Wow Hoyt is looking great, nice improvements and super quiet too. But I bought the Z 1 S back in September and that's a sweet shooter, which Hoyt has carried over into the 2024 line up also. I do a high draw also, seems like I'm more accurate too.
@@FerventReminder yes unfortunately. It was 80# and it turned out to be too much for me. I took 2 weeks off of shooting and when I went to practice I couldn't draw it back. Shot every course at TAC and mountain archery fest with it no problem.
Great review, I went from the Helic to the rx5 great bows and very effective. I am not sure if to jump on the next chapter jet but you make a strong case, I guess I should try it for S&G . Thank again for a great review
Was it the switch to the REDWRX marketing brand when Hoyt Aluminum and Carbons started offering vastly different shooting experiences? I say this as someone who owned a '15 Carbon Spyder ZT34 and it's aluminum equivalent in the Nitrum 34 and still own a '14 Carbon Spyder Turbo and it's alujminum sister Faktor Turbo. Other than overall weight and hand shock there is no difference as draw cycle and all other aspects feel the same. I had the same experience shooting the Carbon and Aluminum variants of the Spyder's followup with the Defiant. After that I began to drift away from Hoyt as with the RX-1 they really began to drop support and efficiency on short DLs on the longer ATA Carbons.
Would like to see the alpha x30 and torrex xt set up at 25.5 draw 60 pounds to see difference in speed and performance comparison . Would the alpha x30 be worth the extra price over torrex xt?
The Hoyt carbon and aluminum have always had the exact same features just different riser material. The RX7 from last year was already stupid dead and felt very close to the aluminum VTM. They didn't do anything but add the same features to 2 bows that already had the same features. That said, I really like what they did with the cam adjustability.
The bows are touted as the exact same shooter experience, you just have to choose which one? So, in other words, there's no difference except half a lbs? In other, other words half a lbs = a nearly $700.00 price difference between the carbon and aluminum equivalent? This is ridiculous from all of these bow companies. I can't say anything, though, because they'll sell tens of thousands of them 😂
It's not that big of a difference in real world price. Depends how often you change bows, and how much you want it. Your $, no one cares what you do with it.
I went to our Tupperware drawer and found a spare lid that fit in my back pocket. I throw that lid down on the ground before I set my bow down to allow the cam to sit above the grass. Nice free alternative to protect my cam. As long as my wife doesn’t notice the lid is missing I’m good. ;-)
A 10” stabilizer to replace the shorty and the Go-Sticks 2.0 allow you to keep the whole cam off the ground! I do that on my RX-7 and it’s a game changer.
Soooo basically, they ran a flagship carbon bow for two years. Screwed around and couldnt come up with anything better. Way to go guys you dicked away two years of R&D to regurgitate the same ugly assed riser design. Fan boys get ya money ready cause theyre banking on you. That said the alpha x looks nice
Actually quite a bit of differences, new spacers, threaded axle, new cam, 1/4” adjustment, new letoff adjustments, new limb design. What more can you ask for?
Please, please, please, stop the skydraws!!!!!!!! Someone (you?) needs to address this problem, before someone is seriously injured at a major event, and insurance rates go up, which means a loss for the Archery community.. You do awesome reviews and interviews and I look forward to each one..
Hey thanks for the comment. Couple things.....First, if you go to 2:47 in the video, you will see the target layouts. From where I am standing, I am shooting uphill to those targets. So it might look like I'm holding really high, but I'm not in relation to the target I'm shooting. Second, this draw often gets confused with a skydraw. I start with both elbows up high and then the bow is coming down as the string comes back. By the time I reach full draw, I'm on the target, but during the draw cycle, I'm never over the "backstop," which in this case is the hill behind the targets. This is a draw you will find that is taught by many instructors - including our own - especially for target archery where you do a lot of shooting. This style of draw saves your shoulders. The old...point the bow at the target and draw straight back....is a shoulder killer. What I'm doing uses leverage to get the string back.
Agree, no lateral movement at all is the best in a hunting scenario. No defense or education of a draw cycle will convince me otherwise. If it's a shoulder killer, lower the poundage. Been shooting 11 years, I know that's nothing to some but I'm so tired of companies jerking us around at this point. Maybe it's due time for a social media break.
Rather then list the elites that do indeed skydraw I'd rather address what's seen. 2 yrs ago at Redding a buddy had his water bottle shot.. he was missed by the smallest of margins. Another friend was calling arrows, she was inches away from being hit. I watched one of the elites at the Rushmore rumble put an arrow 20+ feet above the target, in the wall. If he didn't "set his shoulder" and did a level draw, that just couldn't happen. Releases fail, D loops fail, Archers make mistakes. I'm 61 yrs old, shoot 68ish pounds for hunting, 59 for target. Shoot 100-150 arrows 6 days a week. All with a level draw. Your video shows a skydraw, regardless of target position, once you start the draw cycle, tension on the string, cams loading up, you really need to be pointed at the target. We, all of us, need to do a better job of educating Archers on just what a proper, safe draw is. Social media can do a better job of not showing bad form, and calling out those who have bad form. Yes, I absolutely called out the Archer who shot the wall. The arrow penetrated the wall by a few inches, which was just above the bleachers on the other side. Imagine if it was a bit lower, and it was an outdoor arrow that would have penetrated deeper? Please, let that sink in. Imagine that water bottle shot was 2 inches to the right? Please, help educate Archers on the dangers of skydraws. One shot Archer or spectator is more valuable then shooting poundage higher then an Archers strength allows or, what is being taught. Safety is the #1 priority.
Wow Hoyt is looking great, nice improvements and super quiet too. But I bought the Z 1 S back in September and that's a sweet shooter, which Hoyt has carried over into the 2024 line up also. I do a high draw also, seems like I'm more accurate too.
Oooof, I'm a short draw length guy at 26. Hoyt knocked it out of the park! I'll be grabbing a Alpha X 33 if the Lord allows it in 2024.
I had a ventum 33. It was my favorite bow I've ever owned. I was shooting that at 26"
@@jackbuendgen389 Got rid of it?
@@FerventReminder yes unfortunately. It was 80# and it turned out to be too much for me. I took 2 weeks off of shooting and when I went to practice I couldn't draw it back. Shot every course at TAC and mountain archery fest with it no problem.
@@jackbuendgen389 I see, that sucks. Hopefully you're happy with what you're running now then.
@@FerventReminder yeah! I'm rocking a Hoyt RX-5 and bowtech reckoning at 70#.
Get serious Get Hoyt 🏹🤘😎
Love the looks of the Alpha X..looks a bit like the Mathews Phase 4. I could go with either one.
It looks nothing like Matthews. what are you smokin? If anything they look like Obsession bows.
don’t know what I was thinkin’...@@SomeGuyFromOK
Great review, I went from the Helic to the rx5 great bows and very effective. I am not sure if to jump on the next chapter jet but you make a strong case, I guess I should try it for S&G . Thank again for a great review
What's up man! I shoot an rx5, it shoots so good I think I'm gonna wait till the RX10 comes out. I can't find a better shooting bow than my rx5
The rubber pad on the lower cam is nice. Wish Elite did something like that.
These bows look old school in a good way. They remind me of the bows from back in the day hoyt/alpine
Riser looks like some similar cut outs of a Mathews
Need more than this to.make me swap my rx7 ultra
No more stupid “C” clips on the axles! Awesome! You should’ve mentioned that, us home tuners will really NOT miss those previous clips!
MFJJ did a vibration test and the Alpha X looked like it preformed better then the RX8
Was it the switch to the REDWRX marketing brand when Hoyt Aluminum and Carbons started offering vastly different shooting experiences? I say this as someone who owned a '15 Carbon Spyder ZT34 and it's aluminum equivalent in the Nitrum 34 and still own a '14 Carbon Spyder Turbo and it's alujminum sister Faktor Turbo. Other than overall weight and hand shock there is no difference as draw cycle and all other aspects feel the same. I had the same experience shooting the Carbon and Aluminum variants of the Spyder's followup with the Defiant.
After that I began to drift away from Hoyt as with the RX-1 they really began to drop support and efficiency on short DLs on the longer ATA Carbons.
How the draw cycle compared to Bowtech SR?
Would like to see the alpha x30 and torrex xt set up at 25.5 draw 60 pounds to see difference in speed and performance comparison . Would the alpha x30 be worth the extra price over torrex xt?
Nice review Sir,nice review,you are the Best PJ.👍👍🤗🤗
Awesome video review
The Hoyt carbon and aluminum have always had the exact same features just different riser material.
The RX7 from last year was already stupid dead and felt very close to the aluminum VTM. They didn't do anything but add the same features to 2 bows that already had the same features.
That said, I really like what they did with the cam adjustability.
If your draw weight it’s 23 to 24 can you use this bows? Or dose it have to meet the draw weight to be used?
Best bow shop going ❤
Love new bow drops!
The bows are touted as the exact same shooter experience, you just have to choose which one? So, in other words, there's no difference except half a lbs? In other, other words half a lbs = a nearly $700.00 price difference between the carbon and aluminum equivalent?
This is ridiculous from all of these bow companies. I can't say anything, though, because they'll sell tens of thousands of them 😂
It's not that big of a difference in real world price. Depends how often you change bows, and how much you want it. Your $, no one cares what you do with it.
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 It is a $1,000 difference in Oz. The carbon being more expensive.
You cant tell me that your watch band doesn't touch that bride in the riser!
It doesn't
Nice bows
What arrow rest brand is on the carbon one ??
Redline Guru
Same as the 7
I bet pj has soooo many bows
I went to our Tupperware drawer and found a spare lid that fit in my back pocket. I throw that lid down on the ground before I set my bow down to allow the cam to sit above the grass. Nice free alternative to protect my cam. As long as my wife doesn’t notice the lid is missing I’m good. ;-)
I was going to ask how you did that.
A 10” stabilizer to replace the shorty and the Go-Sticks 2.0 allow you to keep the whole cam off the ground! I do that on my RX-7 and it’s a game changer.
Soooo basically, they ran a flagship carbon bow for two years. Screwed around and couldnt come up with anything better. Way to go guys you dicked away two years of R&D to regurgitate the same ugly assed riser design. Fan boys get ya money ready cause theyre banking on you. That said the alpha x looks nice
No difference from last year except the cam adjustment..
No difference from RX7 , IMO.
Agreed I’m keeping my RX7 Ultra.
Agree I still think the rx-7 twin turbo still knocks it out the park
Actually quite a bit of differences, new spacers, threaded axle, new cam, 1/4” adjustment, new letoff adjustments, new limb design. What more can you ask for?
@@evanmckendrick2495 I agree definitely more of a different but I wonder if they’ll bring a turbo bow out this year
Yeah maté big difference
😂is that it
No new technology Bowtech CORE SR and Elite Ethos blowing HOYT and Mathews away with technology and performance feel of shooting experience
😂 yeah they're not.
Please, please, please, stop the skydraws!!!!!!!! Someone (you?) needs to address this problem, before someone is seriously injured at a major event, and insurance rates go up, which means a loss for the Archery community.. You do awesome reviews and interviews and I look forward to each one..
Hey thanks for the comment. Couple things.....First, if you go to 2:47 in the video, you will see the target layouts. From where I am standing, I am shooting uphill to those targets. So it might look like I'm holding really high, but I'm not in relation to the target I'm shooting. Second, this draw often gets confused with a skydraw. I start with both elbows up high and then the bow is coming down as the string comes back. By the time I reach full draw, I'm on the target, but during the draw cycle, I'm never over the "backstop," which in this case is the hill behind the targets. This is a draw you will find that is taught by many instructors - including our own - especially for target archery where you do a lot of shooting. This style of draw saves your shoulders. The old...point the bow at the target and draw straight back....is a shoulder killer. What I'm doing uses leverage to get the string back.
Agree, no lateral movement at all is the best in a hunting scenario. No defense or education of a draw cycle will convince me otherwise. If it's a shoulder killer, lower the poundage. Been shooting 11 years, I know that's nothing to some but I'm so tired of companies jerking us around at this point. Maybe it's due time for a social media break.
Rather then list the elites that do indeed skydraw I'd rather address what's seen. 2 yrs ago at Redding a buddy had his water bottle shot.. he was missed by the smallest of margins. Another friend was calling arrows, she was inches away from being hit. I watched one of the elites at the Rushmore rumble put an arrow 20+ feet above the target, in the wall. If he didn't "set his shoulder" and did a level draw, that just couldn't happen. Releases fail, D loops fail, Archers make mistakes.
I'm 61 yrs old, shoot 68ish pounds for hunting, 59 for target. Shoot 100-150 arrows 6 days a week. All with a level draw.
Your video shows a skydraw, regardless of target position, once you start the draw cycle, tension on the string, cams loading up, you really need to be pointed at the target. We, all of us, need to do a better job of educating Archers on just what a proper, safe draw is. Social media can do a better job of not showing bad form, and calling out those who have bad form. Yes, I absolutely called out the Archer who shot the wall. The arrow penetrated the wall by a few inches, which was just above the bleachers on the other side. Imagine if it was a bit lower, and it was an outdoor arrow that would have penetrated deeper? Please, let that sink in. Imagine that water bottle shot was 2 inches to the right? Please, help educate Archers on the dangers of skydraws. One shot Archer or spectator is more valuable then shooting poundage higher then an Archers strength allows or, what is being taught. Safety is the #1 priority.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop making stupid comments! A sky draw means well... Pointing the bow at the SKY!! He's not
@@jackbuendgen389 stupid? I'll leave it at that.
They are SO ugly though PJ. Aesthetics don’t help with accuracy but man… they look worse than OBs!
Hoyt sucks lol. Overpriced as well
Reee!!!!
Is the RX 8 still made in China?
Just the riser. By one of the best carbon companies in the world. Obviously if they could do it here cheaper they would.