"You should not fear him" (2024 reboot)
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- In this video I revisit my first ever vlog video from 2013 and two Bible verses that were pivotal in my early deprogramming.
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I have lived my entire life in fear…I was told that the end was coming in 1975, so I needed to get baptized and make the truth my own, otherwise I would lose my life at Armageddon. As a child in fear…I did as I was told. And life became more miserable from then on, as the org puts their claws into you…dragging you down. I can honestly say the meetings were boring, and the conventions were unbearable for me. My biggest regret is not leaving sooner, b/c of the permanent scars myself and my children now have. Fear has always been the controlling factor in the org. That will not change in my lifetime.
SOOOOO TRUE!
I’m frightened to death of dieing
Yeah - I was around in 1975 also and I understand the fear box. The slimy con artists were good keeping people in fear, replacing everlasting burning hell with an everlasting death. It took me a long time to stop thinking in JW doctrine. Remember the phrase "where will we go"? It is a difficult pill to swallow that there is no truth. If all we get a a few years of life I would have rather not being born just to live in misery. I did get a care free life away from religion but the scars still were there.
My faith in God and Christ is not based on dates and fear, it's based on a way of life. However, many sects of christianity like the JWs and catholic church etc, base their money making endeavours on fear mongering like armageddon and hellfire to control their converts. But does the bible not prophesize this apostasy and santanic deception?
Likewise.
It takes a lot of courage to leave the religion of your father and mother when you no longer believe it is true.
It's more than that though. There is a larger cost with leaving the JW cult as opposed to leaving the Catholic faith for instance.
I would rank leaving Islam as having the highest cost, but leaving the JW org has a higher cost than most other forms of Christianity.
It is and I take my hat off to anyone who finds the courage to do so!.
I was in the Org for over 30 years and I left in 2022 .. took courage !
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
And when you know all relation ships will be cut off and you will be smeared, feared and hated for it.
@@marcieebabyIm too 37 years old
These are the words I came across when I thought that I had a good time with the JW and maybe I could go back: "You should not fear him." Also when I remember your first video I realized the longer you have left the cult, the better you look :)
Lloyd I just wanna say that if it wasn't for you I still would've been stuck in this organization. Thanks to your videos I was able to muster the courage to get out. I bought a house and got a car a good job and moving forward. All things that the people around me would tell me not to do since the end "is so close". Thank you again for what you do!
Hero. Enjoying your life in this ‘bad’ world😉
Come back we ant got long left
Don't stop ❤ Your work is relevant.
It’s rubbish seed destroyer
After watching and listening to a few different channels about JWs i keep coming back to this channel because i like the research and reasoning you put forward such as you your doctored scriptures series, keep up the work rather than just banging for banging sake!!
Lloyd , your videos were vita in my waking up process! Thanks so much! I know many many more will benefit from your videos!
I can't believe I have been following your activism all these years. I came across your page jwsurvey way back when u wrote the Friday column. Thank you. John cedars
Wonderful content. Those early videos changed me!
This video popped up on my feed, even though I haven’t tuned in for a while.. love these types of videos you do 👍🏼
Man I'm grateful to hear your logical, sound, critical thinking, balanced and reasonable voice today Lloyd! Apparently there was a part last night about 'listening to the voice of strangers'. My co-work gave it and comes in presenting total non-sense, hypocrisy, contradictions, logic defying points, scriptures and common sense taken totally out of context... I've given up remotely trying to help people. If they are too stupid and try to argue with logic then there is literally no point in helping them.
It's an excellent idea to reboot some of your old videos. One of the very first videos I watched from you was the one on new light. That video made me comfortable to watch all your other videos. Thanks, Lloyd.
Many die-hard JWs will often say: well, even if it's not true I'll still continue in the faith because it's a better way of life than not being part of it. In other words, I will not even bother finding out for myself if it really is the truth - I'm too comfortable in my current way of lfe.
They say that, as did I, until realizing the denial involved in that statement. The lifestyle it provides is, rather, anxiety ridden and packed with expectations that few can meet. Yes, it provides community & purpose and that I miss, but not at the stake of ones inner mental wellbeing.
... and of course it's their right to choose to stay in the cult if that's what they want. I don't try and force anyone in the religion to look at the facts. As far as I'm concerned there are too many wonderful people like Lloyd and ex witnesses who are bravely telling the entire world their experiences, that if they want to find out what's really going on in JW World, they can put their big boy/girl pants and do their own investigation. It's never been easier.
your work Lloyd is invaluable. your give freedom and save lives ,i salute you sir ,thank you so much
Thank you for your support for others with doing this video!
I was in the organisation for over 30 years. I was a regular pioneer for 10 of those years.
I wasn’t born in , I was contacted on the doors in 1987 I’m now in my 60s and I finally left the Org in 2922.
The Convid and the experimental health product was what woke me up.
I then started investigating and found out about the UN and The false prophecies, then the Australian Royal Commission and I was out.’
I also have a TH-cam channel .. just a month in I’ve been amazed that people started watching my videos.
You give very wise advice , and although I still believe unlike you, I value your channel and your courage to do what you do and live the way you choose and are happy and are supportive of all.’
Thank you for everything 💕
Thank him he’s being used by Satan the devil a seed destroyer come back into the truth yuo not look back
November 2013 to April 2024 .... and STILL the end has not come. I was told in 1989 by an alleged annointed (pfft - if he was anointed, I'm Marilyn Monroe!) that Armageddon wasn't just coming down the garden path, it had stepped up onto the verandah and was beating on the door. That's how close it apparently was. THIRTY FIVE YEARS ago.
I was a witness for my first 40 years. An elder and a bethelite for 10+ years. I am enjoying my freedom now and looking forward to the second half of my life free from the paralyzing constraints of JW.BORG
Great video, Lloyd! I love the idea of revisiting the basics. I've been out a long time, but it's basic concepts such as the one discussed here that really keeps me sane. I believe that there are universal truths, and certain scriptures seem to support that belief, at least for me. I appreciate the way you explain things with clarity without insulting our intelligence. Take care!
Appreciate your take on those verses. Letting go of fear is still definitely a work in progress for me, but I’m not giving up.
Don't despair. Eventually the feeling of fear will give way to a feeling of FREEDOM!
Fear is part of the cult's toolbox of tricks. Very effective and almost everyone has to 'deprogram' on some level
Keep it up! What helped me to get out of religious indoctrination was being a health professional - learning about the physiology of fear and stress immediately turned the switch for me! Everything makes sense. A good name for that is Prof. Robert Sapolsky, Stanford, who is one of the major experts in stress endocrinology - and a super nice guy. His books are AWESOME. All the best to you, cheers from Brazil!
IHi all, let's appreciate Mr, Loyd for everything and wish him well ❤❤
Wow, Lloyd, this is certainly (the reupload of) one of the most important videos of your channel. It goes directly to the core of the problem. Also, 2 short comments: 1) YOUR VOICE!! It's incredible how your voice changed through the years. Went from almost a tenor to a baritone. I'm no phoniatrist, but this means your vocal chords are RELAXED now! Fantastic! This now is your REAL voice! 2) Fear nowadays is driven also by stress: keeping someone under pressure to be "good" always, to work a lot or to be busy (pioneering...), to stay living paycheck to paycheck (financial stress) is the fastest way to facilitate fear, which then in turn drives submission and/or anger (which is the path to the dark side etc etc 😂, Yoda said it all!). Hence, populists, as well as cults, like to work with the emotion of urgency - the world will end tomorrow (or Europe is going under thanks to immigrants, whatever motive floats their boat). The moment someone understands the impact of stress and fear, their life changes completely, and they're free.
Wow, Lloyd with his paradise shirt... ready to live forever in paradise on earth. So great. Greetings from Germany.
This is one of your best all time videos Lloyd.. loved that flashback of you from years past.😊
Thanks Lloyd for your clear reasoning. It’s so refreshing to listen to the pace in how you build up your arguments. About the unfulfilled prophecies and new insights thanks to new light. A Dutch TV presenter Lucille Werner raised as a Catholic once’s said in a program named“Adieu God” (Goodbye God). If I would go to heaven, I want to work at God’s communication department. It clearly needs some improvement. Why is God not able to explain a message clearly when it’s so fundamentally important for so many people in their time of need. I’m 47 and baptized at the age of 12. And dissociate myself in 2011. So I didn’t get to see all the video broadcasts when I was still in. But thanks to your channel and that from Caleb I get to see some of them. They making it so clear to me the GB treat their followers as children. For me that are almost funny to watch. But knowing how their messages ruin so many peoples lives is heartbreaking.
My iPhone corrected my misspelling wrong. Community should have bin Communication department. I’m blond by the way 🫣
Lloyd, thank you for all your work. You have the gift of putting things in a clear way.
Lloyed you helped me wake up 3 years ago and you have helped me so much in the coming to terms with everything…. Thank you so much it’s been a rollercoaster ride from intense fear to feeling free and fearless 😊
Good job Evan’s!!!
I wanted to tell you that I have always admired people like you, who expose the bad practices of the guards with such charisma and courage. Respect for your statements. May as many people as possible wake up from this organization that has taken the position of God himself. The problem is that many people wonder if they leave, where will they go? many cannot find a place outside the organization. Kind regards
Really enjoy your reasoning, and your ending song too🇨🇦
113k let’s go Lloyd!!! Praying for you.
Thankyou so much for revisiting past videos! Your information is still so relevant but viewers may be put off by the age of the video and may think it’s outdated info without even watching.
"The secret to freedom lies in educating people. The secret of tyranny lies in keeping them ignorant." Maximilliam Robespierre. Thank you for educating, Lloyd.
Love this video Lloyd. Such excellent reasoning. Thank you so much. ❤
Well done on the reboot Lloyd! Loved it as you went from the present into the past, like a time traveler.
Hey Lloyd I hope you are well I just saw your friends documentary was just uploaded on TH-cam lol think it was pretty good glad to see you XOXO
I survived leaving an abusive relationship and the cult by watching your videos. I also have your book.
Same!
I love the false prophet scripture, I've used that a few times with my wife when i tell her i don't need to listen to what they say. Hopefully eventually such reasoning will get to her and i can go from PIMO to POMO!
Thank you for this video. I always enjoy listening to you.
I never had personal contact with JW, but even though I find your videos to be interesting. (I believe in Jesus Christ.)
Greetings from Germany 😊
I think the reboot idea on past videos is a good thing.
Thank you Lloyd for an interesting video, it's so helpful that you use their own literature to disprove the GB. Your explanations are so clear. Can you recommend an easy to understand Bible that I can use for comparison rather than the NWT.
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“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!”
Tanx so much for bringing back some of what you said years ago. My Wife and myself left the Organisation 2019 after many Researches and what we saw in your passt Videos especially what one of the governing Bodies said that JW is not the only Religion being used by God after we have been told other Way round. The Austria child abuse court Reports. Many has woke up from your present and mostly early Videos. Please kindly continue to help those who are still in the Organisation (the Pimos). Tanx to your Efforts in this Wise. Germany
Lloyd will always be the Greatest exjw ever! His work is unmatched!!
Thanks Lloyd! Very interesting!
Great video, Lloyd. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses may not claim to be prophets, but it would seem that they expect their followers to treat them as if they were a type of infallible prophet. After all, if they are just fallible men who get things wrong, then why can't one question or disagree with whatever they say without fear of being punished for it?
“We are the prophets !! But don’t quote us as prophets!”
I really like your old videos. I only got to start watching your videos in 2018 . I had been out since 1980 but wasnt till i saw your videos that i started taking a interest in the my former religion Bulls&^%#
Excellent reboot!
The scriptures tell people to look at both sides of the story. Just one of the scriptures showing this. Proverbs 18:17....."The first to state his case SEEMS right until the other party comes and cross examines him". This applies especially to born in's which make up the majority of new members.
Any Jehovah’s Witness would agree - on ANY parallel line of inquiry- that one could and should exhaust all avenues of research- but THEN - under NO circumstances whatsoever - would a JW EVER apply that same scrutiny at their own tribe
Thank you Lloyd. 😊
Thank you another excellent video. I found you only a few weeks ago. I was really disturbed by some of the GB changes recently and in doing research found it makes no sense. I have not been to a meeting in a long time so some of the changes i wasnt aware. What is left of my immediate family doesnt speak to me. But i always questioned the reasoning of the last days I've been hearing about for 50 years. Now its the "final part of the final part". Really, are you sure?
What is weird, is in my personal experience, there were SO many discussions 'off record' around various topics that the org/GB would discourage. I happened to be closer with brothers than sisters (so many were very catty w/each other). The discussions had were deep, even profound. But these discussions were NEVER open with the general cult population. Very hush hush. Topics included the whys or hows or ifs of some of the writings or workings of Earth & Universe. Often times these discussions were held at large cong gatherings i.e. picnics or parties. Sadly, these talks were never shared or went beyond that--just talks in hiding. They were private questionings of GB, or teachings. We even had some of these talks out in service...a few times I'd be the only sister in the vehicle and the talks were much different than what sisters had. People were to afraid, ashamed or whatever to let their thoughts be known outside these little groups. Sad really. Some really beautiful talks were had. Closet questioners never heard.
Looking good Llyod. Better than 10 years ago! Keep waking up JWs. It's the Lord's work. Lol
Thank you loyld
“We’re so certain we are correct - we forbid you to challenge it or ever engage a friendly conversation with and ex member … and that proves we’re right”
- watchtower
you might heard it already, but there is one element that contributes to success of your channel apart from the content and likeability of listening to you. I would borrow words of Simon Cowell: "You have exceptional recording voice". 😉 You might easily be a great radio host 😜
Well done! I enjoyed this one. Very sound logic.
“Millions then living have all died”
Thanks Lloyd , it brings me back to a time in my life when I was a child; I would watch “The Twilight Zone” on TV, what strike my memory of an episode call “To Serve Man,” it turns out that it was a cook book and not a bible!😢😮😅. So before I give away any more of my age, I’ll just say that it is food for thought 💭 0:09
Thank you Lloyd, for these eye opening videos, i nearly signed up or joined this organisation, but thank God because i insisted on reading Scripture to see if what they say was what scripture say, but only to find they twisted some things
I have watched you, since the earliest start of your mission to help JW's challenge their beliefs.
You have had some hiccups in your journey.
But nobody is perfect.
My father is 94 yrs old now, and was an Elder for many years.
He has now woken up.
He told me, that the Governing Body has lost its way. And that he " could have been a millionaire " if he didn't believe these men. It is sad to say that he regrets most of his life.
He got into the religion at the age of 15.
Now he tells me that , he was wrong in bringing us kids up " in the truth".
He still believes in God.
But says you don't have to go through men to get to God.
He told me not to worry that I left the religion.
He understands why I did.
I love him so much. And he has the guts to say " I was wrong ".
Thank you, Lloyd Evans!
You have a good ability to say it in a precise way what excludes apologizing from having predicted false predictions, which have no divine backing whatsoever! It is false through and through, unfortunately for those who support these teachings.
I was watching another channel yesterday, and this person (also from UK) mentioned you and your issues in a very bad way, I called him out on it and then posted the video you made on the issues you were facing but no response. I’m appalled at how people do not look into things properly. Always here supporting you.
You’re an excellent orator. Good stuff Lloyd! - Jason
Hi Lloyd. It may have been me you are referring to in the video. I left you a message on your Patreon page back in Oct of 2023:
"Lloyd, if I might make a suggestion with your channel as you move forward with the recent changes. I woke up to this religion years ago and your material from 5-8 years ago I need to give credit to. I know you dont like rehashing material that you have gone through already in the past. Why not repost some of your older material. Maybe add a few minutes of your commentary as you introduce the older video. Your old stuff is pure gold. My guess is it doesnt get too many views. Debunking new light comes to mind, your review of Splanes generation teaching, reviewing older books, there are so many I could come up with. Just a thought. Hope you are doing well and look forward to your next video."
Yes, this was it! Thanks so much Jimmy!
I was doing comparisons with the Armish community and wow the similarities where mind blowing.
I was surprised that Lloyd did not mention this from the April 1st, 1972 Watchtower page 197 as quoted: "...This prophet was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students." which supports the point that yes, Jehovah's Witnesses did indeed claim to be prophets. It doesn't get any more clear:
Excellent idea about returning to the core issue; namely, whether the doctrines of JWs are true or false. I miss the depth of research and critical examination of specific topics that made up the subtance of your early podcasts. Now with the changes made by the governing body it is more important than ever to highlight the fundamental errors that always have been found in the religion. The GB is in the process of "mainstreaming" the religion, making it seem more tolerable and a "kinder, more gentle" organization. But it essentially remains an authoritative and totalitarian cult. Brothers with or without beards or sisters wearing pants or skirts is not the primary point. Rather, is what it teaches correct? In your early podcasts you provided the facts and exposed its falsehood. So happy seeing you return to your roots.
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“Never claimed to be prophets …”
But they use every - ev-er-ry possible use of language to say they ARE
I like the reboot! keep going please
Another great video. Thank you for sharing.
Yes the things we grew up with❤😊❤
Thanks for saving souls.😁😇
The JW Borg are super skilled at gaslighting....😂😂😂😂😂
That was me, I think, that suggested you redo some older videos for newer listeners. Maybe someone else made that suggestion too.
I remember reading that 1984 Watchtower. I was baptized in June 1983. I was 16.
That’s a cool looking shirt
Awesome video man
Hi Lloyd you talk of that generation having passed away, however I googled the list of 10 oldest people in the world who are still alive and their average age is 115, 116 years old, so whilst even ONE person still remains alive who saw the start of the pangs of distress ie 1914 then that generation IS still represented here on earth.
By the way greetings from me in Leeds U.K xx
Hardly. Generation refers to a general group, not one or two individuals.
Matthew 7: 15-16
“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?”
Commenting to help.
A bit late watching the program, my wife is still a bit unsure of the GB but she does admit they are false prophets, one with CO's Elder's Helpers who follow the 9 fakes in NY! Mathew 24:4&5 a enter version of false prophets Wolf's in Sheep's clothing. But also makes the point not to fear them. Your research is pretty solid as I have been watching for over a year now. So much has happened in JW World, a God who never changes, sure changes a lot! 😮 I notice that over the last year and a half the hare speech 💬 has definitely picked up against Apostates yet we never read that Jesus was that way. Usually their introduction to the talks they give is misleading, deliberately misleading. BITE Model Authoritarian Control over the sheep is getting more desperate by the GB and their Helpers to control what the sheep will listen to. Almost to the point they take a Hitler Style form of speech. I do enjoy your research is excellent! Thank you!
Even if they don’t say “we are prophets” does a group have to go around saying “we are prophets” for them to be false prophets? They merely have to do the things false prophets do.
Nor do they have to claim inspiration. Almost by definition, someone who prophesies things but they fail, isn’t an inspirer prophet. All false prophets aren’t inspired.
My question concerns how the Governing Body originated. Who had the authority to create this Body? There should be some sort of constitution which spells out the organizational process such as how are new members chosen?
10 years ago that's almost a generation
10 years free!
The Watch Tower Society, I feel, fails to realize that the end of the world predictions they made in the past had an effect on people's lives. The dictates they make when it comes to their prescribed doctrines and rituals in today's world has an effect on people's lives. For whatever reason, they don't seem to take this into consideration. For example, when the 1975 prediction for Armageddon didn't come to pass, the Society basically said that they were separating the true believers from the unbelievers essentially -- that those people who left the JW Organization out of disappointment were "unbelievers". Well, where did they get the idea that that the current world system was going to end in 1975? Those who sacrificed everything to promote your message, even if apostates today feel that the apostates then who put so much trust in your claims had misplaced that trust, that took some gumption for them to try and promote your apocalyptic message -- even if we apostates today find it disagreeable. To suggest that these people didn't believe in the Witness faith at all is really insulting.
This wasn't some conspiracy theory that the laity just made up and ran with. Who inspired them to accept this as a valid idea? To say that you don't owe people any apology for taking your predictions on Biblical prophecy seriously and for feeling disappointed when they don't come true -- well, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that, Governing Body members.
I went past them today on my way back from work , in Broadmead , in Bristol England , I do feel very sorry for them , a forlorn and sad looking bunch of people !
Nice people though !!
The women in particular , look as if they don't want to be there !
Fine Barnet back then Lloyd.😂
Lloyd
What is a agnostic atheist in your own words? It's a conflicting place in my mind.
Moshi
Hi Moshi! Agnostic atheism is pretty common actually. The first word deals with knowledge (nobody can know whether there is or is not a god). The second word deals with belief. I’m unconvinced by the claims of any theists, therefore I have no religious belief, therefore I am an atheist. 🙂
@@LloydEvans ok so God may or may not exist. But you can't confirm any religious beliefs as of now that makes you believe in religions? Is that right?
What if a miracle happen to you when you don't have any religious beliefs? Which is possible to show you that God exists outside any affiliation to any religious beliefs. I'm Catholic but I don't believe that the old testament is anything but stories because of the oral tradition and the “games of telephone” that I've told about before if you remember.
I'm not trying to be a ass I'm trying to figure you out. Definitely the JWs is a cult and a false profit.
Anyway with that said and to get back to the original point did I get that correct?
Correct pretty much. It really would depend on the miracle. For example, I’ve recently taken mushrooms and had two conversations with “God” but in the absence of corroborating evidence I have to assume this was just my brain chemistry responding to the psilocybin in the mushrooms. So-called “miracles” happen all the time but so do tragedies. To attribute every happy coincidence to an interventionist God while ignoring the bad stuff seems at best short sighted and at worst arrogant, especially if one insists God has assisted them in some way while simultaneously letting others die and suffer.
@@LloydEvans ya I get it. Why does the world work the way it does? Why would God let it happen that way? Idk? I don't take drugs because I have schitzoaffective disorder (schitzophrena and bipolar mixed) so don't mix with my medication. But I've had some supernatural things happen to me that can't explain. But I am a believer. I can't explain your questions.
Moshi
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 is unambiguous
You could also ask the question concerning Christianity. What evidence proves that Christianity is better than other religions such as Buddhism, Islam or Hindu? Don't most people just follow the religion they're born into?
Mr Evans, please add Polish subtitles 🙏
Another point from the " do not fear him " Scripture, it says prophecies from " other God's " ! What other gods are we talking about here ! Just like the first commandment, have no other God's before me !! Please explain these other deities !Mythology gods , imaginary ! The bible mentions 34 gods, including Zeus and Jupiter! Also in the books re
You can't make claims about the world ending either "1975" or the "generation teaching" and insinuating that this information they are sharing is somehow coming from god but not necessarily inspired by him. They play the fence on this issue all the time. Either you are, or are you aren't. If you are than you CANNOT be wrong, if you aren't than STFU and do not go beyond what is written!
Lloyd, I can see why a JW who has left would reject "religion," after experiencing life in a cult. However, have you ever considered Christianity - and by that I mean simple, non-denominational Christianity, such as is found, for instance, in Calvary Chapels or other non-denominational Churches? Give it a try. There really is a God, and a Jesus, the Word of God made flesh, who really does love you, and He's a lot different than the fake Watchtower Jesus.
Loyd what’s the ansaw then other than Jehovahs kingdom
Freedom mate. Go live your life that you have now. Enjoy beautiful moments, go to therapy. Travel, try new food. Enjoy our beautiful planet. There’s so much good in this world. Read crisis of continence by Raymond Franz.
John 6:68-69
Freedom to think for yourself and be in control of your own life.
@@LloydEvansman can’t direct is own footsteps so true
@@Chopin_JT
Using Deuteronomy’s test, we can reduced Jesus as well; his prediction that the end & his return & kingdom would come before his disciples died . Christians have been predicting The End for 2,000 years …FAIL
Look up "full preterism" or "fulfilled (covenant) eschatology" for the answer to that question.
@@Chopin_JTI do know the different views and interpretations of the text, including the ones you have mentioned. It is a fascinating area of research--endless ways to interpret any piece of literature. I get it.
@@SaffronHammer Ok I didn't realize that you know about full preterism, which is the view that Jesus didn't predict the end of the world but the end of the old covenant system with the fall of Jerusalem by 70 ad, just as he predicted. Many futurists and false prophets like the WT have missused these verses to scare their followers with 'end of the world' stories into obeying them blindly. Blind guides leading the blind into a bottomless pit.
A plethora of religions exist therefore they must all be false, and that makes your atheist materialist belief true by default? seriously?! 😳
@tayebzairi1528,
*"A plethora of religions exist therefore they must all be false, and that makes your atheist materialist belief true by default?"*
No, it would probably be more the case that Lloyd and I don't feel we have any good reason to believe that the claims of any religion are true. Speaking for myself, even if any religion were true, that doesn't mean that I would necessarily join that religion. I could still have ethical issues with the religion's theological, moral, cultural and ritual demands.