I absolutely agree with this. The only thing is the “I don’t know anyone who would beat a dog for fun.” We rescued a gsd when I was younger, we went to a park with a creek, and this lady had her gsd standing in the water and her and a bunch of kids were throwing rocks and cans at him and he was just standing there. Then she walked over to her car when we parked and we went and told her her dog was beautiful and she was like “thanks do you want to take him for a walk?” So we were like sure?? We walked him on a trail and when we came back she was gone. So we kinda had no choice but to keep him. Poor boy got scared so easily but he was such a sweetheart, and he lived with us until he was an old man. So there sadly are people who will harm animals for fun
I also have to disagree with how much and genetics matters with temperament (90%) and experience being only 10%. The fact of the matter is, humans have more influence than just whether or not they beat a dog. Training matters SO much with any working breed or intelligent breed. They need so much mental and physical stimulation to be happy and have good temperament. This guy makes it sound a bit like if your dog has issues, that it’s most likely the genetics’ fault. Experience does not = training. I’ve even met inexperienced dog owners take on a GSD and bond amazingly with it and give it a great and fulfilling life because they researched it, trained it every day, and excersized it regularly. Excersize, training and research should be stressed over genetics. This guy also makes a mistake praising breeders so much. You’re kidding me if you think the German showline German Shepherds are just fine with those arched backs compared to a much more natural spine. Humans mess around with nature and then want to act like they’re in charge of what’s a good dog or bad, forgetting that the dog didn’t breed itself. Shame on him when he called the American show GSD a bad dog. Call out the BREEDERS, not the poor dog. If a dog is a rescue GSD, hats off to that. Don’t shame the dog, shame breeders is all I’m sayin’. Peace out and love your dogs, whatever type they are. They deserve good lives. Humans rock when they take care of dogs’ needs-end of story.
You absolutely wonderful person ❤ ive had a woman hit my Staffordshire bull terrier, and my cousins Greyhound with her handbag, because they walked behind her whilst she was sitting in a dog park, idiot. Again my Staffie has been hit by another woman because I walked past her, shes nearly been kicked when she went to say hello to a man reading his newspaper, he called the police on me saying i couldn't have her off leash and took photos of her! Then walked out the park, when the police arrived i still had her off leash and called her to a heal and then sent her to the officers which she gladly did with wagging tail all officers bent down to give her lots of love and attention!! Then told me they were not going to report this and that some people just don't like dogs. But really some people don't deserve dogs, so glad your boy found his rightfull home. Ive had 3 staffies all rescues, my nan has had 12 Italian greyhounds all rescues and now has a little crossbreed shes 88! And fitter than me! Seriously though you're story really touched me, as a German shepherd is a breed id love to have, plus i work with dogs as a living!
Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1_veP7CApJK_GWy_TczaMciuG64PqJeU and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
Rofl thats the 4mo old that I adopted now. 😂 This dog jumped back a few feet and ran away yelping like he was injured just at the sight of my cat... running away from him. He went to a corner, peed all over himself and was shaking. I've owned several GSD over my years but this one is all "chicken". Lol funny though, if chickens were larger, humans would be in trouble. They're actually brutal and ballsy things accounting for size.
Respect your opinion man. Just saying objectively as a fact-checker; German shepherds weren’t originally bred as service dogs/police dogs (as this man indicates). They were originally bred as their namesake indicates; as shepherd dogs for livestock. I think knowing this can clarify the personality traits of some non-“bred” dogs i.e. pure rescue GSD or “farm dog” or European GSD. He kind of glosses over the fact that they had other jobs besides K9-type work.
Lol yeah because an police that handles k9s know so much about genetics and breeding. You act like you are the gate keeper of knowledge of the breed or something you're just a cop bro pipe down.
K9 officers use Belgian Malinois's they stopped using gsds about 10 years ago. Malinois's have better endurance,easier to train,faster and easier to transport. A 80lb Mali will out perform a 120lb gsd
@@westonrountreeyou’re really making a lot of assumptions about this former officer’s background and credentials. It seems you’re biased against the fact he’s a former law enforcement officer.
My 4 month old GSD is from a breeder of only working dogs. She has a very high drive, intensely active and has definitely worried me about being more than I can handle. But she is the type of dog I wanted. Listening and learning from you has helped me handle her better. I really appreciate all your videos.
Same for mine today he literally jumped on other dogs like they were playing football i had to calm him down he is 4 months old. Last time we went to the park he was super sweet guess he got comfortable -_____-". High i mean high drive ive had 3 german shephard and he is the craziest one !!
Be sure to excersize her lots and keep her busy. The last thing you want is a bored dog. Kudos for looking into the breeder. But just letting you know, excersize is key to proper temperament/mood. Hire a dog jogger if you need to, but absolutely make sure her excersize is met.
I consider myself smart: for the sake of wanting a GSD but knowing that a working line would never be satisfied with me, I have gone with a German Showline. Couldn't be happier!
@@xxllbb55 Because working lines magically have better hips? Duh. Good hips come from breeders getting hips certified prior to breeding. There are plenty of WL breeders that don't do that. I've seen pitbulls, labs and doodles with moderate to severe hip dysplasia.
Sorry, for my bad english. Please be patient: 10:48 Here in Germany, alot of breeders are still working their German Shepherd. Probably all of them are organised in the "VDH". The VDH is an association, that ensures breeding standards, by controlling the studs and dams for health and character. There you'll find the serious and "offical" breeders. However, they are serious about choosing their "clients" too: You need to know, that the demand for "official" puppies in Germany is higher, than what the breeders can "deliver". As an official breeder, you may only have puppies three times a year, to avoid multiplying for profit. That is why breeders dont need to sell their dogs, at sight. They can choose, whom they are selling to, carefully. E.g. GSP's (like mine) are sold to hunters, only. They have such a strong prey drive and will to work, they are not made for laying on the couch half a day. Its almost animal abuse and they will start crawling up the walls, pretty soon. Normally, you have to visit a breeder several times, so that he gets to know you. None of them will sell a puppy at the first meeting. The better the pedigree, the longer the list they can choose from, from all the people being interested. A puppy costs about $1.200 - $1.800. There are 10.000s of breeders being a member of the german "VDH". However, every 5th household in Germany owns a dog and the most favourite breed in Germany is.. ofc the *German* Shepherd. The VDH is a non profit organization and its main goal is to ensure "health", "character" and "original looks" of breeds, in that order. www.vdh.de/ (The english version doesnt even offer the possibility to search for breeders and if you wanted to export one of these dogs to a foreign country, you need to do alot of paperwork) -- Apart from that, you'll find breeders in the newspapers, etc. A puppy costs around 500$. About none of those meet the pedigree standards and the controlling of the VDH. Those may be the family dogs, you are talking of. In Europe, most money is made with: 1. Weapons 2. Drugs 3. Dogs Espescially in eastern europe (Poland, Czech, Romania, etc..)alot of dogs are just bred to breed. They never see light and when they cannot give birth anymore, they get wasted.
Great job illuminating the bad human side of dog breeding. A GSD/Malinois cross is better off than a poorly bred, inbred pure GSD. It’s not all in the certifications or name; it’s got a lot to do with breeder irresponsibility, buyer irresponsibility, and owners giving inadequate mental/physical stimulation and training. This guy isn’t wrong but he could certainly clarify some things, as he did with his one edited sub-caption.
I thoroughly researched my dog and his lineage before I got him. His parents are both imported. Ma is East German tan/silver sable, 85 pounds big boned lady. Dad is Czech and is darker, has the wolf mask and 105 pounds. My dog was the darker puppy of the litter. He and his litter mates were enormous. He is 75 pounds at 6 months. Lean, muscular and eager to work. I’m training him for personal protection. But you should see him with my HF Autistic son. This dog melts when he sees him. Without training as a youngster he would sleep at the foot of my bed facing the door. He is always looking out for us. His nature has won over my whole family. Even my dog hating Ma 😂 brings him toys, treats and gets down on his level to tell him “Nannie loves you”😂 However. He naturally is extremely protective since 4 months. He is distrustful of men. I think because im a female. When he sees one he stands diagonally in front of me and stiffen up, very alert. He will not move from this position until they are out of sight.
I picked up a show line from a woman who had to move from a bad living situation. I have two sons with ASD, and my WL GSD is alert as can be when anyone else is around them and my wife. He seems to have an issue with full beards (probably because I can't grow one) but never a nervous or timid reaction. Very confident and sometimes he has a little too much energy for my boys 🤣. I hope your buddy is around for you and your boy for a long time. 😀
I ended up with a German show line… great looking, deep red and tan… not a lot of drive which surprised me a bit, and he was a bit reactive, but we got over that with training. Great video!
I got one because I wanted a calmer dog, lol not what I got, she's like a malinios. Fine though, she's good motivation, got back into IGP, does herding, agility, obedience , awesome all around dog.
Any litter is going to have puppies with a range of diff personalities and temperaments. Some will be calm, some super active, some more curious, some more independent, etc.
I've had several GSD over the years. Most turned out to be highly adaptable after 2 years of age or so. Like... I'm sick and laying on the couch, they're happy to veg out with me all day. Have a party the next day? Down to party and have a good time. Never really had to worry about the high energy stuff as they matured. Had a few that weren't fixed and they never marked in the house either. Very adaptable and trainable dogs.
Family/pet line GSDs have totally won my heart. My 7yo male is an absolute angel, with just the right amount of energy and protective drive for a daily companion. I'm not tracking the issues you mentioned about pet line breeders, however. I inspected 3 breeders in my local area before pulling the trigger, all of which seemed to have fine stock and puppies. I ended up going with the most pet-oriented breeder with excellent results.
Great video, you're so right on point. As a gift I had gotten a beautiful male Show line GSD, who was a bundle of nerves and very insecure no matter the amount of training or sensory exposure. Years later I adopted a 3 yr old black Working Line male GSD who had 2 male owners prior to myself. He was on the verge of being put down due to his apparent aggression. I didn't think he would respect or bond with me as I am a soft spoken petite female who weighed about the same as he did. Turns out he was not aggressive but a very self confident, highly intelligent boy who wouldn't hesitate to put a human in it's place in order to protect. He loved kids. I got rid of the prong collar and little me was able to get this big boy to heel beside me perfectly. I used to run with him on trails and even when we confronted a bear, his confidence and self assurance was right there. No nerves, he always made me feel safe because he was so mentally stable and handled every situation like a "Boss". I will never forget him and will be forever grateful to have had the honour of being his person. There was a huge difference between my Show Line and my Working Line to the point where they didn't seem like the same breed. Thank you again for your honest and informative video!
Ma'am. I've seen your situation many times. You just happened to get a show line dog that was flawed and not a good representative animal of any lines. Being a professional breeder like in Germany, doesn't guarantee that every single dog is a good representation of the breed. Show or working lines. They both have the possibility of a bad puppy. That's why you should visit different breeders and the one that you like more than once. Learn how to evaluate a puppy especially for your purposes with them. I think that it's irresponsible for anyone in almost anything to take the action of one or two dogs and make that work you think that line does. Find somebody reputable, knowledgeable, and check on the dogs lineage and if the breeder breeds for healthy dogs or not. I have seen dogs from both German lines and have seen a dog here or there that has major problems. And the so-called American German shepherds you couldn't pay me to take one! There's absolutely no restrictions other than they have paper! So anybody who has a male and a female can just slap them together and sell the puppies for money! And probably 90% of The offspring are just terrible dogs. If you get a dog from Germany or responsibility in the states of German lines you will notice a difference right away! And also the public or the want to be owners aren't always educated and they believe whatever a breeder wants to tell them in order to sell them a puppy! So I hope that you and other people of his opinion and concern would recognize there are bad apples everywhere. You should really get involved to see which line you would best fit with and understand! I wish you and any other owner the best! If you get a proper German Shepherd there is nothing else like it!
I know this video is old, but I had to comment on choosing breeders who have working line dogs who sell them to families to be used as pets. This happened to my husband and I - we got a Dutch shepherd without really knowing enough about the breed and ended up needing to rehome him because of fear, aggression, and extreme reactivity. I own that we did not do enough research on the breed- in fact, after looking at TH-cam videos on this breed it was then that I realized we may have made a mistake. Looking back though, I wish the breeder would have been up front and honest with us that this breed does not make a great family pet- which was what we were clear about when we had spoken with them. Thankfully we were able to rehome our dog back to the breeder, but it would have saved us from a lot of heartache.
In Switzerland all german shepherds are REQUIRED to be titled in either IGP or Rescue work. Doesn‘t matter if show ir working line. German showlines here can work.
This is a fantastic video. I've learned so much from you. In the future, when I send puppies home with their new families, I'll be telling them to watch your channel! Keep up the hard work and keep spittin those facts!
I have a white working line German Shepard and he is fantastic. Even at 10 weeks old loud noises ,fireworks ,storms , machinery noise did not faze him at all. Lots of energy, lots of drive and super calm in the house. Very receptive to training and always follows commands. He is a perfect example of what a GSD should be , and he’s white
He is an exception to the rule, and there's nothing wrong with that. This video didn't go into much detail about the white gsds, but as a matter of fact, people who owned white dogs started their own dog shows over fifty years ago, due to the fact that the AKC has never allowed white dogs to compete in show. So they started their own show circuit. White gsds are always directly related to these show dogs. There are not any working line GSDS who have white close up in their bloodlines. You would have to go back to the original first few dogs to find the white color in a gsd.( associated with working line dogs.) I should add that these are all American show line dogs.
@Makado14 the breeder I went to said to get white it has bad bloodlines? Not sure if that is true or not, but have now had a couple breeders tell me that? I liked the look of all white and pure black. They didn't have anything bad to say about pure black only pure white. Not sure how much truth there is to what they said
Wow the accuracy… this man knows his stuff. My dog is a working line sold as a family pet and he has all the anxiety and reactivity issues you say. I started doing bite work / search work and he’s become so much more obedient.
Cant agree more about the nerves deal. I bought a backyard scared puppy who I have successfully turned around significantly however there is a certain amount of unreasonable uncertainty that she may carry with her the rest of her life. Most people will not have the time and resources to deal with this in a dog.
I'll 2nd that. I've had backyard dogs for years, but with 30 years of dog ownership experience (including 2 papered show-line GSDs) & basic vet skills, so I can spot a decent dog in a litter, I always like confidence and engagement to be shown because they will take to training easier and where I live is very busy so a nervous dog would just be a nightmare for us and with us having adhd too, it wouldn't work cos we have a burst of energy just like the dogs do (works well when they sync).
If you don't listen to any of the truths this guy's speaking, then watch the dogs. How they each react to just sitting there confirm everything he says. Working line that's over it and wants to do stuff, generally chill show line that could do something or not, and the skittish pet/and or American show line. Excellent examples and great video.
In Germany we devide in Langhaar and Stockhaar . Owning a working line German Shepard I l last week went to a show competition last week. Not surprisingly me dog was on the last position for not walking elegantly enough. Nevertheless I love the working line. This dog has a lot of power an intelligenz!
I love my working line. She is not just a beautiful black sable coloring but, she has great functional structure. She has always been great around humans and other animals of all ages. She can keep up with me when we need to go all day, yet she will also cuddle with me on the couch. I definitely found my perfect type of dog. Only working lines for me!
I had the opportunity to meet most of the siblings of my working line's litter. My dog just really stood out to me. I specifically told the breeder I DID NOT want one of the most dominant in the pack, but I wanted a confident dog. That's what stood out most the first time I encountered this pup. The breeder kept & trained the pups until 16 weeks old. I met my pup when the breeder was teaching loose leash walking shortly after shots. The pup was unflappable around other dogs, distractions, just very calm, no fear. I KNEW he was THE ONE. When I met the rest of the litter, my boy and to a slightly lesser extent one girl were the most social with me, most responsive to me on a short walk. My boy was jumping on me after the walk. His sire is not particularly affectionate but loves to work. His mother is a working Service Dog. My boy and I are super bonded, he's neutral to other people, but so affectionate with me. ❤ Dog.
I have a mix of German/American bicolor that structurally looks closest to the third dog shown in this video but the breeder has a high standard and care for the dogs (health/temper/drive) that they produce/provide and I’ve never had a better GSD/dog in general in my life! She’s lazy when we want her to be but when it’s time to get up and go she’s ready. She has zero quirks, problems, behavioral issues and I couldn’t have been more blessed I trained her basics because she’s smart and I dread the days she won’t be with us anymore. Good thing I got her from a breeder who consistently breeds puppies that grow into the best dogs and every family that has gotten one from her has confirmed with hundreds and hundreds of reviews and testimony 20+ years of experience and third generation family business and breeding.
I'd like to add my WG showline is great at IGP , high drive, high energy to boot, is great with other dogs and people and other animals. I know she's the exception not the rule but love her so much. I joke she identifies as a malinios.
She has good German show line breeding. All GSDS go back to the original west german working lines. The better bred German show line dogs, still retain many of the qualities of a working line dog. As a gsd owner and worshipper, PLEASE don't ever compare her to a Malinois!!! 😁
Only but is you can't go to the dog park. It's fun to see your dog run around with other dogs. And you chat a bit with the other owners or not. I don't want a dog I can't introduce to dogs or kids.
@@freddyfox5002 my dog is doing well with my kids with other kids and strangers not very friendly. I trained my dog as our family protection dog not the type of dog that anybody can pet except me and my family members If you like a dog that is friendly to stranger and enjoy running around with other dogs in the park while you can enjoy talking to the other dogs' owner then you better get golden retriever or Labrador. Each breed was bred for specific different purpose.
Great video with great information. My preference is show line (less hyper, very pretty). I did my homework and got a West German Showline from a reputable breeder that breeds for workability in their dogs. Parents were tested for hips, elbows, DM, and have great temperaments. So far, my pup has a very stable friendly temperament, obedient, no fear issues, food and toy drive (great for training). Should make a great service dog.
Agreed im waiting for my west German showline, people want WORKING LINE just because it's COOL. Its Like.. "Wow you have working line GSD 😮😮 you must be very strong person" Lol... Or for protection "watch my working line GSD bite you..😂😂" like really? People should consider working line if they live in apartement or small house with small backyard and working 9 to 5.
@@camelred9118 Ridiculous! German Shepherd is a working dog! Show dogs and show breeders have weaken the genetic code of the breed. It is not the dog it used to be! Congratulations show people😖
You are completely right about nervy - this is no.1 issue. Temperament has been the most important feature of decent GSD Breeders even back in the 70’s in UK. I have two rehomes- love ‘me, but they have been such hard work - the reality is a lot of time, money and effort.
Out of all the videos I've viewed, YOU make the most sense on the different Lines of German Shepherd Dogs. I like the fact that you broke it down to only Thee categories, make a lot of sense. I'm not ready to purchase my dog just yet, though I've narrowed down to the German Shepherd Dog Breed, and favoring The Working Line, still have a lot more research to do. thanks for this informational videos...
Excellent explanation! Anyone considering becoming a first time GSD owner should definitely watch this. There are so many misconceptions in the general public regarding GSD'S and so little understanding - some people just want a German Shepherd- they don't consider temperament and training. Thank you again for being willing to share your knowledge and experience!
Temperament is mostly depending on training + exercise. Then again, training + exercise can’t fix inbreeding. GSD owners need to keep in mind that it’s mainly their actions + their bond with the dog that influences temperament and well being.
You really lay it out w/o being bias or crapping on the other lines. Great video for those wondering! My family used to trail working confirmation dogs. I just picked one up from a breeder in TX. Father was IPO 3 and Mother was IPO2 Great looking dogs, that also have drive and work! Family dog for us, but I do love the hard core working lines.
Thank you. This really helps me. I believe that my heart dog, who was a rescue, was from German show lines or at least a mix, but heavily German show lines. He was found wandering around Las Vegas. He has a great temperament. He passed from cancer and I have wanted to get one like him, but didn’t know where to start not having his pedigree.
My sister has a chihuahua that is super skittish and darts around like a dog that was "beat". He never was, that's just how he is. I have his sister though and she's supper confident unless she comes across a large farm animal. She's not around them usually so she's unsure of them. Also she's 6 lbs and people ask me all the time if she's a "teacup" chihuahua. I usually just tell them that it's a term coined by byb and that the ideal weight for a chihuahua based on breed standards is between 2 and 6 lbs. They can be bigger as long they are proportionate but "teacup" chihuahuas aren't real. It's a way for a byb to get top dollar for a pup that is going to be the correct weight but usually has some form of deformity or defect that should drop the price significantly but doesn't.
My GSD can just go all day if I let him. Him and his brother. It's insane the amount of difference where you have working lines vs. show lines in the same area, doing the same thing, and see which one doesn't want to continue to do things.
Finally Someone knows what he’s talking about. Well put bro. Working line all the way I have two that i only gave basic training great family dog. Super smart, fearless confident breed
Yes. People reading your comment gotta remember human actions are just as important to the confidence of a dog as breeding. Any dog, no matter how well-bred, will be anxious without proper physical and mental stimulation. Kudos to you to providing your working-line GSDs the stimulation they need. Nobody, I repeat NOBODY, should get a working dog without being able to provide training/work/stimulation. Thanks for drilling home this point for these great dogs.
An eye opener for sure. The dog that got me sold on the breed was a hybrid. He had few of the good qualities you mentioned but we loved him until his 15th year (hybrid vigor so it's said). Such an intelligent breed always willing to learn. Looking forward to my next experience.
my brother has the pet line german Shepard and this video was very helpful because I wondered why she acted so nervous and fearful, and she's only 1 years old. I also wondered why her frame was so petite.
Very informative! Thank you. And you are 100% right about genetics. My first GSD (WGSL Coatie) was by an FCI world winner who even impressed German WL-fan surveyors with his structure, and temperament yes, but also his drive. She was versatile, confident, and needed a lot to keep her occupied. My current Coatie WGSL is a male whose father actually had decent drive, but he takes after his maternal line- He’s a big softie who bites a jute like an ear of corn, startles at frogs, but has a GREAT nose, focus, and drive for scent work and is so calm and lovely to be around as a pet and companion. Dog reactivity DID come as he matured, but with stronger handling he is getting over that. He sounds vicious when someone approaches my door, and for my purposes that’s fine 😂. I adored my strong female, but I was much younger & more active, and now, my sweet, beautiful albeit dumb August vom Haus Juris “Auggie” is perfect for my lifestyle.
I agree with you on the facts about the American showline, some professional breeder have said that the american showlines were genetically altered to have this hind angulation.
I have working lines VEOs whos dad was active LE. Their line was smuggled out of russia. He wouldnt back down against a Trex and is very large compared to most shepherds. He was heaven sent and i knew his name before i got him. Best companion ever.
The “White Swiss Shepherd” it’s foundation stock was white German Shepherd. Some people think they mixed some stuff into them, but they’re generally just a friendlier German Shepherd with slightly better nerves than family lines.
My GS has an Argentinian sire, Russian dam, both have allegedly great pedigrees, my pup is a handful at 10 weeks, he just stood his ground with a gigantic wolf dog, made me laugh out loud, just planted his sturdy little legs and barked in that giant boy’s face, no fear at all....the father seemed like a very nice dog, the mom had some grit to her. Can’t wait to see how he turns out..I’m in training already with him, both me and at a local place to me..
Your videos are a breath of fresh air. Getting my 7th GSD end of this month - working lines for sure. So much nonsense out there for novice owners and bad breeders. Good job on breaking it down. I'm new to your videos. I won't be breeding but I also won't spay/neuter until growth plates are well established - minimum 2 years. Do you have a video on that? There is a ridiculous push to do this before maturity in the US. Most boarding kennels want it done before they will board here and the vets push it too.
This video made me nostalgic. I had a male working line from a police dog breeder ( I'm not a police officer though ) that looked exactly like yours, except for the head and ears, that were much darker. I can only confirm what you say about them, I had mine doing dog-agility and I'd take long walks every day where I included playing / searching for a ball, a stick, or simply running back and forth, which he found to be fun I think. Never had an issue with biting or other nervous behavior. Just a great dog and a friend, who's deeply missed now.
Here in EU we divide GSD into beauty and working line. I have had both. And from my experience, their character, courage, defensiveness were the same. Even the energy level was the same. The biggest difference was the health levels. Even with all the pedigree certificates, the beauty line ones always ended up with some kind of health sensitivity. Anyway, GSD are my favourite dogs ever! Edited to add we always had dogs in our farm. Meaning, kind of companion/defense dogs. I have no clue how to have a GSD in a small city apartment :D
A heart of a chicken I love that! In the old days in the UK we had some very good West German working lines imported for work sadly they have all gone.
We have had German Shepherds for over 40 years. Here in Sweden, dogs are really expensive. Which is good. An expensive dog is well taken care of, not let out on the street because the owner got tired of it. The last one we bought cost 25,000 Swedish krona = 3,065.80 Canadian dollars. He is almost all black, square working dog. He is trained in protection, tracks and of course obedience, otherwise other training will not work.😁
You nailed it on the mix of Show and Working or it could be Pet and Working or a combination of the 3. Got an 18 mo old rescue GSD 2 months ago. I’m her 4th owner and lucky for her, she was at a good GSD rescue..for a long time. She’s a Panda with papers that appears to be German stud lines and American whatever lines in the Panda bitch 🤔 My girl knew nothing when I got her, not even fully housebroken. Definitely unusual looking but she had a curious, cautionary and nice disposition and she wasn’t reactive when we brought out our young Pitbull so I brought her home. She learned how to play ball the first week when she saw one of our other dogs do it, she was pretty easy to housebreak and she’s is a fairly quick learner of French Ring and English commands, she’s not consistent yet but getting there. She learned how to play tug this week and dragged me all around the yard..omg..what DRIVE! My husband and I take turns playing ball and she is nearly impossible to tire out for more than half an hour, we LOVE IT. We’re retired (old..lol) and she is a joy to play with. She’d never been socialized so I put her in beginner obedience…ohhh…those first few weeks were painful as she exhibited zero food drive and mentally shut down. Sigh..I was worried, BUT this past week she was acting like a much more secure dog 😮and remembered commands for the first half anyway and did take some food. So I disagree when you say lack of socialization doesn’t play a role, it does. She is a mix of all 3 of your dogs in this video, it’s amazing to see this. I will eventually know what percentage of her fear is hereditary and how much is lack of socialization and I will let you know..lol. I’m working in my class with a long time breeder of working lines who gently said I may be disappointed that I don’t have the dog I’d like to have for ring work. Heck, I’m an old lady who’s never done it before, it will be a freaking miracle if we both are even allowed to enter a beginner class 🤣🤣 the point of my long comment is to say, I appreciate how you are educating the public on breeding the best, it’s important for all dogs and other animals, I also like how you break down the differences so we can ultimately work with what we have when we rescue a poorly bred but deserving GSD and make that dog the best he or she can be. Can’t speak for anyone else but my rescue GSD girl is worth it!
The show line doesn't even have much of a roach back. It looks good enough. I saw some showline which literally looks like a frog and can't even walk properly.
I actually watched the whole video! Straight talk, even though the "pet line" was a new one. Also the pet line dog on the right does really not look like a typical show winner American show line GSD. Anyways, we have had a Belgian tervueren, two German show line and one Swiss white shepherd previously (plus a bunch of others, and a dozen cats), but the working line (mostly West German lineage) female puppy, now 13 months, is on another level. She is lightning fast, sharp, driven ball of energy, but also obedient and sweet around small children. We got her from one of the most respected working line breeders with 7 generation breeding history and the highest percentage of healthy hips and shoulders of any breeder here. Only females are sold to families, males go to government work, and buyers are throughly vetted out, 3 puppies were available and 14 families were in line to buy them. We had to visit the breeder and interact with their quite intimidating male dogs to see how we handle grown up work line dogs and how they react to us. We passed! We now do basic obedience training with her, along with search and rescue, tracking and earthquake rescue. If she passes the required exams she will have two litters with the breeder's choice of sire. She is The Dog.
This was very helpful. I've raised and trained labrador Retrievers all my life. Looking now for a German Shepard for myself. Working dog is what I want. Recently retired and moving to the mountains and like to have a great buddy with some brains. With labs...they are su h great companions. Always will have one till I leave this life. Trained them in obedience and hunt test. CKC AHK.HRC.
Thank you for such an informative video! I have a pet german shepherd mix that I rescued that I love very much. But my dream is to get a solid black working line one day so I am learning about them as much as possible now and preparing with as much training of my dogs now. Love all your videos!
I absolutely agree with this. The only thing is the “I don’t know anyone who would beat a dog for fun.” We rescued a gsd when I was younger, we went to a park with a creek, and this lady had her gsd standing in the water and her and a bunch of kids were throwing rocks and cans at him and he was just standing there. Then she walked over to her car when we parked and we went and told her her dog was beautiful and she was like “thanks do you want to take him for a walk?” So we were like sure?? We walked him on a trail and when we came back she was gone. So we kinda had no choice but to keep him. Poor boy got scared so easily but he was such a sweetheart, and he lived with us until he was an old man. So there sadly are people who will harm animals for fun
Sad? If I saw that, well, let's just say that would be the last time they did that.
Thats sad
wow... unbelievable. Thank goodness you came along just at the right moment and saved that dog .
I also have to disagree with how much and genetics matters with temperament (90%) and experience being only 10%. The fact of the matter is, humans have more influence than just whether or not they beat a dog. Training matters SO much with any working breed or intelligent breed. They need so much mental and physical stimulation to be happy and have good temperament. This guy makes it sound a bit like if your dog has issues, that it’s most likely the genetics’ fault. Experience does not = training. I’ve even met inexperienced dog owners take on a GSD and bond amazingly with it and give it a great and fulfilling life because they researched it, trained it every day, and excersized it regularly. Excersize, training and research should be stressed over genetics.
This guy also makes a mistake praising breeders so much. You’re kidding me if you think the German showline German Shepherds are just fine with those arched backs compared to a much more natural spine. Humans mess around with nature and then want to act like they’re in charge of what’s a good dog or bad, forgetting that the dog didn’t breed itself. Shame on him when he called the American show GSD a bad dog. Call out the BREEDERS, not the poor dog. If a dog is a rescue GSD, hats off to that. Don’t shame the dog, shame breeders is all I’m sayin’.
Peace out and love your dogs, whatever type they are. They deserve good lives. Humans rock when they take care of dogs’ needs-end of story.
You absolutely wonderful person ❤ ive had a woman hit my Staffordshire bull terrier, and my cousins Greyhound with her handbag, because they walked behind her whilst she was sitting in a dog park, idiot. Again my Staffie has been hit by another woman because I walked past her, shes nearly been kicked when she went to say hello to a man reading his newspaper, he called the police on me saying i couldn't have her off leash and took photos of her! Then walked out the park, when the police arrived i still had her off leash and called her to a heal and then sent her to the officers which she gladly did with wagging tail all officers bent down to give her lots of love and attention!! Then told me they were not going to report this and that some people just don't like dogs. But really some people don't deserve dogs, so glad your boy found his rightfull home. Ive had 3 staffies all rescues, my nan has had 12 Italian greyhounds all rescues and now has a little crossbreed shes 88! And fitter than me! Seriously though you're story really touched me, as a German shepherd is a breed id love to have, plus i work with dogs as a living!
Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games th-cam.com/users/postUgkx1_veP7CApJK_GWy_TczaMciuG64PqJeU and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!
"Big beautiful dog with the heart OF A CHIIIICKEN." That's hilarious
😂😂😂
Rofl thats the 4mo old that I adopted now. 😂 This dog jumped back a few feet and ran away yelping like he was injured just at the sight of my cat... running away from him. He went to a corner, peed all over himself and was shaking. I've owned several GSD over my years but this one is all "chicken". Lol funny though, if chickens were larger, humans would be in trouble. They're actually brutal and ballsy things accounting for size.
Sir as an ex-k9 officer I have to say you are right on point. I appreciate your video.
Respect your opinion man. Just saying objectively as a fact-checker; German shepherds weren’t originally bred as service dogs/police dogs (as this man indicates). They were originally bred as their namesake indicates; as shepherd dogs for livestock. I think knowing this can clarify the personality traits of some non-“bred” dogs i.e. pure rescue GSD or “farm dog” or European GSD. He kind of glosses over the fact that they had other jobs besides K9-type work.
Lol yeah because an police that handles k9s know so much about genetics and breeding. You act like you are the gate keeper of knowledge of the breed or something you're just a cop bro pipe down.
K9 officers use Belgian Malinois's they stopped using gsds about 10 years ago. Malinois's have better endurance,easier to train,faster and easier to transport. A 80lb Mali will out perform a 120lb gsd
@@6ft7guy the dog I retired with was a Mal. I started off with GSD. I totally agree with your statement.🐕🦺🇺🇲
@@westonrountreeyou’re really making a lot of assumptions about this former officer’s background and credentials. It seems you’re biased against the fact he’s a former law enforcement officer.
My 4 month old GSD is from a breeder of only working dogs. She has a very high drive, intensely active and has definitely worried me about being more than I can handle. But she is the type of dog I wanted. Listening and learning from you has helped me handle her better. I really appreciate all your videos.
Same for mine today he literally jumped on other dogs like they were playing football i had to calm him down he is 4 months old. Last time we went to the park he was super sweet guess he got comfortable -_____-". High i mean high drive ive had 3 german shephard and he is the craziest one !!
Be sure to excersize her lots and keep her busy. The last thing you want is a bored dog. Kudos for looking into the breeder. But just letting you know, excersize is key to proper temperament/mood. Hire a dog jogger if you need to, but absolutely make sure her excersize is met.
Showline: "Big, beautiful dogs with the heart of a chicken"😝😂🤣
I consider myself smart: for the sake of wanting a GSD but knowing that a working line would never be satisfied with me, I have gone with a German Showline. Couldn't be happier!
UNTIL THE HIPS GO !
@@msclark7583 Dah !!!!!!! " that a working line would never be satisfied with me, " well ?
@@xxllbb55 Not cool man !
@@xxllbb55 Because working lines magically have better hips? Duh. Good hips come from breeders getting hips certified prior to breeding. There are plenty of WL breeders that don't do that. I've seen pitbulls, labs and doodles with moderate to severe hip dysplasia.
Silly pup is that it in your profile? 😃
Sorry, for my bad english. Please be patient:
10:48 Here in Germany, alot of breeders are still working their German Shepherd. Probably all of them are organised in the "VDH". The VDH is an association, that ensures breeding standards, by controlling the studs and dams for health and character. There you'll find the serious and "offical" breeders. However, they are serious about choosing their "clients" too:
You need to know, that the demand for "official" puppies in Germany is higher, than what the breeders can "deliver". As an official breeder, you may only have puppies three times a year, to avoid multiplying for profit. That is why breeders dont need to sell their dogs, at sight. They can choose, whom they are selling to, carefully. E.g. GSP's (like mine) are sold to hunters, only. They have such a strong prey drive and will to work, they are not made for laying on the couch half a day. Its almost animal abuse and they will start crawling up the walls, pretty soon.
Normally, you have to visit a breeder several times, so that he gets to know you. None of them will sell a puppy at the first meeting. The better the pedigree, the longer the list they can choose from, from all the people being interested. A puppy costs about $1.200 - $1.800. There are 10.000s of breeders being a member of the german "VDH".
However, every 5th household in Germany owns a dog and the most favourite breed in Germany is.. ofc the *German* Shepherd.
The VDH is a non profit organization and its main goal is to ensure "health", "character" and "original looks" of breeds, in that order.
www.vdh.de/ (The english version doesnt even offer the possibility to search for breeders and if you wanted to export one of these dogs to a foreign country, you need to do alot of paperwork)
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Apart from that, you'll find breeders in the newspapers, etc. A puppy costs around 500$. About none of those meet the pedigree standards and the controlling of the VDH. Those may be the family dogs, you are talking of.
In Europe, most money is made with:
1. Weapons
2. Drugs
3. Dogs
Espescially in eastern europe (Poland, Czech, Romania, etc..)alot of dogs are just bred to breed. They never see light and when they cannot give birth anymore, they get wasted.
Great job illuminating the bad human side of dog breeding. A GSD/Malinois cross is better off than a poorly bred, inbred pure GSD. It’s not all in the certifications or name; it’s got a lot to do with breeder irresponsibility, buyer irresponsibility, and owners giving inadequate mental/physical stimulation and training. This guy isn’t wrong but he could certainly clarify some things, as he did with his one edited sub-caption.
Thank you for the info
I thoroughly researched my dog and his lineage before I got him. His parents are both imported. Ma is East German tan/silver sable, 85 pounds big boned lady. Dad is Czech and is darker, has the wolf mask and 105 pounds. My dog was the darker puppy of the litter. He and his litter mates were enormous.
He is 75 pounds at 6 months. Lean, muscular and eager to work. I’m training him for personal protection. But you should see him with my HF Autistic son. This dog melts when he sees him. Without training as a youngster he would sleep at the foot of my bed facing the door. He is always looking out for us. His nature has won over my whole family. Even my dog hating Ma 😂 brings him toys, treats and gets down on his level to tell him “Nannie loves you”😂
However. He naturally is extremely protective since 4 months. He is distrustful of men. I think because im a female. When he sees one he stands diagonally in front of me and stiffen up, very alert. He will not move from this position until they are out of sight.
I picked up a show line from a woman who had to move from a bad living situation. I have two sons with ASD, and my WL GSD is alert as can be when anyone else is around them and my wife. He seems to have an issue with full beards (probably because I can't grow one) but never a nervous or timid reaction. Very confident and sometimes he has a little too much energy for my boys 🤣. I hope your buddy is around for you and your boy for a long time. 😀
Dog ain't gone do nun thing
Dude… what’s in that cup? You are really letting your opinions come out! I love it!
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I ended up with a German show line… great looking, deep red and tan… not a lot of drive which surprised me a bit, and he was a bit reactive, but we got over that with training. Great video!
I got one because I wanted a calmer dog, lol not what I got, she's like a malinios. Fine though, she's good motivation, got back into IGP, does herding, agility, obedience , awesome all around dog.
Any litter is going to have puppies with a range of diff personalities and temperaments. Some will be calm, some super active, some more curious, some more independent, etc.
I've had several GSD over the years. Most turned out to be highly adaptable after 2 years of age or so. Like... I'm sick and laying on the couch, they're happy to veg out with me all day. Have a party the next day? Down to party and have a good time. Never really had to worry about the high energy stuff as they matured. Had a few that weren't fixed and they never marked in the house either. Very adaptable and trainable dogs.
Appreciate the blunt and unfiltered honesty as always👍🏿👍🏿.
Family/pet line GSDs have totally won my heart. My 7yo male is an absolute angel, with just the right amount of energy and protective drive for a daily companion. I'm not tracking the issues you mentioned about pet line breeders, however. I inspected 3 breeders in my local area before pulling the trigger, all of which seemed to have fine stock and puppies. I ended up going with the most pet-oriented breeder with excellent results.
Great video, you're so right on point. As a gift I had gotten a beautiful male Show line GSD, who was a bundle of nerves and very insecure no matter the amount of training or sensory exposure. Years later I adopted a 3 yr old black Working Line male GSD who had 2 male owners prior to myself. He was on the verge of being put down due to his apparent aggression. I didn't think he would respect or bond with me as I am a soft spoken petite female who weighed about the same as he did. Turns out he was not aggressive but a very self confident, highly intelligent boy who wouldn't hesitate to put a human in it's place in order to protect. He loved kids. I got rid of the prong collar and little me was able to get this big boy to heel beside me perfectly. I used to run with him on trails and even when we confronted a bear, his confidence and self assurance was right there. No nerves, he always made me feel safe because he was so mentally stable and handled every situation like a "Boss". I will never forget him and will be forever grateful to have had the honour of being his person.
There was a huge difference between my Show Line and my Working Line to the point where they didn't seem like the same breed.
Thank you again for your honest and informative video!
How did you manage to handle him? I weight 55kg, an not very tall, so that's my biggest concern about getting a german shepherd.
Ma'am. I've seen your situation many times. You just happened to get a show line dog that was flawed and not a good representative animal of any lines. Being a professional breeder like in Germany, doesn't guarantee that every single dog is a good representation of the breed. Show or working lines. They both have the possibility of a bad puppy. That's why you should visit different breeders and the one that you like more than once. Learn how to evaluate a puppy especially for your purposes with them. I think that it's irresponsible for anyone in almost anything to take the action of one or two dogs and make that work you think that line does. Find somebody reputable, knowledgeable, and check on the dogs lineage and if the breeder breeds for healthy dogs or not. I have seen dogs from both German lines and have seen a dog here or there that has major problems. And the so-called American German shepherds you couldn't pay me to take one! There's absolutely no restrictions other than they have paper! So anybody who has a male and a female can just slap them together and sell the puppies for money! And probably 90% of The offspring are just terrible dogs. If you get a dog from Germany or responsibility in the states of German lines you will notice a difference right away! And also the public or the want to be owners aren't always educated and they believe whatever a breeder wants to tell them in order to sell them a puppy! So I hope that you and other people of his opinion and concern would recognize there are bad apples everywhere. You should really get involved to see which line you would best fit with and understand! I wish you and any other owner the best! If you get a proper German Shepherd there is nothing else like it!
I know this video is old, but I had to comment on choosing breeders who have working line dogs who sell them to families to be used as pets. This happened to my husband and I - we got a Dutch shepherd without really knowing enough about the breed and ended up needing to rehome him because of fear, aggression, and extreme reactivity. I own that we did not do enough research on the breed- in fact, after looking at TH-cam videos on this breed it was then that I realized we may have made a mistake. Looking back though, I wish the breeder would have been up front and honest with us that this breed does not make a great family pet- which was what we were clear about when we had spoken with them. Thankfully we were able to rehome our dog back to the breeder, but it would have saved us from a lot of heartache.
In Switzerland all german shepherds are REQUIRED to be titled in either IGP or Rescue work. Doesn‘t matter if show ir working line. German showlines here can work.
I wish that was the same for North America. It’s very rare to find a showline breeder that works their dogs aswell.
@@bricesicle mine does , working quickly toward our IGP 1
Best content out there for real proper information please keep producing this quality of stuff
This is a fantastic video. I've learned so much from you. In the future, when I send puppies home with their new families, I'll be telling them to watch your channel! Keep up the hard work and keep spittin those facts!
Awesome video.
It's so refreshing to a straight shooter. Thank you for the advice on evaluating pups.
Thanks for sharing! I respect your honesty.
i can't get enough of the straight forward language !
I have a white working line German Shepard and he is fantastic.
Even at 10 weeks old loud noises ,fireworks ,storms , machinery noise did not faze him at all.
Lots of energy, lots of drive and super calm in the house.
Very receptive to training and always follows commands.
He is a perfect example of what a GSD should be , and he’s white
He is an exception to the rule, and there's nothing wrong with that. This video didn't go into much detail about the white gsds, but as a matter of fact, people who owned white dogs started their own dog shows over fifty years ago, due to the fact that the AKC has never allowed white dogs to compete in show. So they started their own show circuit. White gsds are always directly related to these show dogs. There are not any working line GSDS who have white close up in their bloodlines. You would have to go back to the original first few dogs to find the white color in a gsd.( associated with working line dogs.) I should add that these are all American show line dogs.
@Makado14 the breeder I went to said to get white it has bad bloodlines? Not sure if that is true or not, but have now had a couple breeders tell me that? I liked the look of all white and pure black. They didn't have anything bad to say about pure black only pure white. Not sure how much truth there is to what they said
Thanks for posting! This was so interesting and informative! Always learn something new from your videos!
Love your videos and info. You guys are great. Keep up the good work and videos.
I need a King Chihuahua.
Great video and as always full of hard hitting facts from close observation and experience 👍
Wow the accuracy… this man knows his stuff. My dog is a working line sold as a family pet and he has all the anxiety and reactivity issues you say.
I started doing bite work / search work and he’s become so much more obedient.
He actually said it was the showline who usually has anxiety and dog reactivity issues, never mentioned this when speaking about the working line!
Cant agree more about the nerves deal. I bought a backyard scared puppy who I have successfully turned around significantly however there is a certain amount of unreasonable uncertainty that she may carry with her the rest of her life.
Most people will not have the time and resources to deal with this in a dog.
I'll 2nd that. I've had backyard dogs for years, but with 30 years of dog ownership experience (including 2 papered show-line GSDs) & basic vet skills, so I can spot a decent dog in a litter, I always like confidence and engagement to be shown because they will take to training easier and where I live is very busy so a nervous dog would just be a nightmare for us and with us having adhd too, it wouldn't work cos we have a burst of energy just like the dogs do (works well when they sync).
Great video, very informative. Thank you
I didn't even know I needed a King Chihuahua but now I do.
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I came to the comments for this info. thanks
"Might be a little much for you" LOL. Serious understatement.
If you don't listen to any of the truths this guy's speaking, then watch the dogs. How they each react to just sitting there confirm everything he says. Working line that's over it and wants to do stuff, generally chill show line that could do something or not, and the skittish pet/and or American show line. Excellent examples and great video.
Thank you so much sir!! I've learned a lot!
YESSS! FINALLY A VIDEO THAT WAS MUCH NEEDED FOR SOME PPL.
In Germany we devide in Langhaar and Stockhaar .
Owning a working line German Shepard I l last week went to a show competition last week. Not surprisingly me dog was on the last position for not walking elegantly enough.
Nevertheless I love the working line. This dog has a lot of power an intelligenz!
This guy is funny as all get-out! His delivery in describing the dogs and how breeders are breeding them, although spot-on, is very entertaining!
I love my working line. She is not just a beautiful black sable coloring but, she has great functional structure. She has always been great around humans and other animals of all ages. She can keep up with me when we need to go all day, yet she will also cuddle with me on the couch. I definitely found my perfect type of dog. Only working lines for me!
I had the opportunity to meet most of the siblings of my working line's litter. My dog just really stood out to me. I specifically told the breeder I DID NOT want one of the most dominant in the pack, but I wanted a confident dog. That's what stood out most the first time I encountered this pup. The breeder kept & trained the pups until 16 weeks old. I met my pup when the breeder was teaching loose leash walking shortly after shots. The pup was unflappable around other dogs, distractions, just very calm, no fear. I KNEW he was THE ONE. When I met the rest of the litter, my boy and to a slightly lesser extent one girl were the most social with me, most responsive to me on a short walk. My boy was jumping on me after the walk. His sire is not particularly affectionate but loves to work. His mother is a working Service Dog. My boy and I are super bonded, he's neutral to other people, but so affectionate with me. ❤ Dog.
Thanks for the valuable information, saves us a lot of time and money!!!!!
Thank yoooouuu and accurate description finally 👏
Great information as always.
This video is amazing. I now know more about German shepherds than most people now.
Thank you brother.
I have a mix of German/American bicolor that structurally looks closest to the third dog shown in this video but the breeder has a high standard and care for the dogs (health/temper/drive) that they produce/provide and I’ve never had a better GSD/dog in general in my life! She’s lazy when we want her to be but when it’s time to get up and go she’s ready. She has zero quirks, problems, behavioral issues and I couldn’t have been more blessed I trained her basics because she’s smart and I dread the days she won’t be with us anymore. Good thing I got her from a breeder who consistently breeds puppies that grow into the best dogs and every family that has gotten one from her has confirmed with hundreds and hundreds of reviews and testimony 20+ years of experience and third generation family business and breeding.
Nice explanation ..thanks you for sharing this 🙌
I'd like to add my WG showline is great at IGP , high drive, high energy to boot, is great with other dogs and people and other animals. I know she's the exception not the rule but love her so much. I joke she identifies as a malinios.
She has good German show line breeding. All GSDS go back to the original west german working lines. The better bred German show line dogs, still retain many of the qualities of a working line dog.
As a gsd owner and worshipper, PLEASE don't ever compare her to a Malinois!!! 😁
Spot on. Excellent review
I personally choose the one that can work, mentally sound, correct conformation with no health issue. This is what GSD originally bred for.
Only but is you can't go to the dog park. It's fun to see your dog run around with other dogs. And you chat a bit with the other owners or not. I don't want a dog I can't introduce to dogs or kids.
What?
A working gsd should have strong nerves and be far more stable and social than those other things.
@@freddyfox5002 No serious trainer would ever recommend taking your dog to a dog park.
@@freddyfox5002 my dog is doing well with my kids with other kids and strangers not very friendly. I trained my dog as our family protection dog not the type of dog that anybody can pet except me and my family members If you like a dog that is friendly to stranger and enjoy running around with other dogs in the park while you can enjoy talking to the other dogs' owner then you better get golden retriever or Labrador. Each breed was bred for specific different purpose.
@@freddyfox5002 you want an accessory you can use as an excuse for socializing?
Wonderful video!
I love your content bro. I’m a dog lover in Jamaica and I’m learning a lot from this channel. I hope to own a cane corso from a working line soon.
Reason for your name. Determined to impress with your badness
This is a great video Thank you
Great video with great information. My preference is show line (less hyper, very pretty). I did my homework and got a West German Showline from a reputable breeder that breeds for workability in their dogs. Parents were tested for hips, elbows, DM, and have great temperaments. So far, my pup has a very stable friendly temperament, obedient, no fear issues, food and toy drive (great for training). Should make a great service dog.
Same here
Same!
Agreed im waiting for my west German showline, people want WORKING LINE just because it's COOL. Its Like.. "Wow you have working line GSD 😮😮 you must be very strong person" Lol... Or for protection "watch my working line GSD bite you..😂😂" like really? People should consider working line if they live in apartement or small house with small backyard and working 9 to 5.
@@camelred9118
Ridiculous!
German Shepherd is a working dog!
Show dogs and show breeders have weaken the genetic code of the breed.
It is not the dog it used to be!
Congratulations show people😖
FINALLY! I TH-cam video on GSD’s that’s not complete BS. Fantastic job my good sir!
Very informative and right to the point. Thanks
You are completely right about nervy - this is no.1 issue. Temperament has been the most important feature of decent GSD Breeders even back in the 70’s in UK. I have two rehomes- love ‘me, but they have been such hard work - the reality is a lot of time, money and effort.
Great video man very useful thank you!
Thanks for the info.
Out of all the videos I've viewed, YOU make the most sense on the different Lines of German Shepherd Dogs. I like the fact that you broke it down to only Thee categories, make a lot of sense. I'm not ready to purchase my dog just yet, though I've narrowed down to the German Shepherd Dog Breed, and favoring The Working Line, still have a lot more research to do. thanks for this informational videos...
Excellent explanation! Anyone considering becoming a first time GSD owner should definitely watch this. There are so many misconceptions in the general public regarding GSD'S and so little understanding - some people just want a German Shepherd- they don't consider temperament and training. Thank you again for being willing to share your knowledge and experience!
Temperament is mostly depending on training + exercise. Then again, training + exercise can’t fix inbreeding. GSD owners need to keep in mind that it’s mainly their actions + their bond with the dog that influences temperament and well being.
You really lay it out w/o being bias or crapping on the other lines. Great video for those wondering! My family used to trail working confirmation dogs. I just picked one up from a breeder in TX. Father was IPO 3 and Mother was IPO2 Great looking dogs, that also have drive and work! Family dog for us, but I do love the hard core working lines.
Very good . Well explained
Thank you. This really helps me. I believe that my heart dog, who was a rescue, was from German show lines or at least a mix, but heavily German show lines. He was found wandering around Las Vegas. He has a great temperament. He passed from cancer and I have wanted to get one like him, but didn’t know where to start not having his pedigree.
Sable is my personal favorite coloring
8:30 when the third dog takes a dump right on camera😂😂😂☠️
Great video !
My sister has a chihuahua that is super skittish and darts around like a dog that was "beat". He never was, that's just how he is. I have his sister though and she's supper confident unless she comes across a large farm animal. She's not around them usually so she's unsure of them. Also she's 6 lbs and people ask me all the time if she's a "teacup" chihuahua. I usually just tell them that it's a term coined by byb and that the ideal weight for a chihuahua based on breed standards is between 2 and 6 lbs. They can be bigger as long they are proportionate but "teacup" chihuahuas aren't real. It's a way for a byb to get top dollar for a pup that is going to be the correct weight but usually has some form of deformity or defect that should drop the price significantly but doesn't.
My GSD can just go all day if I let him. Him and his brother.
It's insane the amount of difference where you have working lines vs. show lines in the same area, doing the same thing, and see which one doesn't want to continue to do things.
Finally Someone knows what he’s talking about. Well put bro. Working line all the way I have two that i only gave basic training great family dog. Super smart, fearless confident breed
Yes. People reading your comment gotta remember human actions are just as important to the confidence of a dog as breeding. Any dog, no matter how well-bred, will be anxious without proper physical and mental stimulation. Kudos to you to providing your working-line GSDs the stimulation they need. Nobody, I repeat NOBODY, should get a working dog without being able to provide training/work/stimulation. Thanks for drilling home this point for these great dogs.
@@Jet_Threat Thanks so much. I’m no trainer have lots of love and respect for this breed.
after 2 first sentences i knew im gonna like this video... good information
An eye opener for sure. The dog that got me sold on the breed was a hybrid. He had few of the good qualities you mentioned but we loved him until his 15th year (hybrid vigor so it's said). Such an intelligent breed always willing to learn. Looking forward to my next experience.
I wish I could like this video more than once!
my brother has the pet line german Shepard and this video was very helpful because I wondered why she acted so nervous and fearful, and she's only 1 years old. I also wondered why her frame was so petite.
Very informative! Thank you. And you are 100% right about genetics. My first GSD (WGSL Coatie) was by an FCI world winner who even impressed German WL-fan surveyors with his structure, and temperament yes, but also his drive. She was versatile, confident, and needed a lot to keep her occupied. My current Coatie WGSL is a male whose father actually had decent drive, but he takes after his maternal line- He’s a big softie who bites a jute like an ear of corn, startles at frogs, but has a GREAT nose, focus, and drive for scent work and is so calm and lovely to be around as a pet and companion. Dog reactivity DID come as he matured, but with stronger handling he is getting over that. He sounds vicious when someone approaches my door, and for my purposes that’s fine 😂. I adored my strong female, but I was much younger & more active, and now, my sweet, beautiful albeit dumb August vom Haus Juris “Auggie” is perfect for my lifestyle.
My girl is named August, too! Working line czech and west german showline
Spot on from a German shepherd owner for over 30 years
Working line only. Thank you
I agree with you on the facts about the American showline, some professional breeder have said that the american showlines were genetically altered to have this hind angulation.
I have working lines VEOs whos dad was active LE. Their line was smuggled out of russia. He wouldnt back down against a Trex and is very large compared to most shepherds. He was heaven sent and i knew his name before i got him. Best companion ever.
The “White Swiss Shepherd” it’s foundation stock was white German Shepherd. Some people think they mixed some stuff into them, but they’re generally just a friendlier German Shepherd with slightly better nerves than family lines.
Thank you I wish I seen this video before getting my gsd
Great video
My GS has an Argentinian sire, Russian dam, both have allegedly great pedigrees, my pup is a handful at 10 weeks, he just stood his ground with a gigantic wolf dog, made me laugh out loud, just planted his sturdy little legs and barked in that giant boy’s face, no fear at all....the father seemed like a very nice dog, the mom had some grit to her. Can’t wait to see how he turns out..I’m in training already with him, both me and at a local place to me..
Your videos are a breath of fresh air. Getting my 7th GSD end of this month - working lines for sure. So much nonsense out there for novice owners and bad breeders. Good job on breaking it down. I'm new to your videos. I won't be breeding but I also won't spay/neuter until growth plates are well established - minimum 2 years. Do you have a video on that? There is a ridiculous push to do this before maturity in the US. Most boarding kennels want it done before they will board here and the vets push it too.
definitely smart!! always best to wait until 2 years old for s/n
This video made me nostalgic. I had a male working line from a police dog breeder ( I'm not a police officer though ) that looked exactly like yours, except for the head and ears, that were much darker. I can only confirm what you say about them, I had mine doing dog-agility and I'd take long walks every day where I included playing / searching for a ball, a stick, or simply running back and forth, which he found to be fun I think. Never had an issue with biting or other nervous behavior. Just a great dog and a friend, who's deeply missed now.
Awesome videos ! Crusher dogs ❤
Here in EU we divide GSD into beauty and working line. I have had both. And from my experience, their character, courage, defensiveness were the same. Even the energy level was the same. The biggest difference was the health levels. Even with all the pedigree certificates, the beauty line ones always ended up with some kind of health sensitivity. Anyway, GSD are my favourite dogs ever! Edited to add we always had dogs in our farm. Meaning, kind of companion/defense dogs. I have no clue how to have a GSD in a small city apartment :D
A heart of a chicken I love that! In the old days in the UK we had some very good West German working lines imported for work sadly they have all gone.
We have had German Shepherds for over 40 years. Here in Sweden, dogs are really expensive. Which is good. An expensive dog is well taken care of, not let out on the street because the owner got tired of it.
The last one we bought cost 25,000 Swedish krona = 3,065.80 Canadian dollars. He is almost all black, square working dog. He is trained in protection, tracks and of course obedience, otherwise other training will not work.😁
Thanks!
Great video and information of about 7 minutes
You are excellent
You nailed it on the mix of Show and Working or it could be Pet and Working or a combination of the 3. Got an 18 mo old rescue GSD 2 months ago. I’m her 4th owner and lucky for her, she was at a good GSD rescue..for a long time. She’s a Panda with papers that appears to be German stud lines and American whatever lines in the Panda bitch 🤔 My girl knew nothing when I got her, not even fully housebroken. Definitely unusual looking but she had a curious, cautionary and nice disposition and she wasn’t reactive when we brought out our young Pitbull so I brought her home. She learned how to play ball the first week when she saw one of our other dogs do it, she was pretty easy to housebreak and she’s is a fairly quick learner of French Ring and English commands, she’s not consistent yet but getting there. She learned how to play tug this week and dragged me all around the yard..omg..what DRIVE! My husband and I take turns playing ball and she is nearly impossible to tire out for more than half an hour, we LOVE IT. We’re retired (old..lol) and she is a joy to play with. She’d never been socialized so I put her in beginner obedience…ohhh…those first few weeks were painful as she exhibited zero food drive and mentally shut down. Sigh..I was worried, BUT this past week she was acting like a much more secure dog 😮and remembered commands for the first half anyway and did take some food. So I disagree when you say lack of socialization doesn’t play a role, it does. She is a mix of all 3 of your dogs in this video, it’s amazing to see this. I will eventually know what percentage of her fear is hereditary and how much is lack of socialization and I will let you know..lol. I’m working in my class with a long time breeder of working lines who gently said I may be disappointed that I don’t have the dog I’d like to have for ring work. Heck, I’m an old lady who’s never done it before, it will be a freaking miracle if we both are even allowed to enter a beginner class 🤣🤣 the point of my long comment is to say, I appreciate how you are educating the public on breeding the best, it’s important for all dogs and other animals, I also like how you break down the differences so we can ultimately work with what we have when we rescue a poorly bred but deserving GSD and make that dog the best he or she can be. Can’t speak for anyone else but my rescue GSD girl is worth it!
Working line all the way 💪🏼
The show line doesn't even have much of a roach back. It looks good enough. I saw some showline which literally looks like a frog and can't even walk properly.
Yea some of them aren’t like that.
I actually watched the whole video! Straight talk, even though the "pet line" was a new one. Also the pet line dog on the right does really not look like a typical show winner American show line GSD.
Anyways, we have had a Belgian tervueren, two German show line and one Swiss white shepherd previously (plus a bunch of others, and a dozen cats), but the working line (mostly West German lineage) female puppy, now 13 months, is on another level. She is lightning fast, sharp, driven ball of energy, but also obedient and sweet around small children. We got her from one of the most respected working line breeders with 7 generation breeding history and the highest percentage of healthy hips and shoulders of any breeder here. Only females are sold to families, males go to government work, and buyers are throughly vetted out, 3 puppies were available and 14 families were in line to buy them. We had to visit the breeder and interact with their quite intimidating male dogs to see how we handle grown up work line dogs and how they react to us. We passed!
We now do basic obedience training with her, along with search and rescue, tracking and earthquake rescue. If she passes the required exams she will have two litters with the breeder's choice of sire. She is The Dog.
Well said, presentation may be difficult to accept, however, very honest.
This was very helpful. I've raised and trained labrador Retrievers all my life. Looking now for a German Shepard for myself. Working dog is what I want. Recently retired and moving to the mountains and like to have a great buddy with some brains. With labs...they are su h great companions. Always will have one till I leave this life. Trained them in obedience and hunt test. CKC AHK.HRC.
labs dont' have brains?
Love it!! Great great great vice!
I especially like your comments about the European lines. I am well aware of the AKC Show lines.
I am curious what your thoughts on the white German Shepherds? I have seen a couple of them, but am wondering if those fall under the pet lines.
Thank you for such an informative video! I have a pet german shepherd mix that I rescued that I love very much. But my dream is to get a solid black working line one day so I am learning about them as much as possible now and preparing with as much training of my dogs now. Love all your videos!
I have a solid black working line & he’s absolutely amazing. Everything I wanted
Can you recommend any reputable breeders in the states? I live in NYC. I assume you know breeders from all over