The problem with fuel cell is they are too expensive also the storage is expensive too and too heavy, i believe that hydrogen is the fuel of future but we still have to work on fuel cell and storage, thanks for the informative video 🎉
There are videos on TH-cam showing Hydrogen delivered via a plug in cartridge or a paste. Both of those methods would significantly improve the distribution process, as well as speeding up refueling (pull out the old cartridge, slide in a new one, and off you go). I could imagine said cartridges being sold in virtually any store.
@@toddprickett6376 There are production and scaling issues, but please notify us when those things become CHEAPER than PLUGGING into a wall outlet like they do in a BEV , Hydrogen = " Fuel of the Future" , maybe another hundred years?
I'm so glad I've found this channel of yours, I decided two months ago to get rid of my TV and source things that interest me, also to remove myself from the brainwashing main stream media, this is so enjoyable to watch, its interesting and very good to keep my mind active after an accident where I received a minor brain injury, my time will be now spent much better gaining knowledge like this, I can't thank you and other's like yourself enough for taking the time to produce brilliant videos as this one is. Kudos to you my friend.
Good explanation. Thank you. The thing about hydrogen fuel cells is that if they were perfect, they would already be ubiquitous. Gasoline engines were pretty much this 'perfect' solution, until we discovered the environmental impact of burning fossil fuels. Hydrogen fuel cells, (which I learned about 50+ years ago) are very elegant, but are likely even more harmful to the environment than gasoline, because most hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels. They have many other issues too. Unfortunately, (other than just driving less), we don't have any great solutions. Personally, I'd lean towards keeping the gasoline engines, while trying to find an economical method of producing gasoline from 'renewable' sources.
yes, maybe an idea is to capture CO2 and combine it with H20 to produce bio fuells. Something like a Sabatier reactor, that can produce methane (CH4). If we can use solar or volcanic heat for the gas making reactor (or electric heat by wind or solar energy) wouldn't that be a great way to a CO2 neutral society?
Okay here's an idea, just use electrolysis to create enough fuel to propel a single piston to drive a flywheel. One big push at a time, nothing fancy, start small scale. Have the flywheel used to generate electricity
I spoke to a bus driver who had driven hydrogen buses. For them the problem was safety. They had to install elevated pipes at the depot etc. maybe at the scale of a car it would be sufficiently safe but it didn’t sound suitable for buses at all.
Your chemistry on the electrolysis side is incorrect. Sodium hydroxide is normally NOT consumed in the process. (I think you might have looked at the chemistry of electrolysis of (molten) sodium hydroxide, rather than water with dissolved sodium hydroxide. That's a totally different thing) Nice video for the rest though.
My chemistry knowledge might not be totally right 🧐 Chat GBT didn't help enough hahaha. Anyway I didn't what to say is consumed, what I wanted to day is that is making the water more conductive.
@@ELECTRONOOBS fair enough. I think at some point you say the electrolysis of sodium hydroxide (which you more or less described), while this is just electrolysis of water. ChatGPT also answers if you make a minor error in the way you ask the question... 😬
Where do you live to find hydrogen stations for longer roadtrips? How often did you change the air-filters during that time? How about the fuel-cell core? How much did you spend on propulsion-system related maintainence?
@@Makatea i live in California. California which is very large. I have done a 730 mile trip in 11 hours with it. Therr has been 0 maintenance on the fuel cell. I have replaced the tires at 50,000 miles and I have replaced the IEE (ion exchange element) twice (the IEE is a consumable that protects the fuel cell and the price of that consumable is around 1.5 cents per mile.
@@Makatea I have a 2016 Toyota Mirai. I have always had BEVs as well (I currentlt have a polestar 2). The Mirai is much better for trips over 150 miles because it recharges in less than 5 minutes. So I drive the Mirai on longer trips and use the polestar 2 for most local driving.
It may be easier to store the hydrogen as methanol, which is a lot easier to transport and store. It isnt as energy dense as gasoline/petrol. Im sure we can develop simple/efficient ways to convert hydrogen into methanol.
Hydrogen should not be considered "fuel", because we can't just go out and harvest it. Instead we have to produce it (usually by separating it from the oxygen in water). The energy we have to put into this production is greater than the energy we get back from using it as "fuel". So in this respect it's nothing more than an alternative to a battery. If you're burning hydrogen in a vehicle, you're just getting back the energy that was used to produce it. Somehow you still need to have a source of energy to produce the hydrogen in the first place. If that energy source is portable, it would be more efficient to use that energy source in the vehicle. Thereby removing yet another inefficiency from the process.
WOW! using this in your house if you have solar panels or wind turbines would be a really cool use. if you have excess solar power->make hydrogen if not, then create energy from the stored hydrogen to supplement solar/wind. side effect=>a little pure H2O for whatever use! you could potentially use the hydrogen generated to make methanol as well to fuel your winter heating or something as well (Sabatier process). powerful stuff displayed here! I wonder if you can just use salt in the DI water, maybe with reduced efficiency...follow on vid? (please!) awesome vid...instant sub!
Hey, it should be possible to run the fuel cell with air and hydrogen. If yes can you do a comparison with Oxygen/Hydrogen and Air/Hydrogen? Would the efficiency be affected? Thanks
The efficiency goes up running pure oxygen because you’re not having to compress the air plus the power ratios would be higher because oxygen is Five times more powerful than air as an oxidizer
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I used a single Mason jar once, with a couple of nails for electrodes. There was a tube which released the gas. Stupid me, I thought it would be cool to light the end to see gas flaming. You know what happened next. The flame _immediately_ travelled down the tube, into the jar, and blew off the lid. It sounded like a shotgun went off in my kitchen. Do not attempt unless your homeowner's insurance is up to date.
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Can’t we use this as a water source as well. We could convert ground, or even ocean water into hydrogen and oxygen; then use it to fuel a hydrogen cell and create clean water.
Hydrogen production by electrolysis is about 75% efficient. Hydrogen fuel cells are 40 to 60% efficient. Traditionally electrical motors are about 80%. Now if we are very generous and assume that all the components in the chain hit very high efficiency such as 80% for the electrolysis, 60% for the Fuel cell, and 90% for the motor (because someone will claim that) you get a combined efficiency of 43%. But if we de-rate the motor to 80% efficiency that turns into 38%. With more realistic and reproduceable numbers you get 75% x 50% x 80% and the efficiency is about 30%. Now if you were to include the generation of the electricity to drive the electrolysis then efficiency goes down drastically. But without doing that you can compare the hydrogen fuel cell technology with battery electric vehicles. When I looked for Lithium Ion battery charging efficiency the first answer I got was that it is ner 100% efficient, compared to lead acid batteries that are "only" 85% efficient when charging. Second link claims 99% efficiency while the third ling says it's 70%. The rest I saw claimed between 80 to 90 % efficiency when charging. Even if they are "only" 70% efficient that would still mean that a BEV has an efficiency of about 56% if the motor is 80% efficient. That is a whole lot more efficient than the fuel cell version. Another interesting thing is to look at range. One of the things that people often say is that with a hydrogen driven car you can just fill up the tank in seconds or minutes rather than have to wait for a battery pack to charge. And that's fair. But how far can you go between the fuel stops? And here hydrogen is at a disadvantage as the gas is so light. Even at a liquid state it has only about 20% of the energy density of gasoline when compared by volume. Number ripped from my far from reliable memory so take that with a grain of salt. That means the fuel tank has to be four to five times as large as the gas tank if you want to drive as far on a tank as you do on gasoline. And the tanks can't be simple constructions either. They are either high pressure tanks or they are low pressure isolated tanks. The later is most common in the tests I've seen, but they have the disadvantage that they can't perfectly isolate the hydrogen, so they are constantly bleeding hydrogen that cook off. A tank like that is likely to bleed off all hydrogen in a week or two even if the car never leaves the parking lot. Also the hydrogen that is bled off is a fire and explosion hazzard. High pressure tanks are heavy and expensive. How heavy I can't say as I haven't looked into it. But the fact that auto makers experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells usually don't use them suggests that they are not trivial to build right. Someone I talked to thought that solid hydrogen would be the solution. That is hydrogen chilled down to the degree or pressurized enough that it turns metallic. I did look into that, ignoring all the practical problems of actually doing this. And the results were not encouraging. Metallic hydrogen is not significantly more dense than liquid hydrogen. So it would be a lot of added complexity and cost for very little, if any, improvement in storage density.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I'm sorry I didn't read everything but you need to include gas compression/liquefaction and transportation Wich will reduce the efficiency significantly. I've worked with hydrogen (liquid and gas) and the tanks are so heavy in comparation to the mass of hydrogen that we usually say things like "the steel truc is here". For the solid state storage it's an utopia, it is indeed possible to store a lot of hydrogen in magnesium for exemple 30% in mass approximately (you need about 1kg per 100km of hydrogen) so the storage could be only 20kg of magnesium for a good autonomy. Buuuuut we need to heat up A LOT the magnesium to recover the hydrogen which is... Not efficient at all...
@@oneil9615 Thanks for the heads up on compression. It's easy to forget a step like that when you don't work with the media. Enginering Explained did some videos on Hydrogen and talked about the low power per volume you got with hydrogen. That and the heavy tanks for liquid hydrogen was what he concentrated on before even talking about the efficiency. If you want to see some really horrible numbers look at combustion engines running on hydrogen...
fuel cell and electrolysis are also highly susceptible to corrosion ! the efficiency of a gasoline combustion engine ranges between ( 36 % - 42 % ) and perhaps more, this is more efficient than photovoltaic cells ( 18 % - 26 % ), for example.
I really want to understand how this can be efficient when you use far more electricity than what ends up at the motor. I would also like to understand how this can be safe when a byproduct is sodium metal which is highly flammable when exposed to water, which this mechanism is filled with.
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Forget using electricity to split with sodium-hydroxide, instead capture the gas using Aluminum in water and sodium-hydroxide and run it through the cell.
If you keep exploring that route you can check Valentin Petkov's channel. He is reviewing Stanley Meyer's patents for electrolysis. As Stan mentioned, to split water in an efficient way, water has to have some resonance so molecules are excited and more prone to be split instead of brute force electrolysis. Of course you did the opposite in this experiment to get electricity, but due to the fact you are electronic savvy, Valentin's experiments should make more sense to you
The electrolysis that you have explained is incorrect. At the Anode, hydrogen is formed, but the sodium stays dissolved in the water, as it takes less energy to form hydrogen than sodium
No, it's not. It's mind-boggingly inefficient and can't even remotely compete with battery-electric vehicles. You hear so much about it anyway, because the hydrogen is produced from fossile fuel, so the oil industry has PR-agencies on the job...
When you learn the center field of a magnetic force you won't be doing it that way. First off you need to use the inductive properties of copper in the water in a saw tooth wave form at the correct frequency, not a sign wave. Once you do this you will be on overload with the output of hydrogen. The center field energy from a magnet and the copper inductive field combine to disconnect the two molecules of water!!
It might be a good idea to mention that this is not a viable option for cars as it is wildly too inefficient compared to regular battery electric vehicles. Automakers trying to implement this for reasons passing understanding, such as Toyota, are in for a harsh awakening they may very well not survive.
... isn't it better to use the 80% of the electricity to power a battery operated car that you spend 30 sec to plug in and then go to bed,rather than have: 1) electricity to generate hydrogen 2) electricity to pump it in a tank 3)diesel or hydrogen to move the tank 4) electricity to pump it in the distribution storage 5)electricity to pump it again in the car and wait 5 minutes. 6) transform it in electricity to charge a battery 7) run the motor of the battery Gasoline electric energy need for all of the pumping and refining should be around 1kw every 4 liter, if we skip the pumping efficiency goes up Do you really like going to p petrol-hydrogen station? The switch to electric is gonna be perfect when a Battery vehicle with 5 or 6 Hours of motorway will be affordable, you need to stop to eat anyway
@hello the real reason because I don't buy an ev is that little bit too expensive, I would myself use a short range ev,and when is the time for me to change car I'm sure I'll move to ev, is not the way to convince everyone, the range is the only real, and over perceived downside of an ev for everybody,I speak about my colleagues that are hard petrol head, if there are no excuses for them not to chose an ev we can speak of a car for everyone. We need to see the other side of the argument and understand
@@matteoricci9129 in Belgium there is something called capacity tax. In short, they punish people with taxes if they consume too much energy from the grid, because otherwise they have to invest in the electricity grid... So at this moment maybe a hydrogen operated vehicle will be cheaper then driving an electric one (?). In fact that is even an argument to go for a hybrid car... and if all people in Belgium would drive electric cars at this moment, the electricity grid would go down, they warn.
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 fancy that, in Italy, there was something like that but to improve use of heat pump they removed this tariff for houses, I checked the annual uses of electricity and in Italy is in decline, maybe a 5% over 10 years, so Italian electric grid would be able to cope at least for the first 4 or 5 years of adoption. Hydrogen still uses more electricity than just charging a car, so it will only increase the amount of electricity needed, I don't see it as a solution. Hybrid is a good step in the right direction, and it was a good choice when there are no other alternatives, but you can consider that electric cars are a better step in the right direction, better still no car at all. everybody willing to do these steps will do it depending on his condition, but here we need to check the claims, like what amount of hybrid: - mild (regen breaking and slow speed) is just an ice car that uses less petrol, long therm is not going to solve anything. -plug in could be great, if you use them right.
We call this ahem future energy source👉the hindenberg effect,cause its gonna be alot of astronauts and lawsuits, if it goes into production👀 way tooo many safty factors have to be tested starting with shorts in wires to accidents🤦
🤣🤣 this is a chemical battery... Measure efficiency.. Power in and power out.. is terrible. More efficiency in lithium battery or o Otto converted to H20 fuel. Edit: good explications, and for i...... peoples, the energy not come from water, is crom hydrogen and hydrogen is maked with electricity.
@@AirzonesBlasters very good point! a well ventilated place is indeed necessary. still, given the amounts at play, I would say it's safe enough and easier to open a window than manipulating caustic soda, which involves proper use and disposal of PPE. NaOH just loves sweat and soft tissue.
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Over time this is becoming one of my favorite channels... very cool projects with clear and easy to understand instructions. Thank you,
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The way you explain with the help of animations is very unique and helps to understand alot.
The problem with fuel cell is they are too expensive also the storage is expensive too and too heavy, i believe that hydrogen is the fuel of future but we still have to work on fuel cell and storage, thanks for the informative video 🎉
There are videos on TH-cam showing Hydrogen delivered via a plug in cartridge or a paste. Both of those methods would significantly improve the distribution process, as well as speeding up refueling (pull out the old cartridge, slide in a new one, and off you go). I could imagine said cartridges being sold in virtually any store.
@@toddprickett6376 There are production and scaling issues, but please notify us when those things become CHEAPER than PLUGGING into a wall outlet like they do in a BEV , Hydrogen = " Fuel of the Future" , maybe another hundred years?
I'm so glad I've found this channel of yours, I decided two months ago to get rid of my TV and source things that interest me, also to remove myself from the brainwashing main stream media, this is so enjoyable to watch, its interesting and very good to keep my mind active after an accident where I received a minor brain injury, my time will be now spent much better gaining knowledge like this, I can't thank you and other's like yourself enough for taking the time to produce brilliant videos as this one is. Kudos to you my friend.
Very good explanation & visualisation - Thanks!!!!
Can you test balloons to fly up with pure hydrogen using baking soda witjh electrolysis can you do video about it?
Awesome video as always!
Beautifully presented video with lots of real data and science. Thank-you
Good explanation. Thank you.
The thing about hydrogen fuel cells is that if they were perfect, they would already be ubiquitous. Gasoline engines were pretty much this 'perfect' solution, until we discovered the environmental impact of burning fossil fuels. Hydrogen fuel cells, (which I learned about 50+ years ago) are very elegant, but are likely even more harmful to the environment than gasoline, because most hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels. They have many other issues too. Unfortunately, (other than just driving less), we don't have any great solutions. Personally, I'd lean towards keeping the gasoline engines, while trying to find an economical method of producing gasoline from 'renewable' sources.
There is a pretty great solution out there: Battery electric vehicles, you should give it a try.
yes, maybe an idea is to capture CO2 and combine it with H20 to produce bio fuells. Something like a Sabatier reactor, that can produce methane (CH4). If we can use solar or volcanic heat for the gas making reactor (or electric heat by wind or solar energy) wouldn't that be a great way to a CO2 neutral society?
It's important to factor in how much hydrogen will be lost through leaking couplings and storage tanks if it were used as fuel by the masses. Imo.
Very cool to see the whole cycle !
Okay here's an idea, just use electrolysis to create enough fuel to propel a single piston to drive a flywheel. One big push at a time, nothing fancy, start small scale.
Have the flywheel used to generate electricity
The best thing about a hydrogen economy is that it can be used for everything: ships, trains, planes, cars, trucks, homes.
Please make these kind of videos more...
Good experiment,But how much power you inputed & how much final output power ?
Thanks for explaining this to me so i could understand how it works.
I spoke to a bus driver who had driven hydrogen buses. For them the problem was safety. They had to install elevated pipes at the depot etc. maybe at the scale of a car it would be sufficiently safe but it didn’t sound suitable for buses at all.
They should add a smell to hydrogen, just like with propane or natural gas. Like that, we would know faster if there is a leak.
Do you make kits for gas engine. Thank you
What is the efficiency of the system that you have built sir?
Does we need to give electric power to the electrolysis to get another electric power?
Excuse me sir, can you provide a link to the fuel cell shop?
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Very educational thanks for sharing
Where can I buy this fuel cell unit ? Thanks.
Nice and simple thx
Your chemistry on the electrolysis side is incorrect. Sodium hydroxide is normally NOT consumed in the process. (I think you might have looked at the chemistry of electrolysis of (molten) sodium hydroxide, rather than water with dissolved sodium hydroxide. That's a totally different thing)
Nice video for the rest though.
My chemistry knowledge might not be totally right 🧐 Chat GBT didn't help enough hahaha. Anyway I didn't what to say is consumed, what I wanted to day is that is making the water more conductive.
@@ELECTRONOOBS fair enough. I think at some point you say the electrolysis of sodium hydroxide (which you more or less described), while this is just electrolysis of water.
ChatGPT also answers if you make a minor error in the way you ask the question... 😬
That's good explanation. But the + should rather be the Cathode, while Negetive is Anode?
Very interesting - nice job
Using hot water will increase electrolysis significantly. Placing within a magnetic field also will increase electrolysis
How much hydrogen per ml to generate for combustion?
Well done Sir!
Would this work with methane+air?
Great tutorial.
Great Job
Been driving a fuel cell electric vehicle for 7 years and have put 72k miles on it. I'd say it's the present.
So cool :)
Where do you live to find hydrogen stations for longer roadtrips? How often did you change the air-filters during that time? How about the fuel-cell core? How much did you spend on propulsion-system related maintainence?
@@Makatea i live in California. California which is very large. I have done a 730 mile trip in 11 hours with it.
Therr has been 0 maintenance on the fuel cell.
I have replaced the tires at 50,000 miles and I have replaced the IEE (ion exchange element) twice (the IEE is a consumable that protects the fuel cell and the price of that consumable is around 1.5 cents per mile.
@@homomorphic Thanks a lot for the prompt, detailed answer.
What car-model do you have and what motivated you to prefer it over a BEV?
@@Makatea I have a 2016 Toyota Mirai. I have always had BEVs as well (I currentlt have a polestar 2). The Mirai is much better for trips over 150 miles because it recharges in less than 5 minutes. So I drive the Mirai on longer trips and use the polestar 2 for most local driving.
Nice video 👍
It may be easier to store the hydrogen as methanol, which is a lot easier to transport and store. It isnt as energy dense as gasoline/petrol. Im sure we can develop simple/efficient ways to convert hydrogen into methanol.
Does fuel cell use palladium and platinum for electrolyses?
So this fuel cell along a capacitor could replace a battery?
Hydrogen should not be considered "fuel", because we can't just go out and harvest it. Instead we have to produce it (usually by separating it from the oxygen in water). The energy we have to put into this production is greater than the energy we get back from using it as "fuel". So in this respect it's nothing more than an alternative to a battery.
If you're burning hydrogen in a vehicle, you're just getting back the energy that was used to produce it. Somehow you still need to have a source of energy to produce the hydrogen in the first place. If that energy source is portable, it would be more efficient to use that energy source in the vehicle. Thereby removing yet another inefficiency from the process.
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Lo publicaré pero aun no está listo
So good
The problem with that tech is the corrosion that we can see on the anode at the 19sec mark of the video, apparently they don't last a day !
WOW! using this in your house if you have solar panels or wind turbines would be a really cool use. if you have excess solar power->make hydrogen if not, then create energy from the stored hydrogen to supplement solar/wind. side effect=>a little pure H2O for whatever use! you could potentially use the hydrogen generated to make methanol as well to fuel your winter heating or something as well (Sabatier process). powerful stuff displayed here! I wonder if you can just use salt in the DI water, maybe with reduced efficiency...follow on vid? (please!)
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Hey, it should be possible to run the fuel cell with air and hydrogen.
If yes can you do a comparison with Oxygen/Hydrogen and Air/Hydrogen? Would the efficiency be affected? Thanks
yes possible, same as with pure oxygen.
The efficiency goes up running pure oxygen because you’re not having to compress the air plus the power ratios would be higher because oxygen is Five times more powerful than air as an oxidizer
Very good explanation
lo que si sería bueno, sería mediante muy poca energía aprovechar el hidrogeno para un motor de combustión y de ahí sacar mucha más energía
What dynamo do you use bro?
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What is the electrolyte material made of ??
I used a single Mason jar once, with a couple of nails for electrodes. There was a tube which released the gas. Stupid me, I thought it would be cool to light the end to see gas flaming. You know what happened next. The flame _immediately_ travelled down the tube, into the jar, and blew off the lid. It sounded like a shotgun went off in my kitchen.
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Can’t we use this as a water source as well. We could convert ground, or even ocean water into hydrogen and oxygen; then use it to fuel a hydrogen cell and create clean water.
i think fuel cell as a energy storage is a good, but for the cars, i still have doubt with it
Can someone explain to me the electricity loss, like, 20 volt to make that gas and 1 volt gain after. Compared to others, is this really that good?
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Why there is no data of input voltage and amperage to see "efficiency"
I thought for sure that Toyota was going to be the paid sponsor.
You can also run the fuel cell in reverse to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen
does the fuel cell use hho gas?
I want to buy this for for my project
multi-layer ZnBr gravity cell battery, rechargeable directly, many wide slim no-pump cells
energy density in same range or more than lead-acid battery, about 80Wh/kg, a bit less then li-ion (which are up to about 200Wh/kg now)
easier containment than hydrogen, same as lead-acid batteries
no harshly toxic stuff, just salts
kinda same as mild sulfuric acid electrolyte
try baking soda instead of KOH/NaOH
Could you use carbon fiber as an electrode?
Are there any safety hazards doing this?
The full efficiency is about 25% not 60...
Hydrogen production by electrolysis is about 75% efficient. Hydrogen fuel cells are 40 to 60% efficient. Traditionally electrical motors are about 80%.
Now if we are very generous and assume that all the components in the chain hit very high efficiency such as 80% for the electrolysis, 60% for the Fuel cell, and 90% for the motor (because someone will claim that) you get a combined efficiency of 43%. But if we de-rate the motor to 80% efficiency that turns into 38%.
With more realistic and reproduceable numbers you get 75% x 50% x 80% and the efficiency is about 30%.
Now if you were to include the generation of the electricity to drive the electrolysis then efficiency goes down drastically. But without doing that you can compare the hydrogen fuel cell technology with battery electric vehicles. When I looked for Lithium Ion battery charging efficiency the first answer I got was that it is ner 100% efficient, compared to lead acid batteries that are "only" 85% efficient when charging. Second link claims 99% efficiency while the third ling says it's 70%. The rest I saw claimed between 80 to 90 % efficiency when charging.
Even if they are "only" 70% efficient that would still mean that a BEV has an efficiency of about 56% if the motor is 80% efficient. That is a whole lot more efficient than the fuel cell version.
Another interesting thing is to look at range. One of the things that people often say is that with a hydrogen driven car you can just fill up the tank in seconds or minutes rather than have to wait for a battery pack to charge. And that's fair. But how far can you go between the fuel stops? And here hydrogen is at a disadvantage as the gas is so light. Even at a liquid state it has only about 20% of the energy density of gasoline when compared by volume. Number ripped from my far from reliable memory so take that with a grain of salt. That means the fuel tank has to be four to five times as large as the gas tank if you want to drive as far on a tank as you do on gasoline. And the tanks can't be simple constructions either. They are either high pressure tanks or they are low pressure isolated tanks. The later is most common in the tests I've seen, but they have the disadvantage that they can't perfectly isolate the hydrogen, so they are constantly bleeding hydrogen that cook off. A tank like that is likely to bleed off all hydrogen in a week or two even if the car never leaves the parking lot. Also the hydrogen that is bled off is a fire and explosion hazzard.
High pressure tanks are heavy and expensive. How heavy I can't say as I haven't looked into it. But the fact that auto makers experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells usually don't use them suggests that they are not trivial to build right.
Someone I talked to thought that solid hydrogen would be the solution. That is hydrogen chilled down to the degree or pressurized enough that it turns metallic. I did look into that, ignoring all the practical problems of actually doing this. And the results were not encouraging. Metallic hydrogen is not significantly more dense than liquid hydrogen. So it would be a lot of added complexity and cost for very little, if any, improvement in storage density.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I'm sorry I didn't read everything but you need to include gas compression/liquefaction and transportation Wich will reduce the efficiency significantly.
I've worked with hydrogen (liquid and gas) and the tanks are so heavy in comparation to the mass of hydrogen that we usually say things like "the steel truc is here".
For the solid state storage it's an utopia, it is indeed possible to store a lot of hydrogen in magnesium for exemple 30% in mass approximately (you need about 1kg per 100km of hydrogen) so the storage could be only 20kg of magnesium for a good autonomy.
Buuuuut we need to heat up A LOT the magnesium to recover the hydrogen which is... Not efficient at all...
@@oneil9615 Thanks for the heads up on compression. It's easy to forget a step like that when you don't work with the media.
Enginering Explained did some videos on Hydrogen and talked about the low power per volume you got with hydrogen. That and the heavy tanks for liquid hydrogen was what he concentrated on before even talking about the efficiency. If you want to see some really horrible numbers look at combustion engines running on hydrogen...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I'll check engineering explained, I also recommend engineering with rosie
fuel cell and electrolysis are also highly susceptible to corrosion ! the efficiency of a gasoline combustion engine ranges between ( 36 % - 42 % ) and perhaps more, this is more efficient than photovoltaic cells ( 18 % - 26 % ), for example.
Wondering if the oxygen can power a tesla turbine at the same time..
I really want to understand how this can be efficient when you use far more electricity than what ends up at the motor.
I would also like to understand how this can be safe when a byproduct is sodium metal which is highly flammable when exposed to water, which this mechanism is filled with.
Use solar to make Hydrogen and O2 and store then then use those stored gases as fuel
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thanks
Hi electronoobs
Recently I tried to make the brushed drone project with some bigger motor
Using multiwii firmware but I am having a lot of problems:-
1.Multiwii not starting saying Javaw
not found etc.
2. I install Java 11 se the the
application starts but when as
soon as I hit start the program
crashes .
3. I switched to java8 se the program
runs but lags alot some time it
doesn't show any gyro value .
4. after few attempts by using your
bldc drone code I was able to
connect but the gyro movement of
quadx gui is reversed
Please help and if possible make a complete tutorial on multiwii how to install run without problems connect to brushed drone code how to adjust gyro and pid values plz it will be a great help from you
By the way I am using Arduino nano is that causing me problems
Forget using electricity to split with sodium-hydroxide, instead capture the gas using Aluminum in water and sodium-hydroxide and run it through the cell.
If you keep exploring that route you can check Valentin Petkov's channel. He is reviewing Stanley Meyer's patents for electrolysis. As Stan mentioned, to split water in an efficient way, water has to have some resonance so molecules are excited and more prone to be split instead of brute force electrolysis. Of course you did the opposite in this experiment to get electricity, but due to the fact you are electronic savvy, Valentin's experiments should make more sense to you
You can patent stuff that doesn't work, and in this case it doesn't.
Check his Wikipedia page.
The electrolysis that you have explained is incorrect. At the Anode, hydrogen is formed, but the sodium stays dissolved in the water, as it takes less energy to form hydrogen than sodium
The question is will it really be the future of cars? If yes will it be good for human life
No, it's not. It's mind-boggingly inefficient and can't even remotely compete with battery-electric vehicles. You hear so much about it anyway, because the hydrogen is produced from fossile fuel, so the oil industry has PR-agencies on the job...
When you learn the center field of a magnetic force you won't be doing it that way. First off you need to use the inductive properties of copper in the water in a saw tooth wave form at the correct frequency, not a sign wave. Once you do this you will be on overload with the output of hydrogen. The center field energy from a magnet and the copper inductive field combine to disconnect the two molecules of water!!
there are hydrogen vehicles in California they are mainly city vehicles
Japan has had a working automobile for about 15 yrs, predictably no ones investing.
It might be a good idea to mention that this is not a viable option for cars as it is wildly too inefficient compared to regular battery electric vehicles.
Automakers trying to implement this for reasons passing understanding, such as Toyota, are in for a harsh awakening they may very well not survive.
now lets talk how efficient is to create the two gases...
... isn't it better to use the 80% of the electricity to power a battery operated car that you spend 30 sec to plug in and then go to bed,rather than have:
1) electricity to generate hydrogen
2) electricity to pump it in a tank
3)diesel or hydrogen to move the tank
4) electricity to pump it in the distribution storage
5)electricity to pump it again in the car and wait 5 minutes.
6) transform it in electricity to charge a battery
7) run the motor of the battery
Gasoline electric energy need for all of the pumping and refining should be around 1kw every 4 liter, if we skip the pumping efficiency goes up
Do you really like going to p petrol-hydrogen station?
The switch to electric is gonna be perfect when a Battery vehicle with 5 or 6 Hours of motorway will be affordable, you need to stop to eat anyway
@hello the real reason because I don't buy an ev is that little bit too expensive, I would myself use a short range ev,and when is the time for me to change car I'm sure I'll move to ev, is not the way to convince everyone, the range is the only real, and over perceived downside of an ev for everybody,I speak about my colleagues that are hard petrol head, if there are no excuses for them not to chose an ev we can speak of a car for everyone.
We need to see the other side of the argument and understand
@@matteoricci9129 in Belgium there is something called capacity tax. In short, they punish people with taxes if they consume too much energy from the grid, because otherwise they have to invest in the electricity grid... So at this moment maybe a hydrogen operated vehicle will be cheaper then driving an electric one (?). In fact that is even an argument to go for a hybrid car... and if all people in Belgium would drive electric cars at this moment, the electricity grid would go down, they warn.
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 fancy that, in Italy, there was something like that but to improve use of heat pump they removed this tariff for houses, I checked the annual uses of electricity and in Italy is in decline, maybe a 5% over 10 years, so Italian electric grid would be able to cope at least for the first 4 or 5 years of adoption.
Hydrogen still uses more electricity than just charging a car, so it will only increase the amount of electricity needed, I don't see it as a solution.
Hybrid is a good step in the right direction, and it was a good choice when there are no other alternatives, but you can consider that electric cars are a better step in the right direction, better still no car at all.
everybody willing to do these steps will do it depending on his condition, but here we need to check the claims, like what amount of hybrid:
- mild (regen breaking and slow speed) is just an ice car that uses less petrol, long therm is not going to solve anything.
-plug in could be great, if you use them right.
Damn!
now add a water cooler to the car
wow free water
Careful, one guy who made this got poisoned.
For 18 wheel Semi Trucks - hydrogen is possible - yes - Nikola Stock - buy now $1.02 a share
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i think thats not common in cars because of safty
We call this ahem future energy source👉the hindenberg effect,cause its gonna be alot of astronauts and lawsuits, if it goes into production👀 way tooo many safty factors have to be tested starting with shorts in wires to accidents🤦
Trillions and trillions of dollars business in the world hydrogen fuel cell technology 2024 loan passed by the company mikka maga cities
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That was a Long Intro 😅
🤣🤣 this is a chemical battery... Measure efficiency..
Power in and power out.. is terrible.
More efficiency in lithium battery or o
Otto converted to H20 fuel.
Edit: good explications, and for i...... peoples, the energy not come from water, is crom hydrogen and hydrogen is maked with electricity.
just use regular table salt. sodium hydroxide is very NASTY stuff.
Except you can end up with chlorine gas byproducts to deal with.
Chlorine is worst
@@AirzonesBlasters very good point! a well ventilated place is indeed necessary. still, given the amounts at play, I would say it's safe enough and easier to open a window than manipulating caustic soda, which involves proper use and disposal of PPE. NaOH just loves sweat and soft tissue.
why didn't your fuel cell create water bro?
I made electricity using electricity😂
Using electricity to get hydrogen and then using hydrogen in fuel cells to get electricity..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are you some kind of engineer or are you just repeating what you heard on faux news?