwall.. storing that power with hydrogen could certainly be an option. My bet is still on battery storage, but this is a viable option IMHO. The one thing this video doesn't address and likely what drives the cost way up.. is that this uses a hydrogen power cell.. not a motor generator. Because of this.. it contains about $20,000 of platinum. If you think it was bad with vagrants stealing aluminum siding and copper pipe... just wait till word get's out that there is platinum in this thing.
What surface and money do I need, if I live in an appartment block, and on the 2nd floor, and there are neighbours above me? I mean, I would like to be sustainable, but it seems to be these green money-saving systems only suck more money than they give you. However, I would like to find something cheap and plausible for about 400-500$. I have heard about a type of solar panels which you can put on your windows, instead of glass panels. And then there are all those invertors and batteries, and they make this business risky, and it's likely you will break something and will not return even 20% of what you invested, though the aim was to SAVE money. I wonder what solutions there are for flats in European countries, and what I can power from them. Can they run at least one Pc for 10 years and cost cheaper than the conventional gridelectricity? I highly doubt it, no matter how I anticipate this moment. Drop me a line when this becomes possible, seriously, practically, please.
This is a great product. I hope we have a common market to develop.
I love it! Want one!!
it is not cheap 35000 USD Hydrogen generator plus need you to buy will solar power system 25000USD
Well done mate...its got the lot im really impressed
Amazing...makes me want to move off grid
Upgrade your Joule Box with a LOHC hydrogen system and you get even more energy density storage at ambient temperature pressure without fear of explosive decompression.
Odd. Here we are 8 years later and no one has ever heard of this.
A system like this would make you energy independent, that's not what the energy companies want.
hello I build my first Hydrogen cel 20 years ago to run my Chevy 350 v 8 truck a 100 miles a day to work , now with the price of gas and retired living on SOC SEC checks I need to one for my Lincoln Continental my riding more ,and my 1960 C J 5 Willys Jeep /with my new rebuild motor , //great job
new jeép j5 plug innhybrude
How well does it perform in winter?
Pretty cool for making up to $500 worth of electricity (~1500kWh) per year. Of course that's if all the energy gets stored and used from the batteries. If say 3/4 of it gets converted to H2 for longer term storage and back to electricity, then it's more like $220 worth of usable electric per year.
I visited your website. I'm interested in either buying a hydrogen refueling station or building my own station in my own home. But how do I get in contact with you about this. There isn't anything on your site.
What kind of electrolysis system is used..is it off the shelf
Worth it in desperate times for electricity
Or renewable energy in the future
Awesome Mike!! thanks
Could you use hydrogen in propane powered refrigerators and hvac units? Seems like you could adapt them to burn the hydrogen just like they do the propane to operate the refrigeration cycle.
Yes you can as the gentlemen who is in this video has a house that has been doing that for years now :)
you can but why??? It's way more costly and less efficient.
@@jimhigens5464 he makes it at home, so yeah, way less expensive.
price? ordering and deliver details? the website has not enough info and no actual specs either... i'm just now building up our off grid system in sweden. 20kW solar PV being installed this month with smart controller and battery. H2 storage fuel cell planned in but no supplier chosen yet. please give us more info, thanks ;-)
This is not Mike's video, you need to contact him though the email on the website not some random TH-cam video comment section.
I really want one they look so cool but I don’t happen to have thousands of dollars sitting around so I’ll just have to dream about it
The most energy dense "piece of equipment" on the planet is a nuclear power plant.
what part is converting the hydrogen into electricity?
Hey bud I am from India. I like your innovative mind for green energy. I would like to discuss business. How can I get in touch with you?
Can the high pressure tank upgrade provide enough pressure and correct type of hydrogen gas to directly refuel a Toyota Mirai or other HFC vehicle?
Absolutely
I would say, not without a much larger compressor and specialty tanks. I am also doubtful that you'd get a usable amount of hydrogen from this system for the use in hydrogen cars. I dont think you'd get more than 1.2kg of hydrogen from something of this power output per day, minus the energy required to compress it to 200 bar.
How much these joule box can cost?
Another awesome idea on a channel that hasn't created a video in over 5 years. What happens to these guys?
I'm wondering the same thing.
Articles came out as Paul Delanoe being fraudulent and scamming clients.
They get wacked by the oil moguls…
he has more recent vids I just looked at his channel today and I'm pretty sure some of them aren't that old .
Just look at hydrogen house project channel
Let's do some math to see just how nuts it is. First, let's look at the solar panels- 2 kW worth of nameplate will make about 2400 kWh/yr of electricity. At 60% efficiency (55 kWh/kg) that's 44 whole kg per year- 9 fills of a Toyota Mirai- enough to take the car a whopping 2900 miles- per year! But wait, there's more! He's storing the hydrogen in propane tanks. A propane tank has a relief valve setting of 375 psig, so max operating of about 300 psig before the relief valve leaks (it probably leaks hydrogen at 100 psig, but that's another matter). At 300 psig, hydrogen has a density of about 1.65 kg/m3- it basically stores no significant amount of hydrogen! He has a "high pressure" version which uses T size cylinders which are themselves only 6000 psig- those aren't even high enough pressure to refill a vehicle, though they are a hell of a lot more costly and dangerous. But wait, there's more! He's not using the hydrogen to refuel your FCEV, because he can't achieve the 700 bar pressure you'd need. No, he's running it through a fuelcell to make electricity!
So now we're talking about taking the 2400 kWh/yr from the panels, and converting that to hydrogen (60% efficient), storing it (say 95% efficient because of the low storage pressure) then converting it back to electricity using PEMFC (50%) efficient. 2400 kWh/yr becomes 2400*0.8*0.95*0.5 = 684 kWh/yr- about $137 CDN worth of electricity to recharge your EV. Still think this makes any sense? But of course we've forgotten that his unit would be legal nowhere, despite his claims about "CE certification" which of course means nothing in this context. In comparison, he could have used the panels to recharge the car directly (90% efficiency), or to recharge batteries to then recharge the car later (81% efficiency). What purpose does the hydrogen serve here, except to make the battery smaller and waste most of the collected energy? Again, don't hold your breath about making hydrogen at home folks- it's not going to happen- certainly not to refill your FCEV at 700 bar.
Green Hydrogen is of course the only present solution that gives us necessary power to fuel long range airplane flight, long range truck distances, long range train and road personal transport vehicles, especially in colder weather. It is the only renewable energy solution (solar, wind and sea turbine generated hydrogen) for ridding our planet of extremely dangerous carbon dioxide producing oil products, 10% of which... if brought into direct contact with the breathing apparatus of our biologies chances possibility of death.
Carbon dioxide murders, fact...
and it is a resulting emission of all major fuelling sources; kerosene, diesel, petrol transport systems.
The problem with this particularly monstrous construction seems to be storage, though great enthusiasm never fails us.
God bless
@@L.M1792
Yes but we wouldnt produce that at small scale at home
At home for for communities flow batteries are the best long term solution
Hydrogen will likely fill the diesel niche
citation Sloth We can produce green hydrogen at any level through hydrogen generators. They are cheap affordable products and convert water into usable hydrogen.
Green hydrogen produces great power in colder weather.
God bless
@@L.M1792 the energy conversion rate is far to low to compete on smaller scale
Do you know how hydrogen generators work
Wasteful to an extreme (still better the gas tho lmao)
Maybe after perovskite cells get going but for now
It's not viable
And even then it will be a waste at small scales
As I said large scale diesel replacement
And airplanes
citation Sloth
It is the conversion of water,
the waste is continuation of poisonous fuels.
“All green divestment is good investment”
I don’t know if I lifted that comment from Animal Farm, but the message is clear,
divest now or watch consumption levels rid us of our breathing environment.
God bless
Is this Joule Box Portable Hydrogen Power Plant available in Europe (France, Belgium, etc) to buy ?
I miss Ed Begley Jr. on his TV show all about living green. It was inspiring to learn all the ways to recycle, compost, grey water reuse, alternative energy and drive a zero emission vehicle . The Joule Box Hydrogen Charge Station would fit in perfect at my house. I would love to convert my internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles to run on compressed H2. I only drive about 600 miles a month. 20 mile range per day is all I would need. I wonder if water injection with hydrogen fuel would boost the power output of the ICE. I know it works with gasoline. If not a hydrogen fuel cell car sounds quite attractive. Another way to store surplus alternative energy is making Liquid Air. The cryogenic liquid can be store at atmospheric pressure. Peter Dearman has a modified ICE to run on Liquid Air. There is a big effort to use Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Air to create 22,000 new jobs in England. Liquid Air will expand 700 times at room temperature. It is a low cost to make.
@marthale7 I have a feeling English is not your first language ... I hope you will not mind if I correct you with a grammar mistake here .
You would not want to say an standard car ...
Instead you would say a standard car .
How much does it cost, and how many do you need for a large 4000 sq foot home?
it is not cheap 35000 USD Hydrogen generator plus need you to buy will solar power system 25000USD
If you want to only have panels on your roof then you would be much better off using a battery system. Hydrogen only has an efficiency 1/3 that of battery so you would need 3 times as many panels.
How can you get it to the UK(England)?
old video...where is energy independence? why not EVERY home?
EVERY SINGLE HOME 👏👏👏👏
tip of the hat...awesome
This small panel surface will create near no hydrogen, it create hydrogen, sure... just small quantity which make this system pretty expensive for what it is.
How much is it? I wanna buy one
it is not cheap 35000 USD Hydrogen generator plus need you to buy will solar power system 25000USD
2000 watts of solar panels, but seriously, you lose a lot of that energy by storing it as compressed hydrogen and using it in a Mirai, so what is the efficiency? The same setup using battery storage and a modern EV will give you more than twice the distance, right?
I imagine the efficiency is somewhere around... 15%. Since those panels are definitely low efficiency if they are so light. And you lose about 30-50% of that efficiency through electrolysis.
@@Diviance It is much worse than that. Running hydrogen through fuel cells to propel the car will cut the efficiency in another half so you are down well below 10% closer to 5%.
I really wish I had a job helping you sell these . Get back with me if you can use me in the sale of these .
gps tracking seems stupidly expensive since there are cheaper tracking methods that automatically send the solar panels back to where the sun rises then uses this simple sunlight tracker that does the rest.
Lol a GPS module costs like 5 dollars man
Pardon my ignorance, but why make power to run an EV when your hydrogen could run the vehicle itself? Ev's are not green to produce, whilst fuel cell powered vehicles emit zero harm to the environment. Can we not produce enough hydrogen on demand so it doesn't have to be stored? Even if I had to tow a trailer covered in hydrogen electrolysis units it would be better than petrol / diesel powered vehicles. Or roof mounted perhaps?
You've been severely misled if you think a FCEV causes zero harm to produce. It would seem like if you're going through the trouble of losing 1/2 the energy by converting the solar power to H2 that it would make sense to just put it in a FCEV. But it probably doesn't really make a difference if you convert it to electricity and charge an EV battery taking about the same loss as compressing the hydrogen to 10,000 psi to get it into a FCEV like the Mirai and use the Mirai's fuel cell to drive it's electric motors and charge it's batteries. You'd need some extra equipment to fuel the FCEV. The biggest problem is this JouleBox only has a 40gal propane tank. That only holds 0.038kg of hydrogen stored at 200 psi. That gets a Mirai a little over 2 miles down the road.
Great
Do you also export?
Interesting ............
Howmuch it will cost us to setup?
it is not cheap 35000 USD Hydrogen generator plus need you to buy will solar power system 25000USD plus shipping and installation about 25000
how much ? 20kW ?
2013 wow, who knew that ?
Nice!
This was 9 years ago. What's new?
Batteries. LFP batteries are way cheaper. That "cheap" 40lb propane tank he shows only holds 0.038kg of hydrogen stored at 200 psi. Unlike propane, hydrogen doesn't liquefy at 200psi. Which when run back through the fuel cell to make electricity only makes 620Wh of electricity. Yes, Watt hours, not Kilo Watt Hours. If you store hydrogen in 200 psi propane tanks, you'd need at least a 1000 gallon tank to do anything with. a 1000 gallon propane tank can hold 4kg of H2 which would give you back 66kWh though a fuel cell, about enough to fill a modern EV battery. And that JouleBox sticker just covers up a standard SMA Sunny Island grid tie inverter/battery controller.
Ultimate Off grid.😎
If they are so good, why can't I buy one.?
Intermittent power spikes , due to wind and solar generators
Hello frend, I see that you have an electric car, ok that's good for you. The most likely product is a small hydrogen station to supply the mini tank of an hydrogen bike, so everyone may appreciate the advantages of technology. Bye bye
What is the cost?
100k
Wow!!! I want one of this. How much it costs?
I just calculated that ignoring the windmill for a moment (because inside a city that's going to make very little), the unit would make and store about $140 worth of electricity a year if that electricity has to go from the 2400 kWh/yr made by 2 kW of panels, through a 60% efficient electrolyzer, a 95% efficient storage compressor and a 50% efficient fuelcell. Skip the hydrogen and stick with batteries- you'll end up at 80% rather than less than 35% efficiency- and it'll be safer too.
it is not cheap 35000 USD Hydrogen generator plus need you to buy will solar power system 25000USD
thanks bro
how much will it cost, if it's 20kW plant for every 10 house hold ( average) , which every 10 house hold could sell the power to every EV pass by and use for their house ?
Anousone Rabounthunh
That's genius more or less but the price has got to come down a lot for it to be mainstream, and for it to be mainstream, more people have got to have it, it's a bit sad that it's the same sort of situation hydrogen fuel cell cars are in with their lacking infrastructure in majority of the World, wicked technologies, so much potential when done right and they have got the means, just need the will to do it and have it running and stored on renewables. Can't wait for all that to happen sooner rather than later I hope.
its gonna be later or never.. this hydrogen is the future BS has be going on since 1980's ffs...
@@abel4776 'Said the person who has stakes in oil companies' 😅😂🤣
Who the fuck are you trying to fool, bitch?
Pull your head out of your arse and stop believing everything the oil industry tell you in their manipulated studies.
I want one
excelent.;)
Imagine it the government bought everyone one of these for their driveway. Imagine if they also offered to convert your current vehicles to hydrogen power. Imagine the power problem being solved and an app that shows you where supplies are when you're traveling. Your home being a gas station you could sell hydrogen to passersby... Imagine logic Nationwide
LA CE SUMA A AJUNS IN ROMÂNIA /
How cost it
And what you used to preasure to tank
How much? Can you export this to the Philippines? Can it power up a factory?
I made it myself thanks to INPLIX website
Why don’t you just charge batteries
TBH, that's what people do now. Back then, batteries were expensive. LFP batteries makes the whole thing a waste of money now. The 40 lb propane tank on the back only holds 0.038kg of hydrogen stored at 200 psi. That only produces 0.6kWh of electric out of a fuel cell. Enough to drive that plugin hybrid a little over 2 miles. You'd need one of those 1000 gal propane tanks (that weigh 1700lbs) to charge a modern EV battery.
i would like this, but i live in ireland
Another example of throwing shit on a wall and seeing what sticks. I'm only surprised he hasn't included small nuclear as a power source.
Not practicable for a multi-unit condo complex. Other than that, sounds great.
how much?
just fucking spit it out.
awesome project. I am also working on this type of project. I have some difficulty releted to hydrogen production. can I have your email I'd please. thank you
Tesla power wall on steroids
Tesla Powerwall except 1/4 as efficient.
latemnetlom lol yea
I hope one day we use oil only for making materials. Burning it is crap.
We do its called plastic
Bill Sticker
ONLY for making materials
natural materials like hemp can produce more plastic per tonne than crude oil....crude oil is the planets energy source and we steal it like it dont matter....when the continents traverse one and other and the oil and gas pockets arent there to fuel the earths core, it will stop providing us with an atmosphere and it will be too late...teslar was a great man who invented for all mankind, eddison invented for profit and the industrial complex....
jmpmcd You better be trolling.
+jmpmcd There is a book about hemp. There are 50,000 uses and more each day from industrial Hemp. The book is called The Hemp Plant Humankind Savior by Jeff Meints.
Hoax.
I can see 12 solar panels there. How many watts per panel? You mentioned 2K. Does it includes the wind turbine or just the panels for 2K..
Just how he sed - 2kW solar panels and 1kW turbine. 3kW in total, it's more than avarage house hold needs.
+Elgoog Ssie In these hot summer months we burn up 23 KWH a day. We are paying around 17 cents per KWH here in Los Angeles. Everyone in our neighborhood is going solar with the finance of a PPA. Zero Down and Zero Emissions. Nobody has a H2 car or even EV. Lots of Tesla, Leaf and no H2 fuel cells. H2 fuel sell for $10 a KG which is equivalent to a gallon of gas. We had a H2 fueling station on Santa Monica Bl but shell closed the pumps down. The latest announcement I heard was 25 new H2 fueling stations are going to open in L.A. A company called MagneGas can make hydrogen at less than a $1 per KG.
You forgot something. How much hydrogen does it make. Oh, it doesn't make it.
No. I own TSLA. And it is not enough for house, just check specs. Maybe if you live in a one-room apartment and don't own EV.
Hydrogen was added just to be cool. You need like 3kW of electricity to get 1kW of electricity back from hydrogen. That's max.
Excellent system. Bravo.
Yes but it doesn't work well in winter. Surprise surprise. Also rain.
EMP proof - tinfoil guys.
Powerwall2 - if it can't hold 10kWh of hydrogen energy (net energy) or costs more than Powerwall, game over.
Powerwall fits on a wall, not on a pallet.
...and it can't. It claims to store the hydrogen in "propane cylinders" which are only 375 psig MAWP- 300 psig max operating pressure (and likely leak H2 badly at 300 psig). That's 1.65 kg/m3...And his "high pressure version" looks like it has a few T size cylinders, what 6,000 psig? Not even high enough pressure to fill a fuelcell car. The whole thing is ludicrous. By my calc he'd be able to store about $140/yr worth of electricity as hydrogen assuming the 2kW worth of panels and ignoring the wind turbine (a fair bet to ignore that if you live in a city)
LMAO, it costs about $4000 to build this. Selling for It will need most of the expensive items replaced$75,000. There is no market for a 30% efficient POS at that cost. It will need most of its units replaced every 1-5 years. Likely cost of energy from this junk, $20.00 per KWH. Can we all say Bankrupt?
The market for it is as it says.. a storage medium for solar power.
Depending on what the eventual current rating winds up being for Tesla's powerwall.. storing that power with hydrogen could certainly be an option.
My bet is still on battery storage, but this is a viable option IMHO.
The one thing this video doesn't address and likely what drives the cost way up.. is that this uses a hydrogen power cell.. not a motor generator.
Because of this.. it contains about $20,000 of platinum.
If you think it was bad with vagrants stealing aluminum siding and copper pipe... just wait till word get's out that there is platinum in this thing.
hydrogen power cells are really cheap now, hydro power cells can be obtained for like $150-$200 usd.
What surface and money do I need, if I live in an appartment block, and on the 2nd floor, and there are neighbours above me? I mean, I would like to be sustainable, but it seems to be these green money-saving systems only suck more money than they give you. However, I would like to find something cheap and plausible for about 400-500$. I have heard about a type of solar panels which you can put on your windows, instead of glass panels. And then there are all those invertors and batteries, and they make this business risky, and it's likely you will break something and will not return even 20% of what you invested, though the aim was to SAVE money. I wonder what solutions there are for flats in European countries, and what I can power from them. Can they run at least one Pc for 10 years and cost cheaper than the conventional gridelectricity? I highly doubt it, no matter how I anticipate this moment. Drop me a line when this becomes possible, seriously, practically, please.
This attitude is why we are still just cave men! With this way of thinking nothing will develop, improve and change.
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What an incredible waste of energy and money
This is fraudulent.
I want one