@@theTechNotice 16:54 About this part , jay was about to say that since he has so many ssd's in the motherboard, the pcie lanes in the 13900k is stretching to its limits and basically forced the rtx 4090 to run at x8 instead of x16 if one ssd were to go , meaning removed from the motherboard , it would running in x16 again ❤️👍 i don't believe that he has it on the wrong slot 🤔🤷♂️
@@theTechNotice This is a pointless argument. Even though the gpu is only operating at pcie 4.0 x8, it's still running at the same speeds as pcie 3.0 x16 slots. Which we all know, or should know, will NOT impact the performance of the 4090. The 4090 can't saturate the full buss of the pcie 3.0 x16. So regardless of where you put the M.2, it's not impacting the performance of the PC at all. Also, yes Jay is beating his head against the wall for getting the M.2's with heatsinks. Although this PC didn't cost him a dime out of pocket.
Since Micro Center sponsored the video, Jay was probably limited to what was available at the store. If you can't wait for parts and have to get everything at the same time, you have to make compromises.
@@dhiram4341 You don't need anyone's permission to do reaction videos on TH-cam. It's not unusual for a small channel to critique a big channel. Jay have made many critique-worthy mistakes over the years.
@Dhir Am If you follow @jayztwocents. You know there's a very good chance that he will probably do a response video, and that he supports upcoming channels. I know I have seen @linustechtips do response videos to a couple of critique videos from smaller channels, and he even showed up at one creators house to fix the PC he was having a problem with. So, it's fine. They all take it in stride, or they don't last long on this platform... LOL
The hypocrisy of this video critiquing another persons build when this guy does outrageously expensive nonsense builds and the. Read some of the sheeple go along with some of the hate is hilarious
Ok, I am a fan of Jay's channel but also an IT Pro who has been building PCs for 25 years. I remembered watching this video and was shocked at the mistakes that were made. ESPECIALLY the PCIe lane mistake. I watch all of you guys not to learn but to see all the new tech that I obviously can't just go out and buy (I do buy a lot, though, lol). I am surprised that it made it off the cutting room floor. Many people who do not know how to build a PC on a high level watch him, and it is spreading bad practices. Really surprised he uploaded it, and I can see why you did this video. Again, I am a fan of his channel, but with this one, I was like, WTF?
Learning what not to do is often the best way to learn what to do! This was a very informative video. I feel like I would have made some of those mistakes too. Now we just need someone to critique this video, so we know if you're making any mistakes ;)
I've watched a lot of both Tech Notice and Jayz videos putting together my latest (and hopefully last) build. Just placed my orders yesterday. I've learned a lot from both and what a hoot to see this cross-channel video show up the next day! Looking at a build primarily for fairly light level content creation, I've largely gone with the components of $1500 build video with a bump up to the 13600k, 3060ti, and a 750w PSU. I did spend an hour looking for the video where Jay made one comment about an air cooler he's used in bunches of builds... never found it... and then realized I'd wasted an hour trying to find something that was one of the least important factors, since the Peerless Assasin 120 would surely do everything I'd ever need. Especially at my light work loads. But you know.... there are a lot of rabbit holes one can go down looking at putting together a build. I'm grateful for both of you and your channels. I've learned a lot and certainly was able to make much better informed choices due to them. Though admittedly, having nearly zero interest in gaming, Tech Notice is my go to. I'm so grateful you're here with a focus on content creators' decisions.
@@sethblvck I was asking him because im thinking of same combo with 13600k and 3060 ti . I don't live in US . Will be a Gigabyte b760 gaming x ax ddr5 enough for that CPU ?
I just bought the peerless assassin 120 for a friend after seeing it reviewed on Gamers Nexus. Between GN, PC Builder, and Tech Notice, there's some excellent information for building and upgrading PCs for different use case scenarios and budgets.
My gpu runs at X8 anyways - but I am glad it does as it frees up valuable Cpu lanes . Plus the chipset gives even more lanes - but what most people don't know is - when they use these extra lanes - they lose other items ... sata ports , pcie slots and sometimes ... whole nvme slots . Also sometimes the nvme slots will run at X2 instead of X4 . It is good to fully research your motherboard purchase before you commit - as you might be disappointed later and not have quite the machine that you originally planned on .
If you limit the CPU to Intel recommended voltage (so, stop the mobo from goosing it to 300+ watts) are you really leaving performance behind? ISTM those power spikes are short lived, add a lot to heat and do little for real world performance. If you watch videos of people under-volting their CPU they lose very little in performance and gain a lot in heat savings making air cooling very workable. IIRC I saw a video where someone did as above and lost six seconds on a 10 minute render. No one will notice that but the system ran much, much cooler.
I want to do music production andvideo editing at 1080p .....should I go for mac mini m2 base variant or build a pc with same amount...i am a student and on tight budget
I would be curios to see if Jay responds. Thanks for responding in a professional manner to his build, and pointing out where he was on target, and the couple of times he missed the mark.
I love your videos, and Jay's❤ I agree with you that Jay made some so,so choices for his edit rig. It was also a sponsored build. The mainbord, your choice is better. SSD'S, your choice is better. Ram is ok. But cooling is not good, I agree fully with you. But at the end of Jay's video he questions his choice for a air-cooler. He might swap it for a Aio- cooler 🤔 It was entertaining, but your videos when it comes to work-pc's are better 👍😉 So keep those videos coming 👍👌👋
I stopped watching Jays channel years ago. He seems like a nice guy but everything he does is haphazard, half-baked and often just plain wrong. Also, the way he troubleshoots issues is untenable for the average user. He just goes and grabs new parts and swaps them out without really diagnosing what the actual issue was.
I watched Jay2Cents video yesterday, been subbed to him for a good while (same with you! ✌🏽😉) and I'm watching yours with intent. Being you're holding the Editing Rig crown I tend to run with your channel. I saw Jay at CES a couple years ago but I didn't go up to him and say something. I can only imagine how many people go up to you guys at the big shows and I don't want to be that guy. 🖖🏽 I appreciate how you done this and I also cringed at the HD capacity. OS and Scratch was okay but unless they're sending it straight to a mass storage NAS/Server I don't understand having that small of a finished product drive. EDIT: I'm on a small budget and have a Crucial MX500 that's 4TB that I use for a project drive. Yeah it's not as "fast" as a M.2 NVMe but i's faster than a spinning drive. Once everything is Final I offload to the NAS anyway.
Agreed on the 7/10. I watch a lot of J2C/listen to rtfm. I also watch your videos too as someone who uses PPro your specific insights always help my use cases. I saw Jay's video first and honestly I thought it was an okay video but somewhat poor at times too. They might have other things going on that day and this was a thrown together mess maybe. But nonetheless yesssss, there were a few ways he, Phil, and/or Nic could have proactively headed off a few issues before they came up. Also - as a side note, and as someone who visited Microcenter twice this week. I go in there and I sometimes find myself getting 'lost in the possibilities', thinking of friends I should text to see if they need anything. Its just a pc hardware nerd paradise and it can cloud your buying process really quick.
I'm pretty sure they didn't even enabled the iGPU... and they're shooting on an FX6. My pc is very similar to theirs and I did notice huge gains when enabling quickSync for my FX3
Good vid as always. Still i would go even more different. Lets say he really wants to go with air (like me with my i9 13900), then i advise go with Deepcool AK620 great temps, termal grizzly and FOR HELLS SAKE go with damn full tower , buy phanteks enthoo pro or lian li big friggin box with few arctic 140mm black fans without gey rgb and poof you good to go. About ssd, great adviice for you to him, why first damn slot...lolz Second you buy 4090 and cheap out on 4tb ssd... lolz x2. System 2tb, workplace 4tb, i use also hdd as storage , using currently 6x hdd 6tb ea and 4x external 10b ea. Storage these days is cheap. Also power supply, saw there corsair i think, check seasonic or fsp fortron hydro... great vid and advices, thats why i love your channel
Yeah it never ceases to amaze me how people are still going with these goofy looking / case air flow preventing/ sub-par performing Air-coolers when building a high-end PC.. You're already spending like a minimum of $2500.00 + so opting for an Air-cooler for like $50.00 bucks less vs. going with a decent 360mm AIO (good one's like the DEEPCool LT720 go far just ~ $140 USD) is just an asinine thing to witness. Every time I see one of those goofy looking air coolers in a high end build I just shake my head in disappointment. Do these people not understand that the probability of a decent 360mm AIO failing is virtually ZERO as long as you aren't dumber than a box of rocks with the install?? I think some people are just hyper-paranoid for no good reason and think they're "playing it safe" by sacrificing performance / aesthetics because "no water"… I've personally been running AIO's for years with ZERO issues whatsoever. But whatever.. If having an EYESORE in your PC case makes you feel "safer" knock yourself out I guess.. Anyways as far as RAM is concerned the amount that is "optimal" will obviously be hugely dependent on what YOU are using your system for. However, I think for the vast majority 32GB of DDR5 is MORE than enough for both gaming (really 16GB is enough here) and production stuff. So it's better to NOT use the PCIe 5.0 "M.2 slots" if you are installing PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSDS? (I'm using (2) 2 TB WD_Black SN850X M.2 SSD's for reference) My Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F has (2) PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots and (2) PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots so looks like I should keep those (2) PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots open until PCIe 5.0 M.2's become available. Otherwise my RTX 4090 will suffer performance wise? I'll just use the PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots regardless as using the PCIe 5.0 M.2. slots wont offer a performance benefit with PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD's regardless so it's no real loss anyway. Also, I opted for a proper 360mm AIO as apposed to an EYESORE / Air-cooler so no issues with having to uninstall the thing just to get access to the M.2. slots whenever PCIe 5.0 capable M.2 SSD's become available.
Hey Man! I purchased the I9-13900k + ProArt Z790 Board just like you. I also purchase 128gb of 6000mhz DDR5 sticks. As long as I don't run the 6000mhz I can use them correctly? They were very expensive and I bought the 2 sets for a deal of around $600. I'm hoping I won't have to return for say 5600mhz DDR5. Also, wondering if there is anything special I need to do in order to get the most potential out of the 13900K within Bios? Coming from AMD 5800x3d... Amazing vids.
Ayone can response, to my query here. I like to use the i5-14500 and can anyone advise me for Content creation purposes for my New PC what is the most cost effective Graphic card I should use it with? I am thinking of using RTX 3060, and not higher, e.g. RTX 4070 cos I use Content Creation software(mainly lightroom and occasionally video editing s/w) and second hand 3060 is very cost effective. ANd I don't play games.
The machine I just built I'm going to use for music production, blender and video editing. I decided to delay getting a gpu right now especially since I'll be using it for music production more than anything, so I also didn't mess around with what I did get. 13700k with an aorus z690 ultra 1.x ddr5 motherboard (doesnt have thunderbolt 4 but has headers to add Thunderbolt cards in), contact frame, Deepcool Assassin IV, 48gb ddr5 6400 CL30 (xmp for now but if I don't upgrade to 128gb later I will run 96gb at stock settings later. 1tb crucial gen4x4 m.2 (which I didn't put in the first spot so that when I do get a gpu I wont be hampering the gpu at all. Also I'll get more storage soon enough.) then I got the Lian Li lancool 216. I ran it for around an hour, then did both multi-core and single-core cinebench testing and got zero thermal throttling on either test.
Workstations… Threadripper pro and 256gb of ecc memory. All the pci lanes for cards and drives running at full capacity. No nonsense about sharing bandwidth. Most importantly is the stability.
I'm not going to bother with a workstation unless I can get (4) PCI-E slots and (4) integrated TB4 ports. These underspec'd and over-priced motherboards along with 2022's GPU P&A made me pick a Mac Studio over building my umpteenth video editing PC.
Hi Sir, the ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi does has the same switching "problem" between the first M2 slot and the graphic card pcie 16x slot? The manual is not so clear about that.
Isn't running a 4090 at PCIE x8 gonna bottle neck it? PCIE 4.0 x8 is equal to PCIE 3.0 x16. Considering that 2080 Ti was maxing out PCIE x8 in gen 3, the 4090 being over twice as fast would run into bottlenecks wouldn't it?
Yeah right they just needed u to tell them and explain them where they wrong. U as a one experienced PC builder😂😂....ohhh man.... Well....if u read or even watch video tell me did Jay said that he will make best of best for that purpose? Nope. Did he said that PC will only been used for editing? Nope. And as we all know but seems u don't know Phill is also a gamer so....u know what want to tell....think no need for explonation. And Microcenter game him exact amount how many they can spend for that PC but let's forget bout that. Let's continue....so u think in ur combo he would get Edit machine that will finish job for 2-3 5 mins before that one they choose? Well....nope. So I guess u think they will use 5-10 usbs or thunderbolt all time? Well...nope....and yeahh so u think Phill can get same FPS on ur edit ring and that they choose when he play game? Well...again noooo. And most important thing is " Do u think u opened their eyes and they never hear for motherboards that are mostly used for editors or content creators or let's say workstations so they need u to learn them and tell them"? Well idk what to say except one more time big "NOOOOO". But I know for sure one thing and that is that u think u will get followers if u do that funny video where u act as a smart learning one script and then shoving how u are "smart"....but again idk what time I said this "NOOOO". Ppl don't like guys like u that go against their colegues and acting smart on video. My guess is that u didn't have any theme and u didn't know what to do and watched YT to get inspiration and even then u didn't know what to make and then u said let's throw a axe to a friend. And one more thing, in ur video about Air cooling u said u get over 38500+ points on Water cooled 13900k??? So I was watched LTT and GN and didn't see any even close result and we know who are they right. And u said it's on stock, so u was lie all of ur followers coz it's impossible to get that result on stock and with some middle end water cooler. So I strongly recommend u that u go watch Linus video and how they overclock 13900k and with what they cooled it and watch cooling on direct die from same creator and go watch GN (Steve) so u can see that it's not possible.I know u can put on screen 8000000 points but ppl are not idiots u know. And in that ur video for best Air cooler (Noctua NH15) u get low results or as I said u was needed to do tests again??? Man....u have some serious problems man....possible is that u don't know how to do ur job correctly or u just payed from competitors to throw a axe on them so AK400 better cooled than Noctua.... Idk what to tell u anymore man, honestly u dissapointed alit of ppl and now we know why u have that amount of subscribers. So I recommend u that u go watch some LTT and GN and early Jayz2cents videos and u can learn alot from them, belive me. That way u do ur job it's not propper way and ull only lose ur subs. It's strange that u didn't told them they could buy Threadeipper for that job😂😂😂....I guess Jay never hear for that😂😂😂😂 so he only wait for u to tell him. Ohhhh man....u are one complete joke, now I know. Peace
Ummmm, i believe you are actually wrong, about mistake #4. Someone, please correct me if im wrong, but it looks like the 2nd m.2 down from the cpu, is the one that shares the pci express lane, with the gpu slot. The FIRST m.2 is directly connected to the cpu. It seems like maybe you read the block diagram wrong....i urge you guys, to go to 12:00 exactly in the video, and tell me if im wrong. Edit: Also, you come across, kind of pretentious here. How're you gonna act like you havent gone through his whole video, and dissected it, just so can patronize him to try and make yourself look so much better. Even with you being able to dissect his entire video, you manage to read the block diagram wrong. And i JUST watched one of your videos (that lead me here) and part of that video was you explaining how to read a block diagram. Like wth dude, come on. Yes, Jay may have made some mistakes, but you really didnt have to put him down like that. Anddd, about the whole, m.2 thing where he got a bunch of em with heat sinks on them. You know hes sponsored by microcenter right? How do you know they didnt just have a shitload of those m.2's with the heat sinks, because no one was buying them, so they decided to give em to Jay? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmn? Breh
Before buying the components for a new build, I always spec out all of the hardware, I download the motherboard manual and always check out the NVMe and PCIe slot configuration and any PCIe Lane sharing. I use this information to determine how I am going to configure all of the hardware, and also to finalize my hardware decisions, which might include a processor change or motherboard change. I try to never share PCIe Lanes unless I have no choice, but I tend to buy high-end systems with processors that have more lanes (i7-6950X with 40 Lanes, W7-2495X with 64 Lanes, etc). I also make sure that the GPU slot runs at x16. I always buy Noctua air coolers now, after having a $6000 water cooled system leak and corrode, I don't care if you can get 3 degrees cooler on water, it's not worth my sanity, or the repair bill. Before buying I also watch as many TH-cam videos as I can on the hardware, so that I can catch any issues in my setup choices. My most recent system purchase is an Intel Xeon W7-2495X 24-Core 48-Thread, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE (I chose this over the Asrock W790 due to the bad PCIe slot layout on the Asrock), 512GB (8x64GB) of Kingston DDR5-4800 RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 24GB (I already had this), Noctua NH-U14S cooler, WD Black 2TB NVMe, WD Black 4TB NVMe, backup hard drives, Corsair 5000D Airflow case, Corsair HX-1200 psu, Ducky keyboard, Microsoft mouse, Dell 34-inch wide display, Mackie speakers.
1)The nvme placement will have 0 or close to 0% difference. 2)This is battle Asus vs Gigabyte sponsoring. It s a motherboard! he chose that MB how bad can it be? 3)AIO? Not really.
Occasionally, I'll watch a J2C video to see what "tech" he's pushing; his content is riddled with assumptions and inaccuracies. He typically buys high-end, slaps it together, and claims it's the "best" at whatever, with little thought or research into balance and efficiency. LTT is in that same vein.
Could always do raid 0 2x2. So 4tb total. But for jay specifically? We all know he’d go with a 2 4tb in raid 0. That would be great for crazy fast storage. And then back it up to a cheaper 8tb ssd and off site..
17:14 You've spoiled me on this darn ASUS ProArt. I'm building my second ever personal/work PC and I just cannot shake wanting a ProArt. I'm paring it with a 13600k and a Noctua U12A. I've considered shaving off 50% of my motherboard cost with one of your other recommendations but I keep coming back to "why bother? Get it now, max it out with bits later when necessary." xD
While I was watching this video I was updating my bios and somehow my cpu will no longer run dual channel 2r memory at expo. So that’s nice, thanks Gigabyte!
How do we cool a i9 13900k? What's the best way to cool a 13gen cpu. Custom water cool? Aio cooler? Air cooler? What's the best way to cool this beast?
You are promoting asus jake is not. That is obvious. All my creator laptops are Asus and in my most pcs I have ASUS parts but especially with laptops I had many problems. 2 times they replaced my laptops with other models.
Hi any recommendation for video editing PC. Am in the process of buying a Sony a7siii for the video camera. I want the PC to be able to handle the video editing in 4k for instance
it takes several days even after you "update" everything for the system to stop loading more updates in the background. It's like baking a cake. The top looks done but the center is still squishy...
Hi, I'm currently building a creator PC using the ASUS ProArt Z790 and I'm contemplating installing 3 1TB M.2 drives in a RAID 0 config to maximize speed. Does anyone have experience doing that or have any suggestions? Thanks!
you re almost like the new kid on the block trying to teach the old guy some tricks lol, Jay might reply telling you to pull up your pants as he started over 10y ago, about 7 y before you started talking about computers lol. you had some good points there tho
9:40 You reference your video which included 2 obviously incorrect Be Quiet coolers, and excluded the Be Quiet Pro Rock 4 which was always their obvious choice and is the cooler that Jay chose.
I wish I did not watch that video in the first place, so many botched decisions. That cooler for that cpu is just cringe, the whole ssd segment is one facepalm after another
Thanks for the reaction and clarifications! I just don't get why they needed to buy a whole new system when he could have upgraded the ram on his TR system from a measly 64GB to 256GB, if that was really the issue? And he could have had all the PCIe lanes, too.
@@-opus I get it, like, it would not make an interesting video for a vast majority of people to try to squeeze some life out of a HEDT by going maxed out ram. Besides, you could always downscale/proxy your footage to edit with and render out your final edited piece using the original footage. It's a bad message to send to PC builders who get into the craft with the expectation that you can always upgrade and expand; ie you don't always have to buy the latest and greatest to achieve acceptable results. I would really like to see the old system vs the new system performance with some Pugetbench scores and render times.
@@theTechNotice True; I would like to see a comparison between old and new. I would have thought Intel over TR for the iGPU, if that makes a difference in timeline scrubbing with high bitrate footage. Thanks for the reply, keep up the great work! 💪
@@-opus You do realize that Microcenter sponsored that video, right? Sure Jay makes money on the views, but MC paid for that computer. That video was as much for MC as it was JTC...
I just want to quickly say this channel has been a godsend for me I’m currently in the process of building my first PC for gaming and I want to dabble into video editing and streaming this channel has helped me out so much
This is actually really brillant, sir. Seeing mistakes and what NOT to do is just as important as learning/seeing the perfect PC being built again and again. Loved this!
Just learned something new....reading the block diagram. I have the Gigabyte Aero G X570S and it so happens that the first M.2 slot does not have a switch, so I would get full PCIe Gen 4 speeds while keeping x16 on the GPU...but now I know for my next build to watch out for that! Cool piece of information that usually goes unnoticed.
I'm not sure when this video was recorded but I got a 192GB kit from Corsair (not 2 kits of 2x48, a single 4x48 kit). And it works with XMP - 5200Mhz CL38. Not fast ofc but I'm happy using it for After Effects.
I don't understand. Why on earth would anyone try to aircool a 13900? Because it is possible? Do your math, folks, AIO is not as expensive, so how much of the overall cost will you spend on cooling? I would rather run a 13700 than run an aircooled 13900 system.
This channel recently had a video showing quite a few air coolers as very close to the aio he used, for some reason he chose to include 2 lower end Be Quiet air coolers, instead of the one that Jay chose. Seems logical to use an aio on top tier cpu's even if some air coolers are 'good enough' though.
One of the reason's I watch Jay is because he points out his mistakes as he makes them. TechN gives a solid perspective, but honestly if you had the system Jay built you'd be more than satisfied lol.
It makes me want to double check my MB manual. I put an M.2 in first slot on an ASUS board for the OS. I also put a project M.2 with its own heat sink in the second slot (all I could find at the time) and left the MB heat sink out. All has been working well for 2 years but makes me wonder if it’s the optimal configuration. Good to see the experts wrestle with these issues too, and work it out.
So prior to 13th gen and possiibly 12th gen Intel cpu's. The M.2 slot issue wasn't a thing. All the motherboards were designed to either run 1 M.2 from the cpu and have a x16 gpu, or run all M.2 from the chipset. I know the x570 and Z590 boards did not have this issue. I don't know if the z690 require the same consideration as the z790's.
My understanding is that to run generation 5, you need both a gen 5 drive and a gen 5 slot. If you had a gen 5 drive in that slot, it would run Gen 5 x8 or roughly equivalent to Gen 4 x16. However, you don't have a gen 5 drive in that slot, you have a gen 4 drive running on 8 lanes, so it's gen 4 x8.
Usually I hate the drama around react videos but appreciate you kept it objective! And goodness sakes PCIe topologies just seem to be getting worse. I still don't understand this obsession with sacrificing PCIe expansion slots for onboard nvme.
LMAO at that text! Yes I am responding as I watch.
LOL!
@@theTechNotice 16:54 About this part , jay was about to say that since he has so many ssd's in the motherboard, the pcie lanes in the 13900k is stretching to its limits and basically forced the rtx 4090 to run at x8 instead of x16
if one ssd were to go , meaning removed from the motherboard , it would running in x16 again ❤️👍
i don't believe that he has it on the wrong slot 🤔🤷♂️
Yes he did, he was running 3 m.2s and he could've run even 4 just leave the first slot empty, check the motherboard block diagram :)
@@theTechNotice This is a pointless argument. Even though the gpu is only operating at pcie 4.0 x8, it's still running at the same speeds as pcie 3.0 x16 slots. Which we all know, or should know, will NOT impact the performance of the 4090. The 4090 can't saturate the full buss of the pcie 3.0 x16. So regardless of where you put the M.2, it's not impacting the performance of the PC at all.
Also, yes Jay is beating his head against the wall for getting the M.2's with heatsinks. Although this PC didn't cost him a dime out of pocket.
Since Micro Center sponsored the video, Jay was probably limited to what was available at the store. If you can't wait for parts and have to get everything at the same time, you have to make compromises.
Yeah very well possible...
@@dhiram4341 You don't need anyone's permission to do reaction videos on TH-cam. It's not unusual for a small channel to critique a big channel. Jay have made many critique-worthy mistakes over the years.
@@dhiram4341 Jay will be happy with it, it is more attention for him and also gives him an excuse to make a response video $$$
@Dhir Am Who even cares.
@Dhir Am If you follow @jayztwocents. You know there's a very good chance that he will probably do a response video, and that he supports upcoming channels. I know I have seen @linustechtips do response videos to a couple of critique videos from smaller channels, and he even showed up at one creators house to fix the PC he was having a problem with. So, it's fine. They all take it in stride, or they don't last long on this platform... LOL
I trust your judgement on this matter
The hypocrisy of this video critiquing another persons build when this guy does outrageously expensive nonsense builds and the. Read some of the sheeple go along with some of the hate is hilarious
Ok, I am a fan of Jay's channel but also an IT Pro who has been building PCs for 25 years. I remembered watching this video and was shocked at the mistakes that were made. ESPECIALLY the PCIe lane mistake. I watch all of you guys not to learn but to see all the new tech that I obviously can't just go out and buy (I do buy a lot, though, lol). I am surprised that it made it off the cutting room floor. Many people who do not know how to build a PC on a high level watch him, and it is spreading bad practices. Really surprised he uploaded it, and I can see why you did this video. Again, I am a fan of his channel, but with this one, I was like, WTF?
Learning what not to do is often the best way to learn what to do! This was a very informative video. I feel like I would have made some of those mistakes too. Now we just need someone to critique this video, so we know if you're making any mistakes ;)
Exactly!
lol that text!
I've watched a lot of both Tech Notice and Jayz videos putting together my latest (and hopefully last) build. Just placed my orders yesterday. I've learned a lot from both and what a hoot to see this cross-channel video show up the next day! Looking at a build primarily for fairly light level content creation, I've largely gone with the components of $1500 build video with a bump up to the 13600k, 3060ti, and a 750w PSU.
I did spend an hour looking for the video where Jay made one comment about an air cooler he's used in bunches of builds... never found it... and then realized I'd wasted an hour trying to find something that was one of the least important factors, since the Peerless Assasin 120 would surely do everything I'd ever need. Especially at my light work loads. But you know.... there are a lot of rabbit holes one can go down looking at putting together a build.
I'm grateful for both of you and your channels. I've learned a lot and certainly was able to make much better informed choices due to them. Though admittedly, having nearly zero interest in gaming, Tech Notice is my go to. I'm so grateful you're here with a focus on content creators' decisions.
What MB you go for ?
@@sethblvck I was asking him because im thinking of same combo with 13600k and 3060 ti . I don't live in US . Will be a Gigabyte b760 gaming x ax ddr5 enough for that CPU ?
I just bought the peerless assassin 120 for a friend after seeing it reviewed on Gamers Nexus. Between GN, PC Builder, and Tech Notice, there's some excellent information for building and upgrading PCs for different use case scenarios and budgets.
The fact that this guy is using Apple headphones instead of something a bit more audiophile is the biggest hypocrisy
My gpu runs at X8 anyways - but I am glad it does as it frees up valuable Cpu lanes . Plus the chipset gives even more lanes - but what most people don't know is - when they use these extra lanes - they lose other items ... sata ports , pcie slots and sometimes ... whole nvme slots . Also sometimes the nvme slots will run at X2 instead of X4 . It is good to fully research your motherboard purchase before you commit - as you might be disappointed later and not have quite the machine that you originally planned on .
7:57 why why why maybe they’re in Microcenter and its the only wd available at that time 👏👏👏
I wonder if Jay will react to your reaction video? We shall see! 😉
and then I'll react to that haha!
If you limit the CPU to Intel recommended voltage (so, stop the mobo from goosing it to 300+ watts) are you really leaving performance behind? ISTM those power spikes are short lived, add a lot to heat and do little for real world performance. If you watch videos of people under-volting their CPU they lose very little in performance and gain a lot in heat savings making air cooling very workable. IIRC I saw a video where someone did as above and lost six seconds on a 10 minute render. No one will notice that but the system ran much, much cooler.
I want to do music production andvideo editing at 1080p .....should I go for mac mini m2 base variant or build a pc with same amount...i am a student and on tight budget
Agree, I got the Dark Rock 4 on my 13700K.. Not really a good cooler..
I would be curios to see if Jay responds. Thanks for responding in a professional manner to his build, and pointing out where he was on target, and the couple of times he missed the mark.
A cross marketing opportunity? what youtuber can resist free marketing?
I love your videos, and Jay's❤
I agree with you that Jay made some so,so choices for his edit rig.
It was also a sponsored build.
The mainbord, your choice is better.
SSD'S, your choice is better.
Ram is ok.
But cooling is not good, I agree fully with you.
But at the end of Jay's video he questions his choice for a air-cooler.
He might swap it for a Aio- cooler 🤔
It was entertaining, but your videos when it comes to work-pc's are better 👍😉
So keep those videos coming 👍👌👋
This video is hilarious on so many levels! As a Pro PC builder, Jay should have known better or at least researched better.
I stopped watching Jays channel years ago. He seems like a nice guy but everything he does is haphazard, half-baked and often just plain wrong. Also, the way he troubleshoots issues is untenable for the average user. He just goes and grabs new parts and swaps them out without really diagnosing what the actual issue was.
Love the content, bro.. can you do a video about battery backup or surge protectors. What do you personally think about them..
Im watching you both - you both are ❤! JayzNoCents is sily and joking man 😊😂
I watched Jay2Cents video yesterday, been subbed to him for a good while (same with you! ✌🏽😉) and I'm watching yours with intent. Being you're holding the Editing Rig crown I tend to run with your channel. I saw Jay at CES a couple years ago but I didn't go up to him and say something. I can only imagine how many people go up to you guys at the big shows and I don't want to be that guy. 🖖🏽 I appreciate how you done this and I also cringed at the HD capacity. OS and Scratch was okay but unless they're sending it straight to a mass storage NAS/Server I don't understand having that small of a finished product drive. EDIT: I'm on a small budget and have a Crucial MX500 that's 4TB that I use for a project drive. Yeah it's not as "fast" as a M.2 NVMe but i's faster than a spinning drive. Once everything is Final I offload to the NAS anyway.
Agreed on the 7/10. I watch a lot of J2C/listen to rtfm. I also watch your videos too as someone who uses PPro your specific insights always help my use cases. I saw Jay's video first and honestly I thought it was an okay video but somewhat poor at times too. They might have other things going on that day and this was a thrown together mess maybe. But nonetheless yesssss, there were a few ways he, Phil, and/or Nic could have proactively headed off a few issues before they came up. Also - as a side note, and as someone who visited Microcenter twice this week. I go in there and I sometimes find myself getting 'lost in the possibilities', thinking of friends I should text to see if they need anything. Its just a pc hardware nerd paradise and it can cloud your buying process really quick.
There are times I'm grateful the nearest to me is 3 hours away.
Wait where’s your TH-cam channel to show off your production work
@@leocatz you're not the first person I've heard say that 🙂
@@user-jh1mq2ih2u I produced everything on this channel. What kind of question is that on said platform 😂
@@cazschiller explains some of the lackluster vids on here.
Why did I read this as “reacting to Jay-Zs (The rappers) editing PC” 🤦🏽♂️😂
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I felt it was a 6/10. Rookies mistakes.
not that bad :)
3:03 was PRICELESES 😂😂
I'm pretty sure they didn't even enabled the iGPU... and they're shooting on an FX6. My pc is very similar to theirs and I did notice huge gains when enabling quickSync for my FX3
yep!
how do I know if iGPU is enabled?... I ordered a 13900k 4090 prebuild from Corsair and I'd like to check when It arrives
@@luizsaha control+shift+sec on the desktop to open the task manager, in the performance tab there should be 2 GPUs listed
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 thanks so much!
Love this
Good vid as always. Still i would go even more different. Lets say he really wants to go with air (like me with my i9 13900), then i advise go with Deepcool AK620 great temps, termal grizzly and FOR HELLS SAKE go with damn full tower , buy phanteks enthoo pro or lian li big friggin box with few arctic 140mm black fans without gey rgb and poof you good to go. About ssd, great adviice for you to him, why first damn slot...lolz Second you buy 4090 and cheap out on 4tb ssd... lolz x2. System 2tb, workplace 4tb, i use also hdd as storage , using currently 6x hdd 6tb ea and 4x external 10b ea. Storage these days is cheap. Also power supply, saw there corsair i think, check seasonic or fsp fortron hydro... great vid and advices, thats why i love your channel
Yeah it never ceases to amaze me how people are still going with these goofy looking / case air flow preventing/ sub-par performing Air-coolers when building a high-end PC.. You're already spending like a minimum of $2500.00 + so opting for an Air-cooler for like $50.00 bucks less vs. going with a decent 360mm AIO (good one's like the DEEPCool LT720 go far just ~ $140 USD) is just an asinine thing to witness. Every time I see one of those goofy looking air coolers in a high end build I just shake my head in disappointment.
Do these people not understand that the probability of a decent 360mm AIO failing is virtually ZERO as long as you aren't dumber than a box of rocks with the install?? I think some people are just hyper-paranoid for no good reason and think they're "playing it safe" by sacrificing performance / aesthetics because "no water"… I've personally been running AIO's for years with ZERO issues whatsoever. But whatever.. If having an EYESORE in your PC case makes you feel "safer" knock yourself out I guess..
Anyways as far as RAM is concerned the amount that is "optimal" will obviously be hugely dependent on what YOU are using your system for. However, I think for the vast majority 32GB of DDR5 is MORE than enough for both gaming (really 16GB is enough here) and production stuff.
So it's better to NOT use the PCIe 5.0 "M.2 slots" if you are installing PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSDS? (I'm using (2) 2 TB WD_Black SN850X M.2 SSD's for reference) My Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F has (2) PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots and (2) PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots so looks like I should keep those (2) PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots open until PCIe 5.0 M.2's become available. Otherwise my RTX 4090 will suffer performance wise? I'll just use the PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots regardless as using the PCIe 5.0 M.2. slots wont offer a performance benefit with PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD's regardless so it's no real loss anyway. Also, I opted for a proper 360mm AIO as apposed to an EYESORE / Air-cooler so no issues with having to uninstall the thing just to get access to the M.2. slots whenever PCIe 5.0 capable M.2 SSD's become available.
Hey Man! I purchased the I9-13900k + ProArt Z790 Board just like you. I also purchase 128gb of 6000mhz DDR5 sticks. As long as I don't run the 6000mhz I can use them correctly? They were very expensive and I bought the 2 sets for a deal of around $600. I'm hoping I won't have to return for say 5600mhz DDR5. Also, wondering if there is anything special I need to do in order to get the most potential out of the 13900K within Bios? Coming from AMD 5800x3d... Amazing vids.
Ayone can response, to my query here. I like to use the i5-14500 and can anyone advise me for Content creation purposes for my New PC what is the most cost effective Graphic card I should use it with?
I am thinking of using RTX 3060, and not higher, e.g. RTX 4070 cos I use Content Creation software(mainly lightroom and occasionally video editing s/w) and second hand 3060 is very cost effective. ANd I don't play games.
The machine I just built I'm going to use for music production, blender and video editing. I decided to delay getting a gpu right now especially since I'll be using it for music production more than anything, so I also didn't mess around with what I did get. 13700k with an aorus z690 ultra 1.x ddr5 motherboard (doesnt have thunderbolt 4 but has headers to add Thunderbolt cards in), contact frame, Deepcool Assassin IV, 48gb ddr5 6400 CL30 (xmp for now but if I don't upgrade to 128gb later I will run 96gb at stock settings later. 1tb crucial gen4x4 m.2 (which I didn't put in the first spot so that when I do get a gpu I wont be hampering the gpu at all. Also I'll get more storage soon enough.) then I got the Lian Li lancool 216. I ran it for around an hour, then did both multi-core and single-core cinebench testing and got zero thermal throttling on either test.
Workstations…
Threadripper pro and 256gb of ecc memory.
All the pci lanes for cards and drives running at full capacity.
No nonsense about sharing bandwidth. Most importantly is the stability.
I'm not going to bother with a workstation unless I can get (4) PCI-E slots and (4) integrated TB4 ports. These underspec'd and over-priced motherboards along with 2022's GPU P&A made me pick a Mac Studio over building my umpteenth video editing PC.
Hi Sir, the ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi does has the same switching "problem" between the first M2 slot and the graphic card pcie 16x slot? The manual is not so clear about that.
Jayz2c gonna send the boys round...
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Isn't running a 4090 at PCIE x8 gonna bottle neck it? PCIE 4.0 x8 is equal to PCIE 3.0 x16. Considering that 2080 Ti was maxing out PCIE x8 in gen 3, the 4090 being over twice as fast would run into bottlenecks wouldn't it?
Yeah right they just needed u to tell them and explain them where they wrong. U as a one experienced PC builder😂😂....ohhh man.... Well....if u read or even watch video tell me did Jay said that he will make best of best for that purpose? Nope. Did he said that PC will only been used for editing? Nope. And as we all know but seems u don't know Phill is also a gamer so....u know what want to tell....think no need for explonation. And Microcenter game him exact amount how many they can spend for that PC but let's forget bout that. Let's continue....so u think in ur combo he would get Edit machine that will finish job for 2-3 5 mins before that one they choose? Well....nope. So I guess u think they will use 5-10 usbs or thunderbolt all time? Well...nope....and yeahh so u think Phill can get same FPS on ur edit ring and that they choose when he play game? Well...again noooo. And most important thing is " Do u think u opened their eyes and they never hear for motherboards that are mostly used for editors or content creators or let's say workstations so they need u to learn them and tell them"? Well idk what to say except one more time big "NOOOOO". But I know for sure one thing and that is that u think u will get followers if u do that funny video where u act as a smart learning one script and then shoving how u are "smart"....but again idk what time I said this "NOOOO". Ppl don't like guys like u that go against their colegues and acting smart on video. My guess is that u didn't have any theme and u didn't know what to do and watched YT to get inspiration and even then u didn't know what to make and then u said let's throw a axe to a friend. And one more thing, in ur video about Air cooling u said u get over 38500+ points on Water cooled 13900k??? So I was watched LTT and GN and didn't see any even close result and we know who are they right. And u said it's on stock, so u was lie all of ur followers coz it's impossible to get that result on stock and with some middle end water cooler. So I strongly recommend u that u go watch Linus video and how they overclock 13900k and with what they cooled it and watch cooling on direct die from same creator and go watch GN (Steve) so u can see that it's not possible.I know u can put on screen 8000000 points but ppl are not idiots u know. And in that ur video for best Air cooler (Noctua NH15) u get low results or as I said u was needed to do tests again??? Man....u have some serious problems man....possible is that u don't know how to do ur job correctly or u just payed from competitors to throw a axe on them so AK400 better cooled than Noctua.... Idk what to tell u anymore man, honestly u dissapointed alit of ppl and now we know why u have that amount of subscribers. So I recommend u that u go watch some LTT and GN and early Jayz2cents videos and u can learn alot from them, belive me. That way u do ur job it's not propper way and ull only lose ur subs. It's strange that u didn't told them they could buy Threadeipper for that job😂😂😂....I guess Jay never hear for that😂😂😂😂 so he only wait for u to tell him. Ohhhh man....u are one complete joke, now I know. Peace
Ummmm, i believe you are actually wrong, about mistake #4. Someone, please correct me if im wrong, but it looks like the 2nd m.2 down from the cpu, is the one that shares the pci express lane, with the gpu slot. The FIRST m.2 is directly connected to the cpu. It seems like maybe you read the block diagram wrong....i urge you guys, to go to 12:00 exactly in the video, and tell me if im wrong.
Edit: Also, you come across, kind of pretentious here. How're you gonna act like you havent gone through his whole video, and dissected it, just so can patronize him to try and make yourself look so much better.
Even with you being able to dissect his entire video, you manage to read the block diagram wrong. And i JUST watched one of your videos (that lead me here) and part of that video was you explaining how to read a block diagram. Like wth dude, come on.
Yes, Jay may have made some mistakes, but you really didnt have to put him down like that.
Anddd, about the whole, m.2 thing where he got a bunch of em with heat sinks on them. You know hes sponsored by microcenter right? How do you know they didnt just have a shitload of those m.2's with the heat sinks, because no one was buying them, so they decided to give em to Jay? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmn?
Breh
Before buying the components for a new build, I always spec out all of the hardware, I download the motherboard manual and always check out the NVMe and PCIe slot configuration and any PCIe Lane sharing. I use this information to determine how I am going to configure all of the hardware, and also to finalize my hardware decisions, which might include a processor change or motherboard change. I try to never share PCIe Lanes unless I have no choice, but I tend to buy high-end systems with processors that have more lanes (i7-6950X with 40 Lanes, W7-2495X with 64 Lanes, etc). I also make sure that the GPU slot runs at x16. I always buy Noctua air coolers now, after having a $6000 water cooled system leak and corrode, I don't care if you can get 3 degrees cooler on water, it's not worth my sanity, or the repair bill. Before buying I also watch as many TH-cam videos as I can on the hardware, so that I can catch any issues in my setup choices.
My most recent system purchase is an Intel Xeon W7-2495X 24-Core 48-Thread, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE (I chose this over the Asrock W790 due to the bad PCIe slot layout on the Asrock), 512GB (8x64GB) of Kingston DDR5-4800 RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 24GB (I already had this), Noctua NH-U14S cooler, WD Black 2TB NVMe, WD Black 4TB NVMe, backup hard drives, Corsair 5000D Airflow case, Corsair HX-1200 psu, Ducky keyboard, Microsoft mouse, Dell 34-inch wide display, Mackie speakers.
Z690 with 13900K are you mad???? DDR5 wont go above 6800 on 6XX boards, even if you have 8000mhz sticks
1)The nvme placement will have 0 or close to 0% difference. 2)This is battle Asus vs Gigabyte sponsoring. It s a motherboard! he chose that MB how bad can it be? 3)AIO? Not really.
This was my favorite Tech Notice video EVER 🎉
This is my favourite comment ever! haha
Occasionally, I'll watch a J2C video to see what "tech" he's pushing; his content is riddled with assumptions and inaccuracies. He typically buys high-end, slaps it together, and claims it's the "best" at whatever, with little thought or research into balance and efficiency.
LTT is in that same vein.
Could always do raid 0 2x2. So 4tb total. But for jay specifically? We all know he’d go with a 2 4tb in raid 0. That would be great for crazy fast storage. And then back it up to a cheaper 8tb ssd and off site..
17:14 You've spoiled me on this darn ASUS ProArt.
I'm building my second ever personal/work PC and I just cannot shake wanting a ProArt. I'm paring it with a 13600k and a Noctua U12A. I've considered shaving off 50% of my motherboard cost with one of your other recommendations but I keep coming back to "why bother? Get it now, max it out with bits later when necessary." xD
While I was watching this video I was updating my bios and somehow my cpu will no longer run dual channel 2r memory at expo. So that’s nice, thanks Gigabyte!
How do we cool a i9 13900k? What's the best way to cool a 13gen cpu. Custom water cool? Aio cooler? Air cooler? What's the best way to cool this beast?
You are promoting asus jake is not. That is obvious. All my creator laptops are Asus and in my most pcs I have ASUS parts but especially with laptops I had many problems. 2 times they replaced my laptops with other models.
If better thermal paste is better, use Honeywell PTM. In fact, that's what some OEMs use. Little industry secret in a way ;)
Hi any recommendation for video editing PC. Am in the process of buying a Sony a7siii for the video camera. I want the PC to be able to handle the video editing in 4k for instance
it takes several days even after you "update" everything for the system to stop loading more updates in the background. It's like baking a cake. The top looks done but the center is still squishy...
Is there any Super Quality motherboard that I can use all the M.2 slots without it affecting GPU bandwidth?
It only steals lanes IF it's a Gen 5 nvme drive. Also, isn't running PCIe 5 x8, the same as PCIe 4 x16, which the 4090 runs on?
Nope, it will steal lanes even if gen 4 and the gpu doesn't support gen 5 so it's running gen 4 x8.
I'm certainly no PC Master, but cooling a 13900 on air? As you say, a 360 AIO at minimum.
I don't like water cooler because it can be more of a hassle. Another thing is that spending 100w more for 5% performance is not worthy.
You definitely know your stuff as a creator and pc builder. We all can learn from one another. Thanks again for your effort and video.
I have to say, JayZ was a bit sloppy with this build. The choice of the cooler, the PCIe x8, the sag on the 4090, ...
Hi, I'm currently building a creator PC using the ASUS ProArt Z790 and I'm contemplating installing 3 1TB M.2 drives in a RAID 0 config to maximize speed. Does anyone have experience doing that or have any suggestions? Thanks!
Every video you upload, I learn something new. Keep it up, you were the help and reason, on how I got my first pc built. 💎
you re almost like the new kid on the block trying to teach the old guy some tricks lol, Jay might reply telling you to pull up your pants as he started over 10y ago, about 7 y before you started talking about computers lol. you had some good points there tho
9:40 You reference your video which included 2 obviously incorrect Be Quiet coolers, and excluded the Be Quiet Pro Rock 4 which was always their obvious choice and is the cooler that Jay chose.
Are you guys saying Jays video is the new "The Verge computer building video" ?
I wish I did not watch that video in the first place, so many botched decisions. That cooler for that cpu is just cringe, the whole ssd segment is one facepalm after another
So if you have an operating system SSD and a storage system SSD you just plug them through the chipset and that's ok?
i got that bracket for my 13900kf and it's not much of a difference, few degrees but nothing to write home about.
I don't care for videos like this. I've generally liked your content in the past, but don't wish to see stuff like this video.
When you have done as much as Jay, have the audience and the super busy schedule, you wil be fortuate to survive at all...
Thanks for the reaction and clarifications! I just don't get why they needed to buy a whole new system when he could have upgraded the ram on his TR system from a measly 64GB to 256GB, if that was really the issue? And he could have had all the PCIe lanes, too.
TR is not good in single core and THE 13900K is better than 3rd gen TR so I get it :)
That wouldn't get many views and would restrict marketing. Jayz only interest is $$$
@@-opus I get it, like, it would not make an interesting video for a vast majority of people to try to squeeze some life out of a HEDT by going maxed out ram. Besides, you could always downscale/proxy your footage to edit with and render out your final edited piece using the original footage.
It's a bad message to send to PC builders who get into the craft with the expectation that you can always upgrade and expand; ie you don't always have to buy the latest and greatest to achieve acceptable results. I would really like to see the old system vs the new system performance with some Pugetbench scores and render times.
@@theTechNotice True; I would like to see a comparison between old and new. I would have thought Intel over TR for the iGPU, if that makes a difference in timeline scrubbing with high bitrate footage. Thanks for the reply, keep up the great work! 💪
@@-opus You do realize that Microcenter sponsored that video, right? Sure Jay makes money on the views, but MC paid for that computer. That video was as much for MC as it was JTC...
I just want to quickly say this channel has been a godsend for me I’m currently in the process of building my first PC for gaming and I want to dabble into video editing and streaming this channel has helped me out so much
Wtf are you all trying to make, hollywood videos 😂😂😂😂
lol mistake number 2, these youtubers just spend for the sake of spending sometimes. it's stupid
this video is very annoying just let it play out stop fast forwarding and skipping over stuff let the video play out
Less talk about things you have not tested yourself and more FAFO please!
thats why i went with amd 1st slot pcie gen5 first gpu slot x16 gen4 second m.2 slot x4 gen 4 and soo on
This is actually really brillant, sir. Seeing mistakes and what NOT to do is just as important as learning/seeing the perfect PC being built again and again. Loved this!
IMO The thermal bracket and Arctic Freezer II 420mm was the best decision I've made for my rig.
If ram was I important why didn’t he go with that Corsair 192gb ddr5 kit
Thanks a lot ❤
You have clear out my doubts thanks for the important information
Just learned something new....reading the block diagram. I have the Gigabyte Aero G X570S and it so happens that the first M.2 slot does not have a switch, so I would get full PCIe Gen 4 speeds while keeping x16 on the GPU...but now I know for my next build to watch out for that! Cool piece of information that usually goes unnoticed.
Glad it helped
Funnily enough my name is similar the title of the video. :) Bet you Jay is pissed.
the new ram kits are not stable people are complaining about those kits blue screening and non posting so people plz be aware
No one who enjoys overclocking uses that one button overclock garbage
Glad im not alone in returning that be quit cooler, i found out it was not a good performer and went back to nocua!
I'm not sure when this video was recorded but I got a 192GB kit from Corsair (not 2 kits of 2x48, a single 4x48 kit). And it works with XMP - 5200Mhz CL38. Not fast ofc but I'm happy using it for After Effects.
Sweet!
Would this 4x48 GB RAM kit work in a Z790 Proart board? Or something else needed?
I don't understand. Why on earth would anyone try to aircool a 13900? Because it is possible? Do your math, folks, AIO is not as expensive, so how much of the overall cost will you spend on cooling? I would rather run a 13700 than run an aircooled 13900 system.
This channel recently had a video showing quite a few air coolers as very close to the aio he used, for some reason he chose to include 2 lower end Be Quiet air coolers, instead of the one that Jay chose. Seems logical to use an aio on top tier cpu's even if some air coolers are 'good enough' though.
lol i just run 32 GB ddr5 6000mhz, i just play
Lmao my Asus manual doesn't have block diagram
Piss poor design to make the m.2 closest to the cpu kneecap your main gpu pcie
One of the reason's I watch Jay is because he points out his mistakes as he makes them. TechN gives a solid perspective, but honestly if you had the system Jay built you'd be more than satisfied lol.
What is the purpose of the top NVME slot? Why the massive heat sink? 🤔
Stop promoting software piracy with whokeys.
Ooh oooowwww. This is going to be interesting hahaha im writing as im watching...hahahaha
It makes me want to double check my MB manual. I put an M.2 in first slot on an ASUS board for the OS. I also put a project M.2 with its own heat sink in the second slot (all I could find at the time) and left the MB heat sink out. All has been working well for 2 years but makes me wonder if it’s the optimal configuration. Good to see the experts wrestle with these issues too, and work it out.
I did the same (I was too lazy to check the manual), but as you said, everything is working great, so why change it?
He's only saying to not use the 1st nvme slot because it'll drop the GPU slot speed and be a pain to get out etc
So prior to 13th gen and possiibly 12th gen Intel cpu's. The M.2 slot issue wasn't a thing. All the motherboards were designed to either run 1 M.2 from the cpu and have a x16 gpu, or run all M.2 from the chipset. I know the x570 and Z590 boards did not have this issue. I don't know if the z690 require the same consideration as the z790's.
Nothing wrong with the DRP4 man. Weird take.
That top slot is gen 5. If you run Gen 5 in x8, it's the same as Gen 4 x16. It makes no difference until Gen 5 GPUs come out.
My understanding is that to run generation 5, you need both a gen 5 drive and a gen 5 slot. If you had a gen 5 drive in that slot, it would run Gen 5 x8 or roughly equivalent to Gen 4 x16. However, you don't have a gen 5 drive in that slot, you have a gen 4 drive running on 8 lanes, so it's gen 4 x8.
Usually I hate the drama around react videos but appreciate you kept it objective! And goodness sakes PCIe topologies just seem to be getting worse. I still don't understand this obsession with sacrificing PCIe expansion slots for onboard nvme.
TBH, if PCIE 1x/2x drives and M.2ports were a thing, it would be a good thing.
why are you cutting past so much your cutting out allot of what he says
understand what your doing but dont cut parts of the video out