With this technology you can produce your own Hydrogen at home for free
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- So we all know that I am extremely pro-Hydrogen. I believe that Hydrogen is the fuel that will power our future, from our cars to even power systems. But there are some problems with the fuel, namely a lack of infrastructure, storage and production costs. Now in the last year huge leaps have been made in all of these fields, making the technology more and more viable.
But this company from Belgium just created the technology that I feel proves the viability of Hydrogen. Firstly how would you feel if you could fuel your car for free? If you could produce hydrogen that can be used to power your house, all of this for free. Toyota is already busy building systems that burn Hydrogen to power our houses. The only thing we need is the Hydrogen, and with this technology we wouldn’t need to buy the Hydrogen.
KU Leuven researchers in Belgium have created a hydrogen solar panel that directly converts water vapor from the air into hydrogen gas. Now if their claims are true this solar panel produces 250 litres of Hydrogen a day. They are developing it under the Solhyd project, which is now in a transition phase from research to spinoff.
So how does these panels work?
Lets find out
#hydrogen #hydrogenfuel #freeenergy
250L at normal pressure is 22g of hydrogen. The typical hydrogen fuel cell vehicle gets about 96km per kg. With your 22g of hydrogen, you'll be able to drive about 2km.
The panel appears to be about 2 m^2. For comparison, a 2m^2 solar panel would produce about 2 kwh a day in Belgium. A good EV gets > 6km per kwh, so your solar panel would take you 12 km.
This ignores the losses if you want to compress the hydrogen (about 10%) or liquefy it (30%).
And sadly, this is the real killer for hydrogen. If we are going to use wind turbines and solar panels to power our transportation, we will need six to ten times more turbines/panels for a fuel cell based system than a battery system.
@@gavinminion8515 It's funny how the same people who say "we can never have enough renewable energy" are the same ones who keep proposing systems that would require much much more renewables to to even break even. It's like they see the end goal in site and are trying to find a way to move it back over the hill and out of site.
no, you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
hydrogen from hydrolysis cannot bring more energy than solar panel directly produces
@@VenturaIT Hi, it's not just the storage that is at issue here. It's the efficiency loss. Fuel cell vehicles are less efficient than batteries and that will be very difficult to overcome. That is not to say Hydrogen (or ammonia) will not have a use (possibly in shipping or heavy construction machinery where energy demand is higher) but that it will be difficult to scale it up for private vehicles.
I find the commentary to be more informative than the video. Energy density is everything.
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yes I love the idea of making hydrogen from solar directly
The hard part with hydrogen is... you need to compress it to high pressure to carry any meaningful amount. To run your car you are going to be filling tanks at 2000-3000psi. That pump is very expensive. Its also somewhat dangerous to be running around with that kind of pressure.
Mirai runs at 10,000 psi.
Really well its a good job when offshore that the heavy compenstors didnt run at high pressures, ahem 350-700bar is contained quite safely now.
no, you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
Or you can just use battery for EV
@VenturaIT Nickle metal hydride? That's a battery sir. He stores hydrogen at 300psi in ten, 1000 gallon decommissioned propane tanks.
Everyone ignores energy density when discussing hydrogen.
Not everyone. Just everyone advocating for hydrogen.
you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
@colinmitchell7760 check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he runs his house, car, lawn mower, everything on hydrogen from the sun... this is not spam, you are giving out scientifically incorrect info... it's not true that just because there is no proliferation of something doesn't mean it's not true or not viable... everything was not being done before it WAS done.
also ignores the notion of a finite supply of water.
@@chipgribble6797there is no shortage of water, seawater works just fine, actually better for hydrogen extraction
Theres a man in Jersey who has accomplished everything that you are dreaming about, he was threatened to keep quiet, I've seen the setup, solar electric, seperates the hydrogen, he sells the oxygen.
I think I know the guy you're talking about. He was storing the hydrogen in large propane tanks wasn't he?
Who is this guy?
@@parzival988 no chance we are telling you Mr big oil assassin 😂
All these hydrogen deniers don't realize we went to the moon with the same hydrogen technology they are talking about. Also ICE hydrogen technology is not near as feasible. The fuel cell technology currently used on the Toyota Mirai is the way to go.
Then the storage issues everyone clamors about are mitigated with carbon nanotubes or solidstate hydrogen storage.
Also Elon Musk, Honda are coming out with HPEV models next year. Of which Toyota has successfully marketer a HPEV Mirai model since 2016..
250 liters if h2 at 1 atmosphere will run your car for 5 minutes...
And let your hunk of junk gasoline ice vehicle sit in the sun for a day, how many minutes of drive time does it give you? ZERO!!!
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Too bad it's not at 1 atmosphere and it's not used in an ICE it's being used in a hydrogen fuel cell...
Liquify
Depends how you use it, if you use it in a voltaic cell fashion then it will only be 5 minutes, however if you use it in a combustion fashion then it will last far longer
Having hydrogen at home must be handled with quite a high level of...security....😊
What could possibly go wrong? To quote a 1937 radio news reporter "Oh the humanity."
Except that it rises very quickly, unlike gasoline fumes
Thank you for clarifying what the PV industry is. I will say this is so neat! Say, have you made a video explaining how a hydrogen ICE differs functionally from gasoline ICE? Ignition timing, combustion shape? Are they all direct injection?
Hydrogen ICE is even more dumb than hydrogen fuel cell, which, by itself, make no engineering, financial, environmental or safely sense at all. Have a little dig into the pros and cons and try to ignore the big oil propaganda. It is the fossil fuel industry who are silently behind this insane push for hydrogen. That should ring some alarm bells in the mind.
Problem is storage and not production. The safety issues for a large tank full of hydrogen are ,to put it mildly, significant.
Yes. This video ignores so many technical barriers about "actually" using Hydrogen in the way described. Producing Hydrogen has never been the problem. Simply put, there is no real way to store Hydrogen molecules because, look at the periodic table, it's the first element on that chart for a reason - it is the smallest known atom to exist. So small that other physical barriers do little to properly contain it. The best is a leaky storage tank.
Solid hydrogen has already been tested in lab, and is in process of being commercialized.
@@canterburyworkshop5631 Link please. Also, how about a run down of how much extra energy it takes to solidify it. It takes 30% of the energy in the hydrogen just to liquefy it.
The energy density of tanks also suck. People love to talk about the energy density per kg of hydrogen, but any commercial tanks you'll find weight 20x the mass of the hydrogen they hold, totally negating the energy density benefit. Also, if you want to compress it, it takes another 10% of the energy that was in the hydrogen, and if you want to liquefy it, it takes 30%, and then you lose it to boil off at a high rate.
@@canterburyworkshop5631no it isn’t
All ready running an ev off solar. Solar also runs the house. It works beautifully. I like the idea of producing hydrogen but am concerned about potential for fire or worse. Fascinating tec. Would love to see the safety issues addressed.
This would make house fires interesting.
Is that 250Lts of liquid hydrogen (ie -253C to liquify) or 250Lts of gas at one atmosphere, and how is the H2 stored ???? Interested on the answers
I don't understand, how is the gas pressurized and chilled? Liquid hydrogen (LH2) is typically stored at extremely low temperatures and low pressures to keep it in its liquid state. The boiling point of hydrogen at one atmosphere of pressure is about -252.87 degrees Celsius (-423.17 degrees Fahrenheit). To keep hydrogen in its liquid form, it needs to be maintained at temperatures close to or below its boiling point.
you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
@@VenturaIT "check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project" Ok, I checked it out. His 40kW of solar power (at least 70 large pv panels) is massive. The average US household uses around 30 kWh of electricity per day, which would require 5 kW to 8.5 kW solar system (depending on sun exposure) to offset 100%. So his system would power well over FIVE average (non-hydrogen) homes and allow charging an EV as well at each home. Without needing the huge underground storage tank and all the pumps, compressors, and controls shown in his photos. Wait--isn't NiMH just a battery chemistry? You mean he's storing his solar power in batteries, like everybody else?
OY! And this is supposed to convince me?
Another video for daydreamers.
1) how many kWh of H2 can you produce on a sunny day, keeping in mind EVs consumption ranges between 10 and 15 kWh / 100 km if you drive sensibly ?
2) Fuel cell cars running on H2 are filled between 300 and 700 bars at the pump. How do you manage such high pressures in a domestic environment ?
Can the made hydrogen be stored in cylinders like gas.
Also, even though the use of Hydrogen has loads of ways......can it simply be used to flame a gas burner and cook dinner?
If everyone keep absorbing water from moisture in the air.. Doesn't it going to have any impact on atmosphere..?
Can it be scaled up to burn the hydrogen in power stations?
Basically an upscaled version of an ionic membrane dehumidifier, currently used in sensitive electronic enclosures that need a reduced moisture environment.
250l .... of gaseous hydrogen or liquid hydrogen???
If it's gaseous, I'm pretty sure that's not alot. How is it stored? Does the panel power the storage?
What is the exhaust gas? Water plus what?
Litres at what pressure? Use moles.
10 mol? 22.4 times 10 is roughly 250
What do small hydrogen cell cost? Direct ethanol fuel cells are quite expensive and huge. I wanted to look into ones for robotics, but also for UPS (backup energy) or mobile energy for a RV. These are all much smaller than for running a car, but it's expensive. I wonder if hydrogen ones are already cheaper to produce.
Hydrogen fuel cells have existed for a long time. They are about the size of a water heater. The problem has been having a source of Hydrogen. This could be it.
Imagine reving a hydrogen powered car ❤❤
my question is how are they separating the oxygen from the hydrogen after electrolysis?
At what pressure do you suggest to store hydrogen and how much energy will you need for that ?
Typical industrial concentration / pressure to achieve 'decent' **energy density** of the [H2]g is at approx. 1000+ psig / 67+ bar. At that extreme pressure, most metal containment and storage is essentially 'transparent' ("leaks like hell" ... simply because the hydrogen molecures are ~smaller than the molecular crystaline lattice dimensions of the containment metal) unless these metals are very carefully FORGED (and additionally all the sealing compoonets are ultra-precision metal "ring-seals"). Such makes the initial manufacture of the high pressure 'storage containment ' of [H2]g prohibitively EXPENSIVE. On top of that, under current regulations, one will need a special license and permit to store it.
AT the very MINIMUM, hydrogen is most certainly NOT READY for PRIME TIME ... economical and 'safe' storage is already established & required, 'lethal service' containment is the problem. - As an example, If one omits such special storage of the super high pressure [H2]g fuel tank on a smallish commuter vehicle would probably need the 'tank' to be the 1/2 the volumetric size of the HINDENBURG Zeppelin ... for minimum miles driven.
@@richh1576 thank you. This what I presumed but I didn’t have the technical know how. Thank you for bringing it.
@@albertlevert2988 One must realize that hydrogen gas has a very LOW energy density at 'normal' to atmospheric pressures. Also, most dissociation (moleculaar separation) of water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen are usually at a NET ENERGY LOSS ... it takes more energy input than one gets out of the process, especially when compression of the gas is involved.
The most efficient and most economical means of generating hydrogen gas remains - the 'cracking' of hydrogen molecules from hydrocarbons (a common practice within oil refineries !!!)
How is the gas compressed and stored and do you want to have a hydrogen 'bomb' stored in your garage?
Will it work at -40c ?
250 L ? in what form ? Doesnt a car calculate the range etc in KG ?
The music at the end was nice...
I think the main point here is a bank of these could be added to bio-gas systems that are already in place.For example meat works or piggeries which and running engines to generate electricity and hot water.I would imagine an extra 5-10 percent would be extremely beneficial
Better to just use the PV panels to make electricity.
250 litres of hydrogen is about 20 grams. It would take about ten days production to equal 1 litre of petrol.
Buy more panels.
How will the gas be compressed? Do you have any info on compressing hydrogen?
Yes, hydrogen would have to be compressed, or cooled. The energy cost to do so will far outweigh any cost benefits. For a fuel cell, the compression required is 700 bar (10,000 psi) requiring very specialized and expensive tanks and to generate any electricity from it you need catalysts that use the most expensive and rarest metals on the planet. It's a total financial and environmental dead-end - being promoted by, guess who, he fossil fuel industry. I'll leave it up to you to work out why big oil are so enthusiastic.
@@mb-3faze big oil? Let me guess. ROI and supply and demand. Well there are some better ways to compressor there but it's part of the separation of H and O process but still expensive. Ty
@@l0I0I0I0 It seems counter intuitive that they (big oil) would be promoting 'green hydrogen' but they have a long game: the establishment of a hydrogen economy greenwashed in to existence using solar PV and wind turbine energy. It takes a few minutes with a calculator and some easily available government energy statistics to realize that electrolysis will never produce enough economic hydrogen and that the only solution to the supply problem will be reforming methane to produce hydrogen - and big oil will happily keep sucking that out of the ground to satisfy demand.
You are only talking about ONE way to utilize hydrogen and of course it is the way most profitable to oil industries. @@mb-3faze
Most everything you have heard about hydrogen was ALREADY FUNDED by big oil... If it is such a 'dead end' entirely, then why did they murder the first person to go public with a completely hydrogen powered car ? Think, use your brains, stop parroting the same old story. Follow the money, and you find many cover ups along the way. Profit/greed drives them.
Yea I’m interested as I have a home on a remote tropical island with plenty of water and sun off the grid
I am looking into a hydrogen generator to power a combustion generator for powering my home. Unfortunately, from what I've seen so far, powering a car with stored hydrogen is extremely difficult.
Why not just power your house from inverters? It would be much cheaper and you will get roughly four times the electricity from the same solar panels into your house.
@peek5548 the primary byproducts of combustion of fossil fuels is CO2 and water. Water in already present inside car engines. Sorry, you need to research this topic instead of believing everything you are told.
Look at the Toyota Mirai. It's been selling in the US since I believe 2008.
@@jeffmann2494 he would have to find a way to pressurize it to 10,000 psi. Far easier to just get an EV and batteries.
Agreed@@williammeek4078
You won't be able to store the hydrogen itself except in low amounts probably. It's the same problem with filling up tires with air pressure. You need the generator to generate enough energy to fill the tanks, or a compressor. This means the generated hydrogen would have to be immediately burnt by a generator and then the electricity stored in a battery. And filling up your hydrogen car would take hours. Meanwhile your generator wouldn't be running.
Typically the entire process of high compression of Hydrogen gas is a NET ENERGY LOSS
you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
@@VenturaIT "check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project" Ok, I checked it out. His 40kW of solar power (at least 70 large pv panels) is massive. The average US household uses around 30 kWh of electricity per day, which would require 5 kW to 8.5 kW solar system (depending on sun exposure) to offset 100%. So his system would power well over FIVE average (non-hydrogen) homes and allow charging an EV as well at each home. Without needing the huge underground storage tank and all the pumps, compressors, and controls shown in his photos. OY! And this is supposed to convince me?
awesome. just wondering it some corporation will block it with a patent or something. on the big scale, the Japanese are already on it. fission and fusion will create all the H we need. and Toyota has the Murai. we haven't found clean batteries yet...
How much heat in BTUs would this give a home assisted heating ???
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Since it's a solar based system, you can use all your hydrogen for heating in the summer.
Sorry, no hydrogen available during the winter because solar is negligible.
Thanks@@SeattlePioneer
The toyota h two engine and spreading my own hydrogen at home is a dream of mine as well
Sounds too good to be true, and it is. The company says a product will only be available in 2030 (probably later) and that the price will eventually and hopefully go down to what solar panels are today, meaning not in the foreseeable future. Moreover, if it's 250 liters of gaseous hydrogen a day it's like 22 grams (~0.05 pounds) which is nothing. :(
you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
Well said, if it were as dreamy as discussed in this video you would just mount a couple of these on top of your vehicle and be able to drive as long as you had water to feed it (a long time).
Chris still needs cars or a car😂😂
YES, SO I HAVE 2 VERY IMP QUESTION TO THIS.
1. How is the govt and coperations gonna respond to this???
2. How will the company benifit after market saturation???
Hi Chris, is there a way to get hydrogen shipped to you or anything like this unit that can make a useful amount of fuel? My buyers bought a Lyriq and were so impressed on the deal they got....... they didn't realize we are in Indiana and the nearest station is in Quebec or LA, It's a really comical story to say the least!! I would love to have a few minutes to pick your brain if you would be so kind. Thanks!
What I want to get is a Mr. Green steam power generator running of my woodstove that heat my house where some of that heat gets converted into electricity for the house needs and the leftover goes to creating hydrogen and compressing it into cans! Then they can be plugged in the car and on the road you go! What about a hydrogen powered chainsaw with butane size cans…
any idea how much 250l of hydrogen weighs? about 22.5g. Any idea how much hydrogen is equivalent to 1 gal of gasoline? it's about 1kg. Not sure what car you're planning on running on 1 days' worth of hydrogen generation... Just a piece of advice.... you might consider looking at this from an economy of scales perspective.
They could fill the interior of the car with the 250 liters - and then sit inside and light a match. At least parts of their body and bits of the car will reach the intended destination (possibly).
I believe there might be some oversimplification in your explanation, especially regarding the use of hydrogen in a combustion engine. Toyota did attempt this approach, and the maintenance costs of such engines turned out to be quite challenging; they required frequent parts replacement, often as often as every two hours. It's more common to convert hydrogen into electricity using fuel cells and then use that electricity to power an electric motor in a car. While hydrogen-powered cars have potential, it's crucial to address the challenges of storing and handling hydrogen safely. Storing highly flammable gas at 350 bars of pressure in a home tank is a significant safety concern. Just to give you an idea, the pressure in a typical car tire is only about 2.5 bars. In this context, electric cars seem like a more practical and logical solution. They can be directly powered by solar panels and then act as a storage solution for excess electricity, which can be used to power your home at night. This approach is not only safer but also more efficient and feasible for everyday consumers.
I can not believe that this tech will not be derailed some how by powerful fossil fuel corporations and countries.
It will be derailed when people find out it is useless, in a vehicle, it is all a scam, the world is full of them now.
Its much cheaper and vastly easier to 'crack' petroleum in a refinery into component hydrogen
Souns promising, but how does the H2 produced by electrolysis get stored in pressurizied containers that one can use in a vehicle or in the home?
you are behind the times... check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
@@VenturaIT "check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project" Ok, I checked it out. His 40kW of solar power (at least 70 large pv panels) is massive. The average US household uses around 30 kWh of electricity per day, which would require 5 kW to 8.5 kW solar system (depending on sun exposure) to offset 100%. So his system would power well over FIVE average (non-hydrogen) homes and allow charging an EV as well at each home. Without needing the huge underground storage tank and all the pumps, compressors, and controls shown in his photos. Oh, and isn't NiMH just a battery chemistry? You mean he's storing his solar power in batteries, like everybody else?
OY! And this is supposed to convince me?
@@youtubemakesmedothis7280The 40kw that you are talking about is not his, that's his first customer's house. His house is different... probably more storage and less solar. The amount of solar and tanks probably depends on how much solar you have. The problem is that solar doesn't work at night or in the clouds or winter very well... so the hydrogen fills that in. He says that very clearly. But don't ask me about his projects and products, ask him. Also you are wrong about the EV charging requirements:
Tesla Model charging efficiencies
Tesla Model
Energy Required To Charge Battery (k Wh)
End Charge Of Battery (k Wh)
Efficiency (percentage)
Model 3 69.598 kWh* 62.047 kWh 87.83%
Model 3 Long Range 86.073 kWh* 76.577 kWh 87.60%
Model 3 Performance 94.242 kWh** 80.818 kWh 83.39%
Model S 114.054 kWh** 98.267 kWh 83.93%
Model S Plaid 116.344 kWh** 99.287 kWh 82.82%
Model X 114.97 kWh** 99.976 kWh 85.00%
Model X Plaid 114.882 kWh* 102.829 kWh*** 88.28%
Model Y Long Range 91.115 kWh* 80.708 kWh 87.11%
Model Y Performance 92.213 kWh** 81.052 kWh 86.23%
*Based on model year 2022, the closest model listed by the EPA.
**Based on model year 2021, the closest model listed by the EPA.
***Based on the 2021 Performance model, the closest model listed by the EPA.
(from energysage)
In super dry regions you can send up a high altitude weather balloon to collect hydrogen
Solar panel will go opsolit soon. We have the knowladge and the technology to produce electricity from thin air.
Solar and galactic electromagnetic FLUX
When I was 12 I got a chemistry set for Christmas. One of the experiments was making hydrogen. Fortunately it just made a small explosion and fire. I was told not to do those experiments in the house any more.
so at room temp, 120 L of H2 has approx 360wh or 0.36 KWh of energy which is equivalent to 0.03 gallon of Gasoline. In other words, to replace 1 gallon of gasoline would take over 4000 L of Hydrogen
it is cool but will it be supported ?
One more thing you neglected to say the production has is in a liquid 250Ltr or as a gas state.. ?
Thom in Scotland
Love hydrogen makes a lovely bang and you can fill balloons with it😅
Few problems will arise here. Insurance for your house would probably go up because you essentially have a potential hazardous installation at home. Next to that is you have to choose your available space for solar or hydrogen production. Unless the panel is switchable between those two options.
While all new technologies are impressive most homes aren't suitable and need modifications or best is to build a new one with all new technologies in mind.
Great, now think about ways to make it work.
It's no different from having a gas line in your home. Many have those and it's proven to be safe. Hydrogen would be no more of a risk, even far less because there are no long lines involved.
If u think nothing is possible then even living is not possible.
It's silly to think insurance for your home would go up if you installed these panels. There is plenty of space to install these panels on the roof of your garage, house, carport, patio, Shed, and in your backyard while having space for solar panels and even solar heater panels. The modifications to your home will be minimal - you just install the panels.
@@ent1311 yes it could. If I did this in my country I have to get approval from the government and it has to be company build equipment. This would also have to be insured, safety checked regularly. We're not allowed to randomly install self-built equipment. It has to be approved. Not only for your own safety but also for others.
IIRC from when this hit the local news a good while ago, they were storing the H2 in regular, commercially available 300 (?) bar cylinders
Better wonder about the compressor than the tank
I will decide when I see it.
Did miss it or were they wanting to make hydrogen without an electrolyte?
"Oh, the humanity!"
The only being where this is handy is with cat litter...it's CALLED LITRES . AS IN LITRES WHICH DESCRIBES A VOLUME THAT VOLUME IS ON LITRES AS IN LITRES .
Super hopeful that this will work out OK it would so wonderful to have free energy finally and be able to have a much better quality of life worldwide.
Don't get your hopes up. Hydrogen will be the least 'free' energy ever. Just the generation of it is harmful for the atmosphere and therefore detrimental to the quality of life worldwide. Hydrogen, for example, interacts with, and eliminates, atmospheric hydroxyl ions. Those hydroxyl ions are the primary method the atmosphere naturally removes methane (a very potent green house gas).
250 litres will do nothing, get an education.
Where oh where did I mention 250 litres? Before you slag people off, about be ill educated I have multiple qualifications in engineering science, motor vehicle engineering, as well many other qualifications. Anyone who is quick to make comments like this is in need of education, I'm not on about small scale I'm on about scaling up, and with a positive mindset and the right people anything can be achieved. We as a human race have proved this time and time again, but people who constant scald those who venture outside the norms or push boundaries are normally the ones who are the most bitter and miserable, because they always think they are right when often it's proven they are wrong time and time again. So please don't slag me off when you don't know the first thing about what context I meant something or intelligence level I have.
@@paulford8256 how do you think this will be “free” energy ?
Its no different to “free” solar PV energy…but you have to invest upfront in the hardware , hydrogen storage system, installation, maintenance, lost financial interest, etc…… before you access any of that energy,
Then you will need to amortise that over the realistic lifespan of the system and the amount of energy it produces over that period ( hint ,
They want to burn water. Turning H2O into O? I can't see that ending well.
Untrained, unequipped homeowners producing and storing hydrogen? What could possibly go wrong with that?? ICEs burning hydrogen? So we will still lose energy to heat losses, still have oil changes, engine repairs . . . . Yes, but in addition, we will have spectacular TH-cam content with video of exploding cars and hot, hot fires. Well, thanks, so much.
250 liter hydrogen gas has very little energy because H2 is extremely light. Suppose that 250 liter is about 35 grams; and suppose it has twice as much energy per unit of weight as petrol, that would be like 70 gram petrol per day... not even 1/10th of a liter petrol.
The density of gasoline is about 0.75 kg/l and the calorific value is about 43 MJ/kg (approx. 9 kWh/l). What makes hydrogen an interesting energy carrier is the high calorific value of hydrogen gas, approx. 119 MJ/kg.
As long as the energy cost of producing hydrogen is as high as its energy content, it’s not a fuel. It’s an energy storage medium, akin to lithium ion batteries.
SUPER IDEA . POZDRAWIAM .
I have a nice home IC generator that is 7,500 watts. It can use gasoline or LPG. So I wonder if it can use Hydrogen? If so, it would be one way to charge a battery bank. The other way I see is using fuel cells which require a source of hydrogen. If this could be done with this technology it would be great.
Using solar panels to make hydrogen to run a generator to charge a battery bank would be a very inefficient use of the energy produced by the solar panel. It would be far more efficient to use the solar panels to charge the battery and use the money you saved (by not buying a hydrogen plant, storage system etc...) to buy a bigger battery.
check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project he uses nickel metal hydride to store hydrogen.
@@VenturaIT "check out Mike Strizki's Hydrogen House Project" Ok, I checked it out. His 40kW of solar power (at least 70 large pv panels) is massive. The average US household uses around 30 kWh of electricity per day, which would require 5 kW to 8.5 kW solar system (depending on sun exposure) to offset 100%. So his system would power well over FIVE average (non-hydrogen) homes and allow charging an EV as well at each home. Without needing the huge underground storage tank and all the pumps, compressors, and controls shown in his photos. Oh, and isn't NiMH just a battery chemistry? You mean he's storing his solar power in batteries, like everybody else?
OY! And this is supposed to convince me?
If you can repeat your comment, I can repeat mine! (Apologies to the others reading this!)
@@youtubemakesmedothis7280That's not his house that's his first customer's house. He has all kinds of projects and smaller versions available. You can ask him if you have any questions about his projects and products.
@@youtubemakesmedothis7280 And you are wrong about the EV charging requirements:
Tesla Model charging efficiencies
Tesla Model
Energy Required To Charge Battery (k Wh)
End Charge Of Battery (k Wh)
Efficiency (percentage)
Model 3 69.598 kWh* 62.047 kWh 87.83%
Model 3 Long Range 86.073 kWh* 76.577 kWh 87.60%
Model 3 Performance 94.242 kWh** 80.818 kWh 83.39%
Model S 114.054 kWh** 98.267 kWh 83.93%
Model S Plaid 116.344 kWh** 99.287 kWh 82.82%
Model X 114.97 kWh** 99.976 kWh 85.00%
Model X Plaid 114.882 kWh* 102.829 kWh*** 88.28%
Model Y Long Range 91.115 kWh* 80.708 kWh 87.11%
Model Y Performance 92.213 kWh** 81.052 kWh 86.23%
*Based on model year 2022, the closest model listed by the EPA.
**Based on model year 2021, the closest model listed by the EPA.
***Based on the 2021 Performance model, the closest model listed by the EPA.
(from energysage)
Good to see another Saffie on the go.
I think its an great idear but drive around your suburb and count how many houses got solar and why you sill have a lot of others without.
comes down to cost and location ofthe house with out solar..
Gerard.
This is looking for a technology when a solution already exists that has been shown to work in the 1970's in France and 1990's in the US by Stanley Meyer, I can only assume that the electrolysis they used was based on pulsed electronics probably using resonant frequencies of Hydrogen or Oxygen or some sort of mathematical transform
how highly combustible hydrogen gas will be stored? Dangerous... ???
I think this can only work if we could somehow make plants and do chemical extraction not electrolising.
It invented the electrolyzer ?
You can run a car for an hour with a mixture of water and tablespoon of baking soda in a plastic container pullout the petrol tube into the carb and put in the tube from from the plastic container which is sealed and the hydrogen will run the car a bit sluggish it just needs refining
At least, I haven’t heard about any news about a hydrogen car exploding like EVs.
There will also be maintenance costs.
I worked in renewables for 3 years and you have to watch the math, 250l of Hydrogen sounds like a lot but at atmospheric pressure it only has 2.625 kw of energy, since an electric car uses about 3.5 kw per mile (as an energy baseline example)... you will drive about 1320 yards... with a big balloon trailing the car, If you wanted to compress it to 5000 psi or more it would likely give a zero return.
The problem here is not the hydrogen it is the solar, like all renewables (except hydro) solar is very dilute energy and if you want to make appreciable amounts of hydrogen you need dense energy, compressing it is also very energy intense especially when you go to 5000 psi or more which is what you need to actually store enough to use in say a car.
Hydrogen is neat stuff but has unique problems that make it expensive and costly to make and utilize. My take is natural gas is 3/4 hydrogen, take it and use it, stop the idiocy about no carbon fuels, we don't need to get rid of all carbon to save the world, it is far safer than hydrogen too.
Energy (kWh) = 0.25 cubic meter × 10.5 kWh/m³ = 2.625 kWh
Some people look at a thing and can only see what it is and what it can’t do. Smart people look at a thing and think "wow, how can I make this better"
The problem is we already have better. That is just using the same solar panels to just charge an EV to go 3x further.
Hydrogen has been around for a while, but making it better hasn't really come about.
The metal-hydride lattice thingy VenturaIT is spamming about, was proposed 20-30 years ago - hasn't really come about so far.
That’s 21g. It has same energy as 60g of gasoline or 0.65kwh electricity.
That won’t take you far.
Coolist on a island permaculture living and hydrogen.
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250 LITERS of hydrogen? FABULOUS. That will drive approx. 1/2 mile far. I can WALK farther than that in a day. Oh I only need to install 1000 of these? I'll try to put them in my neighbor's garden, mine is not large enough. THANK YOU! Can you lend me the money to buy them first? It's got to cost less than 10 Million for 1000, right?
Why not use solar directly to be efficient?
Biohydrogen can be produced from green algae found in swamps to biotechnology laboratories to further provide interim products for QHSE storage, ecosystems and commerce (monetization). Biohydrogen can generate income and improve the economy for those who own a few acres of land. Research on growing algae in swamps and undisturbed jungles.
Can we store solar energy into big water tanks first?!!
Just use solar power straight to your electrolysis. Many people have done this for decades. In three months you can generate enough to store for the winter assuming you use fuel cell car and furl cell home in cold climate.
China & UAE: DIRECT Electrolysis of SEAWATER
lindalame don't show how you use the solar to produce hydrogen
You don't have to use compressed hydrogen, there has been gas/hydrogen hybrid kits for years. They just electrolyze the hydrogen from distilled water. They are about $1000-2000.
Petrol and Diesel seem so old fashioned now.
Hydrogen is the new technology now.
250L of gas is very different from liquid form.
This figure of 250L may be at 1 atmosphere at 20 degrees Celsius (21 grams per panel per day). So nothing close to what is required to run a car.
I think there is going to have to be a mix of solutions EV/Hydrogen/Solar/Hydro etc to make things viable at any level and really the more cheap it can be for end users the more we all benefit.
The only real concern i have going forward is that fact there is a lot of scientist/companies that are looking to mine/user materials we have no idea of longer term impact, its like all these places saying we will mine the moon or put habitats etc on there (they do understand the moons mass effects earths gravity etc and we already as humans have impacted the earths rate of spin and there is slowly becoming more human made weight than natural)
Don't trust my figures - they're first stage guesstimate. So 250 Liters does not refer to liquid - but gas. Compressed to 1000 PSI that equals a full size man-portable tank - about 120# if steel.
What is the weight of 1 liter of hydrogen gas?
One Liter of Hydrogen under standard conditions weighs 0.0896 g.
1KG/.0896 = 24,553 Liters (Per KG of H2)
So from either measure, we're talking about only 22g or 0.77 Oz of hydrogen production per day.
What is the gasoline equivalent?
Surprisingly Hydrogen is just less than 3x greater energy equivalence than gasoline by weight (it's pure fuel, and much lighter than carbon.) So we're talking about 2 OUNCES OF GASOLINE PER DAY.
Other people seem to have come up with similar numbers.
That means you would need 12 panels in optimal weather to fill your Slurpee cup.
... if they do develop a cheap system that any home owner can use to produce enough hydrogen to power there home & car it will take hold.. but by then the next generation solar panels and batteries will be here
storing up the hydrogen seems to be a major issue.
I water my whole garden on condensate for free even when its over 90 F out
Let's see now.
If you use 1 liter of hydrogen in a fuel cell, you can expect 3 watt hours of electricity.
If you burn 1 liter of hydrogen, you can expect 13 kilo joules of heat, which in practical terms would be 4 to 6 kilo joules of electricity (1.11 to 2.66 watt hours).
Let's be generous and assume using a fuel cell for its higher efficiency.
For an electric vehicle, they get between 4 to 6.4 km per kWh, depending upon efficiency with a current average of 4.8 km/kWh.
So that 250 liters of hydrogen gives you approximately 750 watt hours, or a range of 3 to 4.8 km depending upon efficiency.
Somehow that sounds less than amazing.
Great, now how are the average Joe compress this gas to about 150 Bar
Any solar panel can be used to generate hydrogen. You don't need a special panel for that.