Wes does not make it look easy, which is reality. His expressiveness while performing this teardown really conveys its difficulty. His grunts & sweat show the physical effort required. Thank you Wes.
@@jameselder2418 until I built my garage, my wife would tell the neighbors I have work triggered Tourette’s. Now in my garage they can’t hear me… as much.
I *prefer* equipment videos. I hate working on cars; I might cuss at equipment but at the end of the day I generally enjoy fixing the stuff. Especially getting paid to do it.
To me this is one of the most interesting videos you've made. I grew up in a 1980 Case 580C. It was my dad's second backhoe after he bought a 73 case in 1976. I'm fortunate enough that my mom was an amazing photographer in those days so I have dozens and dozens of photos of my dad running that 580C doing anything from the most intricate and dangerous of digging for gas companies to tearing trees out in our own backyard. Fun story: We were given a large upright piano and my parents always thought my sister and I would learn to play, we never did. But the fun part was the stairs into our basement came straight off the backdoor. He put the one foot bucket on the backhoe, strapped the piano ever so carefully to the bucket and slid the piano straight down the stairs from the back patio. Unstrapped it and on the way out of the house he reached over a foot or so and flipped the hallway light switch off at the bottom of the stairs with the tooth of the bucket. The man was a surgeon with that machine.
@@WatchWesWork my dad started in the oilfield in Southwest Nebraska in 1973 and had never run a backhoe before. The foreman refused to pay for a ditch witch trencher because they were "too costly." So he put my dad in a backhoe and my dad dug flow lines for oil wells all day long for three years. Miles and miles going backwards. In 76 he started his own roustabout service and bought a newer backhoe AND a trencher! I'm kinda a mix of both...I can both work on them and run them but I consider myself a floperator where my dad was an operator. I can get it done but nothing near a match to his capabilities. Thanks for posting this video! I'm looking forward to part two!!
Wes, I am currently working on a forklift for a customer where someone dropped a quart of brake fluid in the hydraulic system "cause brake fluid will rejuvenate old hydraulic seals". I can testify that it does indeed work, it "rejuvenates" seals by making you replace them, ALL of them in the whole system.
They put too much in! It only takes about a cup for a few gallons of hydraulic oil (or ATF in a transmission), too much brake fluid makes the seals swell too much and get too soft. It works OK to get a job done, but ultimately the seals are worn out and that caused them to leak in the first place. New seals are the only good permanent repair.
@@ralfie8801 They had one cylinder leaking, all the rest were dry and functioning fine until they dropped the brake fluid in. It went from a $500-600 job to a $4,000+ job. Urethane lip seals are not compatible with any amount of DOT3 🤣🤣
@@steamfan7147 OK, I hadn’t thought about that, but I do know that was an old time fleet mechanic trick with some large companies like the phone company to slow or stop automatic transmission leaks. It would get them by for another year or so. But putting too much in would do more than just swell some hard/worn out seals up n
I’m not sure what I enjoy the most. Watching Wes struggle, his comedic commentary, or a successful repair. All I know is I enjoy the content. Keep up the good work, sir!
Wes, you my man are a pleasure to watch! Spent time as a track mechanic in Vietnam 70-71. (We had a few "naturals" but guys at 19 to 22 years old, lots more brawn than experience ) It was hot and or wet, no power tools to speak of. Farm boys with tractor experience mostly. We were helicoptered out into the field to work on tanks, personnel carriers, and bulldozers. (The army school for this was about 8 weeks long so you can imagine! Lol. You, by the way would have fit right in. Beer tall stories and dreaming of home. I'm 74 and I still have one friend that was in my platoon still farming in Missouri. Good luck my friend you have a good looking family and a secure job. (All our hydraulics use 10 w/ oil)
Definitely water build up is from condensation. As you stated, transmissions and rear axles do not typically generate enough heat to bake out the moisture, so it builds up. If you read the Case operators manual, it usually will recommend a drain and change annually. It probably had not been changed in years so would have easily produced that much condensate, especially just sitting idle.
Condensation for the large volume of water would be my assumption too. I work at a large flower bulb production greenhouse, Our articulation loaders and large tractors (Kubota M6 series tractors) have issues with case sweating being inside the hot greenhouse then to outside in the cooler temps or vise versa. We end up having issues with the condensation build up contaminating the oil in the pto driven spreader trailers they pull. Only real solution we have found is to make sure they are filled to optimum level, less surface in the case exposed for sweating to occur.... maybe lol. Great video as usual Wes!!
Guy I knew said the same thing about his old Harley, when I commented about the puddle where he parked it at work..........then showed me the quart of oil he always had with him.
I'm always impress with your skill. When I first started watching your videos way back when, I thought your were a competent mechanic trying to provide for your family. But as time has gone by, you have shown us that you are far more than just a mechanic. We are lucky you share all your skills and knowledge with us. Good job WWW.
Next time..have a helper hold a shop vac w/ a rag over the fill port on the tank...turn it on...then open the line..the air will suck in and not let the fuel out (and even the oil..changed a stripped out oil pan bolt on a car oil pan this way) not sure if it will work on hydraulic fluid unless it's on the return side, pull the line, put a plug in the fitting... Very cool rebuild...those wipers should keep water out until they dry rot, modern plastics should last longer than the older style rubber ones Keep em coming!!!!
Your enthusiastic viewers are both newbies who have everything to learn and old pros who know there is always something new to learn. Your lesson on parts search is pure gold. Thank you.
Oh the joys or working on equipment that is older than you are. I don't have that problem anymore. At age 79, most of the stuff I worked on has already rusted into immobility as have I.
As a Case 580D owner who bought is his machine worn out. I'm enjoying the video. I've got cylinders to rebuild and many pins/ bushings to replace as well as weld up and line bore some holes. Keep em coming
I sold Case equipment for ten years. Our mechanics always stretched out the bachoe boom to repack boom and dipper cylinders. That positioning made it easier to service hoses and remove cylinders for repacking. All Case cylinders of that age had cylinder part numbers stamped into them. Case parts people can tell which packing kit fits that cylinder. Some had split pistons. Some had one piece pistons (different packing). Exactly as you found in your loader cylinders. and , yes removing the nut end of the rod/ piston was a bear. Our shop had made special benches to mount boom cylinder rods. Sometimes mechanics had to use a 3/4 or 1" torque muliplier tool to get that bolt loose. I did wince when I saw you using the pipe wrench on the gland though. Most cylinder glands came out fairly easily once the small retaining screw was unthreaded from between the junction of the gland and cylinder tube. Those pin spanners are not super expensive and usually gave enough leverage to unscrew the gland from the tube. I believe Case 580C's hydraulic releaf pressure was limited 2000 - 2100 PSI. Most were way less than that as continous heat/cool cycles tended to soften the relief valve springs. The Case 580C tractor-loader-backhoe was light years ahead of competing brands. It had a specific balance of components that allowed operators to develop their skills to incredable levels. For it's time, it was one of the easiest to service, also. The powertrain was componentized, allowing easily separating the engine, transmission, or rearend for major services. The loader frame uprights held hyd. oil on one side and fuel on the other and seldom developed leaks. The geared hydraulic pump was long lived and cheap to replace. Yes the cylinders would develop leaks, but could always be repacked. Often customers would bring their cylinders to us to repack the seals. Many Case 580c's have been worn out and rebuilt more than once. Some 580C's even had the Cummins 4-390 engine installed when the old Case 207cid engine became unrepairable. One tip, never attempt to "fix" the brakes on a 580C. They never worked well and operators just used the power shuttle when changing directions and a rear stabilizer for a parking brake. 😄
I did the brakes on a 70s 580 sometime in the 90s, it had been used on the salty shores of the scenic coast of Maine. I could turn a wrench OK but didn't know from anything about wrenching heavy equipment and none of us knew much about operating either. There was some kind of crazy drum-to-spreading-ball-disc arrangement that I'd never heard of when I took it all apart. All the bits on the outside of the housing castings were rotted off and the whole thing needed a torch to get the housings off the transmission. The people who owned it had deep pockets so I was able to get all new everything and the reassembly was fairly easy (a bit heavy after doing brakes on bitchin camaros) after the horrid disassembly and cleanup. It took me about three days of work with no backhoe experience and borrowed tools, not terrible but definitely not fun nor clean.
@@peteysquirrelchaser9028 Yes, those hybrid brakes were designed to provide a mechanical advantage. The band was supposed to cause the balls to roll and press harder on the disc part of the brake. In practice, dust and rust would foul the balls so badly the brakes wouldn't work at all. If the machine had a power shuttle, operators learned to modulate forward/reverse with the shuttle and foot accelerator. I think the 580,580B, 580C, and 580D all had the same style of brakes. Case finally greatly improved the brake design on the 580 Super E which worked pretty well. The 580 Super E was a hell of a seller for Case.
@@marionstorm9004 I forget exactly which model we had (I belive it was a 580C) but it was kind of difficult to dig with using all the levers. Having run modern excavators for years now I can say that using two joysticks is way more intuitive and efficient. I was able to keep those brakes working well for years afterwards by maintaining the adjusters because that was way easier than taking the whole thing apart again. We got a ton of entertainment out of making extend-a-ho jokes around that machine, that's for sure. Those machines are still around, I see them for sale all the time.
@@peteysquirrelchaser9028 The Case 580C was long before pilot hydraulics. The intricate mechanical linkage required to link four valve spools made for a lot of linkage slop compared to Case's one lever per spool design. Operators who got used to the Case controls almost always preferred them to wobble sticks to tight machine control and "feel".
On the Case B/H cylinders the cylinder part number is stamped on the face of the gland. In the early days Case used either cylinders with one piece or two piece pistons so with the cylinder part number the Case dealer can give you the correct kit and the parts will (usually) fit.
I would definitely be interested in seeing the entire service and repair of this backhoe by you. I think you missed some good content here. Start to finish in great detail could have been a cool series.
You truly are a rare breed! You are brilliant when it comes to working on anything that is mechanical. Your mind can see and troubleshoot very quickly like the hot swap on the fuel line. Not many guys would have been cool as a cucumber in doing so. Most would have thrown a perfectly good 1-1/8” wrench across the shop and probably imbedded it in the wall. lol! Keep up the excellent work!
If someone hasn’t said it already search this kinda repair on CEE from Gold Coast area of Australia. Works heavy duty mining equipment. Stellar workmanship. CEE Engineering. He has had similar problems with much bigger rods. (Edit after watching the whole vid) Now I see you are as good an educator as Kurtis from CEE thanks for the explaining of the seals and such. I’ll never do this work but my way of relaxing is watching “how it’s made” type content. Why I also have bought that series and enjoy fixing stuff that breaks (when I can) around the house.
06:18. I was performing the same thing this Last week and could not remove it. My Volvo construction dealer had one of these heat transfer electrical thing. It heated threads in seconds and we removed it. Incredible how these things work. I loved this video Wes!
I agree with others, happy to watch you fix anything! Never thought I'd get sucked into a hydraulic piston repair, but I liked it, and loved that I learned something new!
Nice work Wes. I love watching and look forward to each video. I also learn a lot even though I'll probably never use that knowledge. As a consummate learner, you really are a great teacher! Thanks again!
I used to work for a company who reconditioned rams. We didnt straighten the rods professionally, but i did a few to use back at the farm. New barrels wernt to bad. We used a parting tool to machine through the welds holdong them together. We often made new pipes and welded them in. A hydraulic power pack for testing is your friend if you attempt a barrell replacement. We quite often made new pistons and glands to allow the use of modern seals on older rams. Biggest thing to remember is to machine 15 degree leading chamfers on the insdes of the barrells to avoid shredding the seals on final assembly. This was the most common issue we had when customers brought their failed attempts to us. We only had an electric power pack for testing, but a hand pumped one would work just was well as would a single acting service from a tractor. A hose crimping machine to make your own hoses can be invaluable, particularly if you wanted to go into business. There's always plenty of work dor those.
You definitely know hydraulic cylinder rebuilds and I know you have probably rebuilt hundreds more than I. I have had great success over the years breaking those rod end bolts/nuts loose by putting my breaker bar on then striking it very sharply with a 4lb shop hammer even before I hit it with an impact or put a breaker bar on it. Mainly because it works more times than not and at 79yo, I'm getting entirely too old to be hanging onto the end of a breaker bar! Seriously. p.s. I really enjoy your videos! I actually started my own farm equipment business when I was 14, so I enjoy seeing equipment, especially the old stuff, being brought back to life. Thanks! p.p.s. Loctite 545 on all petrochem fittings. Never another leaking fitting. Teflon? Just say no.
Hi Wes! I have been watching your videos, just haven't been commenting much on anything over the past bit, been a little under the weather for some time. But I get enjoyment from your great videos so thanks for posting! 👌🏼👍🏼
As one commenter said and I agree 💯 percent I’ll will watch you work on anything Wes. I’ve been subscribed almost from the very beginning of your channel. Looking forward to seeing part two of this Case 580-C
Ahhh, memories from the 80s! Spent a lot of hours on CKs, Bs, and Cs. Good machines, but as you indicated at the beginning, can’t let them sit around. Thanks for sharing!😊
Wes, glad to see a new mechanics video from you. You may think a video about a backhoe might be boring, but I have an ancient Massey-Ferguson backhoe that leaks oil worse than the Exon Valdese. This video is pretty interesting to me. There are a lot of people doing videos about car repair, so ones about agricultural stuff is just a lot of fun.
I've said it before. I'll say it again. Wes, your tenacity and perseverance are inspirational. I used to give up on more challenging projects, or phone a friend with more experience, or at least more tenacity. But your transparency in showing your struggles gives me hope that my struggles won't prevent me from finishing whatever I'm working on. Thank you.
Mucho bueno!! Very well done!! Hope mom n kid r ok, I’m 83, worked on n operated equipment when younger, none of what you’re doing is easy! I really admire you n yours, my late wife was a teacher, she seems to be a great gal!
*Thanks* for sharing Wes. Whatever you charge for these jobs it's at least half of what it should be. I could not do what you do. I would spend half my time looking for the tools that seems to get dispersed around the workshop after magically flying from my _grasp._ 😲
Did my 580b two years ago. left it hooked up, boom extended. After loosening the gland, put it to extend the boom, and it pops right out. A 5 gallon pail under the end caught the fluid. Put new seals on, the pushed it back in and reversed the procedure. With an old operator giving me directions, got it done in an afternoon. I was amazed at how easy it went with the good directions.
I rebuilt the cylinders on my small Kubota having never done it before. It wasn't a bad job and saved me $700. Got the seals from the dealer for $25 per cylinder. Great video BTW!
Excellent video Wes :) also fixed up Hydraulic cylinders you get workout take apart plus reassembled back together and much more! Yes do understand part 2 on it and plus my Cousin Daniel has one those backhoe tractors done him lots years of good use and his construction business !
This is the kind of video I like. You Wes make every project very entertaining to watch. I can watch your videos realizing that you are not unstable or unpleasant to watch. It isn't just your projects that make your videos worth watching, it is your pleasant personality and ability to make even a novice understand. Thanks Wes for your many entertaining and informative videos, we all appreciate them.
The amount of time, money and effort put into this old backhoe tells me that either it's your own machine, or you're too cheap. Back here that thing would be melted down and made into bottle caps, not worth fixing them. That being said, it's cool to see you adapt and overcome when faced with old equipment that has a lot of faults. Keep it up 💪
I feel the pain and the mess a hydraulic system can cause. I had worked on hydraulic cylinders through out my career in a machine jobber shop. The biggest I had worked on was am 8” barrel and about 6’ long, I have made every possible component on a cylinder from barrels, rods, glans, pistons, and ends/ pin bosses, it is not for the faint of heart and in some cases requires some very expensive equipment ( sunnen hones for instance). For what it is worth, I think you did an excellent job of rebuilding the rams,and just as a reference, some of those piston retaining nuts/ bolts are torque to 600 lb/ft, on case equipment, very tight. Nice job sir, looking forward to part 2.
Hi Wes - Just watched your 2023 year in review video. If others are anything like me, I discovered your channel recently and subscribed. Once I decided your content was interesting and I enjoyed watching your laid back personality, I’m now in the process of watching your older videos in their entirety to see everything I’ve missed. That could be one reason why your older videos were the most watched in 2023. It can’t be anything negative about what you’re doing. From what I’ve seen so far, as time goes on your video and content quality has improved! Thank you! I wish all the best to you and your wonderful family.
Matt, anything mechanical you work on is extremely entertaining. Your delivery, explanation of what your going to do and how you're going to do it is why we continue watching your channel. Ooh,and your self depreciation when something goes wrong is a hoot sometimes.
I really enjoyed this video. Of course, I wasn't doing the work and battling those cylinders! You say it wasn't interesting but I found it very interesting. Can't wait for part 2!
Wes, A great video for the mechanically inclined small machinery contractors and farmers. Even a non mechanical person like myself can listen and learn from your wonderful tutorials. I've been exposed over the years to a lot of heavy pipeline construction projects and watched a lot of heavy equipment operating in the field. But I'm as mechanical inclined as an old door key. But I still enjoy following along watch your wonderful channel .
Wes, you are so humble. Disregarding the brilliant branding you have with a channel called 'Watch Wes Work', I suspect you would disagree that your channel name should really be 'Watch Wes Work So We Can All Learn Together'. Thank you for another high quality lesson. One the reasons I really look forward to Sunday. 👍👍😎👍👍
Great video! Glad to know about Baum. I woke my mister up from a nap reacting to you hooking up the lines.. argh!! I'm not the only one who struggles getting my lines on! So very good. This is why I love your videos! They are REAL!
Could partially be condensation buildup in trans, but also without doors, and depending on where it's parked, wouldn't take much wind with some good storms to get water in the operator area. The boot looked like it's seen better days, probably worth replacing it. Maybe he would hose out the floor in the cab too to clean it? *shrug* Always enjoy your videos! Thanks Wes!
Those 580 s were great machines. My uncle still has the one he bought new, and still digs foundations like a champ. Don't track any of that oil/water into your new office. Have a nice day, Bill
Agree comments about Wes quality work. No ego, no agenda, great humour, intelligent commentary and analysis. And respect for good engineering (while recognizing that even US engineering can produce rubbish and that there is merit in the metric system).
Hi Wes, for jobs like pulling that stuck ram apart or seized pto shafts etc I use my forklift mast, chain one end of the ram to the bottom of the carriage and the other to the fork frame and gently lift.
This work is really interesting. Such simple tasks doing the reseal on the cylinders, yet it's so damn difficult anybody can screw it up big time. Some say hydraulics are easy but I know things happen that can defy understanding. I have too many around my yard that need simple restoration. And brand new replacement hoses I don't know any more than which machine they came off.
Grew up on a farm and did alot of the work wes does. My father's full time job was as a toolmaker so he was never afraid to attack a project. We would watch him tear it apart and we would do the install when he was at work. My best memories are of working hard and fixing things.
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Wes does not make it look easy, which is reality. His expressiveness while performing this teardown really conveys its difficulty. His grunts & sweat show the physical effort required. Thank you Wes.
I thought I was the only one that bitched and moaned during a job. At least that's what my dad told me.
It's enjoyable, but it's still work...
If I had made this video, the audio would have been 28 minutes of continuous BEEPS.
@WatchWesWork Grandad always told me, "If work was fun, you'd have to pay admission. "
@@jameselder2418 until I built my garage, my wife would tell the neighbors I have work triggered Tourette’s. Now in my garage they can’t hear me… as much.
I don't think I'm on my own here, but I'd happily watch you repairing your shop vac.... Bring em on :)
Or build a new office or build a new electronics bench or repair a roof on you dads barn........😂
Definitely not alone.
Don’t be afraid to upload videos of equipment Wes, I love watching this kind of stuff.
I agree. I dont know anything about tractors, and large hydraulics so its interesting to see how it all goes together
Yep. C&C Equipment is another cool channel to watch for heavy machinery.
I would watch this guy change a toilet to be perfectly honest
I *prefer* equipment videos. I hate working on cars; I might cuss at equipment but at the end of the day I generally enjoy fixing the stuff. Especially getting paid to do it.
To me this is one of the most interesting videos you've made. I grew up in a 1980 Case 580C. It was my dad's second backhoe after he bought a 73 case in 1976. I'm fortunate enough that my mom was an amazing photographer in those days so I have dozens and dozens of photos of my dad running that 580C doing anything from the most intricate and dangerous of digging for gas companies to tearing trees out in our own backyard.
Fun story: We were given a large upright piano and my parents always thought my sister and I would learn to play, we never did. But the fun part was the stairs into our basement came straight off the backdoor. He put the one foot bucket on the backhoe, strapped the piano ever so carefully to the bucket and slid the piano straight down the stairs from the back patio. Unstrapped it and on the way out of the house he reached over a foot or so and flipped the hallway light switch off at the bottom of the stairs with the tooth of the bucket. The man was a surgeon with that machine.
I worked with a guy that would rest the track hoe bucket tooth on coworkers car antennas, precision is an understatement.
My dad has a similar backhoe except his is a 580B and it’s a little older (mid 1970’s)
What's funny is I can fix them, but I have two left hands when it comes to running them.
@@WatchWesWork my dad started in the oilfield in Southwest Nebraska in 1973 and had never run a backhoe before. The foreman refused to pay for a ditch witch trencher because they were "too costly." So he put my dad in a backhoe and my dad dug flow lines for oil wells all day long for three years. Miles and miles going backwards. In 76 he started his own roustabout service and bought a newer backhoe AND a trencher!
I'm kinda a mix of both...I can both work on them and run them but I consider myself a floperator where my dad was an operator. I can get it done but nothing near a match to his capabilities. Thanks for posting this video! I'm looking forward to part two!!
@@nolanbrown84floperator I’m stealing that! Made my day!
Wes, I am currently working on a forklift for a customer where someone dropped a quart of brake fluid in the hydraulic system "cause brake fluid will rejuvenate old hydraulic seals". I can testify that it does indeed work, it "rejuvenates" seals by making you replace them, ALL of them in the whole system.
Oh no!
😂
They put too much in! It only takes about a cup for a few gallons of hydraulic oil (or ATF in a transmission), too much brake fluid makes the seals swell too much and get too soft. It works OK to get a job done, but ultimately the seals are worn out and that caused them to leak in the first place. New seals are the only good permanent repair.
@@ralfie8801 They had one cylinder leaking, all the rest were dry and functioning fine until they dropped the brake fluid in. It went from a $500-600 job to a $4,000+ job. Urethane lip seals are not compatible with any amount of DOT3 🤣🤣
@@steamfan7147
OK, I hadn’t thought about that, but I do know that was an old time fleet mechanic trick with some large companies like the phone company to slow or stop automatic transmission leaks. It would get them by for another year or so. But putting too much in would do more than just swell some hard/worn out seals up n
It's like a midwest episode of Cutting Edge Engineering. Love it. Keep up the good work.
Exactly thought that. At CEE you can see how really messed cylinders are repaired. Kurtis does the ones Wes will not be able to do :-)
Wes will be able to the same if he has all the machine that CEE has@@fabiankropp1792
@@fabiankropp1792 Also Jon at Farmcraft101
This post reinforces my conspiracy theory that there are only really 100 TH-camrs in the world and all the other thumbnails are fakes.
But one big difference is that Wes make famlly friendly videos.
I don’t know what is more challenging - the cars and light trucks you fix or the back hoe’s and farm equipment you work on. Such different issues.
Yes.
@@WatchWesWorkNo favouritism then. 😀
I love all these channels, and Cutting Edge Engineering is the channel to watch someone rebuild giant cylinders. It's a really great shop down under.
Wes and Kurtis have very different styles of videos, but oth are engaging and entertaining.
the joys of a giant gantry crane
@@Hyratel For sure. Love 'em both.
I’m not sure what I enjoy the most. Watching Wes struggle, his comedic commentary, or a successful repair. All I know is I enjoy the content. Keep up the good work, sir!
I feel bad enjoying it but yeah watching Wes struggle is entertaining especially as you don't see that in most channels
Wes, you my man are a pleasure to watch! Spent time as a track mechanic in Vietnam 70-71. (We had a few "naturals" but guys at 19 to 22 years old, lots more brawn than experience ) It was hot and or wet, no power tools to speak of. Farm boys with tractor experience mostly. We were helicoptered out into the field to work on tanks, personnel carriers, and bulldozers. (The army school for this was about 8 weeks long so you can imagine! Lol. You, by the way would have fit right in. Beer tall stories and dreaming of home. I'm 74 and I still have one friend that was in my platoon still farming in Missouri. Good luck my friend you have a good looking family and a secure job. (All our hydraulics use 10 w/ oil)
We lost a lot of tools in the mud.
Definitely water build up is from condensation. As you stated, transmissions and rear axles do not typically generate enough heat to bake out the moisture, so it builds up. If you read the Case operators manual, it usually will recommend a drain and change annually. It probably had not been changed in years so would have easily produced that much condensate, especially just sitting idle.
Condensation for the large volume of water would be my assumption too. I work at a large flower bulb production greenhouse, Our articulation loaders and large tractors (Kubota M6 series tractors) have issues with case sweating being inside the hot greenhouse then to outside in the cooler temps or vise versa. We end up having issues with the condensation build up contaminating the oil in the pto driven spreader trailers they pull. Only real solution we have found is to make sure they are filled to optimum level, less surface in the case exposed for sweating to occur.... maybe lol.
Great video as usual Wes!!
If it’s not leaking, it’s empty!
The old Land Rover motto 😂
And radial aircraft engines.
Guy I knew said the same thing about his old Harley, when I commented about the puddle where he parked it at work..........then showed me the quart of oil he always had with him.
Not leaking, marking its territory. 😅
*Detroit Diesel has joined the chat*
Oh Sirah!! This Case is very interesting, near and dear to my heart - since I use to run them "back in the day."
I'm always impress with your skill. When I first started watching your videos way back when, I thought your were a competent mechanic trying to provide for your family. But as time has gone by, you have shown us that you are far more than just a mechanic. We are lucky you share all your skills and knowledge with us. Good job WWW.
Next time..have a helper hold a shop vac w/ a rag over the fill port on the tank...turn it on...then open the line..the air will suck in and not let the fuel out (and even the oil..changed a stripped out oil pan bolt on a car oil pan this way) not sure if it will work on hydraulic fluid unless it's on the return side, pull the line, put a plug in the fitting...
Very cool rebuild...those wipers should keep water out until they dry rot, modern plastics should last longer than the older style rubber ones
Keep em coming!!!!
This is how you replace hydraulic/transmission filter on a JD 5100m
Your enthusiastic viewers are both newbies who have everything to learn and old pros who know there is always something new to learn. Your lesson on parts search is pure gold. Thank you.
Yes, he did a good job. Abom79 has an in-depth video on cylinder repair that is worthwhile also.
Can’t wait for part two. I love equipment videos. THEY ARE NOT BORING.
In my opinion that's one of the finest backhoes ever made. Simple and easy to work on. Not to mention a night and day improvement over the 580B model
It may be the most produced backhoe of all time. They are still found all over.
Both the C and the CK.
Oh the joys or working on equipment that is older than you are. I don't have that problem anymore. At age 79, most of the stuff I worked on has already rusted into immobility as have I.
Backhoe videos will never get old, thanks.
As a Case 580D owner who bought is his machine worn out. I'm enjoying the video. I've got cylinders to rebuild and many pins/ bushings to replace as well as weld up and line bore some holes. Keep em coming
I envy you for your optimism and enthusiasm, sir !
Looks very difficult reconnecting the hydraulic hose's Wes, a lot of work for sure. Awesome video Wes 👍👍👍👍
love some Case action. We've had a 580D for over 25 years and love it.
I sold Case equipment for ten years. Our mechanics always stretched out the bachoe boom to repack boom and dipper cylinders. That positioning made it easier to service hoses and remove cylinders for repacking. All Case cylinders of that age had cylinder part numbers stamped into them. Case parts people can tell which packing kit fits that cylinder. Some had split pistons. Some had one piece pistons (different packing). Exactly as you found in your loader cylinders. and , yes removing the nut end of the rod/ piston was a bear. Our shop had made special benches to mount boom cylinder rods. Sometimes mechanics had to use a 3/4 or 1" torque muliplier tool to get that bolt loose.
I did wince when I saw you using the pipe wrench on the gland though. Most cylinder glands came out fairly easily once the small retaining screw was unthreaded from between the junction of the gland and cylinder tube. Those pin spanners are not super expensive and usually gave enough leverage to unscrew the gland from the tube. I believe Case 580C's hydraulic releaf pressure was limited 2000 - 2100 PSI. Most were way less than that as continous heat/cool cycles tended to soften the relief valve springs.
The Case 580C tractor-loader-backhoe was light years ahead of competing brands. It had a specific balance of components that allowed operators to develop their skills to incredable levels. For it's time, it was one of the easiest to service, also. The powertrain was componentized, allowing easily separating the engine, transmission, or rearend for major services. The loader frame uprights held hyd. oil on one side and fuel on the other and seldom developed leaks. The geared hydraulic pump was long lived and cheap to replace. Yes the cylinders would develop leaks, but could always be repacked. Often customers would bring their cylinders to us to repack the seals. Many Case 580c's have been worn out and rebuilt more than once. Some 580C's even had the Cummins 4-390 engine installed when the old Case 207cid engine became unrepairable.
One tip, never attempt to "fix" the brakes on a 580C. They never worked well and operators just used the power shuttle when changing directions and a rear stabilizer for a parking brake. 😄
I did the brakes on a 70s 580 sometime in the 90s, it had been used on the salty shores of the scenic coast of Maine. I could turn a wrench OK but didn't know from anything about wrenching heavy equipment and none of us knew much about operating either. There was some kind of crazy drum-to-spreading-ball-disc arrangement that I'd never heard of when I took it all apart. All the bits on the outside of the housing castings were rotted off and the whole thing needed a torch to get the housings off the transmission.
The people who owned it had deep pockets so I was able to get all new everything and the reassembly was fairly easy (a bit heavy after doing brakes on bitchin camaros) after the horrid disassembly and cleanup.
It took me about three days of work with no backhoe experience and borrowed tools, not terrible but definitely not fun nor clean.
@@peteysquirrelchaser9028 Yes, those hybrid brakes were designed to provide a mechanical advantage. The band was supposed to cause the balls to roll and press harder on the disc part of the brake. In practice, dust and rust would foul the balls so badly the brakes wouldn't work at all. If the machine had a power shuttle, operators learned to modulate forward/reverse with the shuttle and foot accelerator. I think the 580,580B, 580C, and 580D all had the same style of brakes. Case finally greatly improved the brake design on the 580 Super E which worked pretty well. The 580 Super E was a hell of a seller for Case.
@@marionstorm9004 I forget exactly which model we had (I belive it was a 580C) but it was kind of difficult to dig with using all the levers. Having run modern excavators for years now I can say that using two joysticks is way more intuitive and efficient.
I was able to keep those brakes working well for years afterwards by maintaining the adjusters because that was way easier than taking the whole thing apart again.
We got a ton of entertainment out of making extend-a-ho jokes around that machine, that's for sure. Those machines are still around, I see them for sale all the time.
@@peteysquirrelchaser9028 The Case 580C was long before pilot hydraulics. The intricate mechanical linkage required to link four valve spools made for a lot of linkage slop compared to Case's one lever per spool design. Operators who got used to the Case controls almost always preferred them to wobble sticks to tight machine control and "feel".
On the Case B/H cylinders the cylinder part number is stamped on the face of the gland. In the early days Case used either cylinders with one piece or two piece pistons so with the cylinder part number the Case dealer can give you the correct kit and the parts will (usually) fit.
I would definitely be interested in seeing the entire service and repair of this backhoe by you. I think you missed some good content here. Start to finish in great detail could have been a cool series.
I've covered everything I've done so far. No one can afford to fix everything. We're just hitting the big stuff.
@@WatchWesWork understandable you just mentioned at the beginning you weren’t going to film it and I immediately thought I would love to see it all…
You truly are a rare breed!
You are brilliant when it comes to working on anything that is mechanical. Your mind can see and troubleshoot very quickly like the hot swap on the fuel line.
Not many guys would have been cool as a cucumber in doing so. Most would have thrown a perfectly good 1-1/8” wrench across the shop and probably imbedded it in the wall. lol!
Keep up the excellent work!
If someone hasn’t said it already search this kinda repair on CEE from Gold Coast area of Australia. Works heavy duty mining equipment. Stellar workmanship.
CEE Engineering. He has had similar problems with much bigger rods. (Edit after watching the whole vid) Now I see you are as good an educator as Kurtis from CEE thanks for the explaining of the seals and such. I’ll never do this work but my way of relaxing is watching “how it’s made” type content. Why I also have bought that series and enjoy fixing stuff that breaks (when I can) around the house.
06:18. I was performing the same thing this Last week and could not remove it. My Volvo construction dealer had one of these heat transfer electrical thing. It heated threads in seconds and we removed it. Incredible how these things work. I loved this video Wes!
Im not sure about other folks, but this is exactly the kind of machines (and trucks) I like watching you repair as opposed to cars.
I agree with others, happy to watch you fix anything! Never thought I'd get sucked into a hydraulic piston repair, but I liked it, and loved that I learned something new!
Nice work Wes. I love watching and look forward to each video. I also learn a lot even though I'll probably never use that knowledge. As a consummate learner, you really are a great teacher! Thanks again!
That is just a ton of heavy work that takes time and a mastery of the work involved, well done Wes!
I used to work for a company who reconditioned rams.
We didnt straighten the rods professionally, but i did a few to use back at the farm.
New barrels wernt to bad. We used a parting tool to machine through the welds holdong them together. We often made new pipes and welded them in. A hydraulic power pack for testing is your friend if you attempt a barrell replacement.
We quite often made new pistons and glands to allow the use of modern seals on older rams.
Biggest thing to remember is to machine 15 degree leading chamfers on the insdes of the barrells to avoid shredding the seals on final assembly. This was the most common issue we had when customers brought their failed attempts to us.
We only had an electric power pack for testing, but a hand pumped one would work just was well as would a single acting service from a tractor.
A hose crimping machine to make your own hoses can be invaluable, particularly if you wanted to go into business. There's always plenty of work dor those.
You are a man of many talents and I will gladly watch anything you upload.
Cutting Edge Engineering is another great channel. He does a lot heavy duty cylinder repair as well as machining and fabrication!
Yes, WES CAD.
Surprised on the rust damage on the rod glands.
Great work as always.
Thanks for sharing.
You definitely know hydraulic cylinder rebuilds and I know you have probably rebuilt hundreds more than I. I have had great success over the years breaking those rod end bolts/nuts loose by putting my breaker bar on then striking it very sharply with a 4lb shop hammer even before I hit it with an impact or put a breaker bar on it. Mainly because it works more times than not and at 79yo, I'm getting entirely too old to be hanging onto the end of a breaker bar! Seriously. p.s. I really enjoy your videos! I actually started my own farm equipment business when I was 14, so I enjoy seeing equipment, especially the old stuff, being brought back to life. Thanks! p.p.s. Loctite 545 on all petrochem fittings. Never another leaking fitting. Teflon? Just say no.
Hi Wes! I have been watching your videos, just haven't been commenting much on anything over the past bit, been a little under the weather for some time. But I get enjoyment from your great videos so thanks for posting! 👌🏼👍🏼
Awesome! Thank you!
Great job, as always it's always a pain in the southern region trying to fix worn out junk
As one commenter said and I agree 💯 percent I’ll will watch you work on anything Wes. I’ve been subscribed almost from the very beginning of your channel.
Looking forward to seeing part two of this Case 580-C
Ahhh, memories from the 80s! Spent a lot of hours on CKs, Bs, and Cs. Good machines, but as you indicated at the beginning, can’t let them sit around. Thanks for sharing!😊
Wes, glad to see a new mechanics video from you. You may think a video about a backhoe might be boring, but I have an ancient Massey-Ferguson backhoe that leaks oil worse than the Exon Valdese. This video is pretty interesting to me. There are a lot of people doing videos about car repair, so ones about agricultural stuff is just a lot of fun.
Good stuff Wes ....looking forward to seeing part 2 .... amazed of the amount of water that piece of equipment had taken on.... thanks....🔧🔧👍
I've said it before. I'll say it again. Wes, your tenacity and perseverance are inspirational. I used to give up on more challenging projects, or phone a friend with more experience, or at least more tenacity. But your transparency in showing your struggles gives me hope that my struggles won't prevent me from finishing whatever I'm working on. Thank you.
I think this stuff is very interesting, it would bring a new group of people to the channel. I enjoy this stuff. Thanks 👍
Mucho bueno!! Very well done!! Hope mom n kid r ok, I’m 83, worked on n operated equipment when younger, none of what you’re doing is easy! I really admire you n yours, my late wife was a teacher, she seems to be a great gal!
*Thanks* for sharing Wes. Whatever you charge for these jobs it's at least half of what it should be.
I could not do what you do. I would spend half my time looking for the tools that seems to get dispersed around the workshop after magically flying from my _grasp._ 😲
Morning started with a perfect video (77minutes) with Oliver and now a perfect 74minute video from Wes, just another happy Sunday
Well done on the cylinder rebuilding, you make it look easy. Thank you!
Did my 580b two years ago. left it hooked up, boom extended. After loosening the gland, put it to extend the boom, and it pops right out. A 5 gallon pail under the end caught the fluid. Put new seals on, the pushed it back in and reversed the procedure. With an old operator giving me directions, got it done in an afternoon. I was amazed at how easy it went with the good directions.
I rebuilt the cylinders on my small Kubota having never done it before. It wasn't a bad job and saved me $700. Got the seals from the dealer for $25 per cylinder. Great video BTW!
Perfect timing. I’m fixing a stabilizer cylinder on my case.
If it’s stuck, force it. If it breaks, it needed fixing anyway.
Excellent video Wes :) also fixed up Hydraulic cylinders you get workout take apart plus reassembled back together and much more! Yes do understand part 2 on it and plus my Cousin Daniel has one those backhoe tractors done him lots years of good use and his construction business !
This is the kind of video I like. You Wes make every project very entertaining to watch. I can watch your videos realizing that you are not unstable or unpleasant to watch. It isn't just your projects that make your videos worth watching, it is your pleasant personality and ability to make even a novice understand. Thanks Wes for your many entertaining and informative videos, we all appreciate them.
Another great video! Love watching Wes work on this old equipment.
Love the drawings. Always educational. Thanks for taking the time to do these
You are a natural teacher Wes, always love your content! Please keep it up! Thank you!
Love the videos on maintenance and repairs on stuff like this.
Thanks for a great explanation of resealing cylinders Wes!!
You really had your strengths on show here Wes. Thanks again.
You make these jobs look easy and I know (from 30 years of wrenching on old iron) that it is definitely not easy, good job as usual m8!
Fixing a backhoe is a whole lot more exciting than building lofts - stairs- electronic tables. Thanks for working on some iron.
Enjoyed the video, I have a 480C, I battle the leaks just like you are. Thanks, I will be waiting on Part II.
You make everything look interesting Wes! It’s the struggle of man against machine that keeps us poor mortals here! 🇦🇺🍺🍺
The amount of time, money and effort put into this old backhoe tells me that either it's your own machine, or you're too cheap. Back here that thing would be melted down and made into bottle caps, not worth fixing them.
That being said, it's cool to see you adapt and overcome when faced with old equipment that has a lot of faults.
Keep it up 💪
I really enjoy watching you work. Thank you for your videos.
I love hard work,
I could watch it for hours. 😊
It's amazing, the blogger is really creative and worth watching
I feel the pain and the mess a hydraulic system can cause. I had worked on hydraulic cylinders through out my career in a machine jobber shop. The biggest I had worked on was am 8” barrel and about 6’ long, I have made every possible component on a cylinder from barrels, rods, glans, pistons, and ends/ pin bosses, it is not for the faint of heart and in some cases requires some very expensive equipment ( sunnen hones for instance). For what it is worth, I think you did an excellent job of rebuilding the rams,and just as a reference, some of those piston retaining nuts/ bolts are torque to 600 lb/ft, on case equipment, very tight. Nice job sir, looking forward to part 2.
Yeah. They are 1" bolts. I know my impact is good for at least 500lb-ft.
Nice illustration of cylinder seal components. I hope the backhoe can spend some time in a building after this fixup!
Hi Wes - Just watched your 2023 year in review video. If others are anything like me, I discovered your channel recently and subscribed. Once I decided your content was interesting and I enjoyed watching your laid back personality, I’m now in the process of watching your older videos in their entirety to see everything I’ve missed. That could be one reason why your older videos were the most watched in 2023. It can’t be anything negative about what you’re doing. From what I’ve seen so far, as time goes on your video and content quality has improved! Thank you! I wish all the best to you and your wonderful family.
Matt, anything mechanical you work on is extremely entertaining.
Your delivery, explanation of what your going to do and how you're going to do it is why we continue watching your channel.
Ooh,and your self depreciation when something goes wrong is a hoot sometimes.
Who is "Matt"? Wrong TH-cam channel.
Do you think this is Diesel Creek or something?
I really enjoyed this video. Of course, I wasn't doing the work and battling those cylinders! You say it wasn't interesting but I found it very interesting. Can't wait for part 2!
Wes, A great video for the mechanically inclined small machinery contractors and farmers. Even a non mechanical person like myself can listen and learn from your wonderful tutorials. I've been exposed over the years to a lot of heavy pipeline construction projects and watched a lot of heavy equipment operating in the field. But I'm as mechanical inclined as an old door key. But I still enjoy following along watch your wonderful channel .
Great Sunday afternoon Wes and a cup of tea, what could be better.
Wes, you are so humble. Disregarding the brilliant branding you have with a channel called 'Watch Wes Work', I suspect you would disagree that your channel name should really be 'Watch Wes Work So We Can All Learn Together'. Thank you for another high quality lesson. One the reasons I really look forward to Sunday. 👍👍😎👍👍
I'm glad you showed this. It don't matter how many times I see something I can learn at least one thing 99% of the time Teach. Thanks
Great video! Glad to know about Baum.
I woke my mister up from a nap reacting to you hooking up the lines.. argh!! I'm not the only one who struggles getting my lines on!
So very good.
This is why I love your videos! They are REAL!
Could partially be condensation buildup in trans, but also without doors, and depending on where it's parked, wouldn't take much wind with some good storms to get water in the operator area. The boot looked like it's seen better days, probably worth replacing it. Maybe he would hose out the floor in the cab too to clean it? *shrug* Always enjoy your videos! Thanks Wes!
I like it when you do videos like this, Wess. It shows your experience and quality of work. Please upload more in the future.
Always a interesting show watching Wes work simply because you never know what your going to see
Wes you always give good explanations on what the problem is and how to fix it, great video 👍👍👍👍👍
Those 580 s were great machines. My uncle still has the one he bought new, and still digs foundations like a champ. Don't track any of that oil/water into your new office. Have a nice day, Bill
Agree comments about Wes quality work. No ego, no agenda, great humour, intelligent commentary and analysis. And respect for good engineering (while recognizing that even US engineering can produce rubbish and that there is merit in the metric system).
Thank god, a repair Video! I almost forgot you used to do these.
I think I can speak for many of your fans. We find repairs like this plenty interesting
I always like the video before I Watch Wes Work. One of only two channels I do. Thank you for another great video!
If I could upvote 100 times on your videos, I would. These are works of art.
Hi Wes, for jobs like pulling that stuck ram apart or seized pto shafts etc I use my forklift mast, chain one end of the ram to the bottom of the carriage and the other to the fork frame and gently lift.
I greatly appreciate any content you put out, regardless of type.
Yet another great video filled with a wealth of good information. Thanks Wes!
Perfect Sunday morning…..coffee and a WWW video…..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Really nice and informative video, to the point and no wasted time
This work is really interesting. Such simple tasks doing the reseal on the cylinders, yet it's so damn difficult anybody can screw it up big time. Some say hydraulics are easy but I know things happen that can defy understanding. I have too many around my yard that need simple restoration. And brand new replacement hoses I don't know any more than which machine they came off.
Grew up on a farm and did alot of the work wes does. My father's full time job was as a toolmaker so he was never afraid to attack a project. We would watch him tear it apart and we would do the install when he was at work. My best memories are of working hard and fixing things.
Love these videos Wes. I typically don’t work on equipment so these videos are extremely educational for me, thank you.
Love the farm and industrial videos. Of course I am in for all of em. Thanks Wes
Long time subscriber, but rarely comment but love to watch you work.