Mike . What a mensh you are are . Thank you Kimmon. We grew up with Afrikekaner familis . What soulful poeple . The mothers were in pain that we couuld not fathom . The fathers were Narsisist who fouund solace in the bottle. All in the name of Vaderland. I am indian muslim . . Thank you Mike . We knew all about the bodybags that came in the hundreds . The bushwars and the ghosts you were fighting😊
I remember I had 3 options deciding to go to the Army.... 1. Religious Objector gave you 6 years community service. 2. Refuse to go = 6 years DB 3. Go to the Army for 2 years and get it done... I chose 3. Apartjeid was NEVER on my mind! I didn't even know the ANC existed, Mandela, etc. We were told that we were fighting Russians and communism.... Die swart gevaar,.... This book tells my story to a large degree! 😊😊😊😊
SMike what a mensh thank you Kimmon. . WE GREW UP WITH AFRIKANER NEIGHBOURS . WHAT GREAT HEARTS . IF ONLY THEY WERENT SO DETERNINED TO PRESERSE THE BLOND HAIR AND BLUE EYES . I AM INDIAN MUSLIM . WE SAW THE PAIN OF OF THE MOTHERS AND THE NARCISSIST FATHERS WHO TURNED TO THE BOTTLE .
Thanks, guys. Good interview. I served in 1962. First groupin SAI at Walvis Bay. Also swallowed the 'We are fighting communism' story. Never saw action and enjoyed the outdoor life. How different it was for you and the others, Michael. Will buy your book asap. God bless.
I wholeheartedly agree we are a Licorice All Sorts Nation and not a rainbow nation. My Gran,'s favourite sweets and one of mine too. Blessings from Sue. Would love to read your book!!!
Hello Sue! Yeah, we are licorice All Sorts. You can purchase my book on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Name-God-Defending-Apartheid-ebook/dp/B0079YPB0Y/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=MyinP&content-id=amzn1.sym.9f654aa3-75f1-42ea-bb2c-1136f91b121f&pf_rd_p=9f654aa3-75f1-42ea-bb2c-1136f91b121f&pf_rd_r=140-6706711-9485812&pd_rd_wg=zgc8a&pd_rd_r=2b56981a-6dc9-46e7-93de-c7c6048534ba&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
Sapper L/Cpl 1985 - 1987.... Based camp ay Oshokati, Namibia / Angola border.... Religious Objector 1988-1990, due to my refusal to continue with 3months Army Camps each year, after National Service since 1987...
With reference to the vehicles carting soldiers. Buffel ( Buffalo) was a Mercedes Unimog chassis and engine with a modified body. The 32 Battalion used Casper Bundu bashers. Thanks to the internet we can gain access to a vast array of subjects. Reading retired NATO soldiers accounts in more recent wars they too are jaded by the fact that they fought for lies in Afghanistan and Iraq. ( now the current ones are in Ukraine) . They are even more disillusioned because they were deployed abroad and did not fight to defend home territory. SADF and Rhodesians fought for their homelands in Southern Africa. It was a local fight. I believe that South African leaders were duped by NATO to fight the USSR in the cold war, to keep the Cape sea route free. ( Ja remember that one ) Once the USSR collapsed SA was abandoned by its disingenuous friends. To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous, to be a friend is fatal.
The snake was already in the wood pile from long before. The fact that none of the media spoke of who was behind communism while at the same time financing "Black Nationalism". Ownership of all the worthwhile assets, including land and mines etc of the economy are still in the same hands tells you everything. Divide and Conquer with usury is their preferred method. The privately owned Central Bank was setup after the Boer wars The Money Masters Communism By the Back Door The History Of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind - Stephan Mitford Goodson
Guess who financed the Bolsheviks. Two sides to the same coin Rothschilds the Boer War Rhodesia and South Africa th-cam.com/video/ddqsKDWxTeU/w-d-xo.html
@@Stormer-Europa - yes, most decidedly, but therein lies another concealed dagger to the heart of all that would be good and upright-the insidious agenda of the world’s relatively small cabal of classist, people-hating elites, being continuously carried out by their network of iniquitous lackeys and stooges, through all spheres of humanity.
The Zondo Commission's findings ( SA Judicial) found the ANC govt " A total disgrace ( useless) with a GENERAL ( not just a few bad apples in govt) FRAUDULENT ( criminal) character. Why ? Because the ANC GOVT under Ramaphosa are looting govt coffers and then say " there are no money because of APARTHEID! One general worker at my work said " You can't plant a potato and think an onion will grow" Also read Galatians 6 : 7-8. Under Apartheid there were NO Nigerian drug rubbishes loitering on street corners (with SAPS in their pockets) destroying the youth of SA. Big mouth politicians like Malema and Fikile Mbalula are totally useless. " The loudest mouth in the room is the weakest" Black American boxer Mike Tyson.
Interesting being an ex English man having served. Many of us like minded willbe able to relate. I enjoyed the interview between 2 friends on Mike's biography!! Will buy the book..
Sorry, but the very beginning contains a lie. Pity the author had to sing to the usual Boer-hate tune, whatever good he intended. We didn't defend apartheid. We defended our homeland, with all it's faults. Full stop.
Believe what you must … that’s your prerogative and your privilege. Almost assuredly you’re one of those Boere ‘Afrikaners’ I alluded to, with your own special brand of denialism … you are unable to put yourself in the shoes of experience of anyone else …
@@kalomboC There were thousands of English middle class and lower class totally defending Apartheid, same as in Rhodesia, they understood the threat was a common threat of COMMUNISM. I was in the police with MANY English, we were completely united against Communism and anything against the Government. It is a combo of survival & defending our country. There were extremists in BOTH Afrikaans & English SA community, marginally more on the Afrikaans side, but by no means were English SA's not also in on defending SA & de facto the Government & in the very same boat as ALL white South Africans.
@gysgijsbers4202 'Fighting Communism' was [is] a cynical fig leaf for the rabid racist hate and fear of Black People. The belief of inherent 'Caucasian superiority' and 'Black Inferiority' and hence the unwillingness to accept Black Majority Rule. English men & Afrikaaners were both guilty of this. Deep down they all knew what they were fighting to defend.
I cannot remember ever hearing my parents and other adults being hateful and racist to black folk, in natal. Only when I went in to do my 2 year national service did I come upon hatred and racism. As an Englishman, I fought a war on two fronts. The first was against black folk whom I had no problems with. The second was against the racist Afrikaner, who seemed to hate the rooinekke, more than he hated the black folk. I was against what was going on and like many of my English brothers, I sabotaged the army as much as I could. I caused a lot of chaos.tgere were many Afrikaners who did not like the way that we as Englishmen were being treated, but they kept their mouths shut. I enjoyed many things that I was taught, just not the hate.
Hi Mark, I experienced things much the same as you did, but I tried to be a peacemaker where I could, which wasn’t made any easier by the Afrikaners despising us English-speakers as they did. However, the black folk (esp the entitled ones) nowadays don’t care for your white skin, regardless of whether you’re an Afrikaner or an English SAffa - prove me wrong!
@@gysgijsbers4202 I never said that the English where innocent. They were the first to use concentration camps against the Boers. There are many racist Englishmen around. I have many good Afrikaner friends and family, so I have no hate for the Afrikaans nation. It's just that certain group of people who although they hate black and brown people, I think that they hate themselves the most. Which of two groups do you belong in. Those who willingly did their draft, so they could unleash their racial hatred, or those who went into service with no hate in them.
To begin with, the following there has never been a communist siege. So the premises of a communist siege and the use of God in the context is not scientifically astute.
You miss the point completely … there certainly was a border-wide communist threat from Angola, SWA/Namibia (communistically-influenced ‘freedom fighters’), Rhodesia/Zimbabwe & Mozambique. The ‘God’ aspect was the Afrikaners, who thought they were God’s own chosen people, after the Israelites in the Bible. How old are you? I ask this, as younger generations are generally not well-informed, and make nebulous, uninformed statements, much like you have.
Ironically you were actually fighting the "communists" and now they rule South Africa. If there had been a political agreement after WWII the ANC wouldn't have been quite as communist... oh well.
What kind of political agreement after WW2 would have prevented the Communist ANC to rule? I think the SA leaders did what they thought was best for SA...and in many ways SA today is a much better place for all races, than what the rest of Africa is.
Hey Russel, you make a good point, but the ANC was always going the route of communism after Albert Kethuli was sidelined by the more communistically-minded in the ANC …
Hey Gys, you obviously have very little understanding that this was all orchestrated by the Freemason FW De Klerk on the instructions of the Stellenbosch Cabal and their accomplices, ultimately controlled by Anglo-American puppet masters … I will touch on that in this channel at a later stage …
@@Riski_Business Did SA not have a serious Communist threat from the 1950's - late 1980's? Was it just imagined? Were we whites (& some conservative Coloureds & Indians) simply all fooled that we could have a Robert Mugabe-type as Predident/Prime Minister if given over to Democracy & that the USSR had their eye on our resources? Just imagined, not real?
@@Riski_Business Or the fact that the Oppenheimers financed the ANC for over 80 years without a peep in the media. Guess who still owns the mines to this day?
Mike . What a mensh you are are . Thank you Kimmon. We grew up with Afrikekaner familis . What soulful poeple . The mothers were in pain that we couuld not fathom . The fathers were Narsisist who fouund solace in the bottle. All in the name of Vaderland. I am indian muslim . . Thank you Mike . We knew all about the bodybags that came in the hundreds . The bushwars and the ghosts you were fighting😊
I remember I had 3 options deciding to go to the Army....
1. Religious Objector gave you 6 years community service.
2. Refuse to go = 6 years DB
3. Go to the Army for 2 years and get it done...
I chose 3.
Apartjeid was NEVER on my mind!
I didn't even know the ANC existed, Mandela, etc.
We were told that we were fighting Russians and communism.... Die swart gevaar,....
This book tells my story to a large degree! 😊😊😊😊
Thanks Paul! The book tries to tell the story as the ‘Everyman’ regardless of which Culture or Group.
SMike what a mensh thank you Kimmon. . WE GREW UP WITH AFRIKANER NEIGHBOURS . WHAT GREAT HEARTS . IF ONLY THEY WERENT SO DETERNINED TO PRESERSE THE BLOND HAIR AND BLUE EYES . I AM INDIAN MUSLIM . WE SAW THE PAIN OF OF THE MOTHERS AND THE NARCISSIST FATHERS WHO TURNED TO THE BOTTLE .
Agreed
Thanks, guys. Good interview. I served in 1962. First groupin SAI at Walvis Bay. Also swallowed the 'We are fighting communism' story. Never saw action and enjoyed the outdoor life. How different it was for you and the others, Michael. Will buy your book asap. God bless.
God Bless you, Mr Paine!
Great chat.
I'm immediately stuck by how our experience mirrors another conflict currently going on.
Yes, these wars are created by elite puppet masters, using their compliant stooges, sycophants and attack dogs.
I wholeheartedly agree we are a Licorice All Sorts Nation and not a rainbow nation. My Gran,'s favourite sweets and one of mine too. Blessings from Sue. Would love to read your book!!!
Hello Sue! Yeah, we are licorice All Sorts. You can purchase my book on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Name-God-Defending-Apartheid-ebook/dp/B0079YPB0Y/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=MyinP&content-id=amzn1.sym.9f654aa3-75f1-42ea-bb2c-1136f91b121f&pf_rd_p=9f654aa3-75f1-42ea-bb2c-1136f91b121f&pf_rd_r=140-6706711-9485812&pd_rd_wg=zgc8a&pd_rd_r=2b56981a-6dc9-46e7-93de-c7c6048534ba&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
I suggest everyone read The History Of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind by Stephan Mitford Goodson
Sapper L/Cpl 1985 - 1987.... Based camp ay Oshokati, Namibia / Angola border....
Religious Objector 1988-1990, due to my refusal to continue with 3months Army Camps each year, after National Service since 1987...
Salute!
Hey Paul, I can totally relate!
Salute!
I hated the way we were treated in the SADF - lost all my loyalty to the "volk" - power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely
@@jnel2879-we were really just pawns in a bigger game of political conspiracy.
With reference to the vehicles carting soldiers. Buffel ( Buffalo) was a Mercedes Unimog chassis and engine with a modified body. The 32 Battalion used Casper Bundu bashers.
Thanks to the internet we can gain access to a vast array of subjects. Reading retired NATO soldiers accounts in more recent wars they too are jaded by the fact that they fought for lies in Afghanistan and Iraq. ( now the current ones are in Ukraine) . They are even more disillusioned because they were deployed abroad and did not fight to defend home territory. SADF and Rhodesians fought for their homelands in Southern Africa. It was a local fight.
I believe that South African leaders were duped by NATO to fight the USSR in the cold war, to keep the Cape sea route free. ( Ja remember that one ) Once the USSR collapsed SA was abandoned by its disingenuous friends.
To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous, to be a friend is fatal.
wholeheartedly agree with you John Smith 💯
The snake was already in the wood pile from long before. The fact that none of the media spoke of who was behind communism while at the same time financing "Black Nationalism". Ownership of all the worthwhile assets, including land and mines etc of the economy are still in the same hands tells you everything. Divide and Conquer with usury is their preferred method. The privately owned Central Bank was setup after the Boer wars
The Money Masters
Communism By the Back Door
The History Of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind - Stephan Mitford Goodson
Guess who financed the Bolsheviks. Two sides to the same coin
Rothschilds the Boer War Rhodesia and South Africa
th-cam.com/video/ddqsKDWxTeU/w-d-xo.html
All Wars Are Bankers Wars
The Money Master
The History of Central Banking - Stephan Goodson
@@Stormer-Europa - yes, most decidedly, but therein lies another concealed dagger to the heart of all that would be good and upright-the insidious agenda of the world’s relatively small cabal of classist, people-hating elites, being continuously carried out by their network of iniquitous lackeys and stooges, through all spheres of humanity.
Apartheid better than the mess we have now
In terms of infrastructure functioning, and issues related to civil law and order-Yes!
@@michaelwarren5435in everything
The Zondo Commission's findings ( SA Judicial) found the ANC govt " A total disgrace ( useless) with a GENERAL ( not just a few bad apples in govt) FRAUDULENT ( criminal) character. Why ? Because the ANC GOVT under Ramaphosa are looting govt coffers and then say " there are no money because of APARTHEID! One general worker at my work said " You can't plant a potato and think an onion will grow" Also read Galatians 6 : 7-8. Under Apartheid there were NO Nigerian drug rubbishes loitering on street corners (with SAPS in their pockets) destroying the youth of SA. Big mouth politicians like Malema and Fikile Mbalula are totally useless. " The loudest mouth in the room is the weakest" Black American boxer Mike Tyson.
Not if you are Black. Different experiences create different realities.
As Prof Terreblance noted."History is a continuum". It's not born in a vacuum guys.
Very good. What was the interviewer's name?
Interviewer: Mr. Kimon Paxinos, of Pretoria.
A war which should not have ever happened in the first place.
Like all wars, really.
Interesting being an ex English man having served.
Many of us like minded willbe able to relate.
I enjoyed the interview between 2 friends on Mike's biography!!
Will buy the book..
Thanks Steven!
Sorry, but the very beginning contains a lie. Pity the author had to sing to the usual Boer-hate tune, whatever good he intended. We didn't defend apartheid. We defended our homeland, with all it's faults. Full stop.
You defended Apartheid....it is what it is.
Believe what you must … that’s your prerogative and your privilege. Almost assuredly you’re one of those Boere ‘Afrikaners’ I alluded to, with your own special brand of denialism … you are unable to put yourself in the shoes of experience of anyone else …
@@kalomboC There were thousands of English middle class and lower class totally defending Apartheid, same as in Rhodesia, they understood the threat was a common threat of COMMUNISM. I was in the police with MANY English, we were completely united against Communism and anything against the Government. It is a combo of survival & defending our country. There were extremists in BOTH Afrikaans & English SA community, marginally more on the Afrikaans side, but by no means were English SA's not also in on defending SA & de facto the Government & in the very same boat as ALL white South Africans.
@gysgijsbers4202 'Fighting Communism' was [is] a cynical fig leaf for the rabid racist hate and fear of Black People. The belief of inherent 'Caucasian superiority' and 'Black Inferiority' and hence the unwillingness to accept Black Majority Rule.
English men & Afrikaaners were both guilty of this. Deep down they all knew what they were fighting to defend.
@@Riski_Business I'm waiting for you to tell me Oppenheimer and Rupert are Afrikaners.
I cannot remember ever hearing my parents and other adults being hateful and racist to black folk, in natal. Only when I went in to do my 2 year national service did I come upon hatred and racism. As an Englishman, I fought a war on two fronts. The first was against black folk whom I had no problems with. The second was against the racist Afrikaner, who seemed to hate the rooinekke, more than he hated the black folk. I was against what was going on and like many of my English brothers, I sabotaged the army as much as I could. I caused a lot of chaos.tgere were many Afrikaners who did not like the way that we as Englishmen were being treated, but they kept their mouths shut. I enjoyed many things that I was taught, just not the hate.
Hi Mark, I experienced things much the same as you did, but I tried to be a peacemaker where I could, which wasn’t made any easier by the Afrikaners despising us English-speakers as they did. However, the black folk (esp the entitled ones) nowadays don’t care for your white skin, regardless of whether you’re an Afrikaner or an English SAffa - prove me wrong!
Hogwash, sorry, I grew up in Eshowe during the 1970's, the English called the natives "savages".
@@gysgijsbers4202 I never said that the English where innocent. They were the first to use concentration camps against the Boers. There are many racist Englishmen around. I have many good Afrikaner friends and family, so I have no hate for the Afrikaans nation. It's just that certain group of people who although they hate black and brown people, I think that they hate themselves the most. Which of two groups do you belong in. Those who willingly did their draft, so they could unleash their racial hatred, or those who went into service with no hate in them.
@@MarkFindlay-o2m- excellent rebuttal!
To begin with, the following there has never been a communist siege. So the premises of a communist siege and the use of God in the context is not scientifically astute.
You miss the point completely … there certainly was a border-wide communist threat from Angola, SWA/Namibia (communistically-influenced ‘freedom fighters’), Rhodesia/Zimbabwe & Mozambique. The ‘God’ aspect was the Afrikaners, who thought they were God’s own chosen people, after the Israelites in the Bible. How old are you? I ask this, as younger generations are generally not well-informed, and make nebulous, uninformed statements, much like you have.
Ironically you were actually fighting the "communists" and now they rule South Africa. If there had been a political agreement after WWII the ANC wouldn't have been quite as communist... oh well.
What kind of political agreement after WW2 would have prevented the Communist ANC to rule? I think the SA leaders did what they thought was best for SA...and in many ways SA today is a much better place for all races, than what the rest of Africa is.
Hey Russel, you make a good point, but the ANC was always going the route of communism after Albert Kethuli was sidelined by the more communistically-minded in the ANC …
Hey Gys, you obviously have very little understanding that this was all orchestrated by the Freemason FW De Klerk on the instructions of the Stellenbosch Cabal and their accomplices, ultimately controlled by Anglo-American puppet masters … I will touch on that in this channel at a later stage …
@@Riski_Business Did SA not have a serious Communist threat from the 1950's - late 1980's? Was it just imagined? Were we whites (& some conservative Coloureds & Indians) simply all fooled that we could have a Robert Mugabe-type as Predident/Prime Minister if given over to Democracy & that the USSR had their eye on our resources? Just imagined, not real?
@@Riski_Business Or the fact that the Oppenheimers financed the ANC for over 80 years without a peep in the media. Guess who still owns the mines to this day?