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Jean-Luc Picard meets his clone, Shinzon of Remus
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2019
- #StarTrekDay #Picard #deepfake
Star Trek's Captain Jean-Luc Picard meets his clone, Shinzon of Remus, a deepfake re-imagining. The face of Patrick Stewart as Picard replaces the face of Tom Hardy as Shinzon.
![Tom Hardy Star Trek Nemesis screentest vs actual scene [2001/2002]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gl4CDrEP-Ho/mqdefault.jpg)
OMG.. This is Effing Brilliant! I Saw this movie in theater, and I always felt it wasn't that bad. Not the Best, but not bad.. But this scene right here always felt detached from the emotion it was trying to portray, and I always felt like the film was being disingenuous to a certain extent because we weren't dealing with a mirror of Picard, we were dealing with Tom Hardy. For this scene; Why would anyone be stunned by the revealing of Tom Hardy? What this scene was missing was a mirror of Picard, and thats what this video brings us. You finely get the deep emotional impact that Picard is going through when he looks at himself when the Lights go up (four levels) and not Tom Hardy. Absolutely Brilliant! Too bad the entire movie couldn't be done like this. It would probably make it a much better film overall.
Honestly, the face is the only thing that needs to change. You can keep the Tom Hardy voice, and the totally shaved head. The Tom Hardy voice could be a result of the life Shinzon lead, and maybe he chose to be completely bald as that is often what warrior cultures do (hair gives an opponent an easy way to grab you). They could have gotten away with Shinzon looking as Old as Picard by running with the fact that Shinzon was engineered to skip 30 years of his life, but in this case, that actually happened. They could say that the reason for Shinzon needing to Nab Picard was because of another genetic reason that would cause him to die if he doesn't get a complete blood transfusion. God, I just love this! :D
This guy gets it. Thanks.
I didn't even get that he was a clone until they mentioned it in the following blood test scene.
Look closely that's a real clone and not a trick of the camera. The ears are not the same. When they clone a person the ears always come out different.
I don't understand why they didn't just have Patrick Stewart play both parts.
@@JamesTFaile Age difference probably.
If only you had used a younger Picard.
Cory Redding losers, cant control them, piss me off too
Younger like from Lifeforce?
Shinzon is supposed to be only 25 so you'd need 1960s Patrick Stewart.
@@SayAhh They could have got his appearance from I, Claudius.
There is no such thing as a young Patrick Stewart.
He was born old and never aged.
You only adopted the deep fake. I was born in it!
LOL
Damn right.
Use the footage of him in the original Dune film, that's a younger version.
Only by a few years.
GADS! what a monsta! (worst acting i ever saw in my life btw, stewart is horrid)
Honestly its only the last few years Patrick Stewart has started to look his age...
@@maximusprime3459 Nah, by the end of the 90's he was showing his age, espcially in his neck.
@@patreekotime4578 a few? try 18...
You should do a deep fake applying Data’s face from Nemesis onto the shots of Data from the Star Trek Picard trailers. That would easily fix why Data looks so weird
Well done. I came from r/fixingmovies and didn't realize I was watching a "re-shoot." It was seamless. I do agree that using younger Stewart footage for reference would've been better but short of that your version had greater shock value and impact than the original without the effect detracting from the scene at all.
Thanks, I'm trying to get better with the VFX.
There is the plot element already in the film that Shinzon was engineered to skip 30 years of his life, so that could be used to explain why Shinzon looks much older. He could need to go after Picard because of some other genetic reason.
that and lip ejections. lol
Woa! That's creepy! And, it explains the crew's shocked reaction. The original [no offense to the actors] looks like the clone experiment was never going to work, anyway.
They could've at least changed the plot into Shinzon being a failed attempt to clone Picard(hence the inacurrate facial resemblance represented by Tom Hardy), which led the Romulans dispose him to the mines because he no longer fitted his purpose!
The role which nearly killed Tom Hardy, literally
I read about that, he took the criticism of Nemesis very hard. But thank goodness he kept acting, he's had some really good roles since Shinzon. I liked "Bronson."
The main problem with the film is simply that the director, who ironically was a famous editor, butchered the final cut when he should have left nearly every scene in. The film's villain still could have been written better and the whole plot wasn't the most brilliant, but even with the material they had, that director dropped the ball.
I think actors are too hard on themselves (and people are too hard on actors) when a movie bombs. Nemesis had a lot of problems and Tom Hardy's performance was among the least of them. Unfortunately actors are the "faces" of a movie or show so they get a lot of undue blame if it's a bad one.
Hardy did the best he could do with such a poorly written character.
@@Reticuli It wasn't Stuart Baird which removed the many of the scenes, it was the studio that did. They wanted to trim the running length to get it to play at more theaters amid the box office competition of late 2002.
Tom hardy was actually one of the few good things about the film
Very impressive! I was almost certain that it would fall apart on the angle shots.
If anything, that proves that the actor they picked was wrong for the role.
I think Tom Hardy was a good choice for the role, he's had a few performances I've liked ("Bronson" and "This Means War", etc.). There was some physical resemblance between them, although Hardy wore a prosthetic nose and chin to more closely match Patrick Stewart's facial features.
@@DeepHomage
Yeah, but once you put Patrick's face on him, you can tell that there is something very different with the rest :)
Perhaps, since you are doing it again, you may want to try scaling down Patrick's face a little bit... I think that could help.
@@ChristianIce, I'm still working on the model, but scaling down is a possibility. Young Patrick Stewart faces exist, but the footage isn't great quality
@@DeepHomage
Looking forward to it!
Keep up the great work!
@@DeepHomage I think the writers should've made Shinzon a failed attempt to clone Picard due to the inacurrate facial resemblance(represented by Hardy), and despite everything else being the same as Picard the Romulans disposed the young Shinzon to the Reman mines. Thus begins Shinzon's deep lifelong resentment towards Picard because his existence as an visually inferior version of the famed Starfleet captain. That would've eliminated the need of Shinzon looking 90% the same as Picard, focusing instead on Hardy's acting chops!
It actually makes more sense this way. It would have been a much more interesting story if this clone was an attempt to supplant Picard in every way. Kind of like Hush to Bruce Wayne.
I thought so, too. Shinzon should have looked more like Jean-Luc Picard.
Looks great, adds more validity to the story. Always bothered how we were supposed to believe Shinzon is a clone just because he and Picard are bald. Stupid bald stereotyping.
Shinzon is supossed to be younger.
JUST DON'T
Honestly, they should've just done this for the very initial reveal of his face. For just a second coming out of the shadow. As if it was just the lighting that made him look older and like Jean Luc, another step into the light and hes Tom Hardy. I know it's 2002 but just literally shoot Patrick Stewart in the dark, hide some of the age with make up, do a shadow cut, it would've worked.
your best one yet imo, nice job
That takes it to a whole other level of disturbing.
This is great, I love it! I actually really liked this movie, but the one thing that really took me out of it was that I never bought that Shinzon was Picard. In fact, when I first saw it, I thought he was Wesley Crusher! 😂
Have you seen those videos where they replace a person's voice with a synthesized one? It's like a deepfake for voices. I say we replace the face AND voice with Patrick Stewart's and apply it to the entire film.
It'd be a whole lot cheaper than what HBO is spending to complete the Snyder Cut of Justice League!
Thanks and stay tuned, more Star Trek deepfakes will be posted soon.
I once had a dream where I met an evil version of myself he said If u can defeat me then u are free to leave but if I defeat u. Then this dream is ur home and I take ur place in the real world. Its weird having a dream like that I must have won because I am still here
"I can't fight who I am" :D
It's been said before, but why, oh why didn't they use deepfake technology to make Jean-Luc's Romulan clone look more like Patrick Stewart?
I just watch some of your older stuff, your skill is definitely improving.
Ok thats freaky as fcuk, nice work
That would make the whole movie much better if his "clone" actually looked like this.
Because i somehow STRONGLY dislike the original actors face... and he looks like nothing like Picard (expect being bold)
I agree. This was one of Tom Hardy's first roles, and he done some fine work since, But I think the director could have found a better way to portray Jean-Luc Picard's clone. Deep-learning is relatively new in the VFX world, I'm not sure if this technique was available when the movie was made.
@@DeepHomage this movie was made in 2001, of course it wasn't available hahaha
Never seen this show and I only saw one tiny tiny glitch good production
This movie kind of sucked, but you should definitely watch Star Trek!
apparently Romulan cloning also makes the clone exactly the same age as the person it cloned. 🙄
Notice the ears are different? Two different people. That is a real clone
There is an in movie explanation for it. Shinzon was supposed to be age accelerated but wasn’t. Hence why his dna started breaking down and he started dying
Nice job
when you realize the actor of shinzon played Bane and Eddie Brock, Shinzon should've used venom as a trump card against picard
Haha. The story behind the casting was interesting. This was Tom Hardy's first big role, and he was very upset that the movie flopped at the box office. He's gone on to bigger and better roles since playing Shinzon.
“Just the two of us. Or should I say…just the ONE of us?”
“What is that, clone humor?”
I think the writers/producers were trying very hard to drop hints that Shinzon was a clone, probably because the resemblance between Hardy and Stewart wasn't very good. I read that Hardy used face prosthetics to try to look more like Picard. I think deepfake/VFX could have done better.
@@DeepHomage Oh, I agree. They really should’ve just used Patrick. I don’t even buy Hardy as a young Picard.
PS-my comment was a Star Wars reference. 😛 Zeb to Rex in Rebels.
@@SFisher1993, one day I'll do a Star Wars/Star Trek crossover video to rile up both fanbases.
@@DeepHomage I’ll watch it. 🤷♂️ I’m a huge fan of both!
Shinzon looks too old.
Maybe you could've used some of the "Dune" or "Excalibur"footage of Patrick Stewart as a template.
TNG came out just a few years after Dune. 🤷
@@patreekotime4578 this film came out 15 years after TNG started
Star trek nemesis shinzon version of Patrick stewart look good in the shinzon place like Captain Jean luc Picard the clone should be in the DVD or Blu-ray too.
awesome!
Blurry face or not, Shinzon looks awesome in this video. :¬)
This would be better with a younger version of Patrick Stewart for the Deep fake.
From Dune would be perfect.
They could have gotten around that little problem by incorporating the fact that Shinzon was engineered to skip 30 years of his life. He could have looked that old by this time because of that. The whole "Shinzon gotta get Picard" thing could have been explained away by just simply stating that if Shinzon didn't, he would die.. which is what the issue was anyway.
Bjayzl could have been a clone of Deanna Troi, too! // Picard, Episode 5
It's frankly astonishing they had an actress who was a dead ringer for younger Marina Sirtis and decided to throw her away on a one episode villain they immediately killed.
Stewart can be found on film in Civilisation made in 1969 age 29, Fall of Eagles as Lenin but has a moustache and beard in 1974 age 35 and as Sejanus in I Claudius from 1976 age 37 so finding a better version shouldn't be too difficult.
In fact Timothy Dalton who shares a strong resemblance to Stewart could be used as he was about 24 in 1970 when he played Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights.
Just the one of us? shows up as Locutus WE WILL ALL BECOME ONE WITH THE BORG,
Shinzon looks a little old doesn't he? You could have used younger images of Patrick from Dune or TNG Season One.
I've been asking people to deepfake this for a while, now it is a reality!
I welcome suggestions, especially for Star Trek-related deepfakes.
@@DeepHomage What about Into Darkness but with Ricardo Montalban?
@@TheWaffleman54, I'm working on it, stay tuned. The lens flares and extreme face close-ups in Into Darkness make deepfaking difficult.
@@DeepHomage Aw shucks lol. I look forward to it when it's done.
wish they chose a younger version of Stewart for the deepfake.
Also, why did they think young picard had to be bald? He wasn't in tapestries.
Nor was he in Bevery's memories in Violations, he still had plenty of hair on top when Jack Crusher was killed.
yes! now he finally looks like fucking twin
Now thats creepy.
would've been so much better had they done that..
Check out the new extended version: th-cam.com/video/tcIHD26w3b0/w-d-xo.html
That is soooooo freaky
Imagine if they updated the movie with this kind of deepfake technology. Say a rerelease of Nemesis.
Wow if they just had Patrick Stewart cast as Shinzon... and get rid of the whole temporal RNA bullshit... this movie would have been night and day better
Can you detail your tool chain?
I used this open-source project: github.com/deepfakes/faceswap and no other post-processing software.
Picard: I forgot how much my ears stuck out when I was younger XD
The shape of the inner ear is not the same to totally different ear shape proves that is a real clone.
Tom hardy would be an amazing kelvin timeline Picard
Steven, there was speculation that Tom Hardy could be cast as a young Jran-Luc: redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2020/11/16/tom-hardy-makes-much-sense-young-jean-luc-picard
Needed to use a younger version of Picard. Like from the Dune movie as someone below suggested. Also Data needs the version of Data from TNG 7th season
Believe me, I did try to use a younger version of Patrick Stewart, from "I, Claudius," but the quality of the face video simply wasn't good enough. I looked at "Dune," too but Stewart had a beard and that would have caused issues for the model.
@@DeepHomage Hmm, interesting. The job was great dude, it's just that Shinzon is suposed to be a younger Picard, but he looks just as old as Patrick in this clip.
You couldn't have based it on young Pat Stew?
Trust or no trust
The blurred face took me out of the scene completely, and I hate that it did because I hoped for so much out of this. My immediate thought is "I wonder what Ctrl Shift Face could have done with it". :(
The blurriness is on me, I didn't do any post-processing in After Effects. What deepfake would you like to see?
@@DeepHomage off the top of my head, Looper with Joseph Gordon Levitt replaced with young (Moonlighting-era?) Bruce Willis.
@@LiamMonticelli , thanks, will put on my to-do list
While you at it you could make Cybill look cute again ;D
Younger version might have gone over better
Watched this film again yesterday and felt it has aged very well. Pretty good trek entry. But I immediately thought about Deepfake. Had the tech been then as it is now a processed Picard face, de-aged so he looks much younger, would work much better but this shows how that could have been. As the film is the match isn't terrible it just isn't quite right. Lips too big, etc. The video here isn't either imho.
I liked Star Trek: Nemesis, which is why I did this video two and one-half years ago. As to the video not being quite right, that's a reflection of the state of the technology back in 2019. I did an updated, longer version which you can see here: th-cam.com/video/tcIHD26w3b0/w-d-xo.html. I read an interesting rumor that Tom Hardy as Shinzon might return in Season 2 of Star Trek: Picard: wegotthiscovered.com/movies/paramount-reportedly-tom-hardy-star-trek-universe/. Perhaps Paramount will use deep-learning or hire a deepfake artist like myself this time around.
@@DeepHomage hey the update looks much better! Superb in fact. Better than what is in the movie. Nice job! I searched for this and it gave me the older one. I tell ya, if they need someone they should hire you. I'm still going through NG, will start DS9 once I reach the place it originally aired while NG was. Later Voyager, etc. So it's slow going. Most of these I have never seen. 60% of NG, 95% of DS9 and 100% of Voyager/Enterprise/etc I'll be seeing for the first time.
I'm actually got a DS 9 video on my to-do list, but I won't spoil the surprise. Star Trek is rich with possibilities.
Patrick Stewart should have been younger. They still look very close in age! They should have got Patrick Stewart's younger face off the movie Dune!
I'm flattered that you think this video was made by a group of artists, but it was just one guy, me. I thought about Dune, but PatStew had a beard in that movie, and the face footage was not good. As one commenter said, PatStew has never looked really young. If you want to see him with hair, I'd recommend renting "I, Claudius," where he plays Sejanus. Sadly, that footage was VHS-quality and not usable for swapping.
Seriously. Why did you have to deepfake this clip? It was an awesome seen as it was
Stacey, as much as I admired Tom Hardy's performance as Shinzon of Remus (and his work other movies, too), I thought something was missing in "Star Trek:Nemesis." Jean-Luc Picard's clone should have looked more like Jean-Luc Picard.
This dude gave me serious Kylo Ren vibes. Am I the only one?
You mean Tom Hardy? He more gives me Bane and Venom vibes.
Let the deepfake render for another couple days. Its too blurry. Also, should have referenced younger footage of Stewart.
This video is from Sept. 2019. I'm planning to re-do it with a younger Patrick Stewart, the computer models have gotten better. Stay tuned.
@@DeepHomage Awesome.
How about replacing Data in star trek Picard with the Data from TNG?
I'm working on that idea, stay tuned.
Here it is: th-cam.com/video/bqyDAoIq7po/w-d-xo.html
Use him in DUNE!!! To get it younger
Or does it not work that way?
I considered "Dune" (Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck) but there weren't enough "young" and usable faces from "Dune." It takes thousands of faces, from several movies, to train a model.
This movie is 10000 times better than std and stp combined.
Which is a very low bar :)
Be sure to check out the new 2021 extended version of Picard as Shinzon: th-cam.com/video/tcIHD26w3b0/w-d-xo.html
Should have used a younger Patrick Stuart, there are loads of him in Dune or Excalibur
In Dune he looks exactly like in TNG.
Like not one day has passed.
@@ChristianIce he is getting on a bit now though :)
@@timrichmond5226
:)
Props for the effort, but this one is begging to be redone. There's so much existing footage of young Patrick Stewart that there's no reason this shouldn't look at least 10x better.
It has been redone: th-cam.com/video/tcIHD26w3b0/w-d-xo.html. At the risk of repeating myself, there is footage of young Patrick Stewart (in "I Claudius") and a young (but bearded) Stewart in "Dune." There's a lot of footage alright, but it's DVD or VHS quality or worse, and not really suitable for training a computer model.
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The LGBT version of Picard.
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Good attempt but far from perfect.
Good idea, but wrong size face and wrong age, bro. Nice effort, though.
There's an extended version here: th-cam.com/video/tcIHD26w3b0/w-d-xo.html.
Doesn't work for me - the face is ever slightly too big. It looks a bit like he's wearing a cardboard Picard mask in front of his face
I don't expect everyone to like these videos, but there is a new extended version the video here, if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/tcIHD26w3b0/w-d-xo.html.
out of focus deep fake
The voice ruins it.